Dream>>> TDK Obvilion > others Obvilion is boundless. He killed writers, he is truly immortal bc he is nothing, end of everything. You can’t destroy or kill something that does not exist which is Obvilion. He said that he is not bounded to marvel and can destroy real world. His little aspect destroyed 99% of multiverse and no one could stop him, just somehow outsmarted.
Dream is far below TDK. If you have any evidence to support Dream > TDK, please let me know. As for Oblivion, can you link me to a scan where he said he isn’t bound by Marvel and can ‘destroy the real world’? Also, Oblivion did very well in the video, only losing to Unkindness Raven who is stated to be stronger than the Presence.
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brother Oblivion wins against all and every form of every character in all of fiction, I would love to discuss this with you if you disagree to see your opinion😊
Sure! Do you have any feats to base your views of Oblivion’s power off of? My scaling for him is based on the statements that he is beyond the multiverse (and surrounds him), just as the Far Shore does. Essentially, Oblivion = the Far Shore. In Defenders: Beyond, we see that there are many entities beyond the Far Shore, such as the Beyonders, the Phoenix Force, the Land of Couldn’t-Be-Shouldn’t-Be and The House of Ideas, with each succeeding one implied to be far more powerful and grand than the last. According to this, Oblivion is above any character in the Marvel multiverse (including entities such as The Living Tribunal and Multi-Eternity) but lower than any beings that are deeper than him into ‘The Mystery’ (such as the Beyonders (not a singular Beyonder though, I’m talking about the entire race combined) or The One Above All). Hope that explains my scaling, and I’m looking forward to yours!
@@multiversal_clown My answer will be long, please don't mind haha but please read it yes you are correct, in DB they do introduce a lot of comic entities outside the multiverse, and if you have been reading G.O.D.S than you know that now oblivion is there, but my point is far opposite to all of this, And I say this again you are 100% correct about the cosmic entities outside the Marvel multiverse, but that's the thing Oblivion is NOT a cosmic entity, literally most of the fandom think that whereas its far beyond that, when the writers introduced (notice how I say introduce and not write) oblivion they brought him with the saying that "everything came from him and everything will back to him eventually" the point is he is nothingness, OBLIVION IS THE END, it is not a marvel character to begin with. Oblivion is a fact, a truth, he is not a character but a statement that says everything came from me and everything will come back to me eventually, like let's say marvel introduce Andrew tate in their comics and say that he is a guy, that isn't a story that's a fact right? Oblivion is basically a fact & the embodiment of nothingness in Marvel, even marvel writers (TOAA/or anyone) cannot defy him, you cannot and I mean CANNOT defeat him, defeating him is simple but impossible, I mean if you want to defeat him just live forever like for infinity, and never die than you will defy him hence kinda winning against him, that's it In the beginning marvel was more religious, they introduced gods of different cultures and death and heaven/hell/Valhalla and said whoever diess will go to any of those, but oblivion is more of a scientific approach, yk how scientists think after u die that's it there is no heaven and hell, exactly that, oblivion is their thoughts, you can't win against a fact. I really hope I helped a little 😁, I love talking to comics lovers haha, I will be waiting for ur reply ..
Do you have any feats for Fulcrum? I was unable to find any that would prove he was stronger than UR (who is confirmed to be stronger than the Presence)
Dream was shown to be weaker than Barbatos, who was treated as an ant by the World Forger, who is weaker than and the son of Perpetua, who is weaker than TDK. TL;DR: Dream < Barbatos < World Forger < Perpetua < TDK
Do you have any feats for Fulcrum? I was hard-pressed to find any good feats other than that he created the Celestials and may/may not be an avatar of TOAA.
@@multiversal_clown I know that he is featless cause marvel didn't showed him up that much but like I said he's literary number two strongest in marvel and also he represents Jack Kirby who is the writer There's no way he loses to unkindness He is kind of an avatar of TOAA Nice video by the way
Thank you, but if he is supposed to be an avatar of TOAA, then he would still loose to UR. This is because UR is stated to be above the Presence, who is DC’s stand-in for TOAA. Therefore, even if Fulcrum was as strong as TOAA he would still lose to UR.
I dont mean to be rude.but have you ever actually read a comic in your entire life? A weakened tdk with his power cut off fought super boy prime equally and tried to recruit him.yet you say full power tdk loses to sbp.what am i witnessing 😂.
You’re right, that was a mistake. In research for the video, I was only able to find the comic panels in which TDK is beaten by SBP without their context (i.e. TDK was massively weakened). I don’t have a DC subscription, and I was unable to fact check for myself. Hope that clears things up.
But he isn’t though, as he lives in the SoG, which TDK completely transcends. Maybe is Vertigo Comics Dream is depicted as stronger (I’m not very familiar with them), but in base DC, Dream would not beat TDK.
@@multiversal_clown in dc comics TDK is not even in top 10 by powers and tier/scaling .Top 10 are presence > the great darkness>unwritten leviathan>elain beloc>Lucifer/Michael> the endless family>spectre oversoul> Dr Manhattan (doomsday clock)> CAS > true form darkseid .
Did you make this list yourself? Or is this an offical ranking? I only ask because CAS is definitely not more powerful than Perpetua (she used the crisis energy of CAS and Mandrakk’s fight, making her a bigger threat than Mandrakk), and TDK beat her, which to me, would suggest that the rankings are wrong. Not only that, the Unwritten Leviathan may have been published by DC, but it isn’t part of the DC Cosmology (it’s actually part of ‘The Unwritten’). Same thing for Elaine Belloc, she is from Vertigo Comics, which is different from DC.
But in your previous video"Raven all forms vs Scarlet witch all forms" you said that hax power elder goddess>unkindness Raven, so how Oblivion takes feats and overall against Wanda but not taking feats and overall point against elder goddess
