Operant Conditioning - Negative Reinforcement vs Negative Punishment

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Often overlooked and misunderstood is the difference between stopping a session and it being Negative punishment VS when it is Negative Reinforcement. Operant Conditioning is a powerful tool to motivate dogs and manipulate behaviors. But we must be intentional and precise. In order to achieve precision from the dog, you yourself must be capable of being precise. Learn to draw the distinction here.
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@gregtred 3 года назад

Great explanation on what can be a confusing topic. The differences between the 2 are very important and should be considered when mapping out training

@Carpo1 3 года назад

Excellent teaching. Makes it easy to understand the difference and how to implement it.

@behav-n-dogs6249 3 года назад

Around the #2min you mentioned "put the dog away" in oder for the dog to receive negative punishment. This can be misinterpreted to mean "crate the dog" and I've seen this to very much backfire on crate training. As it is best for a dog to see his crate as a positive (a place to relax).

@joshblau9233 2 года назад

Great video. Thank you.

@MelissaVelezS 3 года назад

Love this!!!

@kimpritchard3989 3 года назад

That was a great video and love the way you explain things Thanks Pat

@nicholasdalton7161 3 года назад

Solid explanation. Think you might have just given me the final puzzle piece for a hole I was trying to fix 😜

@Luuuuuuuuuuuuke 3 года назад

Great videos mate. Now just waiting for the day Peter McKinnon comments on one of them!

@jackiem5901 3 года назад

I have a punishment marker and a non-reinforcement marker. If dog is performing a behaviour I don't want, I can use my non-reinforcement marker (which allows (and encourages) the dog to try again). If I get behaviour I never want, especially if the dog knows better, I use the punishment marker and end the session for a few minutes. I quite like having two markers....one for the dog to keep trying (perhaps when learning a new behaviour) and a 'I never want that behaviour in this context' marker. Would you say this was a good approach Pat?

@PatStuart 3 года назад

Yep. Sounds like it probably works great.

@jackiem5901 3 года назад

@@PatStuart thanks :)

@griffinreitz7041 3 года назад

I'm sure glad, in my day, you just make the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard. If I live to be 100 I'm never going to keep "quadrants" straight.

@behav-n-dogs6249 3 года назад

I was looking forward to a comparison with examples of both negative reinforcement and negative punishment. I feel you really only talked about an example of negative punishment. It would be neat to hear a part 2 on this with a negative reinforcement example. Curious how you would use negative reinforcement in the example you gave with a dog getting distracted during a training session and ignoring the reinforcement you have available in hopes to go play with another dog. I would say one way to use negative reinforcement in such a situation would be to apply physical pressure to the dog in some way (that the dog has been previously taught means do as I request to relieve you of this physical pressure). For example cueing the dog to sit and pulling up on the collar until the dog complies. In all honesty, I'd personally work to momentarily grab the dogs attention in order to mark the looking at me behavior with a well established marker word such as "yes" and then pet (or offer another normally enjoyable reward) and praise the dog. Or say "leave it" and walk quickly away until the dog can focus again then rewarding the dog with looking and or sniffing in the direction of the distractions if the dog follows a cue/signal (for the example you gave).

@gnpahdc 3 года назад

Not that it matters a lot but not providing a reward is one example of "response-cost". If you do behavior x it costs you lost opportunity y or you must pay a fine, etc At the most fundamental level not giving a reward until the right moment is at the heart of shaping a behavior. If I want the animal to do a little better approximation of the behavior I want then I will wait to deliver the reward. For that reason I prefer the term "response-cost" as it clearly differentiates withholding for the purpose of punishment from withholding for the purpose of acquiring a new behavior.

@PatStuart 3 года назад

I like it.

@JayyRed 7 месяцев назад

So the lack of food actually creates the Neg R is that correct?

@PatStuart 7 месяцев назад

That for sure is one way of looking at it.

@JayyRed 7 месяцев назад

Ok. Thanks for that. I’m struggling to see how the removal of food which builds pressure is aversive. I thought Negative Reinforcement is the removal of a stimulus (by definition, one that is usually considered unpleasant or aversive) It appears the dog is just hungry. When I’m hungry, I know that I must do something to get the food (Positive R) That aside the dog doesn’t immediately feel the ‘pressure’ when the behaviour is incorrect - it’s slowly feeling the pressure build for hours and days prior to the session by the reduced food intake. I thought NR implies the pressure/aversive is immediately applied (ie with an e-collar/leash pressure) when the behaviour is not adopted and immediately released when it is adopted, thus clearly teaching the dog the incorrect behaviour. You can’t get blacker and whiter than this. Giving treats when a dog is hungry is not like a tap or e-collar - when its off its completely off and when it’s on, it’s on. Correct me if I am wrong, the dog feels an ‘aversive’ before and after the correct behaviour. The dog feels the same level of ‘aversive’ (hunger) 30 mins prior to the incorrect behaviour being adopted as well as after. The few treats given during the correct behaviour would not satisfy the dog to remove all the ‘pressure’ (hunger). It would be like applying an e-collar on a low stim 30 mins prior to a behaviour, stopping when the behaviour is good and re-applying for an additional time after the dog is ‘free’. By increasing the hunger, have you not merely made the value of the food more important than the distraction you speak of in the park? The dog will now obey your commands because it’s hungry and it needs to do something to get fed. The Dog conducts a behaviour we want to increase. You add a treat to the dog. You have engaged Positive R. No aversive was added or removed surrounding that specific period. The aversive you speak of was over a 24-hour period. My thoughts are, in the future when the dog is no longer hungry, the original behaviour will re-occur. Interested on your thoughts?

@killualluka 3 года назад

Hi Pat, quick question. Negative Punishment on dog who got distracted while training. You mentioned about asking a few more behaviour, would this obedience cues? Also would you release the dog after?

@PatStuart 3 года назад

Yeah I mean ask a few known behaviours. That could be obedience for sure. When I have some kind of environmental distraction I like to where ever possible and safe use that as a reinforcer. Which yeah is basically just releasing the dog.

@joshblau9233 2 года назад

@@PatStuart I am experiencing this exact example with my 1yr old Golden - however it's not a dog, it's duck poo. After punishing him, send him back to eat the poo? Serious but also funny.

@tdp4517 3 года назад

Dog making monkey noises when told to quiet (fomo when handler works with other dog nearby) "rubbish" put into car crate. Given next opportunity after calm and quiet in the crate. "ready?" get dog out. Give next opportunity to offer correct behavior when asked. Give dog what it wants - where appropriate - (in this case working with handler)