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OUR RV LOST POWER AND YOU WON’T BELIEVE WHAT THE CAUSE WAS! 

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We lost power in our 2023 Alliance Avenue 22ML. The Victron 3000 multiplus was showing low battery but our LiTime Batteries were fully charged. Myron from Landstar RV spend over 5 hours trying to find the issue. It was assumed that it was the Vicrtron causing the issue but you won't believe what the cause actually was.
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@RVHabit
@RVHabit Месяц назад
Always start at the power source and eliminate one thing at a time. Follow the normal path until the problem is identified. This holds true for anything you are repairing on the RV. I had a power issue and first thing to check was pedastol then power cord, and so on. Good info for everyone. Videos with little editing are sometimes the best. Glad you got it figured out.
@TravelswithDelaney
@TravelswithDelaney Месяц назад
The error code on the Victron of low batteries is why we started there. The Watchdog was not showing any codes until we started moving the power cable.
@Tom-Fisherman
@Tom-Fisherman Месяц назад
Honestly, your tech kinda lacks the basic skill or is VERY green not to have gone to the CORD FIRST. On any trouble shooting technique taught in any school, you ALWAYS start with the basic stuff FIRST. I realize this is of very little help now. But the idea is to thoroughly and understand the flow of power from beginning to end. Not checking an obviously damaged cord was an extremely naive mistake. 😳
@forester057
@forester057 Месяц назад
Seriously. First day on the job. Start at - is it plugged in. Then is power arriving at the RV. That would’ve diagnosed the problem being between the plug in and the Rv. To jump to the most expensive part is rookie or crooked.
@bobdrawbaugh4207
@bobdrawbaugh4207 Месяц назад
I worked in tech support for a major medical equipment manufacturer. When I would get a call from a hospital and the symptoms were no power. My first question was, “ is it plugged up and is the breaker on.” You wouldn’t believe how many times it wasn’t plugged in.
@Tom-In-Ga
@Tom-In-Ga Месяц назад
Yeah...My thoughts exactly!
@thetravelingmyfundsarelow1693
@thetravelingmyfundsarelow1693 Месяц назад
Back in business! Rv life, just like a boat always fixing something 😅. Good job Patrick 👍🏻🇺🇸
@LDub_FlyingFish
@LDub_FlyingFish Месяц назад
Had the same issue where one leg of power would not work intermittently. Took it apart soldered the connections together and bing bango. Thanks for the vid.
@BLUECREEK333
@BLUECREEK333 Месяц назад
Add some good glue to that sheath under the strain relief. And be care of tugging on cables. They shouldn't pull out like that.
@diann546
@diann546 Месяц назад
Thanks for sharing. Always good to remember to check simple things first. Hopefully I will remember!
@toddrose1418
@toddrose1418 Месяц назад
Good job fixing the plug! It's always something with an RV.
@jamespkuzman
@jamespkuzman Месяц назад
For those who have made comments about "starting with the basics" or "checking the cord" first, I don’t disagree with that as general advice. However, given the specifics of the situation, I think the tech is being unfairly criticized for focusing on the Victron. The Power Watchdog gave no indication that there was an issue with the incoming power at the pedestal, which, of course, there wasn’t. There were no obvious symptoms from any of the 120V appliances (water heater, microwave, air conditioner) that would suggest a line-side issue. Despite the error message on the Victron indicating that the batteries were not charging, they, in fact, were. All of those data points would indicate that the issue was with the Victron, and even though that was ultimately a red herring, it was reasonable to start troubleshooting from that point. Let’s cut the guy some slack. The Power Watchdog did indicate an open neutral when they started moving the power cord around, which was a sure sign of a loose connection somewhere in the cord or connector. Yes, there were physical signs that something was amiss, but until that time, there was little reason to suspect it as the cause of the error message on the Victron. I found it interesting that the Watchdog was able to identify this issue at all since it was on its output (downstream) side. I assumed that it only knew what was going on at its input, so I called Hughes-the company that makes the Watchdog-and to my surprise, they answered the phone. I had a nice conversation with one of their engineers, Dave. He explained that, indeed, the EPO-series Watchdogs could diagnose issues both on the line (supply) and load (coach) side of the circuit as it compares the load at the input (how much the pedestal is supplying) with the load at the output (how much the coach is drawing). A brief or partial discrepancy between these values won’t trigger it because they need to make allowances for short-term pulls (think A/C startup) and the inefficiency of inductive loads (water heater), but the complete absence of a load - such as the open neutral in the power cord - will trigger an error code and shut things down. As an aside, the Watchdog is an impressive device and one of the handful of things I would absolutely not be without. Beyond surge protection and the immediate warning of dodgy mains power (which is incredibly common), the app gives you a lot of insight into voltage and current. This is how I figured out why my power cord overheated and started to melt. The combined current of the A/C (14A) and the electric water heater (12A) was less than 30A, so while running them together wasn’t tripping the breaker in the coach or on the pedestal, that steady 26A draw (plus a couple of amps for miscellaneous stuff) created enough heat to cause problems. I’ve used only propane on the water heater since.
@dalesql2969
@dalesql2969 Месяц назад
Check the other end of the cable. That probably has bad crimps as well.
@williamstuessy1611
@williamstuessy1611 Месяц назад
How about that ! The simple fix that was simply overlooked. I would be no different, this unfolded as if I were there in your place. Good explanation, Pat. Always enjoy the content. Thanks for the information, Bill S.
@user-me5tk6bc5j
@user-me5tk6bc5j Месяц назад
Keep an eye on that repair plug as those thick wires will slip out of the screw holders with use. I had that happen to me after installing a new end on the cable. Now you know what to look for if you experience same symptoms.
@sheriharader2566
@sheriharader2566 Месяц назад
Very valuable video! We've been batteing a beeping we couldn’t find. After trouble shooting everything we could. Even with phone conversations with a factory tech. We discovered it was the battery in the wind sensor in the awning, which we have never used! Electrical issues are not fun! Thank you for sharing!!! 😊
@evanmartin7809
@evanmartin7809 Месяц назад
Very common problem. Should have been the first thing the RV tech checked. With electrical problems you always start from the source and find where the power is stopped. My cord looked exactly the same after a year of travel so I ordered a new cord end. The day the new end showed up, my plug actually melted before I could change it. Now I always keep a spare cord end on hand.
@MRHEAT20
@MRHEAT20 Месяц назад
That was a great TIP 👍
@azclaimjumper
@azclaimjumper Месяц назад
Constructive Suggestion - crimp (Yellow) 10-12 gauge ring or fork insulated wire connectors onto each of the 4 wires then insert the wire connector into the plug. I would want to use adhesive heat shrink around the wires & the connector to insure a waterproof connection. I'm assuming you'll be at the Indy 500 later today.
@TravelswithDelaney
@TravelswithDelaney Месяц назад
Thank you Bill for those suggestions. I appreciate it.
@azclaimjumper
@azclaimjumper Месяц назад
@@TravelswithDelaney You might consider a lil dab of silicone sealant on the plastic parts of the handle B4 tightening the screws - you sure don't want any water seeping between the plastic handle parts. Just wondering if you ever installed Easy Starts on your RV's air-conditioners?
@VanlilfewithDaleandBailey
@VanlilfewithDaleandBailey Месяц назад
I was looking at the plug you installed and I noticed it was kind of open to the weather. I'm no expert, but I think I would have sealed it up to keep the weather out of your plug. I think it would make it more reliable in the future. Nice to bring it to our attention.
@edrickfrancis2169
@edrickfrancis2169 Месяц назад
My 50 AMP cord is separating in the same place. Now I know what to do and expect. Thanks for sharing
@TheRoadSMITHS
@TheRoadSMITHS Месяц назад
We have to rewire ours since we had an arc in our 50-amp plug and inlet. It’s good it’s only a disconnected wire versus something else.
@Life.After.Retirement
@Life.After.Retirement Месяц назад
I recently had this problem, but mine was the output of the watchdog. I could not find a suitable replacement locally so I went to a hardware store and purchase an appliance receptacle and made a similar change, the was no longer watertite, so I put the watchdog in my power bay and that has solved my problem for now (I have a motorhome). I did purchase one connector from Amazon, but it would not accept the 6 gauge wires, so I sent it back. Still looking for a connector that might be more waterproof, tried contacting Hughes Power, but they never responded to my email.
@ggebhard1
@ggebhard1 Месяц назад
I wonder how many people have had this same problem. Not Many, I bet. How frustrating!
@rickl6697
@rickl6697 Месяц назад
Had a similar problem. I followed the cord to the transfer switch. Took the cover off(with cord unplugged of course), then set my ohm meter on continuity and tested each of the 4 wires from the prongs on the plug to the cords in the transfer switch, hoping it was the cord and not my first thought, transfer switch. One of the blades on the plug looked a little suspect and upon wiggling it, it felt like a loose tooth. One of the inputs of the 50 amp plug was bad. Replaced the plug as you did and all was good. Thanks for posting and safe travels.
@robertvirga3087
@robertvirga3087 Месяц назад
I know the Watchdog would give you an error code for issues with the pedestal but I wasn’t aware that it would give you an error code for a bad cord too.
@georgehartle8902
@georgehartle8902 Месяц назад
Great video. Thanks Patrick!
@daveh5635
@daveh5635 Месяц назад
Thank You!
@drc1883
@drc1883 Месяц назад
Very good info!
@kathibucklin8198
@kathibucklin8198 Месяц назад
Taa-Daa it did work! Great video Patrick! I would never have thought to check that.
@user-mt3jq7vk5v
@user-mt3jq7vk5v Месяц назад
Good fix good info.
@LoCleTXRV
@LoCleTXRV Месяц назад
Great job, this is excellent information for something that needs to be checked. As far as wiring I would have tinned the wires, though not necessary, to keep from having stray smaller wires.
@jerrytalley802
@jerrytalley802 Месяц назад
I’m scratching my head because on 30 amp camper plugs, you only use 3 wires because it’s just a 110 volt, not 220? The 50 amp should still be 3 wires not 4, so very interesting to hear your feedback.
@Edwardsjourney
@Edwardsjourney Месяц назад
30 amp has one 1-120 volt wire (Black), 1 neutral wire (White) and a (Green) ground, A 50 amp has 2-120 volt wires (red & black), 1 neutral (white) wire and ground (green) wire and still only 120 volts. Logic would dictate that if 1 hot wire gives you 30 amps shouldn't 2 hot wires give you 60 amps? Well maybe it does and maybe it doesn't, but the breaker is rated to 50 amps so any draw greater than that will trip it. BTW 110 & 220 are things of the past. It's been 120 & 240 for many years.
@jamesjackson7752
@jamesjackson7752 Месяц назад
Here.😊
@jerrytalley802
@jerrytalley802 Месяц назад
At least sharing your oversight of an obvious issue, may help someone else to not miss it, and save some bucks.
@TravelswithDelaney
@TravelswithDelaney Месяц назад
That's my hope
@shanonqual759
@shanonqual759 Месяц назад
my god it would be the fist thing I would check!! power out the source and then the cord!!!
@TravelswithDelaney
@TravelswithDelaney Месяц назад
That's interesting....so if the inverter has an error code of low batteries, the first thing you would check is your power cord....
@CreepyCharlie
@CreepyCharlie Месяц назад
The tech was an idiot…
@chrisschiel6741
@chrisschiel6741 Месяц назад
If the EMS said lost neutral, why did the tech spend hours researching but the post and cable first. Never use that tech again.
@TravelswithDelaney
@TravelswithDelaney Месяц назад
It never gave the error code until we went out and started moving the cable. The error we initial were initially getting was on the inverter hence why we both thought that was the root cause.
@jjones5424
@jjones5424 Месяц назад
Funny.
@PanelsUpSolar
@PanelsUpSolar Месяц назад
So you spent all that time troubleshooting and your bulldog was telling you there was a missing neutral from the start. But at no time did anyone think to check the power cord? But you were pretty quick to jump on the bad inverter. Are you aware that the inverter needs to be turned on in order to pass power through it? Either in the “on” or the “charger only” mode.
@TravelswithDelaney
@TravelswithDelaney Месяц назад
The watchdog never gave the error code until we went out and started moving the cable. The error we initial were initially getting was on the inverter hence why we both thought that was the root cause.
@bkanegson
@bkanegson Месяц назад
Rule #1 in electrical is to work backwards, downstream from the source. Meter the box, then check the (RV) end of the cord, and so on, to verify the power input and try to see at which point of connection the fault begins.. Very basic. Sorry to have to tattle, but Myron the tech dropped the ball. The most basic methodical approach would have solved this "mystery" 4 hours and 59 minutes sooner. Every RV'er can do themselves a service by carrying a multimeter, for basic checks like this. Yes, a teachable moment, in this sense.
@RamblinRoadies
@RamblinRoadies Месяц назад
So, what about the inverter? Was it also defective?
@TravelswithDelaney
@TravelswithDelaney Месяц назад
No....Myron took it back to the shop and bench tested it and it tested fine. It is back in the RV and working.
@gsolo328
@gsolo328 Месяц назад
Great video... I just have a hard time listening to anyone that says "go ahead". It adds nothing...
@TravelswithDelaney
@TravelswithDelaney Месяц назад
LOL....well the good thing is all you have to do is click off
@chrisjohnson4110
@chrisjohnson4110 Месяц назад
So how much to pay the "tech" who misdiagnosed, removed the multiplus? Reinstalled the multiplus and spent hours trying to find something that "could have" been found in the first 7 minutes. If I was the tech , I'd just apologize and chalk it up to a learning experience.
@kirkminer4190
@kirkminer4190 Месяц назад
Is your main trailer breaker box wired for 240V? I noticed that there is 2 hot wires(black & red)in the plug that you are rewiring.
@briang4583
@briang4583 Месяц назад
I would be concerned about water/moisture intrusion with the aftermarket plug since it's not sealed. Thanks for making this video.
@josephharrell5724
@josephharrell5724 Месяц назад
So what does low battery indication have to do with broken shore power cable? Just curious.
@PanelsUpSolar
@PanelsUpSolar Месяц назад
The Victron inverter will pass through power to the coach when there is adequate shore power. When there is not adequate shore power the inverter will disconnect from the incoming shore power connection and provide power from the battery bank. If shore power returns , the inverter will then pass through power and recharge the battery bank. The low battery indicator will come on just before the inverter shuts off and will no longer provide power unless there is adequate shore power. Adequate shore power could be defined as proper voltage and proper current capability. If those connections were indeed bad, it would have acted the same as trying to use a small, long extension cord. The voltage would have dropped below the safe operating voltage for the Victron system and the shore power connection would be dropped. So with all that being said, a low battery indicator could mean that the battery is indeed low. A simple battery check could have confirmed that and then the next step would have been to evaluate the data to see what was happening to cause the charger to not function or keep up with the battery usage. The Victron system has the ability to show that kind of information that would have likely pointed to a intermittent or substandard voltage caused by the lack of proper connection in the plug of the cord. It was not going to start flashing arrows at the power cord but it certainly would have started a tech with the right knowledge down the line to check for the correct signs.
@josephharrell5724
@josephharrell5724 Месяц назад
I have a Victron 3000 as well. I normally set the victron remote to "battery only" when shore power is available. This way the inverter will not come on and I will know I lost shore power. Even more important I have a cheap 300A battery monitor. The Victron monitor is better but mine works fine. From right inside the camper I can see an accurate battery state of charge and if the battery is charging or discharging. The Victron GX system is great but is beyond the cost and scope for my system. If you don't have a monitor (other than the junk that comes with your RV) you really should get one. The one that comes with the RV only checks voltage which will always say 100% on a lithium system right up till the battery shuts off completely. Useless
@PanelsUpSolar
@PanelsUpSolar Месяц назад
@@josephharrell5724 So not to mislead anyone, that mode is "charger only" mode. Not to be confused with inverter only mode that only uses battery power.
@josephharrell5724
@josephharrell5724 Месяц назад
@@PanelsUpSolar You"re right it says "charger only" the other side of off in simply "On". What it does in inverter mode depends on it programing. What mine does is sit in background waiting for shore power to drop below certain thresholds and turns on the inverter when needed. It does it so fast that you will not even see the 115V loads glitch and would not know that you are using battery power unless you checked. Also if assist mode enabled in software it will supplement the power like when running the A/C and there is not enough shore power to support that. This shouldn't happen unless you are on a limited generator for shore power. The victron remote allow you to set a max current before it starts to assist. I.e. if you connected yourself to a 15A mooch docking out let and ran the A/C the victron would assist when the A/C compressor starts or if other loads put you beyond the 15 amps. Amazing technology that as far as I know only victron has and kind of makes a soft starter obsolete.
@PanelsUpSolar
@PanelsUpSolar Месяц назад
@@josephharrell5724 GoPower and Magnum also have the power assist functionality but neither of those handle it as well as the Victron system. The Soft Start/Easy start solutions still come highly recommended. They make the AC startups much more gentle on the power system.
@skip9607
@skip9607 Месяц назад
"Myron" needs to learn his craft! If he really spent 5 hours without checking incoming power...I hope you didn't pay for all that wasted time.
@TravelswithDelaney
@TravelswithDelaney Месяц назад
It never gave the error code until we went out and started moving the cable. The error we initial were initially getting was on the inverter hence why we both thought that was the root cause. Myron didn't charge us a dime for this service call.
@sandblast5636
@sandblast5636 Месяц назад
RV lost power just explain to spouse must push harder or she want eat .
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