Operation Bolo - How the US Won the Air War In Vietnam - COLD WAR

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@skeetrix5577 2 года назад

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@doanhvu9593 9 месяцев назад

you should read this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_of_23_August_1967

@jlvfr 2 года назад

Just an extra note: these early versions of the Sparrow were pure bomber killers; agaisnt agile, small fighters it was almost useless. So, even where it was used, it very often missed...

@jwenting 2 года назад

and worse, they weren't employed as they should, at long range and in pairs per target. Combine that with the AIM-9s being rear aspect only and often confused by the sun or heat radiating from the ground, and a lot of missiles didn't hit anything.

@jlvfr 2 года назад

@@jwenting yeah, we see reports of multiple missiles being fired almost at the same time, like rockets, just so _one_ hits...

@777Outrigger 3 месяца назад

They got much better near the end of the air war.

@enzoacorda 2 года назад

just a slight correction, the graphic you used for the Phantom is actually an RAF/FAA Phantom FGR.1/2. You can tell by the wider fuselage, Marconi RWR on the tail (though some variants did not have this) and the distinctive Spey engines.

@EdwardSnortin 2 года назад

Now this ladies and gentlemen, is unbridled autism (non-derogatory)

@TheDoctorMD 2 года назад

13:00 That would be an Su-7, not a MiG-21. You can tell by the NR-30 30mm gun firing from the wing roots as opposed to the bottom of the fuselage.

@neiloflongbeck5705 2 года назад

A B-17F could carry 17,600lb including 8,000lb externally. With this payload the take-off weight was 65,000lb. Performance was, however, much reduced with a range of only 790 miles at 25,000ft or 1,170 miles at a measly 6,000ft. OK, these are not the typical bomb loads, but at the same take-off weight with internal bombs only the ranges were between 1,910 miles at 30,000ft and 3,070 miles at only 10,000ft. The B-17 was more capable,e than most people realise.

@thethirdman225 2 года назад

Oh ha, ha. Show me one raid where it did that. It comes down to four things: empty but full fuel, full load but empty fuel wing loading and installed power. It doesn't take a lot of research to work out how that plays out and that's what mission planners do.

@brokenbridge6316 2 года назад

Robin Olds is a legend in the US Air Force. His battles in WWII and Vietnam are all amazing to read about. This channel did a great job of showcasing his most successful mission in this war. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.

@thomascooley2749 2 года назад

This is a link to Robin's daughter speaking about her dad ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ALDEXTuttCI.html

@brokenbridge6316 2 года назад

@@thomascooley2749---How nice. Thanks.

@willarterberry3392 2 года назад

actually got to meet him once, he was doing a meet and greet in Reno when i was in town for the air races. Also read his book, man was pretty badass

@brokenbridge6316 2 года назад

@@willarterberry3392---From what little I know about him. He sure was badass. And it's awesome you got to meet the guy once.

@willarterberry3392 2 года назад

@@brokenbridge6316 yeah he sadly passed away the next year around 07 or 08 ish (was just a kid then haha), so I feel even more fortunate

@josedavidgarcesceballos7 2 года назад

Dont get me wrong, I love the kng format, however, your usual format helps separateand give own life to your channelm cheers.

@Patrick_3751 2 года назад

When it comes to their typical subject matter, I agree. But a subject like this, which involves actual warfare and how specific actions are conducted, the KNG format is VERY helpful in explaining/illustrating what happened.

@EK-gr9gd 2 года назад

Great clip! But David is missing. Yes, the early USAF F-4 versions lacked an integrated gun. Its a real negligence, if you keep in mind the USAF had one of the best guns of the era available (M39).

@miquelescribanoivars5049 2 года назад

To be fair MiG-21 (PF, PFS, PFL and PFM) dedicated interceptors could either take a gun or an external fuel tank. While it wasn't too much of an issue for the VPAF because they flew GDI directed one pass - haul ass intercepts, it was a pretty big issue in during the Arab-Israel conflicts of the 60's and 70's. There's also the fact they were stuck with an AIM-9B copy for all those conflicts.

@spartanx9293 2 года назад

no shit it didnt have a gun the f4 in navel service was an interceptor american interceptors like the f102 did not carry guns

@IntrusiveThot420 2 года назад

After TOPGUN was implemented, if you listen to naval aviators, a lot of them didn't care for the weight the gun brought to the airframe.

@markrossow6303 2 года назад

...of course a lot of U.S. bombing just over the border, in Laos on Ho Chi Minh Trail unofficially.... (my Dad's 2nd tour in RVN was analyzing aerial recon photos)

@ekmalsukarno2302 2 года назад

The Cold War, can you please make a video about South Africa during the Cold War. That way, you can explain how the apartheid system functioned, as well as the role that South Africa played during the Cold War. Thank you very much.

@skeetrix5577 2 года назад

Apartheid history ftw excellent suggestion

@tallenta6071 2 года назад

Good suggestion but it could be a sensitive subject

@ShubhamMishrabro 2 года назад

You always suggest good topics which won't come till after some time😂

@Hortifox_the_gardener 2 года назад

With all the shit they did in Angola that would be pretty interesting. It is extremely intriguing to learn about how certain east block countries (cough GDR) sold weapons to the anti Angola/SA controlled forces through intelligence operations to earn hard currency.

@black10872 2 года назад

@@skeetrix5577 You ever heard of Jim Crow? Apartheid basically is the same thing with just one notch up.

@HistoryOfRevolutions 2 года назад

Vo Nguyen Giap once stated: "Confuse the enemy. Keep him in the dark on your intentions. Sometimes what seems a victory isn't really a victory and sometimes a defeat isn't really a defeat. Whether in attacking, counterattacking, or defensive tactics, the idea of attacking should remain central, to always keep the initiative"

@brokenbridge6316 2 года назад

Well that guy definitely knew his stuff. Because it was his strategies that ultimately won the war in Vietnam.

@qarmatianwarhorse6028 2 года назад

@@brokenbridge6316 And the French Indochina War prior to that. His legend was made in Dien Bien Phu, really.

@brokenbridge6316 2 года назад

@@qarmatianwarhorse6028---I'm aware of that.

@miliba 2 года назад

The enemy can't read our plan if we don't even have one

@miquelescribanoivars5049 2 года назад

In a way Operation Bolo was like this for the VPAF. Sure at least five of their best MiG-21's planes were lost but all their pilots survived. In fact one of them, Nguyen Van Hoc, would become the war's Top Ace the following year.

@LJKGray 2 года назад

For a country that basically fought agaisnt the French with stick and stone, The US would obviously gonna win the air war. It would be a surprise if they couldn't. And yet, with all those bombing, they still couldn't break the North Vietnamese people 's spirit

@TheBucketSkill 2 года назад

If you think about it, we just wanted North Vietnam to fuck off with its incursions into South Vietnam and starting trouble with the Viet Cong. But meh, it is there country or they saw it that way so whatever. I guess we want to break there spirit so they stop trying to take over South Vietnam, but I don't see a time where we invade.

@Loppoz56 2 года назад

@@TheBucketSkill but whats wrong with trying to reunified your country, the united states clearly were trying to seperate vietnam apart just so they can have some puppet in the south as a way make vietnam never be unified as one just like korea

@TheBucketSkill 2 года назад

@@Loppoz56 Nothing is wrong with the concept of it, but South Vietnam had to be forced into submission and and into reunification. People truly feared communism for good reason. Even Vietnam had to go through some years of being a poor shithole before they snapped out of it and open up markets and country. Also using Korea as an example is not the best idea lmao. Korean War result is one of the best things America has ever done for another country. Imagine if all of Korea lived in that darkness that the North does, instead they are in top 3 countries and extremely prosperous. South Koreans always thank us for saving them from that. The reason Vietnam did end up in darkness like North Korea is because you guys have no dictatorship or worship of leaders. Yes, you revere Ho Chi Minh like we revere George Washington but nothing like the worship of Mao or the Kim bloodline. How could we know that it'd turn out alright in the end for Vietnam? We couldn't.

@LucMantique 2 года назад

@@TheBucketSkill Glad you weren't among the corpses in Hue, because I'd put a traitor myself.

@AllPileup 2 года назад

Your pronunciation of Thai bases is way better than expected. Nice work!

@Stamboul 2 года назад

A lot of people outside Indochina, both pro- and anti-war, seemed to think the NVA and VC were a bunch of primitives armed with spears and machetes rather than modern military forces armed with the best equipment that the Soviets had to export and led by men of great experience and guile. Even more seem to think so today, with the Vietnam War a distant memory.

@jwenting 2 года назад

the VC largely were, the NVA definitely was not. But the NVA did foster that image by deliberately releasing propaganda footage of poorly dressed women and men wearing slippers or barefoot manning AAA guns or marching with rifles. This was however mostly propaganda.

@jerryle379 2 года назад

Not the most advance but not outdate either ; Vietnam always get second best weapon compare to the middle east who get all the fancy and most new weapon ; even after Vietnam war soviet never supply Vietnam mig23 ; they never supply ship that Vietnam wanted and need just some second hand petya anti sub ship and some osa + torpedo boat ; they also never provide most advance Sam after the war same can say for tank while everyone else get t72 we only get dozen of t62 not even hundred ..

@Phaedarus 2 года назад

@@jwenting The NLF prior to 1969 were actually highly skilled and extremely cunning soldiers. In fact, they had what could be termed as the world's best light infantry at the time. Yes, they had less in the way of resources and wore no uniform but it could be considered a plus to have such a slim logistical tail. They did and often held their own against more heavily armed American soldiers; particularly when they had the initiative. The real danger was fighting for too long as there was great risk of being pinned down and annihilated by American artillery and airpower. This is exactly what happened to the NLF during the Tet Offensive and nearly wiped them out as a fighting force. It would not be until 1974 would they return in strength.

@superspies32 2 года назад

@@jerryle379 And many of them be transfered through China, which some "miraculously" disappeared or be replaced by Made in China stuff.

@geronimozarza8495 2 года назад

Vietnamese be like: Our Battle Will be Legendary!

@blacklight4720 2 года назад

That some impressive animation, dog fight above map which is on the table surrounded by pens and phone.

@50megatondiplomat28 2 года назад

The US did not win the air war in Vietnam any more than it did in Afghanistan, or anymore than the Luftwaffe won the air war over France, for that matter. Because when you militarily retreat from a battlespace, thus ending the conflict, you, by definition, LOST THE ENTIRE WAR. Our military will have no further victories until it realizes this. To say the US won temporary air supremacy over Vietnam would be much more accurate.

@anrw886 2 года назад

Honestly this, our entire side of the world look kinda screwed atm

@koc988 2 года назад

By that definition any time an attacking airforce retreats because the war is over they lost which means Kosova the gulf War are losses because us planes eventually went home because the war ended Goal post moving and not using actual evidence This operation in the eyes of the north Vietnamese people airforce crippled them and they would never recover from this over the entire war this is their own assessment Also what is an air war it is the ability to wage war un impeded from the air an air war is by definition a fight for air supremacy winning a war in its totality is not the same as winning a war in a single facet which you love to simply ignore It is also not the militaries fault for the decisions made as the rules of engagement as you obviously don't know where tight enough that Washington actually didn't appreciate operation bolo and was more afraid of escalation because of it

@jackthorton10 2 года назад

Then what dear Advocate of peace would you call it, a fallacy, a fluke, to any men who fought in a war, I’d like to see you try and manage a war room and tell how it feels managing a Armed Force, you troglodyte

@superspies32 2 года назад

its just 3 months delay and all actions returned to normal. From what I read the Air battles during Vietnam War was a very interesting things, like tricksters trying to outmatch each other.

@stephenjenkins7971 2 года назад

By this logic, there is never a victory in an air war ever. That is an absurd metric.

@enzoacorda 2 года назад

the Thuds weren't exactly fighters, but they did score air to air kills. AFAIK Thuds have more gun kills than Phantoms

@jwenting 2 года назад

well, given that the Phantoms didn't have guns that's no surprise :)

@jerrell1169 2 года назад

@@jwenting Only the Navy birds didn’t have them, USAF phantoms started receiving guns mid war.

@enzoacorda 2 года назад

@@jwenting they adopted the SUU-16 and SUU-23 gun pods for the F-4C/D. It wasn't until the E that the gun was a standard in the Phantom

@miquelescribanoivars5049 2 года назад

I mean, how often did Thud's fly with A2A missiles?

@jwenting 2 года назад

@@enzoacorda correct, and those pods weren't exactly accurate as there were alignment problems (as well as reliability problems), plus their use came at the cost of range as they took up the place normally occupied by drop tanks.

@eldorados_lost_searcher 2 года назад

Col Olds's moustache is still spoken of in awed whispers in the Air Force. I'm not kidding about that.

@sztypettto 2 года назад

Col Old's was the kind of guy action movies of the 80s and Japanese computer games of the 90s built stereotypical characters around. One can only imagine how many wombs were filled by Chad Old.

@black10872 2 года назад

@@sztypettto What's not spoken often is that the first AA four star general led one of the flights, and help plan Bolo.

@adamfrazer5150 2 года назад

Absolutely love the top-shelf visuals, especially the blueprint-style reviews of the machines involved - this level of quality feels very much like a spiritual successor to those programs we used to love, on broadcast television networks that ultimately went for the fast, cheap 💰 It's great to watch something that educates and informs.....but if it looks good doing it ? I'll show up to every class 👍😎

@salammuliadi9200 2 года назад

What about agent orange?

@SecularFelinist Год назад

No thanks to Johnson, who insisted on meddling in the the chain of command. His incompetence (such as enforcing specific routes and altitudes that made US pilots easy prey to pre-aimed AAA) led to the F-105 being the only US jet to lose it's entire production run in combat.

@mahouaniki4043 2 года назад

That's what you got for collaborating with USSR in the 1940s.

@jamesbarca7229 2 года назад

Good video, but I would disagree with one thing. It wasn't that the US couldn't win in Vietnam because they didn't have a "clear achievable goal". The goal was the same as in Korea, to keep the communist north from taking over the south. They couldn't win because they lost public support. The media spun Tet, where the VC threw everything they had at the Americans and were decimated, as some kind of defeat rather than the huge victory that it was. If they had reported the truth, that they had just broken the back of the VC (which would have garnered a great deal of public support in America), the North Vietnamese most likely would have come to the negotiating table. Instead, after Cronkite and the rest of the media spun it as a defeat and a quagmire, the communists realized all they had to do was take a knee and run out the clock. It was the American media that snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

@visassess8607 2 года назад

Even still, with how distrustful the American public was of the government at the time I'd doubt they'd see Tet as an actual win instead of a lie perpetuated by the US government. I think at that time it was already too far gone so nothing, not even the massive victory at Tet if reported properly would've changed anyone's mind.

@tylerbozinovski427 2 года назад

Some things never change, do they? When will Americans ever learn that mainstream media is the enemy of the people?

@thedysfunctionalbiographer3314 2 года назад

VNAF (South Vietnam's air force) didn't use the F-100, they flew the A-1 Skyraider and upgraded to A-37 Dragonflies and F-5A Freedom Fighters from 1969 onwards. The F-100 was used as the main ground attack fighter over S Vietnam as well as a fast FAC over the southern end of North Vietnam because it didn't work out too well as a bomber escort over the North.

@spartanx9293 2 года назад

7:04 the mig 21 pf was inferior in almost every way to the phantom

@Darth_Glorious 2 года назад

The US was content to bomb the North Vietnamese infrastructure but they totally ignored the Cambodian port of Sihanoukville which provided 80% of supplies to the Viet Cong in the South until 70. The US also tied their hand to their back when they agreed the Chinese sponsored Laos neutrality agreement in 1962 which blocked the targeting of North Vietnamese supplies base in Laos territories and allowed their free movement of troops to infiltrate and raid the western border of South Vietnam and to destabilize the rear rural area. Those supplies bases allowed the North to deploy 20 divisions to the western border of the South and enjoyed local superiority. The US failed to protect the South Vietnam because the outcome of Vietnam War were in fact decided in Laos and Cambodian territories.

@tylerbozinovski427 2 года назад

This shows that the West honours international treaties, unlike the communist scum.

@clydecessna737 2 года назад

The US won the air war in Vietnam? Who told you that? The US lost 10,000 aircraft - count them, ten thousand aircraft in Vietnam - these losses significantly added to US exhaustion and abandonment of it war aims. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War

@12mkamran 2 года назад

I believe it is in the context of operation Bolo and not full Vietnam war?

@7proxies 2 года назад

I rarely see people posting their sources. Thank you for this.

@dannyf5339 2 года назад

VPAF rarely intercept US aircraft again after operation bolo, and mainly using S-75 SAM and yes USAF/US navy won air superiority over vietnam.

@koc988 2 года назад

90% of those losses were due to ground fire almost none were due to actual symmetric combat these numbers were more a symptom of the nva using aaa as a means to defend themselves because usaf dominated the skies infact it show how dominant the US was most of your loses were due to the ground killing you and not the almost non-existent enemy airforce

@nguyentrunghieu3597 2 года назад

@@koc988 lmao the 'non-existent' airforce kept shooting down US aircrafts left and right while the US busy attributed those kills to ground fire? Honey if a bunch of your bombers and fighters were down by the enemy constantly through out the war, you ain't having air superiority.

@komlan391 2 года назад

1:02wht happened to Iran

@talkingtree8166 2 года назад

For the record, every Vietnamese history groups I participate, and yes they are all pro-communist group, do amid the US won the air wars.

@miquelescribanoivars5049 2 года назад

I mean, yes? But context is important the VPAF operated around 600 to 700 aircraft throught the entire war. Roughly 200 of them were MiG-17F's which were an upgraded version of a

@rob6927 2 года назад

@@miquelescribanoivars5049 yeah, wondering what those groups are. Contrary to what they want to believe about themselves, the US is actually a very "childish" country and "winning" and being the "#1" is very important in their culture, so of course they can't admit how pathetic it is that the USAF, the supposedly best equipped and trained air force in the world, could not totally dominate over an opponent from the third world, and especially one that literally just built their air force from scratch... That's why context is never considered, only fantastic inflated numbers get thrown around ending in the conclusion "we still won".

@tando6266 2 года назад

"Only people who have never seen violence bother with kill ratio's, you are either dead, or they are, human life is not a game with post game stats to review" Ho Chi Minh probably.

@armyofninjas9055 2 года назад

Hey everyone, I found the guy with the 0.61 K/D!

@jwenting 2 года назад

I want my kill ratio to be infinite, because that'd mean I never died...

@cudanmang_theog 2 года назад

@@jwenting the population of both North Vietnam and South Vietnam at time combined was 40 million. The US military outlets always inflated NVA and Vietcong casualties like double of that entire the NVA total strength, and noticed that the VC locally recruited in South Vietnamese rural areas (very spare and low population density). The US body counts were like "we engaged 25 enemy soldiers and killed 50". The true death tolls of Vietnam War were civilians, from Laos, Cambodia to Vietnam.

@leehaseley2164 2 года назад

Wait, what? Vespa is an American car company and not an Italian motorscooter company?

@floriangallus7760 2 года назад

Of course. Everything is American. Didn't you know ;)

@OZOZOZ968 2 года назад

I’m sorry but how satisfying are the thumbnail covers ahahaha so retro stalgic/sharp

@helloworld0609 2 года назад

"The US absolutely had the ability to conquer the north...". At the height of the Vietnam war (1969), US had 543,000 people stationed in South Vietnam and still could not conquer it. How many more people were needed to conquer North Vietnam? One million? As the failures of the Vietnam and Afghanistan wars show, US has consistently underestimated the will of the local population to fight them. ps. there was an area called "iron triangle" about 25 miles from Saigon that was controlled by Vietnam Cong. US "conquered" it several times, burned its forest and moved the villagers to areas controlled by South Vietnam gov. But the Vietnam Cong were still active there through out the war, and it was from there the Vietnam Cong launched the final assault on Saigon.

@tallenta6071 2 года назад

They could win Vietnam War if they fought like in WW2. Many of US Army is just defending South Vietnam rather than offensive against North.

@jerryle379 2 года назад

@@tallenta6071 like he say you will need more then 1 million troop in Vietnam all time if you conquer the north and we still would fight back after all this is our home land if we can fight the Chinese 1000 year to free our self what made you think you can subdue us ? It was never a idealogy war it was vietnamese wanted to kick foreigner out

@tallenta6071 2 года назад

@@jerryle379 The reason why USA never start a grand offensive it's because they're worried about Chinese intervention similar in Korean War. And in Korean War it's proven that PLA was a match for US Army. But if they do launch offensive on North, many thing could happen, China intervene or North was subdued and incorporated in Capitalist South who might collapse after US leave Vietnam. Alternate history has endless possibilities

@Lyger101 2 года назад

The US didn't want to provoke another intervention with China and wanted to limit bombing to strategic targets only. If the US had gone all out then they could've flatten the cities of the north in their totality and stomped through North Vietnam. But we don't fight warfare in that style anymore cause we don't want to look at all civilians as part of the war.

@Archer89201 2 года назад

@@tallenta6071 another reason was with such a large chunk of its combat power tied down in Vietnam and possibly China, if the Warsaw Pact started a 2nd front in Europe, they would be hard pressed.

@mecenario7 2 года назад

Air kills mean nothing if you can't achieve your mission's objective. Operation Bolo was a tactical victory but had not a strategic impact on the war. Its importance usually gets magnified by western popular historians that search for "cool stuff".

@koc988 2 года назад

Bolo crippled the NVPAF in their own word they never recovered

@mecenario7 2 года назад

@@koc988 They recovered a few months later and kept shooting down US aircraft well into the last years of the war. The records confirm this.

@jerryle379 2 года назад

@@koc988 not really still fly and isn't cripple ; plus air defense isn't that hugely affect flak and Sam still there

@superspies32 2 года назад

@@koc988 Just 3 months, and then everything returned to normal. Air battle on Vietnam War was considered equal in both sites.

@rob6927 2 года назад

@@superspies32 But it was not that "equal" of you take into account that Vietnam was a third world country that has just built its air force, like these were literally the first Vietnamese pilots, against the supposedly best trained and equipped air forces in the world...

@williamlanger9229 2 года назад

I love how China is represented by the little Mao bust, while the USSR is represented by a bear. No humans live here, just bear!

@777Outrigger 3 месяца назад

What dramatically altered the kill ratio in the Vietnam air war was Operation Tea Ball. It was a command post that gathered information in real time from all surveillance and intelligence sources on the location of Migs. Starting in Aug 1972, USAF pilots got a briefing on UHF radioes before ingressing into North Vietnam on the location of all Migs. The US kill ratio for Migcap F-4s rose to 13-1. ... It wasn't the gun or improved dogfight training that increased the kill ratio, but rather a massive increase in Situational Awareness this operation afforded USAF pilots.

@bandygamy5898 2 года назад

Wow, what an amazing consolation prize, glad they won something.

@azypk 2 года назад

This.

@locktite401 2 года назад

Haven't won much since though.

@Grenadier311 2 года назад

@@locktite401 South Korea exists as as a free and prosperous nation. We won just about every large-scale engagement in Vietnam. *Ultimately won the Cold War*. Victory in the Persian Gulf War. Obliterated the Iraqi Military in three days. Wiped out the governing presence of the Taliban in a couple of weeks. Haven't been attacked successfully in the Homeland since that September Day. We're quite proficient at winning battles and conventional warfare. Supressing popular guerilla insurgencies and exiting with a political victory; not so much.

@lehoang3532 2 года назад

@@Grenadier311 War is the continuation of politics by other means. If you do not achieve your goal (ie: why do you start the war), you have lost the war

@Grenadier311 2 года назад

I'm not unfamiliar with that maxim, but then again, I never claimed that the victories I listed constituted immediate triumph in every case - therefore your point is moot. Oh and again, The Cold War = a political victory. That, and the battlefield supremacy (wins) I noted effectively nullified OP's claim that we "won something". Win the battle, lose the war. I get it. I never claimed that we "won" the wars in Afghanistan, Vietnam or Iraq. You moved the goalpost. Having not been successfully attacked again within our homeland might also be classified as a political victory, though won at too high of a cost.

@zhuangsaur227 8 месяцев назад

Hmmm despite losing rougly 1/3 of their MiG 21s why didn't the VPAF just request more MiG 21s? If according to Vietnamese sources all VPAF pilots ejected safely couldn't they have been able to return sooner to fight another day? And wouldn't the Soviets have been able to manufacture MORE MiG 21s and send them to North Vietnam AND have sent MORE of THIER OWN ADVISORS or Top Rated Pilots or Aces to deal with future USAF or USN raids just like in Korea?

@dawightg9787 4 месяца назад

The phantom was a Great fighter the problem was with LBJ administration of the Beyond Visual Range ONLY Doctrine which would make pilots maneuver the phantoms in Dogfights when they was never trained to do this. However when you did have pilots who could maneuver the phantoms they would become ACEs . Captain Frank Ault did a report called the Ault report indicating that the issues was with missile failures and lack of proper pilot training. Dan Pedersen armed with this report stated training phantom pilots at a school called Fighter Weapons school. These pilots went on to increase the ratio from a 2:1 to 24:1 with the phantoms by the end of Vietnam. Why this new phantom record is never Discussed remains a mystery..

@tomalexander4327 2 года назад

Great graphics and animation in this. Kudos to the artists involved.

@zhuangsaur227 8 месяцев назад

Wait IF Soviet pilots got sent to fight also USAF or USN pilots during Operation Bolo or for the matter Rolling Thunder how would it have panned out??? SURELY the Soviets had thier aces and veterans from WWII or Korea just like any other nation?

@tuanskywalker8240 2 года назад

The Americans was far from winning the air war in Vietnam (at least in North Vietnamese sky). The US Air Force and Navy lost thousands of their aircrafts in North Vietnam, that doesn’t sound like a win for me

@sztypettto 2 года назад

Most of those thousands were bombers, not fighters. As much as it feels cool to root for swatting USAF, USN, USMC planes out of the sky - US fighters dominated the skies through out the war.

@2854Navman 2 года назад

Where was the VPAF in S. Vietnam? Oh right, pretty much non-existent. US air power was fighting with one hand tied behind it's back. Remove the politician interference and the air war would have been fought much differently. Would have required different training but it would have been done.

@jerryle379 2 года назад

@@2854Navman they isn't ; they still bomb the airfield and you didn't dominate if we still fly and challenge you and shot down your plane during entire the war ; even if you invade the north you won't able to stay long ; you guy used 500 000 soldier in South Vietnam and can't made it subdue and that + million of South Vietnam + allied soldier ; now image you invade North Vietnam you will need more then million american troop alone and won't even able to subdue us ; just matter of time before america have to withdrew ; we can fight the Chinese for 1000 year to free our self ; we can fight you guy for hundred of year and made you bleed slowly

@2854Navman 2 года назад

@@jerryle379 Yes, you were ready to take as many casualties as necessary to win, that's a given. The point you raised was the US was far from winning the air war. We're not discussing the ground war, stick to the subject. Your whole air force would have been wiped out in a week tops if the war had been run right. Air supremacy was established over S. Vietnam, your air force was no challenge there at all. IF the US military leaders were allowed to fight their way, your air force would have been barely an inconvenience. Yes, our political leaders gave you a decided advantage and you took it, no doubt.

@jerryle379 2 года назад

@@2854Navman 1. We don't have any airbase in southern Vietnam 2. Our Airforce is used to defend the north

@thethirdman225 2 года назад

Remember this about the MiG-17: the F4 didn't have a gun but the MiG-17 didn't have missiles, so it was a zero sum game. The Navy eventually overcame the lack of gun. There were two kinds of MiG-21. The First was the MiG-21 F-13, which had no radar and could only use heat seeking missiles. The later MiG-21PF had a radar and could fire radar homing missiles in addition to heat-seekers. Which MiG-21 pilots were highly experienced? Only a couple made the transition from the MiG-17 to the MiG-21.

@pozloadescobar 2 года назад

Brilliantly told story. Love this channel, keep up the good work folks!

@juancana457 2 года назад

The North Vietnamese lacked adequate fighter pilots, so, primarily, Russian pilots were used, covertly. This Russian covert assistance was 'PAID' back, by the Americans, in the form of cheap heroin, and it's devastating addiction, in sunny Afghanistan.

@InsideYourWallsPhD Год назад

Air kills mean everything if you can achieve your mission’s objective. Operation Bolo was a tactical and strategic victory that had major impact on the war. It’s importance is usually overlooked by historians trying to convince you Vietnam was a crushing defeat for America

@iamnotarobot2378 Год назад

Clearly a USSR apologist Doesn't matter how many tank divisions they had. They had no atomic weapons. Bye, bye Moscow.

@huyhoangnguyen9290 Год назад

Out of all of the air campaigns in Vietnam, you chose to cover this engagement, which is disappointing, to be honest. First of all, the Americans obviously had better fighter planes and training, so winning this air engagement is nothing really special to talk about. Note that the Vietnamese Air Force does not even have the best Soviet planes at the time, as the Egyptians were supplied with better equipment and still lost badly to the Israelis. Secondly, this engagement hardly changes the air war, and not even achieving air superiority, which the Americans should have achieved given their superior military. This shows how little the Americans actually understand the Vietnam war.

@orange8420 2 года назад

Nice animation

@kianfarazmand8733 2 года назад

1:3 why are Iran and Iraq one country in the map?

@andreaslermen2008 2 года назад

I think the plane at 5:33 is a F-101 Voodoo and not a F-105

@billhanna2148 2 года назад

Yep that's right ... pretty rare bird imo

@greatndit Год назад

please make video about how USA lose 15.000 aircraft in vietnam war

@huuduy6977 2 года назад

American win the battle, yeah vietnamese win the war

@nothinglikeasongbird 2 года назад

Ngl I've not seen the video at all but I'm just gonna go out and say I don't think they won any war in Vietnam, actually.

@youngmasterzhi 2 года назад

They may had won the airspace over North Vietnam, but they can never conquer their tunnels

@daviddouillet4138 2 года назад

"The US absolutely had the ability to Conquer the north..." that was said for all other wars the US entered, cheer brut force alone is nothing against will, skill and strategy.

@armyofninjas9055 2 года назад

Tbf, the true application of force was never actually applied. If you think that was the limit of the US military, I don't know what to tell you. For example, strategy doesn't mean a thing if you get hit with nuclear weapons.

@tommakarov 2 года назад

@@armyofninjas9055 yes but the US can never use its nuclear arsenal as it will lead to a nuclear holocaust. The US still lost the war it doesn't matter if they didnt use there full force or not. Also its not like the US didn't use alot of their military strength like napalm

@noobster4779 2 года назад

@@armyofninjas9055 By that logic I assume you are going to tell me Afghanistan was also jsut the US not applying its full potential for 20 years and still failing?

@MrDarpatov 2 года назад

@@armyofninjas9055 Nuking Vietnam would have meant WW3. Neither China nor the USSR would just sit and watch.

@dantheman3022 2 года назад

@@armyofninjas9055 The USA always insist they won the vietnam war lolololoolololololol.........and they wonder why we think they are ignorant !!!!!!

@hmm2206 2 года назад

Why isn't David's face in 90% of the video? Disgusting...

@cubsfan1622000 2 года назад

To say victory in one battle resulted in victory in the entire air war is totally false. The air war when on from '65 to '73.

@greenkoopa 2 года назад

When I hear the word guerrilla I think of militant great apes. Aside from you humans

@vectorstrike Год назад

11:43, just like in the GIJOE cartoon!

@BountyFlamor 2 года назад

When will you guys talk about the Algerian War when you're already talking about Vietnam War stuff?

@sztypettto 2 года назад

That's going to make plenty of people butt hurt in France and Algeria. Give it a rest will you.

@beachboy0505 2 года назад

This video 📹 is very selective. Is it an objective video ? Many North Vietnam 🇻🇳 mig pilots are aces greater than + 20 .

@koc988 2 года назад

Very specific operation not the entire war

@yohaneschristianp 2 года назад

It's about operation boro, isn't it? It didn't mention anything else about the whole war

@majgijoe 2 года назад

Masquerade is what you do at a party. This was called a deception.

@inhcaominhpham9512 2 года назад

The US said they won, but I looked up the sky and asked: where were their planes? Then I looked down and saw them turn into cooker pot to feed our people. What a sight.

@b.ballooon9225 2 года назад

Well 99% of Americans view the war as a loss so I don't know who's saying we won. Unless we mean temporary victories in the air war in which case yah the US did have victories but also losses.

@tylerbozinovski427 2 года назад

CPV apologist spotted.

@inhcaominhpham9512 2 года назад

@@tylerbozinovski427 the US lost it, admit it

@tylerbozinovski427 2 года назад

@@inhcaominhpham9512 I never said they didn't.

@doanhvu9593 7 месяцев назад

In fact , most of america aircraft shot down by aa gun North vietnam did not have air superity.They use aa gun to cause the enemy to drop bombs early(At that time ,guided missiles still has short range).Their air force like guerrilla force en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_of_23_August_1967 between August 1967 and February 1968, the North Vietnamese Air Force achieved a kill ratio of 1.1:1 against the USAF, with the loss of 20 aircraft for 22 victories.In the same period of time, Operation Rolling Thunder had cost the United States approximately $900 million ($5,640 million at 2010 prices) with the loss of more than 700 aircraft

@mchalllldfjlfkj 2 года назад

The f4 phantom II is armed with an internal Vulcan. I think the f4(c) phantom isn't though

@EK-gr9gd 2 года назад

Its started with the F-4E. But they should have made a conformal gun pod, with the M39 and linked to the F-4s fire controls, as an interim.

@yukipaw1702 2 года назад

A lot of people in the US seem to have the mind set of "if the army was free to do what they want, the US could've won the war", do they not think even if the US invaded the North, the people's army won't fight them to the last man? even if things gets tricky, the northern government just retreated to the jungle or the neighboring country and stage attacks from there. Not to mention the US don't even have the resources to occupied the North. This idea required so many "if" to happen that it's impossible in the first place

@tylerbozinovski427 2 года назад

Well perhaps it wouldn't have been a total victory, but they definitely would have been a lot more successful. At the very least, this "success" refers to their ability to contain the spread of communism. North Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia were where many of the guerrillas were able to hide (and also where the main supply routes were), so capturing those areas would make resistance a lot more difficult. Also the Americans definitely did have the resources, but since this was not exactly a conflict in which the entire country was mobilised, they weren't exactly willing to use them. Also remember that even with the resources they used, they were able to win many of the battles. Now that I think of it, however, a better strategy would have been to install a government in South Vietnam that was more popular, leaving only the ideological fanatics and the brainwashed on the communist side.

@davidwilkinson7439 2 года назад

Loved the simulations! Keep up the great work.

@erloriel 2 года назад

Excellent production value on this vid!

@spets4265 2 года назад

Okay, now do a video on Rimon 20.

@Seouldrift7 2 года назад

Operation Urgent Fury (1983)

@AndersBjornTH 2 года назад

Mid episode ads destroy the flow and your brand

@emdenny10 8 месяцев назад

😢 ths s horrible. 3 minutes of ads ?

@ott1887 2 года назад

THUD's took a huge hit throughout the war.

@khuret1773 2 года назад

Wonder why Experienced Soviet Pilots didn't fly any sorties in MIG 21 during Vietnam War ? The Dog Fights might have ended differently

@calvinduke4810 2 года назад

I actually like the ads on this

@cudanmang_theog 2 года назад

Back to January 17, 1833 when Minh Mang the emperor of unified Vietnamese empire that encompassed modern day Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam asked the American diplomat Edmund Roberts bow down before him and demand the United States to pay tribute, on the court table of Thai Hoa palace, Hue.

@balonkita185 2 года назад

Hehe, Operation Cake

@seananthonyegan3395 2 года назад

The F100 Super Sabre was not used by the South Vietnamese Air Force it was Flown by the USAF .

@ginaza9767 2 года назад

That was brilliant. Always loved the look and content of the channel. But the graphics/film cut is perfect for describing air battles.

@The__Leo69 2 года назад

Its fascinating that Mog 21s are still in service of Indian Airforce which managed to take down even an F16.

@AlexanderBogdanow 2 года назад

That's what I'm saying since over 20 yrs naw... U.S. could have won the war earlier than 1970 when they invaded the North and a part Laos.

@yohaneschristianp 2 года назад

But then it'll incite more wars which might prevent what we have these days, peace. RU-vid.

@atrillatheyoung9244 2 года назад

I gotta try that snack box thing. I genuinely believe their product is good because your content is so good. I appreciate all the vids you guys. Indy and gang are awesome.

@Kabutoes 2 года назад

Operation Yolo

@abenalif2147 2 года назад

5:28 i didn't remember any F100 being operated by South Vietnam Air Force

@jvlog5349 2 года назад

Thank you so much for sharing I’ll show Japanese videos too Thank you

@karoltakisobie6638 2 года назад

Did proximity of Chinese Hainan Island to Vietnam play any role in Vietnam War?

@quint2885 2 года назад

The video's title is misleading, as this is one of the few air engagements during the war where the US had a clear victory with no losses. Throughout the entire war Vietnamese air force fighters harassed, disrupted and shot down US bombers, attackers and fighters, with losses in air-air combat for both sides numbering in the several hundreds. The top scoring and the great majority of flying aces of this war are North Vietnamese pilots. With an air force about a hundred times smaller Vietnam shot down over 10000 US aircraft through an advanced network of anti aircraft systems and ground-controlled interception, making every single move by the USAF very materially costly, and undoubtedly having an impact in the US defeat in the war. Losing dozens of aircraft in every flyout while incurring negligible or unimportant losses on the Vietnamese air force and ground defence systems is not an air war victory.

@m2heavyindustries378 2 года назад

...ok, and?

@the1ghost764 2 года назад

Air superiority.

@finwake 2 года назад

A little hot war in the Cold War... Great battle play-by-play. More please. Well done. Bravo!

@pierredecine1936 2 года назад

Excellent Video - stupid "Crush the Bell button"

@hellman9655 2 года назад

This was a great special. Absolutely love your channel, Happy Thanksgiving

@StabbinJoeScarborough 2 года назад

Riveting !

@cudanmang_theog 2 года назад

And some forty years later in late 1873 Minh Mang's grandson, Tu Duc, sent his ambassador Bui Vien to the United States to seek aid against France. The ship reached San Francisco in early 1874 and hardly he wasn't able to meet Ulysses Grant.

@IntrusiveThot420 2 года назад

As an American the saddest part about Vietnam's independence movement is that the American Revolution was an inspiration for the Vietnamese throwing off colonial masters. I'm glad Vietnam and the US are on good terms now though!

@MrBumbo90 2 года назад

Wonderful quality content. You guys need way more subscribers.

@spartanx9293 2 года назад

7:08 slower than a phantom and carrying only two r3s missles

@__hunter__5946 2 года назад

Bolus

@mstevens113 2 года назад

Not known by many, after ww2 ended the British had close to subdued the forces in Vietnam before being withdrawn for political reasons and control handed over to the French. That ended well...

@rob6927 2 года назад

A nowadays overused internet meme, the British didn't subdue anything in Vietnam.

@qarmatianwarhorse6028 2 года назад

Sir, I think you're mixed-up. While Operation Bolo was a successful engagement, winning the air war was something the usaf never managed. Aerial combat kill ratio was roughly 1:1 and all bombing campaigns ended in failure.

@Grenadier311 2 года назад

Operation Linebacker, the strategic bombing campaign where B-52's spent almost two weeks flattening military targets and infrastruce jn Hanoi, brought NV to the peace table. I'd call that a success.

@qarmatianwarhorse6028 2 года назад

@@Grenadier311 No, that's rubbish. The vietnamese were already negotiating and they told kissinger to get lost when he tried to impose unacceptable terms on them and egged on by thieu, the breakaway president in saigon, he encouraged nixon to launch an aerial campaign to force hanoi to come to terms. I read a declassified soviet report on operation linebacker-ii which is the most frank and objective assessment of the campaign in existence. The pavn were low on anti-aircraft missiles at that point but even so, they shot down an eighth of the total number of participating bombers and countless tactical aircraft accompanying them. Furthermore, their infrastructure was back on within months and overall damage to military targets was far lower than stated. The military and their logistics wasn't going to collapse or even become hampered in operation and their subsequent battles with arvn in February proved as much. Cherry on the cake is that hanoi even told nixon flat out that stopping the bombing was NOT a prerequisite for continued negotiations and they would only rejoin on their own terms. Nixon himself voluntarily offered to stop and gave concessions to get the peace process finalized. It was an overall tactical failure and a strategic victory for the pavn.

@Grenadier311 2 года назад

@@qarmatianwarhorse6028 Well, what can I say. It appears that the author of whatever source I read my claim in was either disingenuous or unintentionally erroneous. Thanks for the data and insight.

@qarmatianwarhorse6028 2 года назад

@@Grenadier311 Washington engaged in propaganda quite a lot through the entirety of it's involvement in the conflict, don't worry. Kind of effective, though, seeing as people are still parroting their official line 50 years on. Perhaps they did win the Vietnam Propaganda War :-D

@Grenadier311 2 года назад

@@qarmatianwarhorse6028 Man, I sure do regret falling for the propaganda and lies surrounding the Iraq War. I'll never forget the day when Bush announced the commencement of hostilities. I was at a bar, and the crowd cheered loudly. Shame. Witnessing (from afar) and researching the shit-show that was that war was my red pill. It made a cynical skeptic out of me, and (fortunately) taught me to question almost everything, including the official narrative about that September Day. Not that I claim to know precisely what happened, but too many red flags have been waved. Later, when I discovered that the guy operating the gas station down the street, who was quite inquisitive about whether my YT channel featured any material about that subject, was at one time involved with Naval Intelligence; my newly aquired penchant for suspicion got super-charged. Many rabbit holes, incorrectly connected dots and false trails later, I'd like to believe I have a faculty for discernment and a small, but firm grasp on reality, yet I still see through lens of an ingrained patriotic bias. I love my country and our people, but have lost faith completely in most of our institutions and all of our authorities. Bunch of psychopathic jackals. It's damn depressing, but I would rather know what I know so that my kiddo won't grow up to be lemming. I'm glad you corrected me. Thanks again. Have a good one.

@tylerbozinovski427 2 года назад

What a shame that North Vietnam wasn't invaded. The war would've been a success with a lot less casualties, and I don't think the USSR and the PRC would risk a world war over Vietnam.

@stefanodadamo6809 2 года назад

A country who had been long humiliated and oppressed by foreign occupation should have been further humiliated?

@tylerbozinovski427 2 года назад

@@stefanodadamo6809 And the communists weren't oppressive? Also, South Vietnam was basically equivalent to South Korea, and it probably would've eventually reformed and become a democracy in the same fashion. And to say that the south was controlled by foreign powers (while the north somehow wasn't) is very dishonest, and sounds more like communist propaganda than anything else.

@willarterberry3392 2 года назад

@@tylerbozinovski427 and look today Vietnam are pretty much our friends now, so what did this pointless war ever accomplish besides killing thousands of young Americans and millions of Vietnamese

@bhl9532 2 года назад

@@tylerbozinovski427 the moment you put your troops on Vietnamese ground killed any legitimacy South Vietnam might have had in the eyes of the people. Moreover, USA prevented the reunification vote between North and South fearing a total win for HCM (not very democratic there mate). You could defend South Vietnam in other ways indirectly: training, advisor, giving weapons, etc., putting foreign troops on the ground gave the Vietnamese PTSD of the Chinese, Mongolian, French or Japanese invaders ! Do you think a farmer understand capitalism/communism? He only understand fighting for his country, his people against another imperialist. You made the wrong decision of helping an useless ally. Escalating the war into North Vietnam will turn a regional conflict into a ww, look at the Chinese intervention in 1950

@bhl9532 2 года назад

Many Americans think war is a game where fire power and air superiority can decimate all enemies, but are you willing to risk send your fathers, uncles or brothers to brother to battlefield to fight the USSR and China just to defend a anti-communist dictatorship in South Vietnam. That's right, US politicians don't entertain that idea, that why no troops crossed into North Vietnam