I'm suspecting Lawrie is out for "passing" the lead runner. If lead runner is running backwards the trailing runner needs to go backwards too, because if he ever goes past the lead runner he will be out for passing. My best guess is Reyes diving back into 3rd and over shooting made the ump call Lawrie for passing and then Reyes got tagged after for the second out.
@BallparkProduct I found the rule that applied in this scenario, I believe. Because Reyes dove to and beyond 3rd base, that action got Lawrie out for "passing" Reyes and then Reyes was tagged out. From the MLB rulebook page 47: Rule 5.09(b)(9) Comment: A runner may be deemed to have passed a preceding (i.e., lead) runner based on his actions or the actions of a preceding runner. PLAY-Runners on second base and third base with one out. The runner from third base (i.e., the lead runner) makes an advance toward home and is caught in a rundown between third base and home plate. Believing the lead runner will be tagged out, the runner at second base (i.e., the trailing runner) advances to third base. Before being tagged, the lead runner runs back to and beyond third base toward left field. At this time, the trailing runner has passed the lead runner as a result of the lead runner’s actions. As a result, the trailing runner is out and third base is unoccupied. The lead runner is entitled to third base if he returns to touch it before he is out, see Rule 5.06(a)(1), unless he is declared out for abandoning the bases.
@@Zerothas I am aware of that rule and that rather odd interpretation in the caseplay (which I believe was originally in the MLBUM). I get the logic, the trailing runner is closer to home than the lead runner.... but the lead runner is still further from 2nd base than the trailing runner. To interpret this as a runners passing situation is to me absurd. I would instead interpret this as the lead runner, having run past 3B, is out for abandonment and the trailing runner is safe at 3B. However the MLB rules committee never thinks to ask me what I think before they publish an interpretation. That all said however, I do not believe the action in this video can fit the runner passing rule or interpretation you cite. First, the lead runner never went past 3B up the line, he was always on the home-plate side of 3B by rule (there's a diagram in the MLBUM of what constitutes being on one side of the bag or the other, for 3rd base it's a diagonal line from the corner point towards 1st base through the opposite corner), while the trailing runner was always on the 2nd base side of 3B. Second, the umpire made no signal indicating a passing violation.
@@davej3781I don't see how he could be out for passing either. He rolled to the foul side of third. He didn't go past third. I don't think it matters who is closer to home or on what side of the base they are on. I can't find anything in the rules about this though. However, this is in the Wendelstedt Umpires Manual... "If two runners are ever touching the same base, they occupy the same position and cannot be called out for passing."
The base always 'belongs' to the lead runner, in this case Reyes. So for Laurie, unless Reyes gets out or reaches home, he cannot assume the bag. Therefore, when the Yankees tag Laurie, it's as if he isn't even standung on a bag. Then, since Reyes is not on any bag, he is also out on the tag. If the Yanks had tagged Reyes first, then Laurie would be able to assume the bag, and if he was tagged he would be safe, since it's now his bag.
I don't think that right. Since Reyeshad passed 3rd and hasn't returned (not touched yet), Lawrie is safe because Reyes is still considered between 3rd and home like in a rundown.
Yes, it is. Both runners can not touch the same base. Because they have touched the base at the same time, the runner still on base is tagged out. The 2nd runner being of base can be tagged out then.
@@williambean8211So, you insist on being wrong multiple times. That is not how that works. Two players can be on base at the same time. The trailing runner would not be out if he was tagged while he is the only one standing on the base. He would only be out if he was tagged while they were both on the base.
I would like to know why both of them are out. People will stay stupid things though. Like, "as soon as Reyes touches third base Laurie is automatically out". No, that is not how that works. So, how are they both out? Please explain it in a way where you aren't making or changing rules to make it possible.
@@GoBack2California Did you see the part where you weren't supposed to make up rules? 😂 Two players can occupy the same base. I won't call you smart guy, because you obviously aren't. They can occupy the same base until the trailing runner is tagged. The trailing runner was not tagged while the lead runner was on base. Therefore he wouldn't be out for that reason. Maybe learn that, or anything, before showing your ignorance in a comment. But to give you credit, you were really confident in your ignorance. Your mom would be proud. 😂😂
@@GoBack2CaliforniaLet me guess your next reply... "Interference on 35 because it prevented 39 from getting to tag Laurie for the split second that Reyes was touching the base" 😂😂😂
Laurie is the trailing runner, he got tagged out. Had the leading runner not fallen off of the base he would have been safe. Since the lead runner fell off the base, he wasn't on the base, and was tagged out while he was NOT touching the base.
But they can. Many people think they can't though. I am guessing theoretically three or even four players could be on base at the same time, as long as no one passed anybody. Being on base at the same time is not an automatic out.
@@user-kv6wh5ut6o you're right, while it's quite a brain twister to imagine how it could happen, you could have 4 runners touching 3rd base, and no one would be out until someone is tagged. The only one who couldn't be out that way is R2 (the one who started at 2nd and was forced to 3rd)
