Great minds think alike. It's interesting how we both ended up doing a video on Great Zimbabwe for this lol. Thank you so much for being part of this and adding such a wonderful addition to the collaboration!
Wow, 2 videos relating to the culture to my direct ancestry in one day. You guys are spoiling me today 😁 And yes in our oral history tradition Mapungubwe is where it began. King Tovera Shiriyadenga Nemapungubwe also known as Raluvhimba (Father Eagle) by our Venda brethren, was the first recorded lord of Mapungubwe. Mapungubwe was one of the first major cities of the Shona and Venda ancestors in Southern Africa. Mapungubwe in the old ChiShona-ChiKaranga and ChiVenda language means "Rock of the Great Bateleur Eagle” / “Eagle Rock”. The Kalanga or Western Shona name for the bateluer eagle bird is Tjipungu / Chipungu (Chapungu in Karanga), and the plural form is zwipungu / zvapungu. The prefix "Ma"- represents personification. So "Mapungu" means the "great bateleur eagle" (in description of a person), just like the Venda VhaKwevho call their king MaGuluvhe aLuonde, meaning “the Great Pig of Luonde”. So, if we assume the meta language of Mapungubwe is similar to Venda, then Mapungubwe would mean "Rock of the Great Bateleur Eagle". In other words, a personification of the great king, Shiriyadenga Tovera, who is the ancestors of us all and also answer of the Mwene-Mutapas (Lords of Mutapa)
@@ofortuna99 really!? 😱 boo hoo 😭. And want rant? 😂 I'm not ranting. I'm simply adding to what he said. The video covers the culture and history of my direct ancestry. I'm simply sharing what isn't commonly known. How does that make me a "koon" as you say?
Thank you for this part of history I didn't know. In the early 70's, I was one of the first African American college students studying to be a city planner and urban designer. For one of my design projects I was looking for an obscure pre-colonial society other than Egypt, Timbuktu and other well known sites. I knew that the ancient black pyramid builders fled into "Upper Egypt" when the invaders from the north arrived. Upper Egypt was in the south because the Nile river flows from north to south. I always wondered where they went. When I ran across references to Great Zimbabwe Palace, the only information about it comprised of a couple of photographs and a few paragraphs. They stated that these structures were probably built by early European explorers who shipwrecked while trying to find routes around the Horn to India! Descriptions of the technology used to build these walls made me disregard that premise. I immediately saw craftsmanship and indigenous town planning layouts that dated back to our ancestors, the pyramid builders. I saw a great ancient culture that was being hid from the Zimbabwean peoples and the world. Remember that we're talking about a place that was called Rhodesia instead of Zimbabwe. Turns out that the South African apartheid regime had an entire library of artifacts from digs that were closed off to the public. They were afraid of the world finding out that southern Africa was not a deserted land when they arrived and exterminated the indigenous peoples who lived there. I think the history of culture in southern Africa goes back thousand of years before Christ (B.C.). I believe that geological surveys extending beneath the Palace would reveal much earlier civilizations. Let's not sell ourselves short being that we were the first peoples on earth.
Makes me boil in the inside how the old South African regime tried to erase and steal our history. They use to aggressively call SA their father's land, 'ons vaders land' is what they use to call it.They wanted the whole of Southern Africa.
The British historically are savage, thieving, barbarians. Id live to study more research behind how the indigenous groups of "Europe" or shall I say West Asia became so manipulative, barbaric, and narcissistic.
My lineage, my home where I grew up, proudly of my ancestors!! Proudly of Dzimba Dzemabwe ( House Of Stones) Build over 2000 years but colonisers thinks it’s in the 1100!!
I d like to learn more about the really age of Great Zimbabwe...the same issue can apply to other ancient African civilizations...and I think these civilizations were not isolated as we think but a part of large network of trade routes btn Asia and Eastern and Southern Africa...But Archaeology in Africa is not sufficiently funded and therefore much of Africa history remains untold.
@@fredrickjoseph6545TRUE but I believe soon we'll have the funding for that. Africa is soon to reach it's golden age of economic growth which will bring so many solutions, things like underfunding in historical and archeological research bring one of them
@@fredrickjoseph6545 check on Changamire Dombo around the 1600 who was a great Warrior and an Economist who ruled the Munhumutapa Empire forcing the Portuguese to pay taxi of a certain percentage to the Empire when he was doing business with them.
Yeah I remember reading that the apartheid government of Rhodesia said that the great Stone House was built by a White Queen of Sheba or Phoenicians or some lost white tribe🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
Because they can't believe that Africans were capable of building this grand monument without any mortar...either way, the Great Enclosure of Great Zimbabwe reminds of the Inca architecture of Machu Picchu,
There are many more of these stone cities in South Africa. It seems like it was a large Civilization. It reaches as far as Johannesburg in South Africa with Kwena Ruins that was built by Bafokeng in South of Johannesburg. There are remnants of this Stone Civilization all over South Africa including Botswana as well. It was all in the dry highveld where mostly SothoTswana people reside.
Sadly many people do not grasp the significance of Great Zimbabwe. First of all, it demonstrates that all over the continent of Africa, people have always been masters; in stone building construction; mathematics and astronomy. The Great Enclosure was also an astronomical site. Studies show, that the conical tower lines up precisely with the supernova known to have exploded in Vela, 700 to 800 years ago.
@@soda8736 Slavery and colonization have a certain role in the impoverishment of Africa. Obviously you do not measure/understand the harmful consequences on the economic and human level. Unfortunately we have lost a lot of this knowledge during this dark period.
@@antarah9315 Slavery ended like 150 years ago and most colonial powers left by the 70' s. When Mugabe kicked all the Indians out all the industries failed. .
@@soda8736 "Slavery ended like 150 years ago and most colonial powers left by the 70' s" Yeah right, look at France in Mali, Burkina Faso, Ivory Coast etc.. It doesn't change the fact that population loss combined with acculturation have consequences felt until today. Hundreds of millions of people died during that period, without being able to pass on their knowledge to future generations.. In All Africa, the entire socio-economic and political-administrative fabric that had been built up for millenia, was gradually perverted,and destroyed by the direct and indirect (growing) effects of the cumulation of slavery and colonisation. Many young African countries today, are experiencing the vicious circle of poverty, then serious economic crisis. It's not new. And Zimbabwe was under US and European Union sanctions until 2022... But most importantly, Great Zimbabwe like most African kingdom were thriving long before any indians,europeans, or chinese set a foot on the continent.
@@antarah9315 Though Ii would never say colonization was without it's faults , the fact is without colonization ,there would be no freeways , bridges, hospitals , colleges , trains, Sky Scrapers , and such..in Sub Saharan Africa
@@soda8736 Riiiiiight...over 300 of these structures across the country, Decades of archaeological study, collecting evidence that connects the sites, without a doubt, to the Gokomere Iron working culture...the ancestors of the modern-day Shona people. There's more than enough proof...good luck trying to find even an iota of evidence that'll prove that they WERE NOT built by the ancestors of the Shona. It's time to forget the racist anthropology of the early 20th century, we're way past that now.
Haha you are lost. there is plenty of evidence. Khami Dombodema etc are other stone cities found in Zimbabwe. You are a pathetic soul to try and belittle black achievements.
I read a book, about 🇲🇱Botswana, called ‘Cry of the Kalahari’, as I had heard of it. I had written a book report, and showed my awareness. I knew then , in elementary school, that the great civilization, of Z, was next to it. Rhodesia, my ass. As I grew , I knew that, the american jazz masters, that my father adored, were in fact the children of babylon, who, gave us a clear and unspoken, knowledge, of the crime against them. All across africa, the evidence, points to a well developed reality. Not at all, the lied we were told🤔
The Portuguese reach the shores of west & east Africa on the 14th centuray, much earlier than the British & Dutch on 16th century they just follow the Portuguese. Before that the Portuguese defeated the Arabs in Ceuta (now under Marroco) on the north of Africa within the mediteranean sea.
Shona: Mwenemutapa (Imwe ne mutapa 'owner of offerings ') Egyptian: Ne(of)-imhotep(offerings). The answer is in the linguistics and cultural continuity of Kemet. The Bird is obviously Heru
@@admirekashiri9879 Bro, the language and culture is a spitting image of Kemet. Shiri yedenga is Horus(Harawa). The Kemetic language and historical accounts of migrations to the South by Greeks and later Romans is the key link. The story of Dziva guru has many incarnations, but it is essentially the story of Osiris/Wzr (Wazara).
@@Changamira 😂😂 Shiriyadenga is Ancestor Tovera not Horus. Please leave my people out of this Hotep nonsense. Ancient Egyptians had nothing to do with us they likely didn't even know we existed.
Parts of Mozambique,south of Okavango Delta,the Kalahari extending into Eastern Namibia,the Transvaal and present day Zimbabwe make up the massive territory called Great Zimbabwe.Colonial powers just partitioned it.Prominent historians from Zim,Bots.Moz and SA must converge and debate so as to get tangible historical facts.
What boggles the mind is that we are still uncivilized after having built such a structure and considering that its now more than 6 centuries since Great Zimbabwe was built, we have nothing to show for it. For instance, what did we do thereafter which almost similar and having a potential to enhance our civilization. Does it mean that we were given the skills to built the Great Zimbabwe and God decided to take away those skills immediately we finished it. Very odd
It goes back to Tovera the shared ancestor between the Shona North of Limpopo and Venda people owners of Limpopo...their cousins who moved North are the ones who started building around 800AD.
the problem with this video is that it's done during "Black History Month", you shouldn't have to wait until the shortest month of the year rolls around to talk about this, and as long as you do, this type of knowledge with continue remain hidden 🤷🏾♂
Literally our oral histories mention Mapungubwe. Our ancestors Tovera Shiriyadenga is also known as Nemapungubwe. He was the first recorded King of that region and ancestor of all the Mwene-Mutapas. We the Shona-Karanga, Kalanga and Venda peoples as well as the Sena mention this in our oral histories.
they were not Shona but Kalanga.........the ndebele assimiliation destroyed Kalanga history. Kalangas built great zimbabwe and of course Shonas and vendas are part Kalanga even though they wont admit it today
@@tutotutot5193Shona is a collective term for Karanga-Kalanga peoples. We are literally the same people who venerate he same ancestors. It's just our dialects are a bit different. The Shona-Karanga (Gumanye clusters), and the Kalanga (Leopard’s Kopje clusters) are just two components of one people, believed yo be desandants of the mighty Gokomere culture. Another component of the Gokomere culture is their Ziwa brethren in the north east of the Zimbabwe plateau, who are known as the Barwe/Sena/Lower Zambezi Tonga. The Gokomere are the ancestors of the people now known as the Shona-Karanga, Kalanga, Venda, and Sena. They all worship one God named Mwari/Mwali/Nwali, and have the same pottery, and a similar language and tradition. Pathisa Nyathi, a so-called ‘Ndebele’ historian, wrote in his book named “Zimbabwe’s cultural heritage” that it was the Shona-Karanga/Gumanye led by former feuding prince, Torwa, from Great Zimbabwe, who migrated west to Guruuswa around 1450 and built the Khami stone city among their Kalanga brethren. The people who now speak dialects known as Zezuru, Manica, korekore, Karanga, Chinyubi, Chinambiya, and other Kalanga dialects are all Karanga or Shona. Some of the Venda people, including their rulers, and many Sena people are also Shona as they share the same ancestry with the Karanga, but their language has changed a little because of immigrants. These people all revere their ancestor, Murenga Pfumojena Sororenzou (Shona-Karanga) / Thohoyandou (Venda) / Shologulu (Kalanga) / Mulengi - Nyakulenga (Sena). Their God is Mwari/Nwali/Mwali. The Kalanga and Karanga are one people who were separated during the Mfecane by the invading Nguni tribes, and before that, by the Sotho, and Tswana. The Kalanga were conquered by the Ndebele/Nguni. So let's stop the ignorance here we are one people our ancestors and God are the same. Shona is a collective term.
😂😂 And you're here too spreading similar nonsense. The Lemba are a small minority of less than 50,000 in the region, noe imagine their numbered in the 1200s. Archeaology as well as history both oral and written confirms the Shona (Karanga-Kalanga) are the ones responsible for GZ.
@racialistslayer1395 This guy is a Eurocentric troll he always does this. Right now on another video he is claiming Swahili culture is actually Persian. 😂
