"Send off ruined the game". Tip - don't do something that gets you sent off. Pick Mitchell and you'll have another game where NSW will be down to 12 men for 60 minutes. And possibly pick a captain who plays more than 30 mins? Funny how Maguire hasn't copped any criticism for the way NSW played and his game management.
Hats off to you gents for keeping the player-bashing out of it today. I will say this - Nico got slammed for his play at right centre last year. WHY did the coaches and captain allow him to be carved in exactly the same way for so long again?! Baz for the blues. Just a point with cobbo on the bench...if you have a standard bench and a back goes down you're in strife unless you can activate no. 18. Put an appropriate back on the bench though and you will always have the cattle no matter the situation. If you activate 18th man with an outside back in your 17 then you've got the boxes ticked automatically.
Kalyn Ponga was inches away from being medically retired due to head knocks recently. How many more hits to the head and failed head assessments can someone like Reece be expected to take, before people start talking that way about him? Player's careers are at risk here, and people are upset that 'it ruined the game'? WTF. That has to be a send off every time if we are going to take this seriously. Too many more hits like that can put a player's entire career into question. Origin or not, the brain doesn't know the difference. That 'slip' is nothing. Watch the footage again. His head does not get closer to the ground from the moment he plants his right foot to the moment he gets hit in the head. He was going to get knocked out regardless.
CTE is too big of an issue now to be ruling concussions differently to regular NRL rounds. I understand the passion, but Myles needed to keep his mouth shut. There's nothing more cringe than a trainer or official chirping to a player. I said the same when the Penrith trainer was doing it. If you're not on the field, zip it.
@shane1899 What a ridiculous comment. He was out as soon as contact was made. Just like a boxers punch. Hopgood was hit with just as much force, where was the concussion from the whiplash there? There are rules to minimise risks, and direct, forceful contact with the head is one of them.
@@shane1899100% and that’s why boxers suffer so much. It’s the 100,000 jabs they take over their career from training and fights that do the cte damage, not the handful of hooks / crosses that turn your lights out.
@@shane1899 Bro, a concussion is what causes CTE. A concussion can come from frontal trauma or a whiplash effect. It's the same thing. Both cause the brain to bang against the inside of your skull. In this case, what caused the concussion was the blow to his head. The game has to take precautions to minimise risks or there won't be a game. His shoulder landed flush on his head at high speed and he left his feet. It's a send-off every day of the week!
So what you’re saying is that a player should be able to take a player out of the game, by performing an illegal tackle, and then turn around and continue playing 10 minutes later? Is that really the way NSW fans wanted to win that game?
Willie Mason, I love him as a player - but he’s from a different time . . . Times are different now, that’s just the way it goes. It’s a send-off. It’s bad luck for Suaalii. But these old knuckleheads need to keep up with the times.
Say hypothetically it was just a sin bin. Then what would a bloke have to do to get sent off?? Future games will have designated hit men to injure the playmakers and then be happy to sit out for only 10 minutes. This has only become a discussion because he did it in the 7th minute, if it was anytime after the 50th minute blues wouldn’t even be arguing the grading. It’s a clear send off every minute of the game. Suaalii chose to risk a big shot early and the responsibility is on him to get it right.
I totally get where Mase is coming from a fans stand point but it’s about consistency!! This comes down to Suali’i and his attention to detail when making that tackle. If Walsh gets back up right after the tackle then yes yellow at best but the bloke was nearly decapitated and was seeing stars. Yes it’s Origin but it’s not 1978 anymore. Accountability lad’s accountability.
Do send offs become 20 mins with 12 men in origin, since it’s best of 3. The player doesn’t come back but a bench player can come on to make it 13v13 after the 20 mins and the bench is limited to 3 for remainder of game.
@@nz.co_2332 not about win or loss. It’s the biggest revenue maker in the league. You don’t want to hurt the product. Nrl wants people tuning in not turning it off after 7 mins in.
Tech no.1 poddy..Maso the MCGovernor pinching the NFL games as well...did you go to Nfl preseason at Accor in 1999 Broncos Chargers? 110000 old wide stadium format soldout as well mate
Boys Blues lost the Game doesn't mean Nsw can't win the next 2 games im Kiwi the Difference with Queensland and Nsw... is Queensland play for there State and Fans and Nsw play for the Money i would of picked Burton over Joseph why cause hes going too rugby....And come on boys weather hes slipping or not that was the Head...
If you aim under the ball like a proper tackling technique, then you don't have an issue. If you aim above the ball and the attacker slips, you are going to get in trouble. Throw in that you have 2 players running at speed towards each other, and then things can easily go wrong.
They don’t make them like the OG triple OG any more. The excitement levels of playing your first test, Then partying with uncle Wiremu after would have made memories that nobody would forget! Being Kiwi myself, I remember thinking, fuck, the OG Afro rocking man mountain looks like a vibe. Backing up from test/origin would be tough. But keeping up with unky on a late night on lash would make it worth it!
I reckon where there is a HIA from an incident like Wednesdays SOO - Sualii should be sent off for 15 minutes (HIA assessment period) and if Walsh returns so does Sualii. If there is no intent and Walsh does not return, then Sualii stays off for the game but they can replace him with the 18th man. When a player from the run-on side is taken off, the opposition should also lose a run-on team member (the player at fault).
100 percent a send off, the blues knew what they were doing they definitely talked about trying to take out walsh like they tried last year, it was the blues plan and they only expected a sin bin as seen in the facial expressions from them before the decision, deserved send off, trying to cheat and win NSW. If it's a sin bin you are encouraging those tackles in the future good decision no matter what side it happens if suaaili wants to smash him he needs to tackle properly like martin not shoulder charge and headshot.
The rules are the rules, the game has been heading in this direction for the last 10/15yrs. Regardless if it happened in the 7th minute or the 73rd minute, Walshy died on that field. Walshy shouldn’t have contact for 30 days minimum, just like in MMA. For the contest of the game and for the fans, you have to protect the players and be consistent with the rules. League is a contact sport and needs to be ruled as one, not as touch footy
Geez boys a week in rugby league is a long time. Warriors just knocked off panthers and dolphins going into the bye. I’m taking on OG warriors 13 plus may the best man win 🤝
I think 10 was sufficient but what they should do is send Suaalii off but NSW should only be down to 12 players for 10 mins of the game and allow a bench player to take his place That way Walsh and suaalii miss the rest of the game and qld get a 13 on 12 advantage for the incident
You cant blame the ref for the decision or the players so much for thier actions but should be looking at the game plan set by the NSW coach... We would of preferred 13 on 13 as well as Washes contribution to the game..
Suaalii decipline was not Origin level. Had he had more decipline, he would have made his tackle lower. Yes he would have made a beautiful tackle had Walsh not slipped, but he also would have made a beautiful tackle of he aimed lower regardless of Walsh slipping... But he lacked decipline and wanted to destroy Walsh to get him out the game, but instead ruined it for his own team in the end. Origin is a game with the BEST of the BEST players. They need to be professional at a top peak level and these mistakes are not acceptable for this level of proffesionalism. Liam Martin is a good example of hurting your opponent LEGALLY ... very proffesional !!!
I think the rule is just cooked. When someone gets sent off, the team should be down from 17 to 16, but still keep 13 on the field. On the other hand, if your player gets injured you should always be able to replace them with reserves.
If I am NSW, I pick Moses at 7 (he is a much better kicker than Hynes and much more confident a player). I pick Drinkwater at 1 (he has literally double the number of try assists and linebreak assists to Edwards and does so in a team with a halfback in the top three for try assists as well). Both of those picks dramatically improve the try scoring potential of NSW
If it was Teddy or Hynes who went down...NSW would be blowing up Deluxe if the QLD tackler didn't get carded. Simple. It's a send off regardless of minutes into the game. It's a black and white rule
You could have called it a shoulder charge to boot. Willie say it wasn't a proper shoulder charge? Cmon Will the half pie one done on purpose is a pro move and cop it sweet when you get pinged - JS shouldn't need to do silly things but he seems to over and over again. Like knee lifting for example.
“Tackle was fine”, you having a laugh! Missing the point that QLD had to play without one of the best players in the world due to the wreckless tackle.
Ben Hunt and Dally Cherry Evans score tries themselves and set up tries for teammates not by kicking last 2 years and yesterday, their opposing number is hynes and reece robson, can hynes and robson do for their team same as cherry evans and hunt do for theirs? and then the full back tedesco 1 try, fidow 3 tries and saved 2, remember for NSW first time with this coach, first time with players on debut, over matched, in time keeping the same team their synergy will get better
For me when that poor young bloke was sent off, i would have told the refs, call off the game. It's over. We came here to watch a 13 on 13 match up game. Watch a good fight. Ref just killed the game. But what about us the loyal fans? We need to protect the brand.
I loved SOO because of the 80' Rugby League. Now we all professional, that was a professional tackle at the wrongest time... I watched King Wally play with 11 men... No NSW could be king... Sad
Coming here after watching the Bulldogs game. The Dogs shit sandpaper for warmups. In play bettors must have love/hated that game. Team that scores first wins the game ~57%ish of the time. Check Eels Team that scores first wins the first half ~68%ish of the time. Check Eels Team that wins the first half wins the game ~70%ish of the time. Check in Eels favor going into second half. Team that scores first in the second half wins the half ~70% of the time. Check Eels. Bulldogs, "Go fuck yourself." Ish on the stats because they are my own stats for betting purposes, so not official, and they are for the season, not lifetime or anything like that. Add on the moments Dogs shot themselves in the foot, add on the Sin Bin. That's a big win for them going into the back half of the season.
I am a new Wales supporter but u can't excuse what happened it was a send off the player was knocked out , if that was a queenslanded that knocked out Tedesco u would be screaming for that Queenslanded to be sent off and u know it
NSW cant even understand the rules of the game then how can we expect them to win games. That's a sent off all day everyday. Stop acting as if someone rob you guys. The tackle is forceful contact to the head. That's sent off everytime. If NSW was looking for someone to blame prolly go for Sualii. He did the tackle and it was reckless. QLD was way too ahead. Billy Slater putting Cobbo on the bench because they already know how NSW will play Walshy. That alone tells everything you need to know who'll win the Origin Series.
Respectfully, the only person who ruined the contest was Sualii. Unfortunate and hate to see it but it’s true. Went for a massive play and just got it wrong. QLD still win regardless IMO. The first try was a pretty good indicator of that. DCE and Hunt like a fine wine.
I am a Queenslander. I hated watching a game with a send off so early. I disagree that we’ve seen worse ones this season. I also disagree about the “slip” argument. I feel as if he leant back at speed to give himself more room to get the pass off before getting smashed. You’ve got people like Benny Elias saying pretty boy Reece is going to get destroyed by Madges team and I think NSW had it drummed in them all week to kill him legally. I think if play silly games you win silly prizes. The only way teams have figured out how to handle Reece is by rushing him and hurting him. The exact thing Penrith did to him and injured him for.
@@44shots6worldsyeah I do think his feet were sliding, I just don’t think he dropped a significant amount - especially if you’re not looking at him. If he didn’t slide I still think he’s cms off missing his chin. The whole things unfortunate but it was just super brutal, and it’s hard to see it happen to him twice in the last couple months
The slip argument doesn’t hold up. He only had a split second to try change his tackle, but they reckon Walsh dropped half a meter in said split second. 😂
maybe dive at his feet? What if he gets hurt then? Or gets hurt with a regular tackle under the ribs? There will be more wailing and gnashing of teeth.
@@44shots6worlds it doesn't matter if he was sliding or not, the only thing that matters is contact with the head. The only thing you can say about Reece slipping is a defence for Sualli that he didn't intentionally target Walsh's head. Contact with the head, off you go.
Brain damage is brain damage whether it's in origin or not. Can't have two rules for normal games and not. You want protection of players from brain injuries - Qld lost Walshe for the game for hia rules is 10 mins off sufficient?
@poxmanful I mean Suaalii should've been more careful but also Walsh shouldn't of slipped over. Both are at fault in some capacity. Sin bin would've sufficed.
Levels is the best sports podcast out hands down ✊️👌 Send off was the right call. Just because it's origin doesn't give it the right not to send him off. I understand the hype of origin and big games but no game is as Important as a person's well-being!
Well did you watch it? Suali'i's arm wrapped around Walsh's back, that helps support a yellow card decision. Also you can intend to do a deliberately brutal tackle, the fact walsh slips is a mitigating factor that does not appear to be considered anywhere in this process.
dont disagree at all mate but why cant you tackle a bloke with body/shoulder first it happens most hit ups the defender braces with there body. not disagreeing just saying if a bloke runs straight im going body/shoulder first to put a hit on and make a play
Boys that hit MUST be a send off. If you let those just be 10 in the bin we'll get way more reckless shots like it because it's worth being down a man for 10 minutes if you can take out a key playmaker on the opposition for the entire game.
@@williamhouia8424 nah if they got him hard in the ribs thats origin. If they had a scrap after same thing. Late, high, dangerous shoulder charge that's amateur keep that sh*t out of our game
in Walsh’s minimal origins games, he has been targeted heavily and illegally: - tackled in air last year - flopped onto with shoulder to head by JAC - flopped 20 seconds late by TPJ after a penalty has been called - attempted coward punch by JAC - shoulder charged to the head by a edge defender rushing in rendering him on unconscious If one of these things happened to Cleary, you lot would call the police. There’s a clear plan to take him out of the game, Madge even had the pre-meditated get out of jail free card at the press conference - He broke his jaw this year and that wasn’t a sent off???
If you think the Walsh hit is only a bin then how about next origin Cleary plays we send Collins at his legs when hes kicking, or do a hip drop on him, or just flog him so high and hard he goes catatonic. Collins to the bin for 10, Cleary out for the game or season, play on. This will be the regular if tackles like that are only 10 in the bin. Players will be a lot more reckless, especially against the better players if they only risk 10 minutes. Thought you boys would take head injurys more seriously if im being honest. Love the show but pretty disappointed.
Walsh isn't out for the season, he passed hia. Head contact was minimal because he threw himself backwards to avoid the tackle causing his feet to slip and his head hit the ground really hard and thats where the damage was done. He should have taken the hit
@@johnrambo8977 I don’t believe anyone has mentioned his feet leaving the ground, which instantly puts you in out of control mode, flying directly at a player… 100% send off
@@Someone-uh7ibwhen his feet left the ground his shoulder was dropped and level with Reece’s chest, in the 0.5 seconds that followed having his feet planted would have made no difference. We can’t say we love Origin because it’s a million miles an hour for 80 mins and then turn around and say nah he went at him too quick that’s a send off. If Walsh doesn’t slip that tackle goes the same way as Martins on Hipgrave in the second half.
@@AaronPickering-j4l Only thing I can think of is he left his feet, There was 0 chance of him readjusting his angle, probably might of not dipped in time him he was on his feet, but you probably should only leave you feet when you are diving to make a tackle from behind.
@@AaronPickering-j4l You're stupid if you believe he "had to jam at full speed" - no, he was most likely told during watching game tape of Reece, if you see this sweep play and you get the opportunity, lay him out. He most certainly didn't have to jam, he could have kept sliding defence and marked up Cobbo. Instead he decided that "he was the man", I'm on debut, let me show how strong I am. He decided to shoot out of the line. He didn't need to jam at all. If it were Tedesco, we'd be hearing a different story all of a sudden. Grow up clown, Joseph chose to do what he did, he got it wrong, made dangerous contact with the head of a player, GTFO.
@thomasrodwell563 except Reece's body height didn't change. If sualili didn't have time to change his body height, neither did Reece, thw logic is flawed. Sualili left his feet, shoulder charged, took his eyes off the defender and hit nothing but head.
10 in the bin? Not to be overly dramatic, but if Sua'auli'i did a full flying shoulder missile at Walsh's head and killed Walsh, 10 minutes would be a joke right? So if there is a degree of actual death (people do die from that sort of force to the head) then penalties have to be imposed that will deter other players from doing it again in the future. If someone attempts to murder someone, you don't say "owell, he missed with his gun, all's well that ends well" . No, you impose penalties harsh enough that will discourage other people from exhibiting that action later on.
Massive respect for you boys but this is such a bad take and probably the first time I strongly disagree with your takes, how can you disagree with the send off just because it’s origin and Walsh was slipping, obviously the game plan was to take out Walsh and Sualii got the tackle wrong didn’t attempt to wrap n smashes straight in to Walsh’s head like a high speed motorcycle crash bloke flew like superman! Saying he shouldn’t of been sent because it’s origin is basically saying you should be able to knock people out n not get sent off all of a sudden you have the advantage because the opposition loose there strike power take responsibility that your guy fucked up n cost you the game it was a horrendous tackle end of if Walsh fractures his skull there suallii probs dosnt play league for a good 10 week at least if you want to put on a shot n change the momentum do a Liam Martin yeah the game was ruined but that’s the tacklers fault not the referees. If that’s not a send off in Origin then what is ?
If Reece doesn't dip at the very last second it's play on and a textbook ball and all tackle. Sualli wrapped his arms around him front on. No stiff arm, no side on shoulder charge. If Reece doesnt dip it's play on
He didn’t wrap his leading arm that’s clear was all shoulder and an origin tackle is Liam Martins on Hopgood sualli tried an origin hit n got it all wrong it’s a straight up send off if that happened to tedesco it would be the same call get over it your man fucked up massively
You say different rules for origin when last yeaa game one Flegler got binned for something so much weaker? And guess what QLD scored 2 tries with 12 men to win the game 🤷🏾♂️
Boys Reece did not pass his HIA, seems there’s confusion on that. He automatically failed his HIA by being knocked out cold unconscious and was never going to be allowed to go back on the field, been trying to clarify that, it seems he passed a HIA cognitive test but that was a secondary thing if that makes sense. Also, I disagree Reece slipping is what lowered him to the dangerous height, watch the replay enough in slow motion and this idea that the slip was what made the tackle dangerous is ridiculous.
Always a send off. The tackler has full responsibility - If he hits the head, he has to go, otherwise it legitamises and rewards illegal negative dangerous play. Blame the NSW coaches instead.
Hynes will never touch a blues jersey again and Ashley Klein must give some good head to Graham Ainsley. I’m an arm chair expert. Cry some more. Moses to 7. Luai 6.
Bra he didn't even hit him in the head he hit him at the top of the chest. It was shoulder to chest, it just looked extravagant cos Walsh was slipping at an angle and his head whiplashed back. Honestly at the speed Suallii hit him at if Walsh was hit in the head he would have a fracture or a cut atleast. HE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A BRUISE!!!
@@boyd269 Bra if he hit him in the chin with his shoulder his chin woulda been split open. You see the speed he went at him? Cunts get cut from head knocks at slower speeds than that
Blame the Reff for doing his job great! Blame the reff for your NSW player whose on 30k mind you for 80mins failing to do he’s job, make it make sense 😅😂
maybe in Origin they could do the red card option you guys mentioned it’s also in Pacific Super Rugby Red cards are you’re out for the game but you can be replaced after 20 minutes.
Can see so many people just don’t understand Rugby League or certainly never played it. Centre is one of the hardest positions to defend, Reece out the back like that JS has no choice to jam, Reece slipped and unfortunate, if he didn’t slip it would be highlight reel shot. People saying JS went full speed 😂😂😂 if he didn’t he gets skipped and Reece is away agree with Mase all day
Mason is dumb.....Its not the referee's responsibility for the players to not smash opponents....10 mins, and the grub comes back on, but Walsh is gone for 3 weeks...would that be fair?
Turned the Tv off as soon as a player was sent off before 8 minutes in an origin game... knew the game and series was over from then. Why don't you guys go back to 2020 decider and look at Josh Pappali taking James Tedesco out at the start of the game with a knee to the head. Was that a penalty? No, Was it ten in the bin? No, was it a send off because NSW lost their fullback for the whole game, No.
State of Origin was built on all out brawls.. blokes punched in the head knocked out all the time 26 men scrapping was the highlight reels for years Now people crying because a centre does a high shot jamming a block play at 100mph against the fastest full back in the game, would love to see some people have a go defend at centre 😂😂😂😂 Games gone way past soft 😩
Like this pod, but i question it's integrity where both of you, as experts & former players think it's a sin bin only. Walsh was nearly decapitated, the duty of care is on Sualli, even if he slips, but if you watch it back closely it doesn't matter he was always copping it on the chin. Disappointing lads
Ref made the right decision. Getting a bit sick of bashing the ref for following the rules. If JS gets to play on after knocking out Walshy for the game, its going to open up the path for cheap shots. Also, doesnt matter how tall anyone is. And though he was sliding, he barely lost any height in the slip. Wouldnt have made a difference, still would have copped it in the head.
How you know Mason is full of shit. The argument for it not been a send off is based off the affect on the game and the fact that Cobbo on the bench meant QLD could adapt. There is no defense for the tackle based on the tackle itself. If it had been Tedesco taken out and NSW had no backup people would be baying for blood
6:13 sorry guys. Don’t agree with 10 minutes. Just because it’s origin doesn’t mean all the rules are a little more lenient. A player hits the head of their opponent, with their shoulder, it’s a send off. No matter the colour of the jersey, that was a send off. I understand it’s a split second decision by the defender and it may not be intentional, but it’s still a send off because the shoulder contacted the head. My grandsons’ under 8s game is refereed to penalise contact with the head. The rule is there for a reason.
Joe was a victim if the worst coaching plan in history,vas Benny Elias said that in nsw camp the orders were to go out and injure and maim Reece out of the game...therefore despite not being a part of his game joe has in his head a planned and intentional mindset to be reckless and injure him...Madge used this method at souths too....Madge is the problem not to mention selection and game management was a disgrace, suck in nsw if only they understood that if they played footy and not the man they would win nearly every single time...
Saying that their opinion is based upon NSW not being competitive after the send off is a shit argument. If you keep allowing this sort of thing, player welfare drops and that's bad for the game long term
Totally disagree. The ref made the right call don't talk about player welfare then not do anything when someone does something that knocked another player.
