Our First Impressions of Pokémon GLITCHED and BUGGED | Nontendo Podcast #28 

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You guys need to figure out what you're doing with your friends that contribute to the conversations. Either not let them speak unless spoken to (ie Jamie on JRE), or have everyone on the camera at once or regular cuts to them when they speak. It feels so awkward and uncomfortable when you're telling them off for saying stuff, whispering, etc, and then tell them they aren't the "ones on the banner", but still encouraging them to add their input. Comes across very rude tbh.

The thing is, Ive noticed the issues firsthand, my game has crashed 5 times, yet the gameplay is the most fun Pokemon game Ive ever had since Black and White. Its like an abusive relationship

25:18 dont listen to them skootish you make the podcast better. its wood and bob that truly ruins it. i only come back for skoot

"If you want me to listen and pay attention give me voice acting" YES. THIS.

I always wanted to be a video game tester growing up. Wasn't planning on losing money on it though 😅

I love how them calling each other "king" is just a thing now.

the ZL identifies a pokemon and shows if you already caught it or not

There is a lot of dialog and it can be annoying, but the story that this game tells is the best we’ve had on a while. The ending is crazy and it wraps up really nice. Nemona is a really good rival and I was so hyped when you fight her towards the end.

These guys have gotten more glitches in 7 hours than I did in 50

One of the funniest bugs I had was when random pokeballs just started appearing in the overworld or cutscenes. So there'd be an intense cutscene at the end of the game, and all of the sudden there are dozens of pokeballs clipped into the floor.

"HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYBODY!!! YAAAAY!!!" "So...Pokemon sucks..." (Nontendo Intro) *Chef's kiss*

I’m in 2 minds about the game honestly. On one hand, I really like the game and am having a great time with it. On the other, it's hard not to be frustrated by the lack of time and care taken to ensure it ran smoothly for everyone on release (but also trying to keep in mind that it has only been a week since it came out). I haven't really experienced anything as bad as what has been described but I agree that it just straight up looks bad, in some areas more than others. That being said, I’m still genuinely enjoying the game and think it's probably one of the best we've gotten in a while. I like the story and the fact that I can jump between the 3 storylines whenever I want and at my own pace, I like the setting and the designs of the NPCs too. It’s a really fun game, just tainted by those performance issues. I heard some people are requesting refunds for their copies of the game which I think is understandable if you seriously aren't happy with it. I’m someone that enjoyed cyberpunk 2077 at release, bugs and all, so I guess I have a higher tolerance for this sorta stuff.

You can use ZL “to aim” while crouched or rotating the camera to focus on a Pokémon. If you’ve never encountered it it shows their name as “???”. Also, useful when identifying ditto it will show Ditto’s name while it’s disguised as another Pokémon, same with Zorua.

Performance and graphics aside, I feel like in terms of mechanics, Game Freak nailed it with Arceus, and these games aren't too far behind. But I do think its a shame that they didn't allow the player to go inside buildings or wander around the school. And on top of that, the lack of voice acting is really starting to show in these games. I just wish Game Freak didn't focus on improving things one at a time for each game and actually took the time to improve the games all around.

Is Wood being mean to the interns a bit?

Bob just playing with the Snorlax plushie at the end of the episode is so wholesome

Yes, Pokémon Scarlet and Violet has a lot of bugs. It also has a lot of other Pokémon types too. Water, fire, electric. You just gotta look around more 😂

I think Gamefreak needs to hire more people and then split the team into idk, GF Red, GF Blue, etc....so that way one team can work on a pokemon game and the other team works on another one and they have at least 2 years to develope a pokemon game. One year is not enough in they plan on keeping expanding the games. They either put their sh*t together or go back to 2D

I asked my 15 year old coworker what her favorite pokemon is, the other day, and for the first time in my life, I heard someone younger than me mutter the phrase, "what's a pokemon" and I knew, times have indeed changed.

Please do timestamps

This one needed voice acting. HOWEVER I think the story in this game is the best Pokemon's ever written. Hands down. It runs absolutely horrifically, but the writing was great lol.

only just finished the tutorial and skipped all story dialogue, why would you like the game at that point?

I feel like I might have gotten lucky here. Admittedly I am not very far through the game yet (I have defeated one gym and one titan) but so far the only bugs I have found so far are the very rare camera dip into the ground that is easily fixed and the occasional teleporting into an awkward position on a cliff when entering a battle scene.

My theory/excuse on why you can't fight a gym leader in duo is as simple as your goal is to go through the Champion's road and prove your worth. It doesn't prove you worth to double team a gym leader. But it would've been amazing to actually be able to see the battle between your friend and the gym leader has if you were a spectator on the sideline. Anyways, love that game and once you get past the graphical issues, it gets amazing.

So I'm going to put on my conspiricy theory hat for a moment and say the reason why backwards compatibility doesnt exist for any consoles these days. It's because companies dont want people to know what quality was back then. People of today look at these games and go "wow this looks great" without the context of the past to compare to. People born in the last 10 to 15 years or so think that all the games us older crowd give flak for like Cyberpunk, still look and play amazing to them because to them this is their first generation to them. They dont know that this is the 8th or 9th generation of games. So they have nothing to play or compare to past generations and truly see how "far" gaming has come.

I don't know that guy next to skootish, but when he brought up voice acting I really expected him to say "you know what would fix that problem? Take out that ed Sheeran song"

Idk what y’all mean by too much dialogue the story is amazing and you don’t even have to do dialogue all that often because you are exploring the region without interruption I agree with you on the technical aspects and it being buggy but the graphics are beautiful and I don’t agree with most of the discussion

Why are those mofos still having bad takes about Cyberpunk. Of course they don't like Cyberpunk when they just skip dialogue lol

The issues in Pokemon SV absolutely IS a hardware problem. Austin John Plays did a test with an overclocked Switch. Apparently, Nintendo really underclocks the SOC. The Tegra in the Switch is underclocked to 57% of it's normal clock speed. That doesn't include possibly overclocking beyond its rating. Using an exploitable Switch, he was able to use the standard clocks of the Tegra, and that, on its own, drastically increased performance. Could GameFreak have done more optimizations? Probably. Is the Switch hardware a problem? Absolutely. There is no reason for the SOC to be underclocked. There's no reason why Nintendo can't push a firmware update to allow certain games to use higher clock speeds. But they won't, so this issue will only get worse until we get the next console.

I don't think we should be saying there's a good game underneath all the issues... 1. It will encourage people to continue buying half assed games amd sending a message to gamefreak that being lazy is acceptable 2. From what ive heard, arceus made a lot of improvements to the franchise thar this game completely backtracks on. They seem afraid of genuine change and it's nothing more than baby steps. They know what fans want but just refuse (or don't know how) to do so

18:29 to clarify. You can join someone regardless of which version you have and the host determines what Pokemon you can catch. If you have Scarlet and join someone who has violet hosting a lobby. You can catch the exclusives that are on violet and vice versa.

Why are people still praising and buying Pokemon games? I don't get it at all. Any other franchise releasing in this sorry state would incite a shitstorm. Wolf pissing on Cyberpunk (which I can understand) and then saying this Pokemon game is good, because you can skip the dialogue easier makes no sense to me, especially for an RPG. That's like buying a book and being content with only reading the blurb. How about making the story interesting and actually wanting to read dialogue? Since I got my Switch I wanted to get back into Pokemon, but none of the games so far have been appealing to me.

Both sides have good arguements, but I lean towards Bob on this one. I've been saying for years "yes, your doing well. Your making a lot of money. But you can make even more, if you give the fans what they want; like quality control". I've seen plenty of big franchises waste even bigger opportunities to be even bigger than they could have dreamed of. But they wont, and they never will. Companies love to play it safe when they have a working formula. They dont want to go outside their comfort zone or alter the formula in any way.

No one who works a regular job and spends 60-70 $ on a game would turbo through the dialog. That's definitely a well-off Gaming-RU-vidr-Thing. 😂😂

The thing is people keep saying they're made for kids but that's not *entirely* true; it bothers me when I hear that x3 There are mechanics and competitive play that kids don't usually care about, and adults have been enjoying Pokémon games for years now.

Sword/Shield was the absolute last straw for me, and to see scarlet/violet function WORSE just makes me believe that gamefreak just doesn't have it anymore.

Y is the Aussie dude so sus , “well you interrupted me” I was trynna hear what he was gonna say. He didn’t either , super sus.

I still wish they would have added voice acting instead of having Ed Sheeran music. Feels like they had all the stuff in place for the cutscenes to be voiced but then they just dropped the ball entirely. Even the opening sequence feels like it should have had the anime narrator doing the intro. That would have hit the nostalgia super hard to hear that voice starting out the game and then leading into a few voiced scenes. They don't even have to do the entire game. They just need to do the major plot points and the rest could be just dialog boxes if it was that big of a deal but even just a few minor scenes would make this so much better. After beating the store for Violet and then starting on Scarlet it is baffling how silent the cutscenes are...

They ask why scarlet would play on violet. It's because they are the same game. It wouldn't surprise me if they where literally the same but with certain flags set to off and vice versa. This two game bullshit needs to disappear.

Its just really hard as a long term fan, old gamers like us 30 and 40 somethings, to see a franchise that has so much potential and yet keep disapointing us. Pokemon games could be amazing if only they would finally care to do the best job they can. Sadly they care more about the $$$ made. But I know they would make even more money if they finally perfect their formula as it would unite every gamers since gen 1

Jesus, let the couch guy finish a single sentence...

You would think the whole Cyberpunk 2077 fiasco taught a lesson to all devs. But I guess Game Freak wasn't paying attention even to that!

I don’t want to hurt his feelings in any way but please no more Snoot on the podcast. The other guy made some really good comments during the latter half of the episode. Definitely worth having on again here and there.

Prob the only dude that thinks Legends of Arceus is overrated. It really wasn’t that great of a game. This game is better than that one. It just runs like straight trash.

Nintendo gamers are a different breed. “Why do developers keep launching broken games?!”

Tbh they made alot of more or less good points even tho i do really enjoy the game and i didn't have as much of those issues tho i wish Gamefreak listened to them

We wouldn’t see a loss in pokemon sales unless in 3 or 4 generations, these games don’t improve enough.

Still BoTW done it better and is a way older game. I rather have more development time and design and then get a good game.

This long blond hair guy is so vain. "I want to talk first. You interrupted me. I'm gonna cry buááá".

I fell off after Sun and Moon. Wish others stopped buying them when they no longer like the games.

Pokémon Scarlet and Violet is amazing!! Just need fix the online battling.

agree, Pokemon s/v is more fun than Cyberpunk (glitches aside)

Nintendo shills will say anything to reject how trash these games are. Runs way better on Ryujinx. Ni No Kuni and TemTem prove this game style can run way better than it does. Game Freak either need to hire 3 experience developers, or the series should be given to another developer who can make a good game

I’m enjoying Scarlet and Violet. Though it really made me appreciate Arceus more.

I've kept hearing about how bad the game plays for other people... but I haven't seen almost any frame rate issues. I'm just playing on handheld mode (not oled switch) without multiplayer, and it looks good, even close to as good as BOTW (if you count that Zelda didn't have 50 bokoblins in one screen). Honestly, maybe try playing on old NSwitch? Idk, but it looks good (not amazing) on the SSBros switch handheld mode...

wood started acting his age but also kinda cynical

Happy thanksgiving

I wish someone gave the guests a mic, I can barely hear them

Wood not realising Bob is joking about something will never not be funny to me

A wet dream of mine is that if CDPR did a Witcher looking open world Pokemon game.

A lot of people have been saying that many of the glitches (like the noodle man glitch) only appear in multiplayer, so that may be a reason as to why Wood’s and Wulff’s experiences were so different.

totally agree, they should just hand development over to other teams going forward. i feel like what gamefreak SHOULD do, is develop a "colosseum mode" right into HOME. it actually justifies a subscription for the service instead of just being storage, plus it lets GF continue to have complete control over official tournaments and keeping the formula streamlined overall, while other games can take some chances with the knowledge that it needs to be compatible with home.

You guys really should give the story a chance. The champion path is you're typical go become champion blahness but the other two have real hitting points to them for a pokemon game.

The situation with Brilliant diamond and Shining pearl is that they actually made a great re make, but they remade the wrong game, people actually wanted and remember platinum and HGSS as generation 4.

I'm surprised how much you both enjoyed it tbh. I'm curious if you guys have ever tried other monster taming games like Monster Sanctuary or Coromon. The amount of frustration I've had with S/V is mostly due to it's battles/features being super slow, unpolished, and lacking charm. Monster taming games with MUCH lower price tags AND smaller teams have put out better looking/polished products.

So many issues y'all having that I have not experienced. The only thing I've experienced is lag/bad FPS and some pop-ins. My friends experienced crashing along with same issues as mine. But nothing else..

Hey guys, on the screen it said with code 'NONTENDO' you get 50% off and free shipping. I priced out the Diablo red slim bundle and it came up at 5% off and $32 dollar shipping, totaling $109.90. this is definitely not giving it away! and way too much for a grip. Am I missing something?

half the issues wood is describing I've never had after 60 plus hours, must be the co op mode

The only thing I wonder is how much of this can even be remedied with a patch.

The talk on co-op features in the game sounds like you guys didn't do raids together so far?

I need to see a recap podcast on your full thoughts if you guys actually play through the entire game

Love this episode can you talk about more games like this

2:33 "I actually don't hate it" well, I wasn't expecting to hear that today.

Satisfye is really expensive though

Me who beat the game 3 days after it came out 😅

The one who hates Ed Sheehan looks like Ed sheeran

For me the gameplay is not so much fun... theres very little action. So I need a Pokémon game to look and work brilliantly... or else its just bad on top of bad. I forced myself to play Pokémon Scarlet cus a friend bought me the game to play with them. And I had to stop after 2 Gyms. It's not at all what I wanted. Also I wanted to feel its my adventure, create me inside the game and chose all of my favourite pokémons and take them outside of the pokeballs all at once and go explore a big world filled with adventure mistery and surprises... none of that was in the game. Plus all the bugs, bad perfomance etc. said in this video :/

Not a pokemon fan but still a great podcast. Voice acting would encourage developers to keep dialogues quick, simple, and to the point. It could avoid a lot of the text based dialogue issues mentioned on this episode. Let's hope that future Pokemon games will feature more streamlined and substantial voice acting.

the cool thing about coop is you can actually catch version exclusive pokemons you let your friend spawn it then you encounter it

I think pokemon could try planning a release schedule where a movie and anime starts off a new generation, merchandise and TCG sets follow, and the new game actually caps off the new generation. I know that sounds crazy but people would build hype for the game and the merchandise could be advertised rather late in order to hype up the game. All of these releases need to be close together but I don't think the game needs to be the first thing out before any other media.

I bought this for my kid. I heard it was bad but knew they would love it no matter what. And whilst I agree the visuals are not good. I am really enjoying it

Talking about the back end. Nintendo should care because the brand isn't recognized as a Gamefreak brand by most people. It's thought of as a Nintendo property. These bad launches make the Nintendo brand look bad. Nintendo itself has a rumored 33% ownership of TPC, and they have ownership in Creatures which has a 33% ownership. Meaning Nintendo wields a lot of power. But until they see a dip in sales I doubt anyone there is motivated to change things. The only real solution is to hire more people and clearly they rather not spend that money knowing they can release trash and it will be the best selling game in the series.

Pokémon feels too much like it's the fisher price of turned based games. It's painfully obvious how much it's meant for kids so I can never get into it. I'd rather play SMT, devil summoner or persona

Gamefreak made every Pokémon game other than BDSP

Reminder, people's biggest problem with the lack of the national Dex is game freak lied about it. People where bumbed about having no national Dex but then pokemon co lied about why.

I hope gamefreak will make a HD2D pokemon (Octopath Traveler style) just a little hint of nostalgia. And bring back the trumpets from Ruby and Sapphire. That would be Epic.

Despite the flaws it's got I still had allot of fun & enjoying game. I just hope Pokémon/Gamefreak let this be a lesson on a little more time polishing cause game base itself is great. Just needed the polishing/tweaks.

I think anyone who says Pokémon is good game because it has finally made changes it should have made a decade ago is just plain wrong. It is still a pretty bad open world even by the standards of games that came out 15 years ago. Full of copy and paste models, rudimentary quests, no voice acting, very little effort to integrate the Pokémon into the world etc. Difference between Pokémon and Cyberpunk is the the good parts of Cyberpunk (characters, story, graphics) were actually industry leading while good parts of Pokémon are things RPGs were doing in 2005. That's the thing about Pokémon. Even people who criticize STILL judge it according to Pokémon standards rather than standards of other triple A RPGs. Even if Pokémon SV had no bugs and acceptable graphics, it would still be a 5 or 6 out of ten RPG in a world where The Witcher 3 and BOTW exist.

Lost pokemon game I played was X and Y (been doing Pokemon GO long term). I haven't been seeing as many glitches as other people I guess. My pros and cons. Pros: 1. Like the gym leaders and elite four designs. 2. If you look at all the typing for Gym, Star, and Titian. There's 18... you get to do all types. 3. When battling I can move the cam a see other pokemon walking near me. I choose my next target and go after them quick. 4. *spoiler* Like the story. It;s a serious heart break later on if you read between the lines. Cons: 1. I don't get to spend time with the gym leaders. You had a 20mins cut sense for the school. I couldn't get something for the gym leaders? *spoiler* two elite members..... scroll down if you don't care about spoilers. 2. Glide for riding pokemon. When I got Glide I thought it could fly... nope. There's no up-draft so you're just falling. I could do so much more when I could double jump. It does the glide wings when I hit B-button twice. Gliding doesn't go as far as speed running. 3. Friend got the fancy hair and you can't wear hats. There's so little you can do with the outfit, why would you not make all hair have option of hats? Even if it covers the hair! The uniforms make sense... it's a school setting. But at the end of the day I'm not wearing the pink shoes because it don't go well with orange or blue/purple. 4. Characters being teacher's who are also gym leaders and have a four other jobs along side taking care of their sick grandma. How do these people find the time? *spoiler don't read-* I thought we had a rule in this world that a person couldn't be an elite without giving up their gym status? Coolest surprise twist of an ending! But felt wrong. Also the little girl. She just felt younger then 10 years old. So she's god tier compared to me? She shouldn't even be there if she's not 10 years old.

As for me, Game Freak was so lazy with this game. Lazy, forcing release to soon. This is unfinished product, and You can se it clearly. But for [censured words], Game Freak! Add [censured word] sorting Pokemons in boxes by names, numbers and type! You lazy, bad bad bad company!

I think its one of the best Pokémon games but it definitely feels rushed/half down. The story was better than previous games and it was a real open world (wish the levels scaled but still). I also was lucky and finished the game without any issues I see others having. Before playing this I thought Arceus was like their prototype for this game but it feels like it's reversed (besides the open-world bit). I wish they carried over the catching mechanics from Arceus. The one thing people aren't really mentioning which is my biggest issue is the box and Pokedex system - it's crap and a downgrade. Why can't I quickly skip through sections? Or move Pokémon in bulk? When I was finishing the Pokedex it was such a pain scrolling through to find what I was missing in the +150 range.

So, I am only a few minutes in to the podcast, but I have to say I don’t know why the community would expect them to drop the dialog that’s been in every single Pokémon game. Lol. I think the co-op is AWESOME for children. You can literally lead younger kids around where they’re supposed to go, especially in an open world game that might be overwhelming for kids. Yeah, the game glitches but being a long time pokemon simp - I don’t care, I still love it. 🤣

What’s interesting is that is what gamefreak do, they have two groups that work on the games separately, that’s partly how they are able to release games so often. I think an issue is the amount of people working at gamefreak overall, I believe it’s about 170. If you look at Monolisoft they have about 250. Pokemon released earlier in the year how they work the time schedule and how they do Pokémon models, and both SV and Arceus had 3 years development. I think Arceus runs better as not just because of what Jordan said about having to get the whole world into the game, but the amount of Pokémon (400) compared to Arceus (242) and how the battles are FULL on battles. Battling in legends Arceus was very simple, and only had a handful of trainer battles anyway. They even got rid of moves like surf in legends. SV has a ton of moves, and a ton of trainers, as well as online and competitive play. Trying to fit that all in in just 3 years is pretty tough, and I actually think gamefreak are very capable of making a good game. And they DID do the beautiful thing that is let’s go! Another thing I think they may be hesitant to get help with it is because when ILCA did BDSP they found it very difficult to transfer Pokémon to and from Home due to different coding. And it’s VERY important to Gamefreak and Pokémon fans that you are able to transfer Pokémon to your favourite game. People also like to compare to Xenoblade, Monster hunter etc but these games had more time, more people and less monsters and battling mechanics to put in the game. I’m not excusing it, but people love to jump on ‘gamefreak is lazy’ and that couldn’t be further from the truth, as wood said these people are probably on overtime 7 days a week.

I love the couch guys, no hate.

I think the biggest question is. Do we want something more than the SWITCH can offer, no Game Freak. The base game is amazing. They gave us everything we asked for. I have been having tons of fun with it, I think it’s amazing and I enjoyed a more traditional Pokémon game with more to offer than any other installment. I see a lot of people comparing it to BOTW, but it’s not even comparable. There are hundreds of different monsters, not like 8 different monsters. They are constantly being rendered and popping up randomly everywhere on the map. Enjoy it for what it is. Some people do not like the Pokémon gameplay loop and that’s fine. It is a slow turn based strategy game

As long as people buy those games, there's no reason for improvements economical speaking. It's that simple. The only reason they would take more time for the next Pokemon game is if fans would return their games in masses. Something which actually happened with Cyberpunk 2077 for example besides Sony pulling it from the PS store. But that won't happen with Pokemon because Nintendo provides a no-return-policy. So people will still buy those games. They can't return it and they will likely buy the next one because everything after this game has to be better, right? It's minimal effort for maximal profit. I don't think devs or artists are to blame here because they barely had time to make the game. This is obviously an executive decision and they could have easily delayed the game or paid more developers/artists to work on the game in this short amount of time. So this quality was accepted to be released. This is not a mistake, it's intentional. We're talking about the Pokemon company here. They released Pokemon Unite in the last years with most aggressive micro-transaction mechanics. They just want to make profit here. Obviously that doesn't mean the game can't be any fun. But it shouldn't be accepted in terms of quality at all.

Scarlet and violet has the best character models of every other Pokémon game on switch but everything done is so lazy. If they took the best parts of Let’s Go, Sw/Sh, Arceus and Sc/Vi we’d have the perfect Pokémon game. Each game has some great ideas. But the polish has diminished.

I know I'm late to the party, but there's no way you expect people to believe (and believe yourself) that a story you're constantly asking to be able to skip more easily would be more appealing to you with voice acting. That would make it harder to skip the story, not easier. If you don't enjoy the story, you can just say that. It's OK to say you aren't interested in the story at all, but please stop lying to yourself (and your audience).

I'd take Scarlet and violet than sword and shield. Sw/Sh story sucked and the fact that that the story was saved by DLC but it is still not enough. I get people trash on S/V becaus of performance, i am angry at the performance as well. But the story is really good and i enjoy catching pokemon (i dont normally fill up my pokedex). Legends arceus still the best.