Open Scoring Is TERRIBLE! The UFC Want Bad Judging in MMA - UFC Decisions Reaction 

Spot on. The focus should be on the fundamentals. These changes would everything but the essential... the fact these judges don't have a strong grasp of how to score fights in MMA, and that they aren't being held to account for consistently bad decisions. It's like everyone wants to avoid focusing on the real problem, and by doing so, will create a whole new set of problems with this ridiculous open scoring system that is so obviously flawed.

I think they trying to kill the ESPN deal. Why put on good cards when they already getting 500,000 ppv buys from ESPN guaranteed. Disney made it hard for Dana to put on shows when Co-vid 1st hit. ESPN reports shit UFC doesn’t like. Can the UFC keep affording to pay top 15 fighters on fight nights with no crowd? Barely any Top 15 fighters are fighting right now. It’s ridiculous!!

The open scoring would help bring a bit more exposure to the stupidy of the judges tho. Alot of people dont know judges names.

@Aaron Magro 10-7 lmao Cory won but that’s deluded

im just sick of decisions man. i have been for years. for a very long time. im totally serious here, i would genuinely risk the odd 1 hr match of lay and pray if it meant every fight got finished. MOST, i truly believe MOST would adapt to a finishing mindset over 'i can win a decision, i can last the rounds or even at worse, i got more points.' theres two points i have that i think counter pretty much any arguement about trying this. theres zero excuse about trying out a card of this. zero. and do it in front of a crowd. they could even market as the old original system, while maintaining the inteligent moves that preserves the figher safety. such as the 20 groin punches. but two points, one, we are WAAAAY beyond the days where fighters gas and the rounds are at the fighters limits. this simply doesnt exist 99-100 fights. the fighters and the sport itself has outgrown to the point that we are mimicking the pacing of the old karate tournaments. and well, new karate too. but they have outgrown it. as much as many fighters would deny and despise the term, many fights involve 'point-fighting'. this is simply an organic reaction to camping based on rounds and settling in to the sport evolving into this. i dont blame the fighters, especially old ones but its the simple reality that many times the plan was around lasting rounds, a 3 round battle, a 5 round war and PLANNING on decisions. planning on it. banking on and gameplanning 'lasting, LASTING' the rounds. an entire camp, based on safety as opposed to a camp focused on nothing but finishing. second point. IT WAS EXTREMELY SUCCESFUL WHEN IT EXISTED IN THIS FASHION. proven, not guess work. so lets experiment with the refined sport of today in a structure thats been tested, part of the structure present in the sports founding. i truly truly believe this will eliminate 70% of boring fights. it may be 90, but it fixes alot of issues organically, by its nature. by the mindset going into camps, by the deep water of knowing a judge cant save them because they 'appeared' to have *ahem...octagon control. i am absolutely sick of decisions and its why i follow bare-knuckle so much. for me, bare-knuckle right now scratches the itches of the old ufc days in its brutality, and theres almost never a decision making the cards just a next-level experience. on the brutality, i like it brutal but i also dont because i know it means alot less longevity and i LIKE the fighters being able to fight. but im still wathcing holy shit, theres some serious action. and honestly, alot of comments about how much more satisfying it is than the ufc. ...because of the fkn decisions, lack of finishes and it just ISNT what it used to be even tho the SPORT is better. the fighters are maybe even better. but fk man, i am SICK of decisions. i stopped watching for a bit after nick diaz and carlos condit. not even for any fanboying but they NEEDED to finish. these close fights that are legit ninja spectacles NEED TO FINISH. rant over for two seconds, the cans ben opened. im sick of decisions.

You are one of the many who don't understand that (some of) the judges aren't there to accurately judge fights. Gambling mafias have massive hand in most sports at the highest level. The more money involved, the more so. Certain judges are bought, with scores being premedidated except where there's KO or if totally one sided. Open scoring is a pointless discussion.

Open scoring doesn't fix judging, but it absolutely makes the fights more exciting and more like an actual 'sport', like it's supposed to be.

Adding more judges does nothing if said judges are just as incompetent, all that will do is create more opportunities for them to fuck it up. Open Scoring doesn't fix anything, however it's a lot better than adding even more randomness into the mix.

I agrew i think it's a bad idea and doesn't fix the issues there is, but i can see the opposite side with like it just being like any other sport where scoring is live and a team or person knows what he or she needs to do or that they're behind and like wise on the other side "coasting" to a victory can cost you and they know that.

@@markhunt9643 I disagree. I think there's a reason why there are 12 people in a jury for trials rather than three. Basing such an important decision on such a few amount of people leaves more opportunity for radical variablity in decision-making. Bring more "educated" people in to the mix would lower this variablility. Another person indicated that judges are bought and paid for. That may well be true, and perhaps the commisons should be held more accountable, but I think that's an entirely different problem. We have to look at this issue as one the can be ameliorated with incremental changes rather than sweeping reforms like open-judging.

😂😂 that would be hell on earth

That’s a great point actually never thought about that. It would be insufferable

To play the devils advocate here, imagine in the best of worlds where Adesanya sees Jan being up 3-1 and he brings it, fucking swinging for the fences. Would be cool

@Ryan Cruz is bad as commentator. Will never forget how he said McNugget was trying to tire out khabib by getting mauled and geeting punched in the face For 2 minutes straight.

@@xyx982 Dom explained it, what he meant was "Conor cant get up, so the only thing he can do is take hits and hope khabibs arms gas out" but he said it weirdly

@@xyx982 He wasn't wrong. Though the way he said made it look like Conor was doing it on purpose and with perfect execution. Rather it was more so, okay I got nothing let me do the best I can to make it as difficult on him to beat me up. This will at least tire him out some.

@@rgonzalo511 Yes but the problem is Khabib could go 10 rounds if he wanted to 👊😂

@@xyx982 I mean it's not a great strategy that's for sure. But in MMA alot of times you gotta make do with what you got.

not really. Open scoring would help a lot with urgency. If Rose knew she was losing she would've gone for it in the 5th round. Open scoring would eliminate boring fights

@@RSG200 it wouldn’t tho because esparza would know she’s winning so she wouldn’t take any risks. Plus it makes the endings suck instead of two guys slinging leather at the each other we get one guy going for it and one guy throwing the bare minimum to win the fight. It would be 💩

@@RSG200 That's more of a corner-men problem. If your boyfriend is in your corner and doesn't want you to get hurt ofc he's not gonna tell you to go for it...

I realised this too

That is essentially D Cruz's response to him. Open scoring will just keep bad judging where it is. Ariel sucks.

Man, I hated the Holm vs Vieira fight, but props to Ketlen’s head coach. The guy was going nuts cause she was literally throwing the fight away, without him I don’t think she would have kicked it up a gear

That’s the real problem for me. People complain about closely contested fights, but the real issue is when a judge gives a scoring like this, because it shows you they have absolutely no clue what they’ve watching

apparently, they are sending the commentators to a judging education class so they can learn the scoring criteria so hopefully, they don't openly score it wrong if they will even try that during commentary

Weasle has covered that pretty recently in good detail

5 you need an odd number.

You would need 5

@@tylerrobbins8311 he’s saying 4 cause he wants more draws you understand that yes ?

Beautiful reference at the end

izzy adesanya's gyno listens to the guruuu

When you're cringe

Im a kiwi i watch next day

The commentary has become so bad in regards to explaining how fights should be scored that they now have casual fans an newcomers to the sport believing that the judging is worse than it actually is

@@erickghoul174 I know right DC will watch a guy get his ass kicked for 4 minutes amd say the other guy might have won the round because he took him down for 45 seconds at the end of the round

But that’s not true if you actually read what the rules say. Strikes that contribute towards ending the fight are scored higher, so an uppercut that rocks the fighter is definitely more significant than a jab to the body

@@peterk2735 that was my point total strikes don't tell whole story

a thousand times yes. and on top of it fixing tons of issues, ITS BEEN PROVEN TO BE SUCCESFUL. its been tried. we keep the refined sport of today with some of the structure of the sports origination. alot of fights are essentially karate tournaments even camping based on lasting the rounds and point-fighting.

i have a more measured sympathetic take, i think it evolved naturally, and theres fighters who are trying to finish, but yeah, im just sick of decisions man

@@scienceworksinmysteriouswa9463 Ive seen more viciousness in kyokushin karate than in some ufc fights lol

@@columodonnell9202 true

the issue is no one has told the ufc to fix the judges yet. thats the problem. if someone like dc told dana to fix the judges it would be done by tommorow i reckon.

That's interesting with the idea of different length rounds. I'd just like to see some kind of overtime for title fights that haven't come to a clear finish.

@@Malygosblues I think PRIDE FC used to do the format I explained above, or something very similar. Longer rounds would likely result in more finishes, though. The breaks in between rounds can be game-changers sometimes. And yeah, a title fight should never end in a draw with a default winner so adding overtime seems like a solid idea.

i so agree with this. if round one in Jiri vs Glover was 10 minutes long jiri gets the first round finish

The problem is, this would favor grappling over striking even more and make fights more boring.

@@monkpato yeah, maybe. I was thinking of every situation where I see a submission coming soon, and the only thing that saved them was the bell. There is an argument to be made that longer rounds would end the fight quicker, you're not being saved by the bell and then allowed to go into the next round, a little more fresh, and restart the "boring" ground game. There is also cardio to consider, longer rounds will result in guys gassing out and not being saved by the bell each round. But yeah, I do see how it would start to favor the ground game more but at the same time, there is more profit incentive for the guys that stand up and put on wars. Those guys get headliners and pushed faster, typically, with a fatter paycheck.

Facts

@@JBreezzBeatz but guru would never cuz he knows I wound dismantle him

I’m 100% that’s the case. If you watch the prelims, where there aren’t so many big names pushed, the commentary is way better

@Manish Mims well then it's good that he's not a judge, isn't it?

I know bro they clearly show wrong numbers

The judges don’t see those numbers and they do not matter in the scoring criteria ar all

That’s the problem right there. The commissions draft the rules, they approve the rules and they pick the people that enforce the rules. That’s bullshit, it’s like the judical and executive branches in a government being the same.

Most MMA fans do not even know the rules. Especially Instagram and Twitter casuals

Number 5 to the moon and back. I’m so fucking sick of reading this comment.

Explain?

I don’t understand who won a fight in a real life. There is no guidelines for this? 50 people could watch a real life fight and many have different conclusions. To some people it’s who had a black eye, to someone else it’s who was on top the longest, for others it’s who landed more hits, for some it’s who looks most defeated at the end.

@@done1961The scoring criteria asks judges to ignore elements like control unless things that can't be measured like damage and aggresion are the same. Yet the judges are also asked to determine even before that stage, to consider effective grappling and striking. In some fights effective grappling and control is expressed entirely through control. We see that in the Holly Holm fight where her effective grappling is to hold and control Veira. So are the judges supposed to consider the cage control in cases where it effective or not? It a dumb system that exists becuase dumb fans were mad that their favorite fighters lost fights that were mostly up against the cage (Benson Henderson fights). They through such a fit, that the rules changedbasically tried to screw that fighter. The problem is, control is a major factor we all consider in any fight and you can't remove control from effective striking or grappling. It naturally going to be present in our minds or even bias us in who we think won. Becuase effective aggresion and damage are so subjective as well, whether control is either a factor such as in the Izzy vs Whittaker fight where Izzy controlled the range and the octogan with his movement, is subjective and subject to bias. We see this own issue with the gurus scoring. In the Rose fight he considers this to be the difference in why Rose should have won, but doesn't in the Izzy(who he hates) fight. We need a better scoring criteria that doesnt ask judges to ignore what they can see with their own eyes, is confusingely part if other scoring critera, and is naturally going to bias any deiscion they make.

they should use more of the numbers if they don’t implement that and make 10-10 rounds easier to achieve too

It’s not that easy. Like usually it is, but some fights are legit hard to judge in real time.

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@@done1961 he was saying it on stream last night. It was a popular game growing up here in uk lol