Now that I think about it, Optimus mistaken the Gundam for a Decepticon is a bit funny, because if you think about it the Gundam head is similar to the Decepticons simbol.
(Not to ruin it, but the Gundam would also have been as large as a combiner. That’s why they bring up the “size isn’t everything since Prime has taken on opponents as big a Devastator”.)
@@MrAnt-sf2sk Megatron also transforms into a handgun in G1. I think they technobabbled it away by saying that they can condense their mass or something.
But before he was Orion Pax he was Optimus Prime. One of the original 13, Optimus choose to sacrifice himself into the Wellspring to be reborn as Orion Pax so he could life a life as anyone would.. It was Alpha Trion that knew who Orion was and groomed him to become the next Prime.. Once he confronted Primus, he was bestowed a piece of Primus's spark that became the Matrix of Leadership.
@@Gundam79 A PRISONER in his own house rather, he wasn't hiding in the mansion but being observed by Feddies who had something of a hate-on for Spacenoids but ESPECIALLY for Newtypes.
@@joeysopinion4463 nah, considering DB removes any fighters compunctions against killing, if he _did_ scan Gundam and found Amaro, it wouldn’t stop him for the fight. More than likely, they’d have him assume it was a Decepticon trick and the fight would continue
Kids would get annoyed by the angst and melodrama in most Gundam shows if they saw all of them. If children liked Gundam because of the mobile suit designs, that's a different matter.
The fact that Optimus’ ONLY weakness was given as “he’s too merciful to his enemies” and the main rule of this series is “personality restraints against killing are removed”... sorry, Amuro.
I mean, we have materials stronger than titanium that are lighter, just adding aluminum to titanium produces a far stronger alloy that is lighter per cm cu due to the aluminum being lighter. Magnesium alloys are also ridiculously strong and lighter than both pure titanium, and many common titanium alloys. Also, while titanium is great for making tough, temp resistant aircraft skin, it's worse than steel in every respect as ballistic armour. Hardened steels are much more resilient overall. Titanium gets a bit too much credit, it has its applications, but it's not a replacement for steel.
Even People are forgetting that IDW Optimus Prime is possibly multiversal. He’s taken on Regenesis Shockwave who had the ore-13 core to control universes. And Nova Prime controlled the Dead universe carried with multiple universes.
Which he should have won considering the true scale of IDW, but they decided to pick and choose his feats for the battle so Dragon Ball could finally win one.
Just like how I bought a Gundam toy when I was a kid only for it to break after just touching it's arm Needless to say I never want to do anything ever again with Gundam and seeing Optimus win was the one of the greatest death battle episodes ever
Right? TF Prime or Bayverse or even TF Cybertron would’ve been all much more fair fights for Amaro, but they went for the one that *can and probably would kill Robot God's brother, Robot Satan.*
@@Cybertronous bayverse Prime would still not be counted because his strength is City level at most whereas G1 was pretty much an anime and optimus could if he was so inclined punch two planets away from each other
@@Hakaishi00 Gundam is vehicle in metaphor and function. If I send a letter in the mail, the envelope is a vehicle for the letter. Cybertronians don't only turn into vehicles, they can turn into animals, cities, planets, combiner parts or chose not to have a 2nd form like Alpha Trion did. Scourge has scanned Optimus' robot mode in RiD proving they can copy other robots.
@@LegendaryAntiHero okay thats new, but gundam isnt a vehicle. its a war machine. vehicle isnt something that you took to a war, vehicle is a daily used machine to go to your destination. while gundam can do so, gundam is used for war not for every day life routine, so not a vehicle.
He should be thankful he wasn't up against any of the actual top contenders in the Gundamverse. Like anything with a Psycoframe, Turn Nanites, GN Reactor, etc.
Don't be silly: Amuro vanished into the mysterious rainbow aura again. He only conveniently comes back out for fights like these, or _Gundam Build Fighters: Battlelogue_ episode 1.
To be fair that human blew up the ark carrying most of the autobots. Optimus simply executed the guy who recklessly murdered his closest friends and allies.
Actually, both of u are off. While they were definitely presenting a OYW Amuro (15-16) (Sayla on comms. also is a dead giveaway), they gave him his AEUG pilot suit for whatever reason.
Did anyone tell Optimus that theres a human pilot inside the Gundam? "Optimus! NOO!! There's...Theres a human inside that thing!" Optimus: ... *OHH SHHHHHHHHHHH-*
Actually optimus primes toy was Japanese, Optimus Prime the character is all US made mate, everything about the character, his personality, his abilities was all made in America.
@@JurassicKM Except that still doesn't fit his personality, they LITERALLY ignored his multiple second chances because he has just outright killed before G1 has a god damned body count. The only one he had trouble killing was Megatron because when he was Orion Pax guess what he knew Megatron. Also speaking of G1 I love all the one off feats they bring up for optimus but ignore that the rx-78-2 was only repaired around twice in the whole series meaning it's durability is much higher than they are saying because it tanked that explosion at the start and went for a much longer time before getting repairs because the ship Amuro was initially on did not have the supplies required to repair the gundam. They also ignore the fact that despite the millenia of diference in experience Optimus falls for feints that are super obvious while Amuro thanks to precognition can see around them, see him defeating Big Zam with no ability to see it by the end.
If you say that the enemy is too fast in an action anime, you are basically setting yourself up for defeat. No really, it’s a death flag at this point. (not necessarily, but definitely defeat)
The second I get I mean that was Sideswipe’s jetpack not Prime’s, but I think it would be accurate to say that Optimus could match the gundam. The first one yeah you’re right, but when the leader of the Autobots was the one who attacked first maybe but this wouldn’t happen realistically. The third I don’t understand what you mean.
6:38 when he is back to the wall when all hell's breaking loose he'll fight to the end riding the eye of the storm Megatron: prime Optimus prime: one shall stand and one shall fall
@@timeforgottenprince8271 I'll try and find it but it's in the finale of Transformers Cyberyron/Galaxy force (which has one of the most 'OP for the love God please nerf' versions of Optimus Prime)
I've looked at the fight again and I don't see where a moon got destroyed. Not saying it didn't happen but it's not showing when he deflected a blast from Galvatron. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HsHX2W8cwBA.html
Don't forget the Transformer Prime incarnation of Optimus could be just as vicious towards Megatron and the Decepticons starting from the tail end of the first season. From that point forward, he seems to take any chance he can get to finish Megatron once and for all.
First transformers movie: "Ironhide, we do not harm humans, what is with you?" Transformers age of Extinction: Optimus blasts away a rogue CIA official.
After four years I still think this is one of the best episodes they made. The music, the animation, even optimus voice actor; everything is just so on point. Just epic!
@@arnaldoalange3869 It's up there. Still one of my 3 favorites (the other two being the Homelander vs Omniman, and Kings of Infinity from Darkseid vs Thanos is still number 1)
@@nemueru I was sticking with Gundams piloted by Amuro, but if we open up virtually anything, 00 Raiser with Innovator Setsuna at the helm, or Quan[T].
@@XericSol yeah the reason I didn't want to go with Nu Gundam because the funnels wouldn't work in Earth's gravity, and 00 units? Nah they're gonna be too strong for Optimus, and they heavily rely on the gn-drive lol
That's what has me the most excited for DD vs Nightwing. I'm a huge fan of both characters and they are so evenly matched in a lot of ways, but also have edges over each other that will make the fight interesting with Nightwing having his technology and equipment and Daredevil having his superhuman senses and his radar sense.
Fighting with honor doesn’t mean fighting unintelligently, many fighters would considering not using every available strategy as more dishonorable than some “sneak attacks are cheap” code of honor, because using everything you have means you respect your opponent as an equal
Yeah well, that’s optimius character. He is your typical heroic súper strong and cool and honorable líder but the things that set him apart from the archetype are: -he takes doing the right thing REALLY seriously, it’swhat he's talking about when he says honour, and he'll literally kill himself is he feels like he has failed in this regards -he takes winning against evil equaly seriously to the point where he'll use his dead comrades as a meat-shield and stab an oponent behind him by impailing himself. So yeah, sneaking up on an oponent is very much in character
Seeing Optimus fight in such a brutal way makes me want Megatron to appear in a DB. Edit: Got Megs and Freeza. Really wanted both to show up but not necessarily against the other.
@@OmegaSenshen They explained this during their Q&A podcast. Paraphrasing from them, they said that the Gundam has a high heat resistant cape or something of the sort that makes reentry possible. The only reason this was not shown in the fight (although yes, it is a very prominent flaw in the pre-analysis) is because it got cut.
Optimus upon seeing blood in the wreckage “Is that...a human?” Stands up, defeated sigh “Lugnuts” Blows brains out BONUS TWIST: gets convinced humans are evil for making a robot to take him down, Skynet happens. Result? Transforminators. Someone get me a movie studio
For me, a big problem with such comparative data/fights is how the series/world is built/conceived. As an example Transfromers was created as a Super Robot series and Gundam as a Real Robot series. Thus, the Real Robot series tries to stay closer to reality and explain the technology used, Super Robot series subordinate everything to the narrative and "cool factor". So a fair or equal comparison is difficult by the approach of the worlds themselves. (Translated for German thru Goggle-Translate.)
While I like to think Transformers is Super Robot And Real Robot combined because it can be very realistic with stuff like Last Stand Of The Wreckers and it has deconstructed it's own tropes like the Combiners. And it also can show realistic effects like that the War Between the Autobots and Decepticons causing us humans to distrust the bots, the fact it involves a multiverse and have Robot God's and Demi God's makes it more Super Robot than real robot.
I would rather have characters to not fight one another in causing the multiverse to be disordered, but I would like some to overcome those who search for trouble for no Real reason
This was a difference in pure experience. As a fan of both Transformers and Gundam, it’s hard to accept Amuro’s loss, but it makes sense. Optimus had plenty more experience than the White Meteor. Now, if Amuro was piloting either the Nu Gundam or the Hi-Nu Gundam, then he would’ve had a significantly larger chance, due to the Deus Ex Machina BS the Psycho-Frame can pull off, but that would possibly be countered by the Matrix Of Leadership
@@FukubeHattoriName a feat that Amuro had accomplished that was greater than Optimus surviving a devastating explosion that could be seen from fking space, without a single scratch.
As a fan of transformers and Gundam... I think they cheated here. I mean the gundam fired 27+ shots, optimus killed the gundam with the matrix of leadership somehow, and they used the noncanon IDW comics optimus, who is so brokenly overpowered that nothing can really win against him. It *would* have been fair if they only sticked to the original shows like they did with Gundam.
Already been done, in the comics. Hundreds of times, Unicron ate him, everytime. Though that's back when marvel owned transformers, so take that as you wish.
@@lesleygalvin3239 Depends. G1 Bumblebee was kinda defined by being weaker than the other Autobots, but modern versions, like the one in TF: Prime and Robots in Disguise (2015) and particularly the movie version (guy takes a page from his Beast Wars descendants and reassembles himself after getting blown to bits) would qualify.k
HaltessiaGaming Yeah, Like Don’t get me wrong Optimus knows how to throw down if he needs too but he has always been more of a diplomatic character than a warrior.
Yeah, I could see how a giant robot who thinks, feels, and fights just as, if not more efficiently, as a human could easily beat a real human piloting any man-made giant robot, due to how much more advanced, agile, powerful, and experienced Transformers are.
That’s not as much of an advantage as you think. Optimus cuts down on the reaction time because he doesn’t have to input controls, he just moves his arms. However, losing limbs, being impaled, getting shot, etc would be a LOT worse for the bot since he actually feels the pain. Not to mention he’s got a lot less dead space in his chassis since he’s got biotech components critical to his functions. You take off a transformer’s head and most of them will die. Any gundam will either be blinded or just have more limited vision as secondary cams kick in but will still be able to fight. Transformers also have to heal naturally (for some things, most can be repaired), whereas a suit just needs repairs and can eject the pilot if it takes too much damage.
...The thing that no one seems to really be talking about is... well... Amuro's a human piloting a much larger body. There's a certain disconnect of sense perspective that without a direct mind uplink, can't be avoided. Experience helps bridge that gap, but that's the mind making shortcuts and educated guesses. Optimus IS a literal giant robot. That's his default. He just knows how to move on those scales in way that Amuro can only guess at.
You got the touch You got the power Yeah! After all is said and done You've never walked, you've never run You're a winner You got the moves, you know the streets Break the rules, take the heat You're nobody's fool You're at your best when when the going gets rough You've been put to the test, but it's never enough You got the touch You got the power When all hell's breaking loose You'll be riding the eye of the storm You got the heart You got the motion You know that when things get too tough You got the touch You never bend, you never break You seem to know just what it takes You're a fighter It's in the blood, it's in the will It's in the mighty hands of steel When you're standing your ground And you never get hit when your back's to the wall Gonna fight to the end and you're taking it all You're fighting fire with fire You know you got the touch You're at your best when when the going gets rough You've been put to the test, but it's never enough You got the touch You got the power Yeah! You got the touch You got the power And yes, I did copy and paste this.
@@carrotcake6088 actually hes the same as Unicron with Alternity Which is a hyper evolved version of classic Autobots that gives them the same powers as Primus and Unicron (who both used to be the same in every aspect of the Transformers Multiverse) Meaning, that they're slightly above universal, like roughly multiuniversal
yeah he's planet level no way this basic junk gundam can wipe him they need to use those super death gundams that can blow up planets to face him like Turn A or super hax
If a G1 Optimus can pull this off, imagine what a full power Optimus from Transformers Prime can do in this fight... Worse if it was the Beast Hunters version of Optimus.
I don't know what people were expecting in a Real Robot vs. Super Robot fight lol It's like pitting a regular fighter jet and a Star Destroyer against each others
@@Rockden Ehh they're not really outliers imo. Gundams from the main Universal Century timeline and alternates like G-Reco and Seed could shred Optimus. The main outliers would be Turn A / Turn X since Moonlight Butterfly by design should wreck all of the Transformers and Cybertron with no effort. The Gundams from the early period in the timeline like MSG / 8th MS / War in the Pocket / Stardust Memory would get destroyed by Optimus, though.
They've been saying for years that they will do this. Now the important thing to remember is the Unicron is a multi-dimensional being. All versions of Unicron share the same mind. (also he only has one weakness, one that Galactus doesn't have available.)
I’m sure that *Peter Cullen (voiced Optimus Prime/The Predator 1987)* and *Frank Welker (voiced Megatron/Fred Jones)* would approve this outcome. _They should do a live reaction for this video._
@@tamashironin2932 If the fight was against any other Gundam that has Super Robot levels of feats, then maybe there can be an argument for it, but against the one we call "Granddaddy" RX-78-2, it's a squash for sure lmao Optimus is some cosmic Super Robot-like sentient being of some sorts while the RX-78-2 is a Real Robot which typically pertains to mechs still grounded in some form of reality, made by humans and piloted by humans.
@@mindyauron9137 combat experience doesn't matter if the first stab from the Gundam sword in this battle should have killed Optimus, hell the first shot on Optimus should have ripped through his arms and chest
Probably one of the most accurate outcomes and reasoning why. Love it. But now imagine IDW Shockwave vs any Gundam.... I don't think anyone here knows how busted IDW Shockwave is... Literally being pitted against all 13 primes and being said to win anyway
IDW Shockwave isn't insanely strong, but dear God he's comically smart. Like no joke, without him? NONE of the events in the series would have ever happened.
@TheGrimoiresVoice "Isn't insanely strong" He was able to defeat Optimus and Megatron, both of which scale to multiversal via Feats. He was only defeated after he realized what he became and wished to turn it back. Low balled IDW Shockwave is low complex multiversal. That is insanely strong, and that's just low balled.
