Why should anyone need to flash a gun to not get beaten? Its ok for Trayvon to beat a defenseless person? I dont get it. I hope Jimmy is never on jury duty.
Jim "how dumb are you if you have a gun and you're following someone and they wind up on top of you?" nice job illustrating the justification for zimmerman's behaviour in a single sentence jimbo. he's watching guard, approaches, walks away and then is attacked - exactly when a gun becomes necessary
Ant,at the end of the show, used to talk about how Opie brought the show down with his negativity and depression. This clip is an example where good ol' "Im so fuckin cool Ant" brought it down!!! "GregShells" wasn't the only "DebbieDowner" on the show Anthony!! Lol
@@esotericksoul7156 Someone following you doesn't give you the right to assault them when they turn their back and start walking away. Trayvon was 17.... not a toddler. Your old enough at that point to know not to blind side someone who has their back tou you. Zimmerman didn't know how old he was. Trayvons physical dimensions were that of a grown man.
@esotericksoul7156 And cops never once said that to him. 'You don't have to do that' from a 911 operator is not anything that would require you to 'leave' anything alone. 911 officials are NOT LEO. They have zero ability to give lawful orders. And after all that, still not a justification for a stupid kid to attack someone.
Jimmy's aregument is that Zimmerman is guilty because he "is a dummy" because he waited till the last second to shoot him. Weirdest illogical argument I ever heard, regardless of what actually happened on that night. And yes Jimmy, some people are brave enough, with or without a gun. Anthony hit it on the head, if you look at Zimmerman as a victim, because of the initial "attack" from Treyvon, then Jimmy is victim blaming, blaming Zimmerman for getting hit by Treyvon.
+Billy Bong The argument for Zimmerman's guilt is plain and simply that he is guilty. He created the entire situation that led to an INNOCENT UNDERAGE CIVILIAN being shot to death. Zimmerman's testimony did not match the evidence at all.
Yea. You got all the facts straight, and all the ones i heard are wrong. Sure that's how it goes. Who threw the first punch? Sure it was zimm according to you.
Jimmy honestly does not understand the responsibility of owning a gun. He thinks you can just pull a gun out and aim at somebody's head to diffuse a situation. He is infuriating.
Roger Pedactor He is usually logical but not on this, and I'm surprised Anthony didn't go on him harder, about the gun safety, and you DO NOT pull a gn until the last second. Who cares if Zimmermann is "dumb?" If that's his only crime, what is Jimmy's point? Weird.
leo sky So Zimmerman was wrong for not threatening him? It's the same thing as brandishing the gun, you can't just run around pulling your gun out like Jimmy was saying and you can't just threaten people on the street by saying "I have a gun" regardless if you actually have a gun or not. The whole problem with this situation is fuckheads like you who 1) don't understand how to properly own and carry a gun and 2) who constantly bring this back to race when race literally has nothing to do with it.
Jimmy is just flat out wrong here. Anthony argued his points very well and he's completely right. Zimmerman was correct to not brandish his weapon and to follow a suspicious individual when robberies have been occurring. Trey Von initiated the violence with no just cause, Zimmerman did what he had to do to defend himself.
It's mind boggling how people see this as racist. The only time race was even an issue in this incident was when Trayvon referred to Zimmerman as a "creepy ass c."
Jimmy just makes me CRINGE in this argument. You don't pull gun unless it's your last option, also as a concealed carry holder, you don't escalate a situation.
Jimmy made a more compelling reason as to why HE would be a poor gun owner. He’s arguing with a guy that is an avid gun enthusiast about good gun judgment with evidence clearly coming only from T.V. and Movies. He sounds like he honestly believes that had he been the one in this situation, he would have whipped out his gun at the beginning and wouldn’t be sitting in court explaining why he thought it was appropriate to have pulled a gun on an unarmed kid. NO ONE WANTS TO HAVE TO GUN THEIR GUN!!!!! You almost convince yourself that nothing bad will happen and don’t wanna even acknowledge that you were wrong this time and it’s time to pull out the gun. The actual appropriate time. That being said, I have always and still am split on this thing. It’s just too much in favor of, yet also discounting, for both sides. Everyone picked sides from the moment the individual races were known...... kind of.... Zimmerman wasn’t white, but whatever. He looked like us enough for the MSM.
Michael Bowman I mean, the video covers both narratives. So the reasons I'm split is because I can see the logic of both sides and we can't hear both parties sides of the story. I could see him being attacked and being forced to use the gun at the last given moment, but I could also certainly see him provoking the situation and escalating it. But unless he physically attacked Trayvon, then Trayvon had no reason to attack him because provoking isn't illegal. That's not to say he didn't make it physical first. But that's my whole point, we can't be 100% certain of anything and so we just have to trust that the system came to the correct conclusion. So I'm not trying to seem rude by any means, but how exactly could you specifically clear it up unless you were there? And even if you say you were, this is a RU-vid comment section. That wouldn't make me any less split on it. But I'm more than happy to hear a different aspect from anyone if it's something that is factual and not just an emotionally certain feeling.
Jimmy is so wrong. You may not agree with the specific laws but they are the laws. Ant explained them perfectly, Jimmy just can't understand them. Ugh...
@@jordanwillett8456 Following someone is not against the law. Trayvon was shot because Trayvon blindsided him and ASSAULTED him... while Zimmerman was WALKING AWAY.
Jim Norton seems to be arguing that, contrary to the police dispatcher's advice, Zimmerman SHOULD have continued to follow Martin, after being told "We don't need you to do that". That is the exact OPPOSITE of what every other critic of Zimmerman has been saying. Almost in unison, Zimmerman's critics say "He shouldn't have followed Martin". Norton seems to be saying "Once he started following, he should have continued "The Hunt" until he found him". Seems Zimmerman would be facing criticism for virtually every possible action he could have taken.
Jimmy's hindsight could be used against Trayvon too. Trayvon shouldn't have punched the guy because you don't know what strangers are capable of. Maybe he could've called the police and said he was being followed by someone. When you assault somebody for any reason you are risking your own life because Zimmerman had the right to defend himself. I agree with Jim when he says Zimmerman could've handled it better but I think Trayvon was a big part of the escalation of violence too. If I was getting the shit kicked out of me I would use a gun too. I don't think Jim understands how impulsive and reactive people can be in these situations. Its human instinct
Call Zimmerman stupid, "unqualified", wannabe cop... Once Zimmerman turned his back and started walking away, Trayvon had no right to blind side him and start beating the shit out of him. End of story. Trayvon could have been a white teen and Zimmerman a middle age black man and I would still give you the same answer.
If only people cared more about morality over legality. If rape became legal would you become a rapist? It's legal after all. Just something to consider. The law is fucking shit sometimes. There is no justice on stolen land.
All this time after and all this stuff has come out about Zimmerman. He has beaten and threatened random girlfriends with guns numerous times, he has assaulted a police officer, he had the road rage incident.. it turns out everyone was wrong. Zimmerman is out of control and needs to be put away.
Crazy to me that jimmy’s argument is “if you have a gun this shouldn’t have happened”. That directly contradicts his gun control point. If you believe guns can stop things like this from happening, wouldn’t you be opposed to gun bans and limitations??
Jesus Nortons logic is non existent here in this argument. You can't just brandish a weapon in the open dummy. Zimmerman was attacked and defended himself by taking out that crim. NUFF SAID.
Norton's take here lacks so much thought it's unreal. If you brandish a gun and the guy keeps coming the only next step is to use it - this is specifically why you don't take your gun out unless you feel it's absolutely necessary to either save your life or prevent serious harm. Jimmy is incredibly quick witted but he can be a real idiot sometimes.
I didn't know neighborhood watch guy is supposed to interrogate people walking down the street. I thought you were supposed to keep your eyes open, report suspicious people to the police, write down plate numbers etc. Anthony seems to have an expanded view of what these people should take it upon themselves to do.
+farneyb It's not legal to attack someone for asking you questions. This is a good lesson, you can't go around bashing people in the face when they make you angry. You might end up dead.
But there are too many paranoid, jumpy douchebags who carry guns and want to be superheroes who start these neighbourhood watch groups. He wasn't qualified or trained for this sort of thing.
If your area had multiple break ins that have gone unsolved and you see someone after dark wearing a hoodie and peering through windows...you have the right to question them. You also have the right to defend yourself from someone beating you. He was a giant 17 year old that fought and had some training. He learned the hard way...sucks for him.
I would have been nervous if some Hispanic guy was following me. Trayvon probably though he was gonna get robbed, while Zimmerman thought Trayvon was gonna rob something.
Jimmy's argument is fragmented and messy . . . .but I know what he means . . .He should of said this: Zimmerman's guilt is that he had a CHOICE to not get involved (aka stalking him) . . . and when he chose to follow him, Zimmerman took on the RESPONSIBILITY of the situation and any outcome of that situation . . . If you have a choice, and decide to get involved in a situation . . . any situation . . .you are now at least . . . partially responsible for any outcome of that situation . . that is where Zimmerman is in the wrong.
Seriously, I can’t imagine paying to listen to this crap. It’s not funny or insightful in anyway. If I wanted a straight news report I’d listen to NPR, and if I wanted to hear hateful rambling than I’d be listening to Rush Limbaugh. Even disregarding the racial overtones, the animosity and tension is just straight up not fun.
Disagree with Ant on this one. I believe any good intentions dude had, ended when he left the car and confronted dude. We don't know what happened when Zimmerman confronted him. For all we know, Zimmerman could have hurled insults, and antagonized him. He should have kept an eye on him and called the police. If Martin actually engaged in beehavior that warranted confrontation, then I wouldn't have a problem. Walking down the streets not worthy of confrontation. Jury was wrong on this one.
You say confront/confrontation 3 times. The neighborhood watch guy WATCHED a suspect that looked exactly like the burglars burgling this neighborhood. The evidence at trial proved Martin confronted Zimmerman by attacking him.
I honestly can't believe anyone, black or not, thinks Zimmerman did something wrong. Was it reckless and dangerous to follow him, absolutely, was it illegal or wrong, absolutely not. Even if he antagonized him I don't see how he did anything wrong, this is a free country, you're allowed to follow, watch and speak to people, you aren't allowed to attack them and if someone does attack you then you have a right to defend yourself.
@@michaelvigil3436 pretty sure there are laws on following people, also you either forgot or just want to ignore the fact that the office told him not to purse. So thats two crimes he committed, 1 is stalking and 2 is disregarding a clear order by a cop, but yet travyvon is the one in the wrong...crazy
wow I love Jimmy but he was sooooo stuck on he wasn't trained as a cop n he should shown his gun n held onto it. he kept saying if he has a gun be ready wit a hand on it n threaten him but is saying he's wrong for carrying it n being discreet n concealing it until he was being beating . whether u agree wit ant or not that 1 point Jimmy Harped on made noooo sense at all I love him n got the rest of his points but him saying he should of flashed the gun after saying he shouldn't od followed him he's jus jumping from 1 defense 2 another haha wit no real base for the argument jus changing depending on the convo
This was a tough case, self defense cases always are trayvon shouldnt of attacked him yes but george shouldve left it up to police. Neighborhood watch is not a licensed position to do anything its in the name "watch" this is the same reason why security guards dont carry guns on them
But Zimmerman does have a record for abuse and he was told not to follow treyvon by the dispatch officer he shoulda followed the orders given to him treyvon had broken no laws he was simply walking home
Anthony made some good points, but ultimately neighborhood watch is tasked with Watching. If Zimmerman had stayed in the car and followed in his car, he couldn't have been ambushed. Inb4 libcuck, I get that you can be a 'responsible gun owner' but being a neighborhood watch vigilante and taking it upon yourself to tail someone who is merely looking suspicious and then making egregious errors in how you handle the situation and allowing it to escalate is blatantly ignorant. The media sucks, they were both wrong in the situation...but a chain of errors led to the death of Trayvon.
Dumb argument from Jim Norton. He's not a cop but he had a gun BUT he should have had it drawn on the suspect and shouldn't have allowed himself to get jumped on by said suspect. So he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't apparently.
No shit he says but misses the point. The point is no one is acting like walking around in a hoodie is illegal, Trayvons fault is when he attacked him not for putting a hoody on that day. Idiot.
@@Vurdox oh so you know for sure that travyvon starter the fight? really? please give me your source because everyone else says they didnt see the initial altercation, they saw when trayvon was on top of zimmerman. So if u have some damning info that no one else has please share it with the class or shut the fuck up forever. thanks
Not really. They're both trying to respect each other because they are good friends but Jimmy has no ground to stand on, all he does is repeat the same stupid argument over and over again and Anthony is trying to keep calm and not just ruin their friendship.
How come they didn’t mention the fact that Trevon could’ve been thinking some creepy dude is coming after him and if that’s happening you gotta defend yourself.
I see what Jimmy is saying in a way, from now on we should learn from this incident and make sure everyone in the neighborhood watch and law enforcement is trained to attempt to defuse the situation in a way that at least gives both parties more time to think
I think that Anthony would change his mind now knowing the trouble Zimmerman got into after the Trayvon issue.. Zimmerman had an issue with his gun with his wife, his wife's father, his girlfriend and a traffic issue where he pulled his gun out for no reason... Zimmereman over-reacted with Trayvon.. The kid was walking thru the neighborhood on his way home and Zimmerman over-reacted and chased the kid AFTER he was told to stand down.. Trayvon was probably scared that some guy was following him and fought back and Zimmerman killled him.. Zimmerman should never had gotten away with what he did!! Trayvon was never accused of breaking into someones house or doing anything wrong other than wearing a hoody on a rainy day!!
I don't know the case that much and I'm not from the US but isn't it possible that Z got weird (or even "crazy") after what happened to him and Trayvon??? I mean you can't take what happened later and then go "see ... see...?"
i expect that ppl who cary a concealed weapon r extra careful ab getting involved in any altercation w any1. few if any. i expect, wld follow a teen by car and/or foot on deserted sts & in darkness. i think 1 has to be a vigilante to stalk innocent ppl let alone an innocent teen.
Ant loses the argument at 9:20 when he says "thats the world we live in". Bullshit. Ant never tries to think about things from the black perspective. If Ant was in that situation he would have been just as freaked out as Trayvon.
Zimmerman left the car with the gun to confront the kid when 911 dispatch told him to not do it. That right there makes him in the wrong and completely guilty. He only walked because of a completely insane "stand your ground" law (thanks again, Florida) that gave him a pass for murdering someone, and all he had to do was stay in his stupid truck and wait for a police car to show up if he was so concerned about catching a potential burglar. No, he wanted to play cop and use that gun. Like Norton said, that gun and the gun alone is the only reason he did what he did. Nobody denies there was a physical fight but if someone is following you at night and you're confronted by some random asshole, I can see how and why that would play out, and a kid is dead because some wannabe asshole shot and killed him. Zimmerman deserves to look over his shoulder the rest of his life and hopefully he slips up again and finds a jail cell where he belongs. Get that OJ karma.
Ant was a little crazy on this, trayvon was a kid and was creeped out by an old guy following him, and probably did tell him to go away. Zimmerman should've listened to the dispatcher and stayed home
I love Anthony except for most of his politics and pretty much all of his views on race relations in the United States. He's just so unwilling to see anything but the views he's already decided upon, and when anyone presents another point he just screams like an insane person over them. I don't know if it's his actual views or the way he presents them, but any time they try and have a serious discussion about politics or race relations I can never finish it
