Optimized Solar Inverter OR Micro Inverters

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Hey everyone Dale here with Pacific Sun Technologies. I feel that I’ve talked a lot on battery storage options and solar panel manufactures in recent weeks, but I haven’t talked about solar inverter options because with that you can’t convert the DC power of your solar panels to AC power that everything in your home runs off of.
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@flattracker2902 2 года назад

Can't thank you enough for all your information. I'm a solar broker for one of the leading brokerages throughout the country and I learned so much from your channel. I want to be the best in all aspects of solar. Thanks guys

@fjrodrick 3 года назад

Very helpful; thanks. If I lived closer I would definitely call!

@MySolarHomeUSA 3 года назад

Love all your videos. Learn a lot from them. Keep them coming please.

@mattwilcox6076 3 года назад

I work in the service department of a solar company that is a patenter of solar edge and one of the issues I see that solar edge discontinued are the version 1 zigbees for the comms system of it.

@moto-rambler 3 года назад

Can you use the SolarEdge + optimizer combo or the Enphase micro inverters in off-grid applications?

@MrJohnny952 3 года назад

I love my Solaredge set up !

@samktlau 4 года назад

Thank you for your valuable presentation.

@dalerolph 4 года назад

You're most welcome

@jwrhynejr.6689 Год назад

Thanks for the information. will follow more info from your channel.

@leestandley9599 3 года назад

Solar Edge is notorious for being RF noisy. So if you listen to AM or ham radio stay away Solar Edge. Enphase and SMA are the two quietest inverters according to a paper you can find on the ham radio ARRL website.

@thomajay 2 года назад

I can confirm this is true based on 13 years of installing SMA, SolarEdge and Enphase

@Addly82 2 года назад

I have been looking for this very comment. As a ham radio operator this is more important than having solar at all to me.

@rucidlivian7508 3 года назад

[October 23, 2020] Which is the best one to buy for one's roof solar panel set-up ~ 'EnPhase' or 'SMA' or 'SolarEdge' or 'Tigo'? in terms of best value for money

@Jesse-ly8nl 3 года назад

Hi Dale, thank you for the informative video. I'm wondering if you could share your thoughts on the latest Solar Edge and Enphase Q3 reports - it appears Solar Edge is citing is headwinds and weakness in Q4, whereas Enphase is citing strength. Solar Edge is citing strength in Europe, but it appears their North American business is facing headwinds. Why do you think this is the case? Also, if you think about your orders over the last 3/next 3 months, is it more weighted towards Solar Edge or Enphase? - thank you!

@KeepOnRollinFilms 2 года назад

Great summary, thank you.

@asfentantono 3 года назад

Thanks for the vid. Very informative. I am in the market to install solar panels and if you were operating in Australia I would've called.

@carlosesquivel3050 3 года назад

Why is it suggested to use the enphase IQ 7 plus for commercial on a 400watt panel and not residential ?

@mariusztkacz2834 3 года назад

Pushing solaredge. I will stick with enphase microinverters

@GoldinSolar 3 года назад

Great video thank you!

@markgaudie80 4 года назад

I found this video so so valuable. Thank you kindly 🙏🏻

@dalerolph 4 года назад

Glad it was helpful!

@Mikeyfix 2 года назад

Which 60 or 72 cell solar panel works best with Optimizers for charging a 24v battery bank

@floydbertagnolli944 2 года назад

Thx for helpful info. - There were so many “likelys” in the sales pitch that it left me feeling a lack of confidence about the product. Tell me what is, that you know for sure.

@kellycayson7770 2 года назад

Ok for example if I have a SolarArk inverter I cant use a Micro Inverters solar panel set up with it?

@melalbano6351 2 года назад

Can you have figure prices, that's it necessary or more advantages?

@ahmadabuhani5920 2 года назад

You mentioned Enphase MI 7+ compatible with up to 340 W 11:08, but on Enphase website is up to 385 W. So who is right?

@sc5102day 2 года назад

Is it best to oversize a aolaredge inverter so it doesn't run at max output Like a 10860kw system with a 11400 inverter?

@cr1m203 3 года назад

Great video! however I will take the micro inverter route any day of the week. Easy to upgrade and expand and most of all no central point failure. I love the fact that each panel has its own inverter and if the inverter fails my whole system does not go down. Easy to note is that the micro inverter takes the guess work out of your project for expanding later. Yes I know you can wire string inverters together however I can gain more panels and micro inverters vs the cost of another string inverter and added panel cost.

@winnwinn7580 Год назад

Well said, I don't want any single point of failure will bring down the entire system.

@larrytroy3758 3 года назад

Obviously you prefer solar edge optimizers vs microinverters. You also didnt explain that the cost of wiring Dc vs Ac system.. thanks for the infomercial

@MrGoogle87 3 года назад

Enphase is always capping panels. While for SE you say “5kW system use 5kW inverter” but to compare correctly you should say 5kW system from SE with 3000 inverter.

@AnthonySHeng-on4ki 3 года назад

Great video. If a customer has 360 panels and wants to add 320 panel(s) and/or 400 panel(s) are these allowed?

@dalerolph 3 года назад

Yes, the Enphase system doesn't care about the panel wattage. You just need to check electrical calc. As for SolarEdge the optimizers don't care about the wattage of the panel as long as it's properly sized.

@itop38 3 года назад

Thanks thïs helps me to go to Emphase

@Gendo3s2k 4 года назад

Could these be run straight to a fuse box, and just use it when the sun is out?

@photographe06 3 года назад

For the enphase system which is the only I know, in theory YES. But in good practice, you run this through the Envoy and through a surge protector and a Q relay which listens to the grid. Probably illegal in most countries to not do it this way.

@anatokenutility5425 3 года назад

Can you install for me in thailand? I love your info and objective presentation.

@monaxp606 2 года назад

Today I just got a news about an experiment in France. About performance string inverters and micro Inverters are almost identical. But in terms of lifetime micro inverters win the race.

@andre_bella 3 года назад

thanks, I almost forgot to like and subscribe,

@grenebulax 3 года назад

But what about off grid? I don't want the power converted to ac at the panel. My batteries are DC.

@ayushyaraj4849 2 года назад

DC is unsafe to be sent directly

@michaelcostello6991 2 года назад

Good information

@KeithKyzivat 4 года назад

Pacific Sun Tech - At the end of the video you said "if you have a larger system like an 8kW or 9kW solar system, you'd likely pair it with the 7kW inverter or the 7.6kW inverter from SolarEdge". Why would you pair a larger solar system with a smaller inverter? Is that where the inverter tops out?

@DavinciDME 4 года назад

This is usually because the panels don't produce near the full output throughout the full day. The larger output panels produce closer to the full inverter kW for more of the day making the 'actual' output of the panels a better match to inverter.

@etherealrose2139 2 года назад

Because nameplate wattage isn't what you'll get. Factor in losses straight off the too and the fact that it waxes and wanes throughout the day... you'll never see the full capacity. I'm only at 65% of nameplate on 3 different arrays. C'est la vie

@georgeabiad5937 Год назад

Will need to connect my future PORTABLE POWER GENERATOR to a fireplace fan....extension cord will need to with 2 male extremities...Dangerous... Wondering if you are aware of any solution? thanks."

@johnnyroman4338 4 года назад

So I live in NYC and I'm working with a company now that offering me 47 Lg350N1C-V5 panels pairing with Enphase micro inverter IQ7+. With your Experience is that a good match or should I fight for a higher micro inverter. Thank You

@dalerolph 4 года назад

The IQ7 is good for that module, the extra cost for the IQ7A probably won't be worth. If you were using the NeON R LG Solar panels that offer 365 or 375 watts then I would say absolutely. But the NeON2 will likely never achieve the STC 350 rating and rather hit consistent the NOTC rating 261.

@gohi-suretysun8646 4 года назад

LG350’s and Enphase IQ7+ are a great fit. Each panel can produce up to 2.35kw per day in clear skies in May. Enphase will also help you panels last longer due to the low voltage conversion. No single point of failure! From a 10 yr all brands Solar a field technician Single point of failure systems result in a minimum 4 weeks down time... solar Edge requires a minimum voltage so 2 optimizers down could possibly mean an entire string is down

@alexsoares9892 3 года назад

Did you end up moving forward with your solar project?

@johnnyroman4338 3 года назад

@@alexsoares9892 Yes it did. Thank you

@alexsoares9892 3 года назад

@@johnnyroman4338 how much did you end up paying in nyc?

@kamran5 4 года назад

Very good video, really liked it, thanks so much for good information I got a quote from Tesla for 11.97kW system with Soalr Edge with HD Technology, which is quite a good deal, vs a local installer offering 12.8kW system with 400w panels but Enphase IQ7+ micro inverters. I wont be expanding the system as this is the most I can get based on the house and roof. What are your thoughts? Tesla new price is really tempting, Also don't understand what will 12kW system really capable of producing in real life Thanks

@dalerolph 4 года назад

Tesla is very competitive but we support local business and from what we hear Tesla is very difficult to get ahold of when you have issues with your solar system. We service hundreds of customers that went solar with other companies and they can never get ahold of them after they have it installed, (typically nationwide companies). It also sounds like the local company is offering you something better than Tesla

@petehaidinyak9084 3 года назад

@@dalerolph In my area Tesla subcontracts out to local installers

@richardprice5978 2 года назад

@@dalerolph how does having battery like a Tesla's system's have vs no battery and 💯gird depended or it doesn't matter as much for costs and overall efficiency's? for micro vs all dc system

@electricgreek 4 года назад

With solar edge if a solar panel goes down. Will the rest of the system work?

@dalerolph 4 года назад

No, the optimizers allow for each solar panel to act independently just like micro-inverters.

@billjohnson3344 3 года назад

@@dalerolph Only if the panel side fails (solar panel or optimizer). If the power optimizer fails open-circuit on the high-voltage side, the whole string goes down. Of course, a failure of the main inverter also brings the whole system down. SolarEdge definitely lower cost, but suffers from many potential points of failure that can result in the loss of much more than 1 panel (unlike micro-inverters). Would be good to compare real world failure rates of both, and impact on system when something fails.

@InternetOblivion 3 года назад

Came here to find out the different inverter options available for solar. I made it halfway through the sales pitch.

@andrewschell4805 2 года назад

Here's a good non-salesy video on the different types of inverters. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PFTHG8Pr6ek.html

@etherealrose2139 2 года назад

You made it further than I.

@johnfitbyfaithnet 4 года назад

Do either one replace the charge controller?

@dalerolph 4 года назад

@christophermatessa6949 3 года назад

Cost needs to come down on both, Panel prices have decreased but seems both inverter types have stayed the same..

@dalerolph 3 года назад

Yes, the inverter technology and optimizers for the industry have been flat. This really has to do with competition which Enphase doesn't really have much, there are other micro-inverter companies but they struggle to gain market share from Enphase. As for SolarEdge, they are starting to feel the pinch from other inverter manufactures that have created an alliance to develop cheaper optimizers, so we should see that at least help a little bit.

@healthcareAI01 3 года назад

Hello Dale, thank you for all the videos posted. They have excellent resources. Is Enphase Microinverter agnostic to solar panels?

@dalerolph 3 года назад

The IQ8 micro inverters being released next year will be according to Enphase.

@sorinoprisan8512 Год назад

Do you operate in (Eastern Europe) Romania?

@jimmysmithjrjr Год назад

@6minutes. You receive a newer Micro inverter, and they ramp it down to the level of technology you have installed. Much easier than replacing your inverter.

@gregscott989 4 года назад

6:27..."they, meaning Enphase, are not going to keep producing the older inverters." NOT TRUE! We were an early adopter of Enphase MicroInverters. We installed M190 inverters in 2011. Two of them failed last year...actually they didn't fail outright, they just started to make much less AC power. Enphase sent us two NEW M190 MicroInverters and all the hardware and cabling necessary...at no charge...to connect them right back up to our existing system. Enphase does not still offer a 190W inverter to the public. But they supplied their existing users with BRAND NEW replacement inverters for the ones we bought in 2011. And these new ones are STILL correctly matched to the 240W panels we bought to work with the 190W MicroInverters.

@dalerolph 4 года назад

Of course they replaced them, they have a 25-year warranty. But what you received while appears to be “new” is refurbished. As technology evolves it’s not economical for a company to continue making products they no longer sell and thus they repair damaged units.

@ABC-wz2db 3 года назад

Pacific Sun Tech While this does not address the 190w inverter, they are producing new inverters that will replace M215 inverters that are not, as you say, “refurbished”. Also recently announced that M-series inverters will work with Ensemble in the future. store.enphase.com/storefront/en-us/microinverters/enphase-m215-microinverter-kit

@jameswellman7585 4 года назад

Dale, thanks for the comparison. I believe the high voltage DC, cabling and losses on the roof should have been mentioned. Having first hand experience with weathered installations - high voltage DC is scary stuff. Just saying....

@dalerolph 4 года назад

Hey Google User, thanks for the comment. I would agree with you for a traditional solar system that is not using optimizers. The SolarEdge optimizers are as safe as the micro-inverters because of Rapid Shutdown requirements. That means the second the panel is plugged into the optimizer the voltage is less than 1v usually 0.1v. So that makes it very safe compared to the voltage coming straight from the solar panel ranging between 300v to 480v.

@jameswellman7585 4 года назад

@@dalerolph The optimizes and rapid shutdown are a great feature. Nevertheless, the working DC voltage on the string cabling on the roof and leading down to the inverter input typically ranges from 350 Vdc to 850 VDc depending upon configuration. No problem, providing everything is up to snuff and looked after. To me, there's always that exception. Again, just saying and to me worth mentioning - high voltage DC is scary stuff

@dalerolph 4 года назад

@@jameswellman7585 When the solar system is on and operational Yes DC voltage is scary stuff, I thought you were talking about during the installation process because that's really the only time DC voltage would be accessible since the junction boxes are open and wire is being pulled. None the less we do agree this is something to consider because DC voltage is serious compared to the 240v of a micro-inverter system.

@jameswellman7585 4 года назад

@@dalerolph How true. In my experiences water, snow, ice, squirrels, woodpeckers, insects, leaves, UV radiation and cheap plastics are rooftop constants. They are are always curious and busy rearranging our hard work and creating that unwanted surprise. The less they have to work with the better. Thanks for your service.

@OlGoodJoe 4 года назад

@@dalerolph Are you saying that Enphase also has rapid shutdown where the panels only output 1v per panel when the power switch is off?

@silambarasanbalasubramani8577 3 года назад

Enphase uses their own chips, Solaredge uses ADI chips.

@bobbinsnest 4 года назад

Another note that people tend to overlook is the monitoring app. They both have it and I noticed the SolarEdge is so much more user-friendly. The Enphase is very poorly executed and is very confusing to read.

@dalerolph 4 года назад

Hey Bobbinsnest, we'll look at doing a comparable video for the two. Enphase has updated their monitoring app a lot in recent months and has done a good job at making it more user friendly. SolarEdge has always had a good monitoring platform with ease of understanding. Thanks for your comment!

@omez6900 4 года назад

@jimmysmithjrjr 4 года назад

I have seen both. They looked really similiar but Enphase app looked better.

@vishnukumarnagarajan798 3 года назад

For micro invertor current need to store battery or not.. if not means how can we use in night times??

@evocati6523 3 года назад

Most people run their house off of grid power and just feed power back into the grid during the day to offset the cost of grid power. Adding local storage costs a lot more

@venkatramand 3 года назад

Cannot run at night

@jeffericsson7780 3 года назад

If you don't have easy access to get on a roof, micro inverters may not be the best because they can fail and there will be a cost to have it replaced.

@completelystupid87 3 года назад

Enphase will swallow Solaredge soon.

@plootow1622 3 года назад

I'd like the saleman when he said I am offering you $500 off solar quote, but customers don't realize he will jack up $500 more for the system.

@guidedbygreen1480 4 года назад

Enphase is so much better. The technology is poised for growth , where SolarEdge is a horse and buggy and will be left behind when microinverters continue to innovate.

@dalerolph 4 года назад

Both products are great and excel in their own ways, SolarEdge has announced a some new products coming to market to make their inverters more versatile for customers. We'll be doing a video soon on the SolarEdge Prisma, be sure to check it out.

@rjones93257 3 года назад

I can only comment on Enphase. Expect a losing battle when dealing with warrantee. They have an excuse for everything, non of which is their fault.

@TT-uq8li 2 года назад

That’s my fear going with enphase vs solarpower.

@jimjones7821 3 года назад

down for a week.....or two..!!!!! yikes. i sure dont want you guys installing my system !

@danfitzpatrick4112 3 года назад

When you said enphase went publicly traded.. they were OFF my list immediately! (Profit over quality)

@patmclaughlin107 2 года назад

Most of the stuff you buy are from companies that are publicly traded. Profit and quality are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they are often correlated.

@jmt979 4 года назад

My friend this is a biased review. Solar edge is only 99%efficient at 50% load. And much less on either side of that. 2. Optimizers optimize a string invertersinstall but do not maximize power production. All other things held constant enphase inverters are backwards compatible and produce more power.

@dalerolph 4 года назад

Hey Matt Thro, not sure were you heard that the efficiency rating is at 50% load in testing. We'll have to check on that, from our understanding it's done to the standards set by UL and the NEC and CPUC. As for optimizers not optimizing a string they do improve power production when compared to a traditional string inverter system. They act just like micro-inverters allowing for a panel that's facing east to begin producing power earlier than a panel facing west and vice versa. This is something both systems had an advantage in, and I thought we did a good job pointing that out. The latest 6th and 7th generation micro-inverters are not backward compatible with any previous generation. They use a completely different communication protocol and require a different Envoy to report data, they also use different cabling than previous generations. The IQ6 and IQ7 micro inverters do not require a neutral wire, where all generations prior did. This is why Enphase created the Enphase Upgrade Program (go.enphase.com/upgrade/installers), for customers to upgrade their older equipment with newer equipment since they discontinued all generations up to IQ6 and the newer equipment does work with the older equipment.

@omez6900 4 года назад

@@dalerolph Everybody knows Enphase is a better technology. Just look at the P/E ratios of both companies. Even better, call a local solar distributor like CED and ask them what inverters/optimizers are getting returned most. SolarEdge spent years and millions in marketing dollars gaslighting enphase for having "multiple points of failure" when it was solaredge optimizers that were the units going bust (in droves, may i add). our warehouse is stacked with bad SE7.6, SE10, and SE11.4 inverters. The Solaredge folks are starting to approve RMAs like it's routine. Not a good sign. Investors in SEDG have no clue about what happens in the trenches of solar and it's sad that companies promoting SE can be so blind. I wouldn't short SEDG because all you need to do well in solar nowadays is have a heartbeat, but when the tide recedes SEDG is going to get exposed in a big way.

@alexsoares9892 3 года назад

@@omez6900 totally agree.. installers in my area all flocked to SE because of the lower price point in 2014-15. Then the optimizers and inverters had a terrible failure rate. All those companies went back to Enphase because of the callback rate

@markvaldez9515 2 года назад

A lot of info we don't need and so much adds for some reason RU-vid bombed your video with more then average the adds in the whole video.

@sonny_coates 4 года назад

If SolarEdge is your preferred MLPE- you’re betting your entire company‘s future on a waning technology: Jack Rickard’s glowing endorsement of the Enphase concept -12 years in Electronics design and logistics for DOD contractors including McDonnell Aircraft, Emerson Electric Electronics and Space Division, and Martin Marietta Denver Aerospace.😮 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ABp9g8x2NbM.html

@dalerolph 4 года назад

Micro-inverters have there place, but don't be fulled by the competition. The market will be quick to shift when the micro-inverter evolution slows down. Look at Intel versus AMD, who would've ever thought AMD would be leading the race with 12-core consumer CPUs on 6NM architecture?

@sonny_coates 4 года назад

Pacific Sun Tech I wouldn’t really use that as a comparative analysis… What makes you think the micro inverter evolution will actually slow? Right now there is a pretty big gulf between micro inverter and stream inverter topologies. Enphase Is also experimenting with novel materials… The micro is going to be the size of an Apple TV remote control faster than you think WITH with more power density that it has now.

@rootx7750 3 года назад

this sounds like a solar edge ad.. had to cut it off after a few mins.

@OpenMicReelz 3 года назад

You need to declare a true winner. Even if it’s by 1% Cost Warranty Total Power output Don’t tell me they both output the exact same amount of alternating current.....

@bradleycooper5436 3 года назад

Yeah waste of video. The micro inverters the whole point isn't the damn ac)dc it's the micro controller that seperates from system

@dannywitz 3 года назад

Enphase 25 year warranty, no single point of failure. SolarEdge 12 year warranty, multiple points of system failure. Maybe acknowledge you get what you pay for? It sounds like you might be mis-understanding DC to AC inverter saturation, "clipping" is often mis-used to confuse or mis-direct people, it can and does happen with ALL solar inverters, there is no harm. It just means that for a few minutes here and there the inverter didn't capture every single watt. (fun analogy- think of a tomato plant in your garden, sometimes a tomato doesn't make it to your meal). Real world performance of solar panels is nowhere near STC ratings, by using higher DC watts you can reduce many other costs. Electrical panel upgrades, less racking, less labor fewer circuits. Enphase micro inverters are happy to run at "full throttle" for decades, other inverters will overheat, de-rate and fail early if run hard. Good solar design should have well loaded, or well utilized solar equipment. (one more fun analogy- Do you run your washing machine half full?)

@captlarry-3525 3 года назад

almost 2 minutes of bullshit intro., sales pitch... blah blah Oh christ just say one is a DC MPPT and one is an AC inverter.. warranty scare..blah blah, we me we me blah blah 15 minutes should be 4-5 minutes.