Origo 6000 Alcohol Stove/Oven Review | Sailing Wisdom 

Many ways too prevent the lose screws. Best would be locking nuts, OR drilled bolts with castle nuts and cotter pins, OR safty wire the screws like on aircraft. again requires holes ion the screws for that purpose.

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I was planning on doing that and then came across our unit on Craigslist.

Congrats on your new oven!! You definitely won’t regret it. Thanks for watching and every like counts!

I've been looking for one for a future tiny house. Wish I could get one

Good to know!

You're Canadian eh? Methyl hydrate? The official name since 1860 is methanol.

It’s a tight fit so I’m going to go with loctite. Which is the non permanent one? Red or blue?

Glad you got a boat with a nice stove!

I know! We have another boat and I want to find another one to put in that boat. This is the best setup for a cruising boat!

Locktite is a very good idea. Can’t believe I didn’t think of that

@@RiggingDoctor i wondered about lock washers(im a total hick i just spelled that waRshers before spellcheck got it🤦‍♂️) too. For locktite might use the Blue flavor so you can get the screws out again.

I was wondering about red vs blue

@@RiggingDoctor Red is for when you don't have a inclination to take it apart again. And Blu is for things that will need to come of to be maintained.

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Awesome!

Rigging Doctor we bought ours barely used also, and I had no idea what the black circular gasket-y pad was for... now I know! Anti-evaporation pad for when the stove is not in use 👏

I miss America!

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Haha! Ever clear burns in the stove just like it burns your throat!

It’s a work horse!

I tried the blue thread lock and put it in right away. It’s been pretty good. In the future I should put the thread lock and let it cure first, then install the hardware? It makes sense since when you buy a kit that has threadlock on the screws, it’s always cured and works like a champ! I’ll give that a try next time I’m working with the stuff.

@@RiggingDoctor no, no, I meant put the gel/fluid on and fasten your screw and don't touch it (unscrew/loosen) for a few days until the thread lock cures between screw and bolt. To the best of my knowledge thread lock fluid only cures if it's in contact with metal and left alone for few days! I have seen but not used that pre installed thread lock, but it must be a special mixture since (as you mentioned) it arrives already dried and gets reactivated once put together! But honestly I don't know anything about that dry-version!

We have been burning 97% isopropyl alcohol from Portugal and it burns HOT!!

@@RiggingDoctor I know, isopropyl alcohol is great and burns quite hot but it is expensive in my country... There is a possibility to get Methanol (also not cheap) but that one can pose health risks... Not sure about isopropyl though... Ethanol is available in a local big box store at 1.72 euros per liter which I remove the 5% water in there... Just now I canted off the pure alcohol to use in the next few weeks. Now molecular sieves have to dry again for the next batch... I do 5 L at the time with 2 kg of molecular sieve pellets in a 10L drum as my "reaction/absorption" vessel.

Thankyuu for the molecular sieve tip, it sounds like this is reusable tech for getting fuel Ethanol water content way down. Appreciate the idea

Single fuel is a big plus, but one drawback for diesel is that it takes some time to heat up the stove top. With gas and alcohol heat is instant and adjustable. With diesel heat will take a while and will be harder to fine tune. With diesel you also need a vent to the outside. Which might not be practical for many boats.

Pretty much every commercial fishing vessel above a certain size here in Alaska has a diesel stove, because they double as a heater. But I think that's also the reason most cruisers don't use them, because they tend to stick to warm climates, and want to cook without heating the boat. If you check out Emerald Steel's channel, you'll see that they have a diesel stove, but IIRC they also have the ability to cook with propane so they don't have to run the diesel when it is hot.

I almost got a diesel stove oven when I bought the boat. The issue is you will heat the cabin in the summer when you want to make eggs. If you are staying to high latitudes, it will always be on and ready to make breakfast! Those Dickinson heaters work beautifully!

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Rod rigging offers the strongest type of Rigging for the lowest amount of windage. There are always trade offs with rigging and the trade off with rod Rigging is inspectability. The weak point in synthetic is chafe. The weak point in wire are the swaged fittings. The weak point in rod are the heads. When the head is shaped, the process creates a lot of stress at the neck and the stress leads to fracture. Everything will look fine and then the head pops off and the stay fails. The reason inspectability is the trade off is because it can’t be inspected as this part lives inside the end fitting. All you can do is make sure the rod is free of corrosion, the rest is a matter of time. I have seen rod rigging that was more than 10 years old and was fine, and I have also seen rod rigging fail at age 2 months. It is impossible to judge when it will go. If you race, the windage advantage will be important. If you don’t race, I would consider switching to wire or synthetic rigging in the future. These types of rigging have more windage but are more reliable and inspectable.

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🍻 Cruising is all about slowing down and taking it easy

We stocked up at a pharmacy and bought 6L of alcohol (in 0.25L bottles) but when we run out we will check out gas stations!

Those sound handy but the rubber (I think it’s neoprene) mats we have are holding up very well. We put them in when it’s hot and they don’t melt like the original ones did. They are much thicker and we bought a big pack of them years ago but the first ones are still going strong!

After reading the comments I put some loctite on the threads and it hasn’t come loose since! For some reason it never occurred to me 🤣 I like the electrical tape suggestion, that’s clever!

Love going to Bacon Sails!

Did that and it saved the day!

Good to know! We got ours from Craigslist

I can’t believe I never thought of that! Thank you, it will now cease to be a problem!!

It really makes a difference

The problem is if they don’t speak the language they can’t read it either. I use google translate and then google image search that word and show them a picture. Once you have it in a country, you are set because you can stock up

@@RiggingDoctor Of course they wouldn't be able to read it either. Sorry for the suggestion..it won't happen again..Fair winds..

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Good to know! Are you in the US or Europe? If you’re in Europe, we would like to try some of that :)

Methanol is best. Burns completely to water and CO2

I can’t believe I never thought of that! Thanks, it will now be fixed

So glad it worked out for you Ben! Where are you planning on cruising??

@@RiggingDoctor I am currently in San Diego, leaving for Ensenada in a few weeks. The plan is to finish up my refit over the next few months then head south and around the tip of Baja to cruise the Sea of Cortez. Longer range plans include the Galapagos Islands, Marquesas Islands, and Hawaii. Ultimately I want to return to the NW US. However all subject to change! I enjoy your channel and adventures. Thank you, Ben

Plan is to haunt thrift stores until I find glass that is close from some toaster oven. Build around that but also take 110v broiler from it and make myself a hybrid with my inverter. Light and thermometer im still working on ideas

Does you're door have a gasket?

That’s an amazing find! The door does not have a gasket. It’s just a small frame with two panes of tempered glass. The glass is not insulated or anything as you can remove the glass for cleaning. It’s an incredibly simple design and you found a great way to make it better!

Thank you!!

Loctite was the trick! The heater burns diesel. We kept the diesel tank when we converted to electric so now we have a lot of fuel for the heater. Last time we filled up was in 2017 when we added 90 gallons of diesel to the tank. It still has a little left in there! I kept the fuel polishing and filter equipment so the old fuel has never given us problems in that way, but the heater also isn’t very picky. I really like the alcohol stove and will be putting one in our second boat as well. I buy the metal gallon cans of denatured alcohol at Home Depot, but overseas we burned Ethyl Alcohol. The price wasn’t too bad, and once again the stove isn’t too picky about what you pour on the wick. The thing I like best about alcohol is it won’t explode if it leaks, and you can get it anywhere without messing with conversion valves. All the cruisers we met spent their first few days in a country trying to figure out how to get gas. The valves are different or regulation won’t let them fill “that size” of propane cylinder. Worst was some countries use Butane instead of propane and watching them get it setup for the different gas. All I needed to do was find a hardware store for denatured alcohol or a pharmacy for ethyl alcohol. Keep it simple and sail happy!

@@RiggingDoctor fallowing up... I have been looking for a new Origo 3000 Alcohol Stove or even just the wicks but I can not find them. Best I could find was a DIY way to rebuild the wicks.

S/V Adma I didn’t know propane as becoming a pro-pain to get 🤣 I couldn’t resist. Living at dock, an induction or other electric heat source will be great. We loved 5 years in a marina before cruising and had an alcohol electric unit. It was really nice! Hit a button and the food cooks :)

Good idea! I have Teflon tape on board, no loctite at the moment. At least the screws back out into the stove top so they can’t come out all the way

Ack! I have a little net to restrain it but it still squirms around.

Yeah, unfortunately during the height of the pandemic in Spain, it was very difficult to get it

Not over in Europe!

We should but we don’t. I can tell you that the oven is great in rough weather. We put stuff in there and the food is trapped in a locked hot box until we eat it! No chance of spilling while heating. We cook fish, chicken, bread, and cookies regularly in it. It works really well!

The cartridge does get hot (too hot to touch) but only because everything gets hot. I’m not 100% on the oven parts terminology, but the cartridge has a flame that comes up into the bottom of the oven box. The flame hits a pretty thick and heavy piece of metal on the bottom of the oven box. This piece is removable, held in by gravity alone, and if you take it out you are looking at the top of the flame pipe/damper. There is no open flame in the bottom drawer but it gets hot just by being in contact with other hot metal for over an hour.

We have discovered pharmacies have a great supply!

We have tried but always failed to figure out exactly how much we use so we can better ration for a crossing. What I can say is we bought 20L about 5 gallons in Madeira before we set off and didn’t buy any again until we got to Cruz Bay in St. Thomas. It lasted us from September until January! While at sea we used it a lot and in shore we used it less as we ate some of our meals out (and didn’t have to cook). It is readily available in most developed countries but the name is different as you travel around. I would say with 5 gallons you will be safe for an ocean crossing!

We almost bought some that had perfume and thankfully saw it on the label before we made a horrible mistake!

Plus, metal propane bottles rust and some countries won’t fill composite bottles because they think they are unsafe (ironic isn’t it)

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Drinking alcohol is heavily taxed in most countries, while denatured alcohol isn't (it's denatured to make it undrinkable precisely so people won't dodge the tax). But 190 proof drinking alcohol would certainly work, if you can find it and the price is not a problem. Any drinking alcohol over 80 proof (40% alcohol) will burn, keeping in mind that the rest of the liquid is going to be water, which does not help at all in a stove and in fact is going to be soaking up heat while evaporating. By contrast all the ingredients of denatured alcohol burn.

@@emmanuellaurens2132 So, pretty much not something you want to be using unless your really desperate. Will the water hurt the wicks? What do those wicks cost?

We had issue of water in the wicks from bad alcohol. We just left them out in the sun on a clear day and it all evaporated out. The Can felt heavy and wouldn’t burn for long because it was full of water. After the sun bath, it was very light and had space for new alcohol

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We found ours used on Craigslist and had to pick it up ourselves.

I would love to help. Do you have any questions in particular or just general “maintenance of the rigging”?

This is what you want: amzn.to/3Bft7bV

@@RiggingDoctor Hello, Thank you for your help. I did not realize that I coulod use silicon rubber but thought that it should be neopren. Not having to order from US I looked in the Sweish Amozon page. I could not find exactly the same product but something similar. I have now orderered translucent and heat resistant silicone plates, 100mm X 100mm and 2mm thick.

That’s a good idea to keep on hand! The nice thing with this stove is if it burns, it will cook!

Regginald Williams they can be used in RVs and can be mounted in a smaller area since they won’t need to gimbal. The heating element is constant but we have found that different fuels burn at different temperatures. Denatured alcohol is good for getting heat up to 350F, but for hotter temperatures, ethylic alcohol (alcohol etílico in Spanish, we bought it in Spain) burns really hot!

We just got back to the US so we will check Walmarts for HEET. We use normal pots and pans. We have a mix of AllClad and Faberware.

Ours doesn’t either

Good call

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This is the link to the exact one we have. Don’t buy too many, we are still using our first 2 out of a 3 pack, and I bought 4 packs! They last amzn.to/2WGaTda

Chemically, isopropyl and ethyl differ in the layout of their carbon and oxygen atoms. Physically, isopropyl, ethyl, denatured, and methanol all burn the same in the stove. Since they all work to cook with, we consider them the same.

We highly recommend it for anyone not on a fixed schedule

@@RiggingDoctor I'm sorry I know your thoughts on electric motor. I was thinking what's your idea of electric induction. Are you thinking of going in that direction. Thanks

We’ve never replaced them. They’re just drums that you fill with alcohol

Availability. The original ones from Origo were neoprene so we just found some beefier neoprene ones for a great price.

That is so sad. Loctite has since solved the issue!

Ironically, CA is screwed.

It’s been doing great! Last inspection was in October and all was good. I think synthetic is great since you can easily inspect and repair any issues. I also think you should avoid rod like the plague. The heads are stress hardened when they are shaped and have a nasty habit of snapping off without warning. If you don’t do synthetic, do 1x19 preferably compression fittings but otherwise swaged fittings.

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Will do!

We used about 5 gallons from September to February. This included our ocean crossing. It’s pretty good on fuel consumption!

@@RiggingDoctor Super cool, thanks for the reply!

When we were there, they had butane (which worked in the propane system) but the valves were different. Our friends were trying to find and adapter so they could connect a butane tank to their propane system. Even going from country to country, the valves will be different and won’t connect to the system on your boat. You either need to work out adapters in every country or find a way to fill your tanks so that you can keep using the same valves.

They sure are reliable and simple systems!

I honestly don’t know how much fuel we use to cook. A 250mL bottle of isopropyl alcohol seems to last us a few days of cooking. We have about 4L of methanol and about 5L of isopropyl on board at the moment. We’re going to get more before we leave to cross the Atlantic and to give us time to find out what and where they sell stuff in Suriname (our next major port).

Rigging Doctor is there such thing as hitch hiking on a sailboat. I notice you mentioned Portugal 🇵🇹 I was looking for a a way across the pond from the states. Even up to Helsinki or Estonia 🇪🇪 Portugal is fine tho I can hike the rest of the way. 😅

There is! You can be crew on a sailboat and make your way across the ocean. There are websites like Crewfinder and FindaCrew and CrewSeeker that you can sign up on. Be honest, say what you are looking for, and someone will take you along 👍

Rigging Doctor Kool Appreciate the info. 😎

I have heard that, but in Spain and Portugal, they only have Butane (which works with an adapter to propane setups). We have friends with a CNG setup (we met them in Portugal) and they carry many bottles because they don’t know when they will find it again and usually run an electric stove with their generator to save on gas or if they run out of gas all together.

You could, but some moonshine is really good. It would be a waste 🤣

We have tried to keep a record of this to have a better answer but we keep forgetting to keep track! Our last Atlantic crossing we carried about 5 gallons and it lasted us from September to February.

Ohh we are currently docked in Andalucía! We were in Cádiz about a month ago! Have you gone to Saville? It’s magical. As for hear distribution, it’s great. We’ve never had problems.

@@RiggingDoctor Since I'm preparing the boat for the big trip I'm here not by boat now (unfortunately). If you liked Cádiz and Sevilla, then I would certainly recommend Granada (Alhambra) and Córdoba as well; Very good bus/train connections from Malaga.

Thanks! We will check them out

@@RiggingDoctor Enjoy ! 😊 I am refurbishing the old Origo 6000 and I would like to know if your oven has a flamespreader on the burner as well, like the ones on the 2 top burners.

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If you only cook in a marina or anchored, combo is great. If you ever want to cook underway, don’t do a combo!

We haven’t but it is a backup fuel option for us. Like I said, if it has a flammable vapors warning on it, it will burn!

We haven’t but it is a backup fuel option for us. Like I said, if it has a flammable vapors warning on it, it will burn!

Will do!

We had 20L or about 5 gallons and we didn’t use it all.

@@RiggingDoctor do you think you'll go electric or induction cooking?