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"Operation Big Wave" That Time Knuckles got everyone Killed in Sonic Forces 

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#SonicForces #SonicHotTakes Knuckles has had some ups and downs in recent Sonic games, but do you remember that time Knuckles the echidna sent a bunch of resistance members to die in Sonic Forces "Operation Big Wave"? Good times~ Let's reminisce about yet another character who suffered as a result of poor writing.
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@squee-g1658
@squee-g1658 4 года назад
Interviewer:"why did you show little to no concern or regret for the 80% that died because of your plan?" Knuckles:"They knew what they signed up for..."
@GeneralKenobi75
@GeneralKenobi75 2 года назад
Knuckles, the Zapp Branigan of the Sonic universe.
@Gamer305Wendell
@Gamer305Wendell 4 года назад
"The rookie is our only hope now" Knuckles....., please think about what you just said. You most seasoned forces have been wiped out and your ONLY HOPE is a Rookie...... you are a terrible commander.
@smt64productions40
@smt64productions40 4 года назад
Everything wrong with Sonic Forces
@Monotail_Razuin
@Monotail_Razuin 4 года назад
Charii5 😂
@SGWolfie
@SGWolfie 4 года назад
Knuckles "Oops! All Rookies"
@brian_Austin27
@brian_Austin27 4 года назад
The rookie: oh shit😟😦😦
@cb2327
@cb2327 4 года назад
Rookie: WHOA WHOA, HELLO THERE!!! WHY ME THO
@legendofsonic3979
@legendofsonic3979 4 года назад
"They died like true soldiers"-Knuckles, probably
@BlazingAuras
@BlazingAuras 4 года назад
I guess writers didn't think we would care about stage dialogue They probably just put 80% as a statistic just to make the ruby seem menacing
@SGWolfie
@SGWolfie 4 года назад
More than likely the case but it's still not a good look for our boy.
@BlazingAuras
@BlazingAuras 4 года назад
@@SGWolfie yeah they shouldn't butcher his character like that
@near5148
@near5148 Год назад
When I heard that I knew knuckles fucked up
@aldovesper1362
@aldovesper1362 4 года назад
"Sonic Forces is a masterpiece..." Me: What the fu- "in jarring narrative dissonance." Me: Phew.
@bluefirekid
@bluefirekid 4 года назад
Knuckles is not a leadership-type character, he's generally a loner and stated to be awkward in social situations sometimes. (It's not that he couldn't be one, but when you think of a person giving orders or coming up with plans, Amy, Rouge, Tails or Vector are the first to come to mind. It felt Knuckles was chosen for marketing purposes. If he was like, a motivator or in charge of training the rookies, something that IS his skillset, it'd do wonders for his character and the plot) What happened in Forces made him look incompetent, rather than the resistance dealing with a hard blow from Infinite. (Who also has a can of worms himself)
@SGWolfie
@SGWolfie 4 года назад
I love your idea actually. Knuckles being the one to train people and motivate people on and off the battlefield is right up his alley. He's like a general you'd use not so much a commander you'd have organizing plans and strategies.
@requiem6465
@requiem6465 4 года назад
@@SGWolfie Drill Sergeant Knuckles trains forces at Fort Knux. on Angel Island.
@GeneralKenobi75
@GeneralKenobi75 2 года назад
You know who would be perfect for the role of commander? Vector. He's an experienced leader, clever, and doesn't just charge ahead to bash every problem in front of him.
@kingcatzak
@kingcatzak 4 года назад
I overlooked that part. They did knuckles dirty
@alejandrolozano4919
@alejandrolozano4919 4 года назад
king cat99 very dirty I could of sorry for knuckle they treat he like that in the pass he can make a good leader .
@SGWolfie
@SGWolfie 4 года назад
Knuckles is one of the many causalities of the current writing team sadly.
@alejandrolozano4919
@alejandrolozano4919 4 года назад
80 % of poeple Dead They really made knuckle this bad
@alejandrolozano4919
@alejandrolozano4919 4 года назад
I find out from other youtube shadow was not a edgy lord at all and this is what we did to shadow . And tails was ruin by sonic team It got to hell for them
@kamui1847
@kamui1847 4 года назад
At least he wasn't comic relief. Or at leas he wasn't intended to be
@xanmoas
@xanmoas 4 года назад
And people were mad Amy replaced him in the comics. HE WIPED OUT HIS OWN FORCES IN ONE STAGE! the resistance should be asking for his head on a pike!
@Enter_the_Toshiverse_1996
@Enter_the_Toshiverse_1996 4 года назад
When Wolfie showed the clip of Shadow fighting the clones with the caption "what is this man doing?" I immediately cracked up! That was freaking hilarious and it's pretty much true because Shadow wasn't punching or kicking any of them, he was kinda just sliding through them like he was ice skating
@BlackFlash09
@BlackFlash09 4 года назад
To be fair, Amy did elaborate on Knuckles' leadership in the IDW Comics. Knuckles is great at rallying others. However, Amy was the real brains behind the scenes and she was the one who kept things organized. I gotta say though, seeing Amy working on computers makes me think of her carrying around an AI on a handheld computer...
@thekagawalife2081
@thekagawalife2081 4 года назад
Paul Dunbar I understood that! I understood that reference!
@smt64productions40
@smt64productions40 4 года назад
Like Sally
@SGWolfie
@SGWolfie 4 года назад
True, the IDW comics have really done a good job retroactively explaining and fixing a lot of Forces narrative issues.
@aetherialbeing4223
@aetherialbeing4223 4 года назад
Werewoof Reactions still sucks that the main narrative issues are being solved by a comic series
@thethales000
@thethales000 4 года назад
Even IDW comics makes a reference about Knuckles' skills as a leader, in the first moment that he could return to Angel's Island he did just that leaving everything to Amy resolve which ironic was his best idea as commander
@taffyistrashy
@taffyistrashy 4 года назад
Man, I've never noticed this, it's passed off so nonchalantly that hundreds of resistance fighters were killed that it's not even noticeable. It's not even funny. Wtf.
@mangaprime478
@mangaprime478 4 года назад
And that's why IDW Sonic reckoned things and made Amy Rose the new leader and organizer even before Knuckles disbanded the resistance. It was their way of telling Sonic Team that Amy should have been the leader from the start and not Knuckles since his character isn't really a people's person like Amy Rose is since he lives alone on Angel Island. Plus in IDW Sonic, Knuckles wasn't seen as a threat on equal par with Sonic by Neo Metal Sonic, Amy was by the end of issue 1 of IDW Sonic. That's why Neo Metal Sonic plotted and lured out both Sonic and Amy in an effort to kill them both at the same time in one ambush in issue 2. Plus the loss of 80% of the resistance was brought up in issue 15 when Amy was explaining to Sonic how they lost a lot of good members of the resistance during the war and Sonic comforted and encouraged her.
@MechaKnuckles
@MechaKnuckles 3 года назад
Amy had a history of immaturity and recklessness. She's an even worse choice. The only game where she remotely shows good leadership skills is Heroes, and even then, it's not much.
@GeneralKenobi75
@GeneralKenobi75 2 года назад
@@MechaKnuckles I think Vector should have been the leader.
@iananderson4754
@iananderson4754 2 года назад
its been 5 years since the big wave incident. knuckles now stands trial for negligence
@sonicmanic2556
@sonicmanic2556 4 года назад
I miss knuckles being relevant and I feel like knuckles should be around sonic's level of power since he is sonic's polar opposite. Since knuckles is the last echidna sega should have always kept him in the spotlight along with sonic since he is special!
@DavidYoung.04
@DavidYoung.04 4 года назад
Knuckles should be stronger than sonic, I hate how segas making sonic”the best” in every thing he does and it would fit better with Sonics team Sonics speed, knuckles is strength and tails is brain
@sonicmanic2556
@sonicmanic2556 4 года назад
@Revived Mo No knuckles is sonic's polar opposite. Both sonic and knuckles originally have completely opposite personalities. Sonic is all about adventure, living life on the edge, and plainly not following the rules. Knuckles is the exact opposite by wanting to stay in one place and guard the master emerald. Shadow is way too similar to sonic. Also speed isn't everything, Knuckles has skills too that can match sonic. They have more battles where when they fight it becomes a draw.
@mekhifreeman2367
@mekhifreeman2367 4 года назад
@@DavidYoung.04 no lol
@Mo-.
@Mo-. 2 года назад
Knuckles should be stronger than Sonic but he is not. Knuckles also is in no way the polar opposite of Sonic and as soon as his arc in Sonic Adventure was wrapped up that was not the case. While Sonic does love Adventure, after Sonic Adventure, Knuckles learned to lighten up and not stay only guarding the Master Emerald, also, Knuckles in the games has only ever canonically beaten Sonic once, while Sonic has defeated him numerous times. Knuckles can’t be Sonics polar opposite since after the Adventure games, he joins Sonic against many of his adventures like he did in Sonic Heroes when he had no need to or even in the game being mentioned in this video (Sonic Forces) when he’s leading the resistance instead. Sonics polar opposite is Shadow because Shadow is always doing a job while Sonic only ever does what he wants and loves free. Also Shadow, unlike Knuckles, has actually beaten or matched Sonic multiple times. He also beat Silver who when first introduced, was originally more powerful than Sonic. I agree that Knuckles shouldn’t be a bumbling idiot like how the games have portrayed him the last decade and they should take notes from how the Sonic movie sequel seems to show him as an actual powerful character and that it should be highlighted that his power is equivalent to Sonics speed but in strength but the fact is that this hasn’t been the case in the long time. And even if it was, he could never touch Sonic in theory because Sonic is too fast for him now that he has a good grasp on his powers
@TimmyTheTinman
@TimmyTheTinman 3 года назад
Knuckles screwed up worse then when Napoloeon forgot to pack some winter clothes when invading Russia.
@aetherialbeing4223
@aetherialbeing4223 4 года назад
Probably the only thing in the game that made me laugh was the fact that he was so smug and sure of his strategy, only for the “80% of our forces have been wiped out”. Really dark and I’m well aware that it isn’t meant to be funny but I mocking the game
@ItzMisterBlitzer
@ItzMisterBlitzer 2 года назад
I did some pseudo-intellectual googling (always fun) and assuming Knuckles has the rank of Lieutenant General the casualty count is anywhere from 16,000 to 32,000 (assuming the Resistance has a sizable military force)
@SH-rs3zw
@SH-rs3zw 4 года назад
As someone who tried not to take this game seriously at all, I always found this bit super funny How did no one object to a strategy that was thought out in a minute and a half How was everyone still cool with Knuckles being commander after most of their army gets fucking annihilated How is Knuckles himself so casual about all the blood he has on his hands Who even let Knuckles be the commander to begin with Why not someone much smarter like Tails? Or just anyone else with more than two braincells since Tails had “lost it”. Idk man this game is weird
@mediamuncher6982
@mediamuncher6982 4 года назад
Knuckles should be like in the IDW knuckles more than sonic boom he was more serious and still funny.
@HannahBanina
@HannahBanina 3 года назад
3:54 I too am still struggling to figure out what the hell Shadow's doing here. Like. The fuck?
@Chris_4800
@Chris_4800 2 года назад
That’s actually a good retrospective because I hadn’t picked up some of the subtleties you had. 👍
@jadeemr
@jadeemr 4 года назад
Man I really miss SA2 Knuckles, he was badass. I can hardly even see current Knuckles as the same character anymore.
@DemonDethchase
@DemonDethchase 4 года назад
I think everyone was best in Adventure 2, Knux and Miles especially. What happened to serious Knuckles and brave Tails, the little fox who could? Ok maybe not so much Tails for gameplay (what with confined to the mech). SA1 was the best for that. Hopefully in the next mainline game when they bring back the others as playable characters, for the first time in 14 years, they look to SA1 and let Tails run (and fly) wild and free. Because as the old saying goes: let Tails run (and fly) wild and free.
@smugsneasel
@smugsneasel 4 года назад
Ah yes. Someone else who has called significant attention to that scene. What were they thinking when writing this game man? First the added dialogue about torture, then this.
@psi_mae
@psi_mae 2 года назад
You predicted Idris Elba
@59rlmccormack
@59rlmccormack 4 года назад
I understand your feelings on the matter, buddy! In fact, this is why people hate Pontac and Graff’s writing!
@SGWolfie
@SGWolfie 4 года назад
Their writing style worked well for Colors as a lighthearted entry in the series but not so much for this 'war' story.
@MegaGlassguy
@MegaGlassguy 4 года назад
@@SGWolfie eh, even then it's a very mixed bag I'd say. On one hand, Eggman's PA announcements in-game are great and full of sometimes corny, sometimes dark humor and those really fits Eggman's character and are by far the game's highlight in writing. On the other hand, every cutscene with Sonic and Tails feel stale and drags on way too long trying to make bad jokes for 5 years old while doing nothing but stand around.
@Sonic171K
@Sonic171K 4 года назад
You just can’t take Forces story seriously.
@travisherndon94
@travisherndon94 4 года назад
I agree I feel like if your going to make Knuckles a leader of a group of freedom fighters or something like that have him lead a small team. Case in point the chaotix like in the Archie comics where Knuckles was the leader of his own small power house team. In the comics the Chaotix were pretty much "The Wreckers" of the Sonic Universe a team of crazy strong power houses that were called if the freedom fighters needed the backup or do a suicide mission.
@maxthepaladin2147
@maxthepaladin2147 3 года назад
Battle result: Numerous casualties. On this day, many women and children lost their husbands and fathers in a pointless, ill-planned assault General Knuckles: Bazinga
@jasondavis2381
@jasondavis2381 3 года назад
Norman Osborn: YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU SACRIFICED?!
@jamalsimmons619
@jamalsimmons619 4 года назад
Sega never give knuckles any love to knuckles after Sonic advantage 2. People keep making knuckles looks more foolish after that I'm a shame how Sega let him go a waste Wolfie.😰
@supertrike5893
@supertrike5893 3 года назад
They gave him respect in sonic heros, Sonic free riders and 30th anniversary sonic comic
@lupinsredjacket3191
@lupinsredjacket3191 4 года назад
Yo, Knuckles just went full-on Erwin Smith! *SASAGEYO!* *SASAGEYO!* *SHINZOU WO SASAGEYO!*
@Blueflag04
@Blueflag04 4 года назад
Knuckles be like - The resistances are expendable
@darknessrising2453
@darknessrising2453 3 месяца назад
Gotta love how some of theore toxic fan belly ache over Amy being the leader of the Resistance by claiming that it's "out of character" or "making her a discount Sally", and yet absolutely nobody calls attention to the fact that Knuckles being in charge led to half of their forces getting wiped out over a strategy he thought of in a minute and a half. The hypocrisy is just staggering.
@bryanferratt6598
@bryanferratt6598 26 дней назад
"I've got a full proof plan for us to stop Tyrese for good. We're calling it Operation: Die-rese 😊😅😂.
@AngelCam7
@AngelCam7 4 года назад
I have thoughts of Futurama's Zapp Brannigan now... 😆
@jaceon02
@jaceon02 4 года назад
Roy Mustang has come a long way
@doctorstarline5647
@doctorstarline5647 3 года назад
*uses an Idris Elba reaction meme in a video related to Knuckles* You had no fucking idea, did you?
@SGWolfie
@SGWolfie 3 года назад
It was a complete coincidence I swear!
@dad5draco
@dad5draco 4 года назад
Knuckles is supposed to be naïve, he was alone for a long time, that's why Eggman dupes him a lot. He's not supposed to be the dumbest....... At least when Boom did it, it was funny. They did him dirty here.
@toalesovikk7168
@toalesovikk7168 4 года назад
This is extreme insulting. Yet Sega still to this day hasn't learn there lesson. I get it they had to down size the company but come on what the fuck this is careless.
@rescuerex7031
@rescuerex7031 2 года назад
I feel like Knuckles' Proper Characterization would actually be a great Leader, but of course Dumb Knuckles is how Sega is writing him
@iananderson4754
@iananderson4754 2 года назад
the problem with his plan was sending in trained soldiers. they should have sent in more rookies
@bluekel615
@bluekel615 2 года назад
1:29 what a coincedence that Idris Elba will be voicing knuckles
@cb2327
@cb2327 4 года назад
This is why you don’t put teenagers in big roles
@katiacritten9975
@katiacritten9975 4 года назад
Christ I forgot about this. Maybe that's why the metal virus got so out of control.
@SGWolfie
@SGWolfie 4 года назад
Well to be fair, Knuckles had quit the resistance and put Amy in charge so he could go back to Angel Island before the Virus outbreak happened. The metal virus isn't his fault there.
@katiacritten9975
@katiacritten9975 4 года назад
@@SGWolfie I meant that the loses they suffered there left them undermanned for dealing with the virus.
@davidpescitelli8004
@davidpescitelli8004 4 года назад
I kinda feel like some of the other characters deserve the blame as well. Especially with Tails saying it was a good idea.
@skipplayz7577
@skipplayz7577 Год назад
This event sound like it would happen in Archie before the reboot. Not in a main game.
@anthonyrodriguez8788
@anthonyrodriguez8788 2 месяца назад
Hey Archie Sonic characters actually thought long and hard about their strategies to prevent slaughters like this. even in the absolute worst parts of Archie Sonic no one was ever this dumb.
@NintenGril101
@NintenGril101 4 года назад
This video was amazing
@babatunde352
@babatunde352 2 года назад
01:27 Idris Elba knuckels heard what amy said and lost his shit
@jhuh24
@jhuh24 2 года назад
To me Sonic, Shadow, and Knuckles are not the people you have make the strategist for the team. they are the people you put on the field on get things done. Tails, Rouge, Vector, and Amy would are the best choices for commanders.
@devindavis5040
@devindavis5040 4 года назад
hey woofie can you react to thoughts on 2010's sonic games from characters in depth and give your thoughts on 2010's sonic games👍👌😁
@ryanc3609
@ryanc3609 2 года назад
I’m super late but didn’t sonic or classic sonic escape from one of eggmans bases in space and blew it up when there were probably other prisoners
@dont_rememberme
@dont_rememberme 2 года назад
im so pissed off from what they made knuckles out to be. he used to be an amazing character and now he's just a total joke. knuckles seems to have been washed out, along w operation big wave. i actually bought sonic forces about a week ago and i was already mortified at tails begging for a presumed dead sonic to save him as he whimpered and shook in the corner. knuckles just made me realize why the game was on sale for 10 bucks on the ps4 store 💀
@near5148
@near5148 2 года назад
Never do all out attacks
@savoijordan1934
@savoijordan1934 2 года назад
Well no master emerald was mentioned so maybe they revive them on the island
@electromagneticpsychopath4973
@electromagneticpsychopath4973 4 года назад
You made it so fucking easy
@ivanelugo
@ivanelugo 2 года назад
I don't see the part where you say that Idris Elba is going to be knuckles voice
@brian_Austin27
@brian_Austin27 4 года назад
Wiped out probably means defeated not killed 🤔🤔
@GeneralKenobi75
@GeneralKenobi75 11 месяцев назад
No. To "wipe out" your enemies in battle is to mean WIPED OUT. Dead.
@thevoidmagician6653
@thevoidmagician6653 2 года назад
Our big wave, is washed out. *laugh track*
@vocaploid
@vocaploid 4 года назад
Sorry
@healthyminds9279
@healthyminds9279 10 месяцев назад
Holy cow, what writing?
@giovonneedwards8696
@giovonneedwards8696 4 года назад
Awesome
@Nikotinbetyar
@Nikotinbetyar 3 года назад
I think i would rather see him turn into enerjak than this
@kamerondonaldson5976
@kamerondonaldson5976 3 года назад
it worked for elpizo in megaman zero 2.. why wont it work for knuckles the echidna..
@maucazalv903
@maucazalv903 3 года назад
By all that happen in the writting, I don´t even know if "wipped out" mean that they are actually death, maybe just... trapped? xd I don´t know, this is the thing that I notice that happen often in shows, like I don´t known, Trollhunters? "the last one was dismembered limb by limb", for one side there are "PG" implications but in a story that is not PG so they can´t show it and it ended like a (in Forces case) "Well... people are dying in horrific ways... I-I guess? =
@GeneralKenobi75
@GeneralKenobi75 11 месяцев назад
I'm pretty sure they do mean KIA. Sonic games don't shy away from death. And Knuckles Branigan here is the cause of it all.
@DemonDethchase
@DemonDethchase 4 года назад
When you look at the original Japanese script with the correct subtitles, I can only wonder the actual line was. Because Sonic was never tortured and Tails never lost it in the Japanese dub. And just another example of the localization screwing things up, get a load of this little beauty from Team Sonic Racing with Sonic's "trash talking" compared to what he actually says when you play it in Japanese. www.reddit.com/r/SonicTheHedgehog/comments/igyf1x/forget_baldy_mcnosehair_if_ever_there_was_an/
@DemonDethchase
@DemonDethchase 4 года назад
So I looked up and no, it was the same with serious thought of about a minute behind it. I hate Forces...
@inkchariot6147
@inkchariot6147 2 года назад
Localization had been fucking things up since the first game, western Sonic is not Sonic.
@endermapping6527
@endermapping6527 3 года назад
i don't understand why people blame knuckles thats just a strategic error maybe tails would have done a better thing
@GeneralKenobi75
@GeneralKenobi75 2 года назад
Because he's the leader of the Resistance. This was his plan. And it resulted in over 80% of their forces lost. That's more than a strategic error, that is strategic failure. Knuckles is not a good leader.
@theaboveaveragefangirl
@theaboveaveragefangirl 8 месяцев назад
Strategic error to plan in only a minute and a half?
@sindeviltrigger9268
@sindeviltrigger9268 2 года назад
Sonic has stopped being cannon for me after Sonic Heroes. All other games and stories are filler.
@70ksubsbutnovid45
@70ksubsbutnovid45 4 года назад
who told you that you need to do dis
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