ONEWHEEL KILLER?! (or just another Chinese clone?) 

It's rumored that when FM sued, Floatwheel offered to let them have one as an apology.

I love Jeff’s whole vibe on this because it makes it very clear what he cares most about is the sport/community. He doesn’t act threatened (even when they are copying his stuff) and doesn’t sling grief their way. He is excited and hopeful AND humble about not knowing what he doesn’t know. This comes from someone who knows that talk is talk until you ride and put the talk through the gauntlet. I just have a lot of respect for him he didn’t take this opportunity to bash people. It’s like he’s so not full of himself and fearful of change that he sees opportunity, it’s in his eyes and facial reactions! Innovation, even if a bit shady, will keep pushing things to be better for everyone (and it’s your choice what personal risks you take to use any innovative product just FYI). Thanks Jeff!

I want Onewheel to be scared, I want them to compete and I want them to do/be better because of it. I personally hope this chinese brand has ''some'' success to light a fire under finalmotion

Not gonna trade my GT in for one but I love the competition for FM! It pushes innovation.

24:27 I think no matter what they release, it's good for the float community because competition leads to innovation. Innovation leads to better boards and an incentive to make them more affordable.

This is the kind of progression I was hoping to see when I learned about the VESC a few months back. Hopefully this company manages to pull it off!

I'm an electronic product designer and love their motor design. Exactly what I would have done. 👍 Likewise, the smaller stacked controller and split battery is what I would have done. Their price point is excellent, assuming it is reliable and battery has quality cells not china cheap garbage cells. All in all it is a F.M killer, I think the mad king will be reaching for his fiddle right about now... The only thing that bothers me at this point it REALLY looks like vapourware, there are no real photos of the hardware only CGI, so it could likely be that they want to get enough pre-order cash first, BEFORE they actually start making any parts. Personally I would not be giving them a cent until i see video of a real controller, real rails, and ESPECIALLY a real motor. Until then, consider this to be something like a dodgy kickstarter, and dont send any money until they have lots of real stuff to show. Dont be the sucker who pays them the money so MAYBE they get enough of your money to EVENTUALLY start making something... 🤔

Jeff must know some things about the drone industry lol, he hit the nail on the head with the split controller. In the drone industry about 4 years ago they started making flight controllers that stacked on top of the 4in1 esc with a pushpin design similar to this, but the problem with that was after a few crashes the solder holding the pins would crack and the esc would stop communicating with the flight controller. The motor is an amazing design, but that controller will be a problem eventually IMO.

6061 Aluminum has about 30% better heat conductivity than 7075. A good choice for rails that are already plenty strong due to a taller geometry.

19:53 FM and FW should add a key fob to activate and deactivate their board. I have one on my CBXR and it is great! Not only for anti-theft, but in the event of ghosting, one could turn off their board remotely with a keyfob. It isn't too much to ask and it should really be standard on devices this expensive.

Thank you #thefloatlife for being the voice the Onewheel community needs! You guys are my trusted source of fair and balanced Onewheel info!

So hyped for this!! FM needs competition to force them to work on making better products instead of innovating ways to brick a Onewheel if you try to improve it yourself. I'm an EUC rider now and I've been waiting for Chinese companies to make a much better floatwheel. The progression in EUC's is crazy fast and they know how to make these things. Should be awesome, but first riders be careful! Having to buy with crypo$ sucks. FM's practices still screwing everyone

#Floatwheel will have another video dropping soon to discuss the Floatwheel adv weight. Tony said 16.2-16.5 kg (or 35.7-36.4 lbs). Check it out 😉

Super hyped about this, and honestly that price is a steal. I'll stick to my GT for now, super excited to see the reviews of this new board though. We've needed competition for a long time, maybe this is the start of a new season for the sport.

Wicked. Looks like 2023 is going to be a very interesting year. Cheers Jeff!

I'll buy one. I've got about 3600 miles on my XR and was looking to upgrade to a GT.

The competition is great!! This will make Future Motion try harder =D

Thanks for the reaction video. While I am excited about the possibility of competition, it does suck that Tech-Rails and TFL are having IP infringed upon. Love your take. Very thorough and analytical. I also love that your take is always very fair to all parties and considers all opinions. That's why we love you and your company. Float on! 🤙

4:54 higher voltage means lower current and lower temperatures. More thermal mass means slower changes in temperature. Looks good so far! ☮️❤️🌈

Definitely stoked on the cold weather rating, one thing that stood out to me for sure!

Dunno about you guys but i was kinda jaw dropping for me to hear them directly cite their competitors boards. You really done see that in US marketing, usually just the “better than the competition” stuff. Cool that they are letting us know right away that they are here to compete with Future Motion!

There's certainly a separate conversation to be had about ripping off IP, however I (and I assume many others) am breathing a huge sigh of relief that there is at lest *something* else for riders to consider, other than FM boards. An alternative manufacturer is something we riders have needed for a long time, and despite its flaws, I am super glad to see Floatwheel bring a complete product to the table. This is good for the sport!

Your commentary is why there’s still hope that this world will be a better place in the future. Appreciate

I love seeing competition for FM. They need it!

To be completely honest: I love Onewheel, I love their products, I love my Pint that has been a loyal companion for almost 2.000 miles with no issue whatsoever. But, given the pricing of current OW products, given how they are behaving with the whole in-house-only repair policy on the GT and many other little things I really didn't like from them, I'd say that a bit of competition would do nothing other than benefit us as consumers. They played alone for long enough, now they really need 1 or 2 serious competitor to put them back in line. If what's in that video is at least partially true, at that price tag, it may be the start for the first one.

Thanks for this video Jeff! I'm cautiously excited, will wait to see how it does in February. Also I'm curious to know how the software is, I know they said VESC, but I'm hoping they've made a simplified App for the phone with a few sliders, etc.

So much euc like designs in this. Pretty excited!

Great video, and I admire presenting all sides in an unbiased manner. In my opinion, competition is one thing, but outright cloning of others' creations is not competition but rather theft.

Great video Jeff! I’m surprised you weren’t more excited about the spit battery pack. I know you like to ride the stunt pack to get a more balanced board for tricks. I find that a heavier back end makes my front foot tires on long rides too. Float on🤙🏼

onewheel was built from a garage fitting pieces already available while the Floatwheel was completely CAD designs from the ground up that's the difference here. The controller will be programmable as well just like droid os.

At 16:10 it shows that the footpad is going to be a two zone sensor when activating the light bar as well as I'm fairly sure that the OG Tech Rails u pictured next to the adv pro are also 6061 aluminum. But the switchblades are 7075. I'm about 80% sure of that. And I have an 84v vesc and I've hit 32 before pushback. Vesc bms options- ennoid, zbms, trampa. Plenty of open source bms options for vesc.

Those are really good prices if you want to get into a vesc build. Which for me is the most tempting part.

Great review of the vid Jeff. I very skeptical about this board and it's build but looking forward to seeing what it's is all about.

Really good presentation of the facts. Thanks!

Floatwheel said in the comments on their video the board and motor ship from separate companies for legal reasons. '4 screws a motor plug'

I believe it’s a two zone sensor, because when they’re showing off the lights, you can see the two sides turning blue like GT and Pint for the two sensors

The one thing we're forgetting here is that this company exists in the EUC capital of there world. All the potential electronics experience for collaboration is two doors down. No coincidence the board is stacked as all the new EUC's have stacked boards. I wouldn't worry to much about the BMS. If it's anything like the EUC manufactures they love feedback from the community to make adjustments for firmware updates. If this starts out half as good it will either end FM or FM will change. Personally I wouldnt be upset if it ends them. They've done some shady stuff that hurts us. The customer. Customer is #1. Though Chinese quality can be questionable they seem to listen, understand and provide what their customers want.

great video by a legendary rider pushing the limits of the sport. Kudos

Onewheels seem interesting, but I am not a fan of FutureMotion, their customer service, and stance on right to repair. Hopefully someone can challenge the patent and make some progress. It's unfortunate FutureMotion has to take the tyrannical silicon valley route of customer relations where they just do what they want, throw away your custom tires and mods when you send in a device for repairs, etc. Its a really unfortunate situation where its like yeah the device is great the sport looks amazing but when one company is gatekeeping the whole thing I unfortunately won't be getting involved.

It’s ALMOST like this company listened to everyone’s complaints of FM, complaints of XR, PintX, GT and took all the ideals from third party companies and slapped together a product that will compete with onewheel.

Hey ! Are you planning to do an update video with the recents tests runs ? I don't trust FM anymore and it seems like the best option to go vesc for the price rn.

Super Interested in seeing the durability of these things

so hyped for float wheel. some great ideas. hope it works as well as it sounds.

This is the best thing that could happen. It will force FM to continue to get creative with new designs to compete with other designers like this company. That’s how cars came so far , having to stay on top with just bringing the onewheel higher on the food chain. (Hopefully).

Jeff is so chilled, this is the video that got me to subscribe to Float Life.

The thing looks pretty wild! Definitely interesting.

The higher voltage is only a good thing, higher voltage means less current for the same wattage, thus less heat for the system plus many other benefits

Hype for y'all to get one and test it out and see what the deal is , hopefully y'all get someone who will top this thing out , motorcycle gear might not be overkill with this thing guys ..... curious what the top speed is with 6hp being the claim ,

You can't stop progress, all competition is good.

This is the reply I got from floatwheel - "the ghosting sensitibity is a variable that can be tuned in the VESC firmware, basically you can define how much longer do you want the motor to stay engaged after you dismount the sensor, that will help your air time with the board."

Pretty cool they are coming out with it. I will say, horsepower does not equate directly to speed like that. Having more HP at a lower speed is a good thing. Consider you have things like a much larger axle and torch to take into account when converting HP to MPH.

That motor locks amazing!!😁

this actually seems pretty dope, i mean their first models are both already more range than GT. i'll have to see if they hold up before i buy one though

Price point is good. I have a GT so I’ll wait for reviews. If it’s that much better, I could see myself getting one.

It's certainly interesting to see a (near) direct competitor hit the market. I've some concerns with some of the claims and also how well the VESC based system will be, along with how upgradable it will be, considering how disconnected they seem to be from the VESC community (by all accounts I've heard so far, if I'm wrong, correct me, please). I think that VESC alone would force FM to take steps to up their game with the app and digital shaping, and allowing more advanced custom shaping, but having a direct competitor that is fully repairable across the board, indeed you can buy each part ala carte, which is amazing. I'm still looking for a flat footpad for the front only for the GT... I don't want to buy a complete set. Regardless, I'll be taking a wait and see approach for this one. If they do come out and are even close to as awesome as they are claiming, well, then I'll be getting one for a pure trail board (after allowing VESC to get more refined in the intervening months). I've already been eyeballing VESC as something to do with my Growler, because reasons. In the meantime, I'll be like The Dude, and abiding.

Stacked boards like that have been commone practice in fpv racing/freestyle drones. Its super durable there so i dont see why it would be a problem

Almost all EUCs are made in China and EUC riders have full confidence in their machines pelting down the road at 40 mph. I can easily see a Chinese company being able to combine their know how in building EUCs into the form factor of a onewheel. Eager to see one of these in action

Will wait for tests... hope it can eventually replace my XR. GT with all the limitations is not for me.

This was fascinating. I've beat the hell out of my pint since I got it 5 months and 600 miles ago. I'm honestly shocked at how durable these things are. I'm sure that took years of trial and error. This ADV board is claiming a TON. And if it sounds too good to be true... Jeff, buddy, I'm counting on you to get one of these and put it through it's paces.

Seems like their deposit method will hold back early adopters for sure. If it is successful, it will be great to see progress made towards competition.

The stacked controller is cool. I agree that I to am curious how it will hold up. They could prob mount each board to each side of the case, and by putting the lid into the controller box is how they actually sandwich together and connect via that plug. That would in theory make it more stable, but time/ YT reviews will tell

Can FM actually do anything to Floatwheel given that they are in China? I used to work at Boa (the lace system) and we had trouble bringing IP violation actions against the copycat companies that operated out of China. I believe the reason was that China just doesn't care to do anything about foreign IP violations.

This looks amazing

My only gripe with the one onewheel is the the fact that it is under powered and over priced this seems to solve the power issue and the price issue looking solid

I'm gonna nickname adv, Devastator because of all the different Onewheel products floatwheel ripped off from the community are like the constructicons coming together. 😄

These wheels are gonna have a two section sensor but you can always make it posi through the vesc app

I’d buy one if it turns out like EUC quality where they’re constantly innovating and offering quality upgrades and such. Def won’t be ordering till a ton of people have successfully received one though 😅

Hopefully, it is a good product. Competition is excellent for customers!

Great vid ... Thank you for your thoughts.

On the motor and top speed thing, it's important to note that the motor they are showing is much larger than the Future Motion motor. They also state it has significantly stronger magnetic flux. this means that the motor is a much lower kv rating than the future motion hypercore. Which means that at a given voltage, this motor would actually free spin slower than the future motion motor. However, it would make significantly more torque at a much lower current. The increased voltage of the battery then raises the free spin speed of the motor again so it can be faster than the hyper core. But just because it's a higher voltage and larger motor doesn't mean it can go faster. It should have WAY more torque though. Honestly, if their claims are true I would be way more excited about a motor with similar top speed to the GT but could mob up hills like an EUC.

These sound great on paper... VESC based, 6" go kart compatibility, more power, etc. I'd want to see opinions 3+ months after people get their hands on them and what sort of issues there may be. I've had a Pint X as my first PEV since November 2021 or so. I have an itch to get something else, but unsure about a GT. Lack of real right to repair from FM is a major downer. I know you can throw a VESC based controller in the GT, but something that has it from the start is more appealing. Especially if you can get something with an Enduro already mounted. I did put a Burris treaded tire on my Pint X and it was too bad, but not a huge fan of voiding the warranty on a new board either.

If Floatwheels are at least 80% as reliable the only way future motion can compete is to sell all their parts directly and come up with better designs.

Well VXwheel 3 had 1/5 of the battery in front before them still fitting Lfoc3, but that's not the point. I wanted to say that the split pack system works as good as one rear pack performance wise if done properly. Next thing is a bit more equaly distributed weight. Still way heavier tail, but with that many cells it's only a good thing to distribute a small part in front. I like my board beign a bit less tail heavy. If that's all user and service friendly, that's another story but again IF done properly I see no disadvantage. There is a lot of technical questions getting in my mind after the promo video, but it's just too soon to comment much more before we see how good they did their job. For sure this is a big potential for people wanting to experience the freedom of VESC without needing all the DIY skills. Maybe even a lot more.

Honestly regardless of whether they succeed I'm glad FM has actual competition now. Hopefully it will motivate them to improve their product and make it better

The main thing I hope they did which FM ignored is the torque issue causing that magnetic “slippage” that had been a danger and caused a lot of accidents but easy for FM to dismiss

Haven't finished this video yet so idk the outcome but I would love a true alternative that didn't gatekeep the community. Love my XR but hate future motion. For the price this thing should be 100% waterproof. They should up their game or drop the patent that lasts till 2035 the fuckk.

Excellent unbias review Jeff!

Maybe they do the same thing with a bigger motor as in the ESK8 community. We build boards with 3000W motors but only push 1000W through them so the motor does not overheat as easily as its not continually run at max power. Really hoping to see a fight in this FM monopol world. interested to drive a onewheel one day

@TheFloatLife did you pre order one/can we expect a breakdown video in February?

That's the soft compound Vega which is a lot better than the stock MBM Vega for what it's worth.

Nah, keen to get my own VESC build done with OG wtf's - also pumped to see what you guys think of a 20s 18650 pack in your VESC board 😈

FloatWheel may have just created a pavement cruiser that lacks suspension. Although it would be nice to see the performance on trails. As long as FW sells the entire board in parts, and not as an entire board, are they infringing on patents? Minus the rails perhaps.

FM doesn't appear to have really invented the one wheel concept as most can clearly see from this 15 year old video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HGbbag9dklU.html where someone else did it first successfully. So to me it seems that FM just wants to prevent competition through expensive litigation; therefore, it makes sense for Floatwheel to avoid this conflict until they are ready. In the meantime, I hope the community at large benefits from their efforts to improve on the "balancing scooter/skateboard" as the original innovator called it.

you got a linus tech tips mouse pad too? Love mine 🤣

I'm a bit worried about durability the way the bms is wired with a ribbon cable and the stacked pcb VESC, split battery pack might be iffy too. In quadcopters hard stacked boards with header pins and ribbon cables have been tried and sucked for durability.

I'll ignore the knock off rails and other things, but got some concern: - For power dissipation, voltage is not an issue. It's actually a benefit, the higher the voltage, the lesser the current for a same power demand (P=UxI). The problem is the current, and contrary to the formula before, heat generation is following the square of the current (P=RI²). So we will see in hot weather like California if their design is actually flawless on this side. Higher voltage level could be an issue for the motor insulation, but I assume they took that into consideration. - Using the stator as a heatsink, I'm not sure man. This means that hot air is going to circulate between the hub and the motor, which will result in tire pressure increase. It's already the case due to the friction of the tire on the road for example. So friction + hub heatsink ? I don't know. - I assume FM thought about splitting the battery. We all remember what a mobile object does to the controller box (ferrite ring). How are those cells held in the controller compartment ? Is it that sturdy that it can take multiple drops on the concrete if you practice noseslides or something else ? Is it also really worth it ? - They mention that the rear battery pack cells are closer to each other, which is a freakin red flag when it comes to heat dissipation of the battery pack. - I think the stator comparison is deceiving on purpose. 10mm more in height should not be that big of a difference, but the image says otherwise. On top of it, they have an axle which is, in this case, way bigger. So the increase size of the stator, is it for flux, or bigger axle ? All in all, seems too good to be true. I need a TFL stamp on that one, otherwise that's a nogo for me.

Seven months later, and looks like floatwheel will take Onewheel out of business😂 - if they will keep doing assholes moves …, I do appreciate the changes they do… but I think they have such a long way to go and now that the floatwheel is out they’re pretty much fu***d 😅 . Thank God, we have the opportunity in this world to see what an actual company that just want the people to have fun and REAL freedom looks like .. the ironic thing is the company that was build in the “Free country is not so Free” and the one in china is 💯 “free” and when you buy it actually yours 🎉.

They mentioned you guys they said there was 3 tire options for the gt

Is TFL going to order one for testing?

hopefully jake makes a video so that they make some adjustments to our preorders. hopefully the adv pro rails fit on my old GT's i need a lift kit since been

I tape the indicator lights off my GT also!! 😂 Those are waaay too bright at night.

Not the two weeks joke right off the rip 🤣

As long as Future Motion continues to be "Apple" I will never buy a newer system. I have a real job and not time to play "shipping" for a repair. Right to repair is a major issue to me. I pray these guys are massively successful. Future Motion can make their money on parts like car companies to. They are going too far, too controlling

I'm excited for the idea of Floatwheel, but please go to their website and look at the pictures of the PCBs under their parts list. The solder work is appalling. The capacitors on the BMS look like they were done by a toddler. Scary for something so important to safe functioning of the board.

Onewheel is awesome but the top speed is so frustrating and is my biggest complaint. I get pushback on my XR at about 16mph, I have no doubt it would nose drop if I pushed passed that for too long. I'd say if they put it to vote most riders would want the option to go much faster at least to eliminate the nose-dive risk. If there was any competition that made a faster version of the onewheel id sell XR in a heartbeat and buy it.

I just emailed Floatwheel about the weight and a possible carry sling. I'll report back. I'm super curious. Dude, great video.

I hope kv of motor is more trail and climbing power! Going to go over 20 mph get a surron.

What you can mod the onewheel?

Regardless of the opinions, competition breeds innovation and innovation breeds happy consumers.

I always sort of assumed the cells were in the back because the batteries are heavier than the controller and you want the board to tip backward when you dismount...