Orion: Trial By Fire 

Oh wouldn't it be nice if the live simulation looked like this this time around instead of that ugly Java thing they used for the Mars rover? lol. I know, the CGI is super high priority for them, right? ;)

You know that when you say "fly safe" we're used to watch the video fade to black and hear a distant explosion, right? ;P Keep working NASA, Orion is amazing!

On the flip side, I work on Orion so it was strange for me when you mentioned your son's name in one of your videos ;) Maybe you should do a KSP EFT-1 test flight...Might be kind of boring by your standards though.

"Comfortable deceleration" - looking at how its rocking around I'd still be sitting inside screaming my lungs out

It's already not-so-strange enough for me that his name isn't Jebediah... ...

What gold foil was there around the Apollo Command Module that the astronauts were inside as they went to the moon and returned? Here it is attached to the service module; upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Apollo_CSM_lunar_orbit.jpg/1024px-Apollo_CSM_lunar_orbit.jpg And the radiation problem to be 'solved' was too the modern electronics on board Orion, not to people. Two months after this video was published, on Dec 5th 2014, Orion was test in space inside the region of the belts with the highest radiation and it aced that test. Therefore that proved they have indeed solved the radiation problem to the modern electronics, and so astronauts can be sent to the moon and back inside Orion without the electronics failing.

@GAIUS HOTCHKISS yeah it also was weak enough to poke a finger thought according to the astronauts. Thats not going to protect against any space dust wich would tear it to shreads. Wait no its just magic foil that blacks all that out

@@yazzamx6380 hahahaha pigs in space

@@ShaddySoldier - You said " yeah it also was weak enough to poke a finger thought according to the astronauts." Except it wasn't.

kerbal style

Lol

Hooray for fake space 😂

Did the CLOWN forget about the MOON LANDINGS AND GOING THROUGH THE VAN ALLAN BELTS ??HIS HEAD IS BURSTING WITH ALL THE LIES 🤯🤯🤯🤡🤡🤡🤡

How about is anyone going to talk about how fake and full of s*** everything coming out of this dude's mouth is 🤔🤔 no y'all just going to believe everything he's throwing up so basically you're going to take his word as absolute truth as if he is wearing a white lab coat 🤔 got it smh... sad

@@nohedidnt777 Whats full of sh** the only thing that's full of sh** is you. But how is it fake? NASA is a real thing. And so is Orion.

Freudian slip.

The electronics, circuit boards, microchips, etc, are all totally different, and far more sensitive than the relatively primitive technology used in Apollo.

@billwellford376 were better than that tech not worse crazy you say that we should just use the old tech lol oh yea we lost it

freeman Geiger good one :P

freeman Geiger different materials and different electronics need brand new tests. It's the same for cars too....why should they make crash tests for every new model?!?

aspera3 he said....SOLVE the Van Allen issue for manned flight. Not certifying the the machinery.

freeman Geiger engineer said " we have to test all of its systems.....BEFORE we can send astronauts into space on Orion". He just talks about the machinery all the time.

freeman Geiger "it passes through Van Allen Belts, an area of dangerous radiation"......" Radiation like this can harm the GUIDANCE SYSTEMS, onboard COMPUTERS, or other ELECTRONICS on Orion"....that's the challenge they must solve BEFORE sending people through this region of Space.

This looks more like the past. Give the budget to Elon and Burt (www.ted.com/talks/burt_rutan_sees_the_future_of_space?language=en)

Ian Sun You watch way to much Hollywood SIFI.

To quote the now world famous astronaut from a series of CGI entertainment productions namely €£¥$T.O.Y.S.T.O.R.Y.$¥£€ " TO INFINITY AND BEYOND! " Oh my, could he have been referring to an infinite hell and the beyond a lake of fire! You know what I know.... John 1:1 In the beginning was THE WORD, and THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, and THE WORD WAS GOD! 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. KJV

That's only because they're triple redundant - each board is probably only 80Mhz and 2 cores. And each board costs >$0.5M

Daniel Chapman too heavy

I actually feel a little insulted with this much dumbing down, not to mention all the silly music.

+Isukaman HELLO MCFLY ANYBODY HOME ? THEY ADMIT IT'S A PROBLEM IN 2014 SO HOW COULD THEY HAVE DONE IT NO PROBLEM IN THE 60s and 70S ? NASA IS A BIG JOKE - BTW JUST CHECK THERE ISIS FAKE CGI FOOTAGE ON THE NASA CHANNEL - DO SOME RESEARCH ON RU-vid !

No, it hasn't solve yet. The apollo spacecraft bypass the radiation belt, orion will go through it.

Plus orion computer system is much more sensitive to radiation than the apollo spacecraft.

+Isukaman but wasn't solved for orion...

+vaultsuit Same solution as in the ISS. Just keep the windows closed.

or not...

+makeit happen - maybe i'm late on your joke - but did you mention previously that it was "pretend" go to the MOON ? wow, ruSTOOPID ? the fake moon landings were to deflect and distract attention from the assassinations of the Kennedys & MLK and trying to destroy the music Rock scene that was about to make D.C. capitulate for their nefarious PentaGram War/Death Machine Cult

+Jimi Vincent citation ?

The Apollo spacecraft bypassed the inner van allen belt and went through the thinner region of the outer belt so the amount of radiation the astronaut receive is not high. In this test, orion go straight through the inner belt and no human have go through the inner belt yet.

do it then listen in class get yourself in college

At last someone knows what they're talking about. Excellent comments.

Orion is a capsule, the launch platform was canceled. I don't believe the delta heavy has enough lift to take to it the moon with a lander. Besides Orion will never take human to Mars, way too small. Realistically we aren't that close to attempting to send people to Mars. We could get them there but the chance of surviving that trip to return are well out of our grasp today. Well it could be done but not at a cost anyone would pay to do it.

GlassTopRX7 Go and put Nasa SLS (space launch system) in google and read about it. This will be THE largest rocket ever built and blown by man.!! This is what the Orion will launch on starting in 2017. :)

@kelly stone Reflective field for what? The sun's radiation? Wikipedia says that it deflects energy particles. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt

They are not exactly a "corporation" but yeah, they got better in the PR. I'd say they're the most open part of the U.S. government.

NASA isn't a corporation, it's part of the USA government. It's funded by American citizens.

Pretty much. I think they just stop watching when they have a question rather watching the whole thing and getting answers from the video itself. Humans are both very intelligent and stupid

omg, your right.. youve been right all along.. the earth really is flat -_- o_o O_O like a plate, and the planets are the meatballs.. and string theory says we are all made of wiggly lines(wich are NOODLES) WE ARE MADE IN GODS IMAGE!!!! ALL HAIL THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER, WE LIVE ON THE DINNER PLATE OF THE ONE TRUE LORD!!!! I pray others may be touched by his almighty noodly appendage as well, RAMEN!

dgs .astgh omg your right

***** Didn't you ever watch Mythbusters?

All I said was that the next few years are going to be an interesting time for NASA but for some reason your trying to make this a debate about theories and myths.

***** the russians did check it the entire time...because it gave the americans a propaganda victory. The soviets admitted defeat. Also the japanese spacecraft kaguya, which orbits the moon shot photos of the landing sites. I´m quite sad that we live in a century of misinformation and anti science. So many conspiracy idiots move out and talk their rubbish. Going to the moon is easy. Orion is designed to go even further - mars and beyond. I think the big problem of ourtime is, that evryone thinks he / she is important and that he can voice his idiotic ideas.

Farah Reh Yep. The internet is great, but it also unfortunately gives a voice to all the fucking morons out there who think that because they saw a video on youtube, they know more than all the educated people. The internet facilitates the spread of information, but it also facilitates the spread of misinformation - which leads to masses of, not just ignorant, but dangerously doctrinated fuckwits. Its a shame.

Farah Reh Well said Farah....the FACT of the moon landings is well proven. The Russians monitored whe whole event (and would have LOVED to expose a fraud back in the Cold War era).....but there was no fraud to expose. There will be fools who deny the moon landing AND the Mars landing (when it happens) in years to come. We should really feel bad for such people though....because they probably think the Earth is 6000 years old and flat too.......grin

Quit wasting time on RU-vid, Preston Garvey urgently needs you at Tenpines Bluff.

Hi vault owner #263753.

Tungsten's melting point is 6177°F

He's talking about testing the capsule to make sure it will protect both humans and sensitive equipment on board. You don't build a new spacecraft and just send people up in it without verifying its safety. Is it really that hard to understand?

4k F is roughly 2200 C degrees. 17000 miles per hour mean roughly 27.360 km/h. still, at 3:05 he mention passing Van Allen belts..they need to TEST passing ??? NASA, heloo ! didn't you already TESTED that on APOLLO missions, 50 years ago ??

The have to test it for ALL spacecraft

@@tavidod2791 Orion is completely different to Apollo you moron

This is normal to me to ally but what do you know it says American in the video

*this is america*

Yeah, nice ear.

That's why it's a test. Try listening to the video again.

Jake S. No, 3 times is enough. How about you try listening the to video again.

Sadly the design of the apollo system were destroyed after the program ended. Why? I have no fucking idea. So we need to test this to see if it will work

the apollo missions took a path thru the thinnest possible route of the belts. www.armaghplanet.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/image-of-Apollo-11-and-van-allen-belts.gif NASA is testing new technologies, new craft. If you think that NASA would release a video that contradicts their lunar landings... you are deluded.

Mine I've personally read some of the parachute reports generated by the Apollo generation, and we have an old guy walking around here as a consultant who worked on Gemini before Apollo. That knowledge is still around. Fair disclosure: I work for the company making the parachutes. Apollo carried 3 astronauts, Orion can carry up to 6.

Have we gone yet ? No ? Not until 2028 now . lmao. No one is going any place in space . Space is FAKE

There are two radiation belts. The apollo spacecraft only pass through the second outer belt, not the inner belt which orion will pass. The inner belt is a lot more dangerous dangerous than the outer belt.

This is ridiculous! Why don't they make Orion pass just the outer belt?

+Jack Black To go to the moon it was easily possible to used a highly inclined orbit (30°) to avoid the radiation belt. Now they want to go to Mars - in this case an inclined orbit won't be possible (or it will cost a lot of fuel / delta-V).

They didnt go through it.

Yes, because they never went.

We figured out how to get through the van Allen belts in 1962. The first satellites launched by the US measured the radiation levels in space. A human gets a lethal dose of radiation after spending one week in the center of the belts. But the level is low enough that you can traverse the belts without risk. The Apollo missions went through the belts in 3 hours, and got a radiation dose equivalent to a few X-rays.

He said, "we must solve these challenges before we send people into this region of space" . But you say we solved these challenges?

@@themagicalducklings777 The challenges he was referring to was the design of Orion's electronics. Those are new and very different to what was used on Apollo. We've sent hundreds of satellites through the van Allen belts, we even have satellites living in the belts continuously, so we had a lot of data on how electronics behave in that region of space. But this was the first time since Apollo that a manned spacecraft went through the belts.

LUNAR GATEWAY SPACE STATION EXISTS YA KNOW

Oh and im pretty sure it also has a mars module to go to mars too

Yeah you would think right but that's just one of the many lies we were told so maybe this is the start of you waking up realizing that we have been lied to on a massive scale and if one was to look in to everything we were told not only would you see the deception the b******* you would start to see our reality our true reality for what it is

@@nohedidnt777 thanks SO much for trolling a comment I made Six Years ago

what

They do it on purpose. Read 95% of the comments on here. NASA admits they have never been to space and the sheep will still defend them to their death.

@@mland005 Lol. When did NASA say they have never been to space? Lol

whitepowderbob No, it was a hazard that was mitigated by careful choice of trajectory and limiting exposure times.

***** so , why not do the same this time? Kris, give it up, no one is buying this crap anymore...sell your Apollo PJ's, bedspread and curtains while you can !

Ackyman The main problem is the electronics; since integrated processors have shrunk considerably, their close-packed circuitry unfortunately makes them more susceptible to radiation damage. Some of this hardware is used for critical items such as life support and guidance. Solutions must be sought to harden these things against the hazards. You don't 'buy' it because you don't know enough about it. In all cases when dealing with doubters of the moon landings, it has been ignorance, not knowledge, that has fueled their claims, and you're no different.

***** errr, this guy spoke about HUMANS needing protection, not bloody electronics! (OK that may be a problem too) but don't call me ignorant when I can HEAR what he says. Supposedly all the necessary tests for danger had already been done and deemed NOT A PROBLEM. Just fly around those pesky VAB's, do it quickly and hey presto, safe as houses! You can bullshit all the dimwits on here, but not one as bright as me, fellah

Ackyman If you are so bright, then please tell me the hull density for the Apollo craft compared to the hull density of the new Orion spacecraft, I'm interested in your findings.

Too much KSP, I'd have a better feel in m/s myself.

+HALF MT Not only that but the thorough description of how the orion will reenter earths atmosphere. The series of parachutes and the endeavor to slow down the capsule. They present it like its a totally new approach meanwhile you have to remind yourself that this has already been achieved almost 50 YEARS AGO !

+Jake Weston The moon missions used a course with an inclination of 30° to avoid the Van Allen belt. The problem is that to go to another planet (like mars), you cannot start with an inclination. That's why they want to test their shielding.

+TakeoFR According to spacemath.gsfc.nasa.gov they DID go through the belts but claims it was minimal exposure. ""4. Some people believe that the Apollo moon landings were a hoax because astronauts would have been instantly killed in the radiation belts. According to the US Occupation Safety and Health Agency (OSHA) a lethal radiation dosage is 300 Rads in one hour. What is your answer to the 'moon landing hoax' believers? Note: According to radiation dosimeters carried by Apollo astronauts, their total dosage for the entire trip to the moon and return was not more than 2 Rads over 6 days. The total dosage for the trip is only 11.4 Rads in 52.8 minutes. Because 52.8 minutes is equal to 0.88 hours, his is equal to a dosage of 11.4 Rads / 0.88 hours = 13 Rads in one hour, which is well below the 300 Rads in one hour that is considered to be lethal. Also, this radiation exposure would be for an astronaut outside the spacecraft during the transit through "" spacemath.gsfc.nasa.gov/earth/3Page7.pdf

Jake Weston Yes, they went on an inclination of 30° which means they only passed on the edge of the Van Allen belt, where it is much thinner. This reduced the exposure to the amounts you mentioned. This solution isn't usable to go to mars - this time they have to pass through the middle, which requires proper shielding.

+TakeoFR So which is it ? "30° to avoid the Van Allen belt" ? or "30° which means they only passed on the edge of the Van Allen belt" ? Seems like 30° will either do one course or the other. I don't know anything about the van allen belts but at least I'm supplying a reference. Get your story strait.

Interstellar was a great big smeller.

The whole point of that scene in interstellar is to talk about how the education system is getting dumber that they may even reach stupidity levels that makes them think the Moon landing is fake

@Cognitive Chaos Pretty obvious you haven't done any research yourself. If you followed spaceflight heavily, tracked the latest launches, got the newest pictures, subscribed to exclusive content. You would know that it's common knowledge that right now we can only get into LEO. Because no manned rocket has enough ∆V to send people out of it.

@Cognitive Chaos The only Irony here is you thinking you've well researched this topic but think that a subtle common knowledge is some game-changing evidence of a hoax.

@Cognitive Chaos "Most people, even when presented evidence or proof, they'll deny it over & over resulting from cognitive dissonance!" That sums up your cult pretty well. Even if you drove to Florida and watched a rocket launch you would still call rockets fake. I'm not going to argue any more because you have to leave your cult yourself. Drop everything and go out and smell the air. Go complete High School Physics, go watch a rocket launch, learn about how they work. Don't mindlessly following like a sheep, people who have no evidence that the Moon landings are fake.

Wrong. But nice try.

@@atlas8827 so we didn't have the technology to leave yet we got there? Then why do we need it jo for orion

The Van Allen belts are not a problem for people to pass through in a few hours. You would need to remain inside them for at least a week to receive a fatal dose of radiation, as stated by Dr Van Allen himself. Van Allen belt radiation is a problem for MODERN ELECTRONICS because they are mostly electrons in the most intense regions (beta radiation). The crude electronics of the late 60s and early 70s with components that we can make out by eye were far too large and crude to be effected, but modern electronics with microscopic structures that can only be seen with very powerful microscope are delicate and sensitive to the electrons in Van Allen belt radiation and so have to be shielded properly and/or radiation hardened. In other words, take an early 70s calculator into the Van Allen belts and it will work without problems, but your modern phone will crash almost immediately. That's the difference :-)

@@ShaddySoldier Pay attention to what was said. He said the radiation can damage the computers, not the humans.

Ok. So I have to debunk this AGAIN. I am an industry certified computer technician with over 20 years experience in the industry. I have done work for a NASA contractor. The shielding is required for the computer and other electronic components on board. Chips made in the modern era (especially memory chips) are WAY more volatile than those made in the 1960s. They are made from a different material, which allows us to build them smaller and with more storage capacity. Because they are more volatile, they are more susceptible to radiation exposure, resulting in data corruption. That's why Orion tested the components. The shielding protecting the components will be more than sufficient to protect humans.

for space whores and space hotels.

Space hotels sound great!

They did, but only for a few days, NASA wants them to be in this region of space for long periods of time similar to six months or even a year

@@GumballAstronaut7206 lmfao

Vancouver_Isle_Guy what?

@@GumballAstronaut7206 Really? This makes no sense. Radiation is the most studied branch of knowledge. We know everything. The doses, how thick must be shield and from what material to cut the intensity by 10%, 20%, 50% etc. It is all done and calculated by US military for decades since 1940s. Why send humans into extreme region filled with extreme radiation and leave them there for days? It makes no sense. No sense at all. I think its bs but if true. NASA just lost their minds. Truly.

oldi184 well when your on the moon for several weeks to months you need some form of protection for it, Apollo never had that problem because they weren’t in the Van Allen Belts for long periods of time, just for a few hours. A few hours won’t kill you. It all depends on how long your exposed to it, and how much dosage of radiation is shot into you, and because of these long duration missions your gonna need a layer of protection over the space craft. Apollo was in space and on the moon for a few days. You will be fine. Artemis will be on the moon to months to years. This will kill you without it.

Yes and what is strange about that?

@@maciejcholewa3796 then how they get people to the moon 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

We don't. Why do you ask?

Hi George, hope that you are well. You asked "Why do we still need to figure out how to get people thru the belts". Listen to what Kelly Smith said in the video and you will find your answer. "Radiation like this can harm the guidance systems, onboard computers or other electronics on Orion." Modern electronics are far more susceptible to radiation damage than the electronics used during the Apollo era. It obvious that the electronics in the "guidance systems, onboard computers" etc, must be thorough tested before a crewed mission with this new spacecraft. Take care.

TourOfTorun then it seems like this problem was solved 40 years ago. The shuttle program was shut down because it was an out dated technology that was a giant waste of money. Whey would the celebrate by replacing a 20 year old device for a 40 year old design and make it sound like it has never been done before. Besides, if you get this thing to mars, how the hell are you going to get it back without another Saturn V rocket to get it off the surface. Oh, and where the hell are you going to store enough food and water for the trip in this little thing?

***** It's a matter of trajectory. The Apollo flights were able to avoid most of the Van Allen belts by good timing and because of the Moon's inclination. When Orion goes to mars or an asteroid, they will have to go through the worst parts of the belts.

astropapi1 Three of them went through the worst parts of the radiation. I want to know what measures were taken back then to keep them from cooking.

mazack00 Mostly thick walls with some kind of insulation. They spent that time in the Command Module as far as I know. To be honest, Google is your best friend. I don't know a lot about radiation anyway.

On the Apollo 13 mission, they were using the lunar module as a life raft. This must have been one of the main reasons why moving the crew back to the command module as they approached Earth was so critical.

Or maybe they....lied to us. *gasp*

Why would we want to use the primitive electronics from 50 years ago, when modern computers are so much more capable? The miniaturization does come with one drawback: modern electronics are more susceptible to radiation than old ones. We know how to deal with this: every year, we build hundreds of satellites using electronics that are designed to work reliably in space. But when it comes to manned spacecraft, the reliability requirements are more stringent, and must be demonstrated in tests before we put people in that spacecraft. This is no different than the thousands of hours of flight testing that every new airliner must go through before being allowed to carry passengers.

BriPie 101 It's not happening in Orion.

Actually they did, and different types of radiation are blocked by various amount by different materials.

@@yazzamx6380 but now they need to test it again haha you believe anything they tell you ,space is fake

@@clebruckus9421 - You said "but now they need to test it again haha you believe anything they tell you" Come on really? Use some common sense please. Every *craft* designed to carry people is tested thoroughly and completely before it goes into service or onto the market. Fact! So you think for a new car they won't bother to test the seat belts and airbags on the basis that we know they work in other cars? You think for a new passenger plane they won't push the wings to its limits on the basis that we know wings work on other planes? If you can understand why every new car, plane, ship, motorbike, etc is fully tested before going into the market/service, then why can't you understand that the same would apply to spacecraft, whether you believe they exist or not! You added "space is fake". A flat Earth believer claim, so are you a flat Earth believer? :-)

​@@clebruckus9421 they aren t only testing the new shielding, they are also testing all the new electronic equipments that didn t exist back then in 1969. We don t know how they will hold against deep space radiations. This has to be tested in real conditions.

@@uncitoyenfrancais didn’t have any shielding back in 69 so they say ,space is fake,if the sky was a vacuum then the air we breath would fill it as according to gas law and the law of increased entropy! Fairy tales is all you have

Technology is pretty much always tested every single time it's improved, just improving on something without tests in stupid and dangerous. Of course it's being tested again.

@@AvalonDA That's plausible, but it isn't framed that way in the video.

@@username2122 It's a basic thing, also he literally mentioned that it could harm electronics, never even mentioned humans, modern electronics are not the same as in the 60s.

@@AvalonDA He literally says verbatim "we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space"

@@username2122 If the electronics on a ship fail, the ship fails, thus killing the people inside.

I am 11 years old 7 years back I watch this it's so cool