Lots of depressed people don't kill themselves either some just drink like Orson did or become anti social or whatever. It's a violent act a murder really not everyone is capable of it.
Repetitive negative thoughts is a pathology, leads to depression, early on set alzheimers, suicide, chronic diseases. I have issues with RNP, I recently had a friend commit suicide because he was suffering from lymes disease, he apparently left a very logical note of why did it from his suffering. One of his sisters at the memorial vehemently denied he had depression in her speech. I found this odd and bothersome. Do people who kill themselves not necessarily have depression? Depression is supposedly an inflammatory issue, I would say lymes is a huge inflammatory issue.
Is it? So depression is a loss of responsibility? It is a complete loss of hope that you carry within yourself. This lack of hope after grazing against the great emptiness of life is compounded by bad habits. Mornings wasted in bed.
For a man who lived in an era where mental illness was largely considered a character flaw his viewpoints on suicide and forgiveness are extremely salient.
@The monster under your bed such a strange lashing out statement to make under this comment. Entirely unhelpful, working in a generalization when comment you replied to was not
Hearing him speak, I was thinking just how lovely it would be, if this level of articulate communication was the societal norm. Fucking delightful to listen to. ✨✨
Speaking only of Hemingway- the guy was in two small-plane crashes in Africa within one day of each other, the second of which he had used his head to bust open the plane door to save him and his wife from burning to death. After that he was a changed man. Everyone that knew him saw the change and it was fast and severe. Pictures of him show the great physical decline as well. Then he had the shock treatments. Within months he turned into a paranoid, depressed person with almost no memory. He who once had an almost photographic memory. So tragic. He had so many stories left to tell. So, yes, the quote above is true in Hemingway's case. The man, the real man he had been, did not choose his death.
I think it's more than that. He had probably been depressed for much longer, but that particular event could've had an effect. Don't know why it would've got him depressed though.
MrDrmillgram Taqiyya (Shia) or Muda'rat (Sunni): tactical deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam. • Kitman: deceit by omission. • Tawriya: deceit by ambiguity. • Taysir: deceit through facilitation (not having to observe all the tenets of Sharia). • Darura: deceit through necessity (to engage in something "Haram" or forbidden). • Muruna: the temporary suspension of Sharia in order that Muslim immigrants appear "moderate".
Orson wasn't known to get into brawls, but being attacked he didn't let Hemingway, ah, have his way, and fought back, and then they had a good laugh about the whole "scene"....a great tragedy turns into a comedy classic, thank's to the brilliance of Orson Welles!!!!!
Ward Bond, who was part of the John Wayne faction, tried to fight Welles in front of the Ciro's nightclub in LA. Later, Welles became a member of the Wayne "club"...with a "members certificate" made out of beer labels.
Thanks Leelo! I might add that Welles and his business partner John Houseman got into a spat at Chasen's Restaurant in LA during the production of his first movie. RKO had nixed Welles first two ideas for movies, Heart of Darkness and Similer with a Knife, an English comedy which he considered casting Lucile Ball. The meeting was to discuss what to do next...and Welles started to blame everyone for the situation. He threw a flaming can of Sterno at Houseman's face. William Alland, who played the unseen reporter Thompson in Citizen Kane, who was there said that people had to hold both of them from going at each other. Welles was hanging out with Herman Mankiewicz after this and they came up with the idea of basing Kane partly on the life of Hearst. Houseman came back from NY to help Mankiewicz with the first draft of the script.
I wouldn’t call it the ‘best light’ in the conventional sense. He describes him in some ways warts and all in that he makes him out initially to be brash and assumptive. But it’s his honesty that makes all the good parts he came to know about the guy even better.
Yes. More to MR Wells than what we have been told. A class act AND wise man. A GENIUS and great THINKER. Always calculating his words. Making sure the point is taken GOOD or BAD the intent is deliberate. THE REACTION is not lost it is on purpose. WORDS are very powerful.
Parkinson was the greatest chat show host. He asked the guest grown up questions, was actually interested in what they had to say , and most importantly, he “listened “.
There have been others, namely Jack Paar and Dick Cavett at their best. Parkinson had an embarrassing interview with Helen Mirren around, 1975, as a recall. You're correct about listening. A lost art it seems.
Also take into consideration that he may not be speaking the truth. He also claimed he had dinner with an unknown Hitler once. Which had to have taken place when Orson Welles was around 12 years old.
Welles seems to have had a grasp of the essence of depression at a time when few lay people really did. Even if he lacked the vocabulary to describe it, you can tell that he "got" it.
Štěpán Hýbl well prepare to be amazed again, I actually don’t even know how to read minds- never even done it. I just considered that he might be joking
"I used to keep him company when he went out duck shooting in Venice."" That line itself explains just how many other things they must have had in common in order to be friends,.
Anyone who has read tons of biography material on Hemingway cannot dispute a thing Mr. Welles says. Remember that this interview came out before most of the biographies were published. He clearly knew Ernest well, and there was a mutual respect.
@@BobyJooba Hemingway didn't hate Orson Welles or he would have shot him in the duck blind. You're uninformed. Don't discuss writers or you'll continue to embarrass yourself.
@AMT Thanks. Anyone questioning whether Hemingway was 'in his right mind' at the end should see his last interview. Clearly the brain damage from the plane crashes was extreme. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Nsv63C9tDJE.html
"The man who has begun to live more seriously within begins to live more simply without " Ernest Hemingway One of many deep thoughtful and yet simply put quotes -loved Hemingway makes you stop and think - to think Orson Welles another great figure and he were friends what a collaboration!
@@richardzaccone You're entitled to your opinion of course, but it's not that often that one sees such a sad thoughtless one proudly displayed to the world. Also not nice to leave a turd like that on a sentient person's doorstep. But maybe that's just your religion showing through.
That's beautiful, I was unfamiliar with the quote but I won't forget it, at least in substance. For Whom The Bell Tolls, possibly my favorite book of all time. Thanks for posting it, it is truly a gift twice given.
@@SerWhiskeyfeet I can't help but disagree. Welles's criticism here is correct about his lack of humor in his books, something essential for truly great storytelling.
+Anonymous Because we live in a classless society, as in no one has any. At best you get a bunch of pretentious assholes that make up for a lack of self esteem with an overwhelming abundance of ego. This permeates throughout modern society. From celebrity and elected officials, to your average RU-vid commenter. Even I am guilty of that bullshit. It's a sad sign of the times we live in. Welles had class.
+Jordan Delker Charlie Rose inserts himself too much in the interviews. We get a whole lot more of Charlie than anyone really wants. Look for Teri Gross and her radio interviews instead. That woman is a genius.
What Orson said at the end-that the man who shot himself was not the real Hemingway-is totally right. Very good interview. Three giants right there: Welles, Parkinson, and Hemingway.
Lexolo999 Taqiyya (Shia) or Muda'rat (Sunni): tactical deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam. • Kitman: deceit by omission. • Tawriya: deceit by ambiguity. • Taysir: deceit through facilitation (not having to observe all the tenets of Sharia). • Darura: deceit through necessity (to engage in something "Haram" or forbidden). • Muruna: the temporary suspension of Sharia in order that Muslim immigrants appear "moderate".
Lexolo999 thats narcissist to say "i hurt myself but this is not really me" to deflect that you could ever possibly have a really weak moment, as if you are a GOD. Pure narcissist, licking eachother.
Approaching age 60 Hemingway suffered a concussion when he had to head-butt his way out of a burning plane in Africa. At that point his decline began. He became anxious, paranoid, convinced there were plots against him, typical schizophrenic behavior. His wife Mary could not handle him. He was hospitalized near their home in Ketchum Idaho and released, according to Mary, far too early. As soon as he had the chance he blew his brains out. I am grateful to Orson Welles for relating his encounters with Hemingway. I've read several biographies of the great writer and Welles's accounts ring true. Hemingway was very self conscious of his fame and the impossible reputation he had to live up to in public gatherings, and so would have been relieved to get to know another respected 20th Century artist who openly did not take him seriously as a persona -- though he took his writing completely seriously. These two men shared a similar career arc: ruthlessly ambitious in their youth the shamelessly promoted themselves, often at the expense of people who cared for them. But each produced brilliant work. Then in their mid-years, when then should have been at the top of their form, each went into a decline. Their later years were not so great, with the exception of Hemingway's authoring of "The Old Man and the Sea" which proved to all he was worthy of his Nobel prize, even later in life.
I imagine Jack Woltz (The Godfather) bragging about banging 16 year old girls from all over the world as old school hollywood flex. Orson in this interview was an outsider looking in at Hollywood who had already moved on from him.
@@negotiatorsnewguy Actually, the Sophists were the antithesis to clarity of communication as their entire oeuvre was about using speech to manipulate the minds of men: there’s a reason the word ‘sophistry’ isn’t considered a compliment.
That's not true. As proof, some of the best 'talkers' are car salesmen. Furthermore, if your job is "communicating and/or speaking" (politicians, actors, car salesmen), you're going to improve with practice. A trucker who lives his life in his mind as he rolls down the highway, will probably not be able to communicate his thoughts as well as a narcissistic actor.
***** Orson Welles was arguably the most important contributor to film in the mid-20th century, existing videos of him are invaluable. He created film techniques that had never before been seen that would eventually revolutionize the industry permanently. Throughout Welles life, he was able to innovate with film technology and strategy. Using practical effects, such as overlays in the film Citizen Kane, Welles was able to develop films with visuals that had never before been seen. Through the introduction of techniques like these and others, investors began to realize the fiscal advantages of putting money into the developing film industry. For the next few decades, ideas that Welles constructed were utilized by many influential filmmakers. Because of existing video interviews, we are able to better understand who Welles was and his contribution to the strategic development of film-making. In conclusion, Welles demonstrated a creativity for film-making that had never been seen before, and perhaps never will again. His filming techniques are continued to be used today and footage of his speech helps contemporary audiences to understand the man in a more meaningful way.
Orson, you are so talented, and perhaps Hem was just that or more so...but thank you for the mention of his talent and his humor.The keen observations of "who he was" at the time of his death, vs. "who he was before". are very important....
What a beautiful and talented talk show guest Welles was. It makes you aware of how vacuous and talentless both the guests and the hosts are in todays medium. Parkinson is sometimes unfairly criticised for his contribution to these clips, but actually, he had the good grace to listen to his guests, and not keep interrupting like a lot of his successors do nowadays.
This was a beautiful and moving YT experience! Well done, Parky; thank you so much Orson Welles - and all you terrific commentators... and here’s to a certain absent friend ...
@@youtubew.9256 True! Here's an extremely interesting documentary of Marlon Brando ("Listen to Me Marlon"): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vxPfj645moU.html
That's because in that time men of stature were of a certain prominence, with consequence in their wake. Influential men now are men of figure with only consequences as their legacy.
Nowadays, rooms full of people tell us who's interesting and decide who has stature. Academia has also become a fragile, toxic, indoctrination camp. Along with drugs and vacuous pop culture that's utterly controlled by soulless corporations, we rarely make men and women like this anymore, and fewer rise to the top. There's hardly a market for brains. Science used to be a lecture. Nowadays, it's a meme.
I was in 7th grade summer school when Hemingway shot himself. I not too long ago read Moveable Feast while living in Asia and was filled with that nostalgia of imagined times and places.
Brando was a pathetic drunk towards the end of his life! Just watch his last film The Score or that Larry King interview he did if you want to see for yourself!
@@jonathanclarke281 Welles went crazy as well. I mean just look at him here. 400 pound bearded creature. also, watch his commercial outtakes. he was nuts.
@W.A M.P he was definitely every accomplished. but unfortunately, he crammed everything into the first half of his life. after that, he turned into a weirdo. which is a shame.
I recently watched the new Hemingway documentary, which, in a sense aims to break down EH. They conveniently left out the part where he was sick, or, they at least didn’t elaborate on it enough. All that aside, he was almost peerless, the sun also rises is still one of the greatest novels I have ever read.
Michael Parkinson: British National Treasure. Welles and Hemingway, swinging at each other in a dark screening room, and becoming great friends... this is too delicious for words.
No disrespect intended, but it's not really a proverb if we know who coined the phrase - and when. In this case, it was Hampate Ba in 1960 at a UNESCO gathering and the phrase is "In Africa, when an old man dies, it's a library burning."
I'm from the town where Hemingway was born, and I can only say that I only aspire to have another great man talk about me this way after I pass. Secondly, I appreciate all of you. Coming to a video like this and reading the comments seems to be the only place where you can find correct spelling, punctuation, and intelligence in comments. An absolute treat. Keep the King's English alive people. Death to slang and abbreviation. "lol". Gross, bad taste in my mouth even joking about it.
Yes...pappa was born in Oak Park in 1899...funny thing Frank Lloyd Wright was already living there...pappa did not like Wright...pappa was conservative in many areas...Who else was born in 1899? Let's see....Hmmmm......wellAlfred Hitchcock and ...Humphrey Bogart...interesting. No?
It's so great to watch actual conversations like this. Welles was awesome, and there are also some fantastic interviews with Carl Sagan. I miss that kind of eloquence by people on TV.
A fascinating insight into Hemingway from an equally fascinating man. I believe not only was Hemingway mentally unwell but also in a lot of physical pain/ illness when he took his life. He had i believe also lost the ability to write: so he had little to live for besides a lot of pain and mental anguish. He was a man who loved life and lived it to the full but his circumstances made living intolerable.
Arywnn They assumed in the seventies that Hemingway was on the way out and would cease to be relevant in literature. It seems based off his current status that the seventies were wrong, and Welles was right...
RIP Ernest Hemingway (July 21, 1899 - July 2, 1961), aged 61 RIP Orson Welles (May 6, 1915 - October 10, 1985), aged 70 RIP Sir Michael Parkinson (March 28, 1935 - August 16, 2023), aged 88 You will be remembered as legends.
18JUL2020 - Welles was such a magnificent talent. I followed him since the 1960s and was truly saddened by his passing. His voice was instantly recognizable, his acting talent was superb. Hemingway on the other hand was a brilliant but sad, a damaged shell of a man, injured and thrashing his way through this thing called life, who unknowingly got me thrown out of AP English in high school. I later went on to get a degree in writing. So there.
The beauty of old footage. I remember my college professor (Dr. Graham) showing the class MLK's speech before he died. "I may not make it with you ... But I've seen the mountain top!" It was powerful.
Welles is a brilliant storyteller, though you're always left wondering how much is true and how much is skillful embellishment. The image of him and Hemingway swinging away in the theater is absolutely marvelous, perhaps too much so. I'd place about 50/50 odds on it being true.
Absolutely. I've always gotten the same feel from him. Also, the best stories are the ones best told, whether true or not. I'm from a large extended family of Boston-Irish, full of embellishers and lily-gilders. Over time the best stories evolve and nobody remembers them the same way, or whether they were true in the first place! LOL.
@@calibanjr yeah exactly... but as Spike Milligan's father always used to say to him when accused of embroidering his tales, "Son, would you rather hear an exciting lie or the boring truth?"
I actually do believe it to be true. If you watch Welles when he goes off while doing the voice-over for the commercials, you can see he had trouble with not having creative control over anything he did. The fight happened because he was making a suggestion to Hemmingway and there was probably more to it than what he says here in the interview. I can believe he probably pissed off Hemmingway by being too overbearing and wanting to do things his way.
Yes,, Hemingway was a boxer. He challenged many and won most boxing matches. He wanted a boxing ring made st his Key West house but his 2nd wife put in a pool instead. I don't think Hemingway would have missed on his swings. Great story by Welled nonetheless.
The best book to learn about Hemmingstein (a favorite Nick name for himself when young) is his book of letters that he wrote during hos lifetime assembled in chronological order. Much can be gleaned from that book. In that book he book he boxed Tommy Shevlin. But could never beat him because Shevlin used the so called Australian Shift....switching from lefty to rightly which Hem could not figure out! Many more stories in there...........Cheers!
3:39 Interesting point, Welles seems genuinely interested in this question. Interviews are always, well, interviews, but here we have him bringing up a point and then questioning it. I suppose for artists it is THE existential question. Luckily, Hemingway is once again very popular. I didn't even know that these two knew each other, it sure sounds like Welles thought of Hemingway more fondly than Hemingway thought of Welles. Respect to both of the legends, two of the greatest American artists of the 20th century.
It seems like Welles knew everybody. I saw an interview where he claims to have come across Adolf Hitler in the 1930's and he thought he wasn't very significant.
Arguably the closest we’ll get to Welles directing a Hemingway script is “The Killers”, 1946 Robert Siodmak’s adaptation of Hemingway’s story which owes much stylistically to “Citizen Kane”.
No you didn’t. Even if you were a one year old and you met him the year he died you would still be 60. 60 year olds definitely don’t post videos of themselves playing getting over it on RU-vid.
0:58 I just became an even BIGGER fan . Never stops amazing me . Love me some Orson Welles . I've never watched champagne commercial 100 million times .
Absolutely fascinating interview! Both listening to Welles (as is so easy anytime) and hearing about Hemmingway, an American legend w/ so much mythos surrounding him, was a treat for this aging bibliophile. I am an avid reader and have really gotten in to Hemmingway's stuff the last year or two. Works from a time nearly forgotten by most. I doubt that any of his stuff would sell today, in light of the push for "political correctness" this country (the world?) seems consumed by.
To those that don't know him and his work, Welles can seem very arrogant and carried away with his cigar and elegant manner of speech. Orson Welles is the real deal "artistic director"; a man of intense and passionate vision with the energy and ability to actually make it happen many times during his career. To see HIS vision of Conrad's "Heart of Darkness" would have been amazing but alas this he left to Coppola without even knowing it. A genius in radio before he ever got behind and in front of a camera, he was a born performer.
I will always love his voice. I adored The Third Man radio show as a teenager in the 90's. I know he kind of went mad, but I'll always adore that voice. He was a great writer in his own right back in the day.
Orson Welles, a richly poetic and articulate man! I've always enjoyed listening to this man who really had something to say, unlike the mindless dribble that oozes from the gashes of today's Hollywood celebrities!
I once played tennis with Napoleon Bonaparte. Short man, but a bold player. A little too bold at times. In fact his boldness is how I ended up winning. He approached the net on the match point, and I hit a scathing one-handed backhand passing shot that just caught the line.
Clearly. ;) He always interviewed with such power though and just picturing Hemingway calling Orwell to be his company out shooting is like two titans shoe shopping.
Welles was brilliant in his storytelling. He had this amazing ability to make stuff up on the spot and tell the most fantastical stories in a way that made the audience believe every word.
Our American society saddens me, especially when I see what an appreciation for life, and content of character that so many of the people from his era seemed to have, and I think about that every time we lose another great man, like we did losing Sean Connery the other day.
What I would give to just sit down face to face with Orson Welles for about....4 hours.....have a Scotch and discuss any topic whatsoever.....What a brilliant man. I miss him so much. Peter Ustinov to...
So true, the first time I met my wife I beat her ugly ass right into the ground. She was crying but still managed to say yes when I proposed moments later.
What an admirable raconteur. So natural and compelling. One can no longer find a man of such caliber nowadays, it really was of its time. Nice to see one historical figure talk about another historical figure. I like his description of Hemingway's tragic passing, wonderfully understanding and most likely true.
Listening to Orson speak in an interview is as profound as reading the thoughts of a great writer. The interview was the perfect medium for him. No one could make words come alive verbally like he did. Yet, he was just a regular guy, easy-going, fun, funny, respecting of everyone at every level of society, seeing it from their point of view. "Actors are just sculptors who carve in snow", but Orson will live with us forever thanks to these interviews. I never tire of hearing him. He made anyone who listened his close friend.....
Hem used to drink with James Joyce in Paris, and when Joyce's Irish got somebody irritated, Joyce would run out yelling "Deal with that man, Hemingway, deal with him!"
