Same here. While we were away from the house, my friend's dad destroyed all my old rhino's and beakies one day in 2002, saying that we were too old to be playing with toys.
I am the audience you were trying to please, so thank you for your hard work. I found this fascinating. I began the hobby in 1996, but money was limited, so my experience was limited. I am all-in today with my Iron Warriors, especially the vehicle pool, so it's very interesting to see all the things that I missed.
My period of gaming for sure. Loved making those home conversions of the Whirlwind and the Vindicator. I also converted one into a Termite launcher and scratch built the burrowing part myself, good times.
Fantastic job, I'm looking forward to the restoration of 2 (3?) vehicles. I love the dome shape of the first predator turret, but the ork in me loves the angularity and rivets on the metal sponsons of the later ones.
I've always been in love with the MkIIb pattern Predator turrets made by Forge World. It was so beautifully sleek, almost Leopard 2-like, albeit not very long-lived as a product. Very much looking forward to the re-release of the spoon-shaped turret for Horus Heresy 2.
Fun observation: Many of the rhino's parts are still 100% in scale with the 1/35 scale m113 upon which it is based. I was putting together an Acadamy made m113 kit recently and found the top plate of the rhino kit would easily fit on, with the m113 kit being a bit longer. Since the Acadamy is such a gargage kit, I decided to save the piece for a better Tamiya build.
And I want to make more - regrettably, time is not always on my side. Nevertheless, I have two more videos in the works, though with no solid ETA for when either will be done just yet. Thank you for watching!
Great video with some good laughs. One note is the Razorback mk2 also had a different gun shield with the different guns and gun mount. Overall though a great walk through my early gaming years!
I have all of these models. Even the chaos predator with the whirly blades. Your trip down memory lane has convinced me to pull them out and revive them.
The MK 1 Rhino Hand rails and hand grips keep breaking due to very thin plastic. The original razor back weapons were: first the twin plasma, Lascannon with a auto gun on the top of the lascannon, there was also a twin heavy flamer (in a separate blister pack), twin heavy Bolter and Twin lascannon in later kits. Plus you have the modeling workshop variants; vindicator, whirlwind, saber, and landraider spartan. Yes I have several of these and yes the smaller tanks use to make 5th ed tourney players mad at me due to being able to hide them better. Yes they are all still viable tanks to use in tourney play to this date including the modeling workshop variants, minus the sabre tank. The sabre fell out of following around 3rd ed if I remember but is now back as a 30k only tank. The armor upgrade packs where; Albative armor, and spaced armor both of which were sold separate in blister packs. The nice thing about these old tanks is that they can be used in 30k and fit in with the overall look of Hersey model line. I have done a video series where I rebuilt a whirlwind to include the rhino chassis. Just a old RT marine's 2 cents.
Loved how versatile this kit was, i built all the variants in WD and the first leman Russ and Baneblade. I also made the first 40k vehicle the deodorant stick grav tank, it was awesome.
I find it hillarious that the algorythm has started picking up your video...now that they're releasing a new mk 1 'demios' pattern rhino kit in the horus heresy line XD
Ok, you got yourself a subscriber, I had been enjoying the video so far but the little touches like pixelating the Slanesh Icon just after mentioning it...yeah, I like that. "We will watch your career with Great interest!"
I recall looking for the all plastic Predator in the early 1990s as it has disappeared from the GW branches and mail order. A GW shop staff member told me that the predator mould had been damaged at the factory which is why the kit disappeared so abruptly. Not sure how much faith I put by that story looking back.
Interesting, I think you might be right. Based on the image I might still err on the side of only the skull being used as the supports look more square than round and wood-grained to me, but then the image isn't that good quality to begin with...
I'm old enough to remember these horrid things; Old GW vehicles were nasty massive heavy white metal bricks which you had to glue plastic parts onto (such as the OG Land Raider). That or nasty poorly cast badly deformed white metal brick weapons which you attached to the soft, easily deformed squirt bottle plastic GW used in the 90s and 2000s which they injected into their moulds and was often discoloured (so see through) such as the Rhino; Before they switched to a Polystyrene Composite Resin which they have been using since roughly 2001 (The first models to use the modern plastic being Tyranids and Tau). 90s tank creation involved a lot of super glue, filing (yes filing), drilling, pinning and green stuff - just to fix the problems GW themselves caused. The Blood Angels and Elder stuff were the worst off, requiring a lot of greenstuff to fill holes in the white metal or full on replace bits you had to shave off completely because you got a deformed metal weapon.
Great trip down memory lane - I had the original plastic Predator, although it was virtually unrecognisable by the end of its long-suffering life: sometime during 3rd edition the local GW store held a free-for-all tank battle, with the rule that you were allowed to have any upgrades you wanted so long as you'd actually modelled them onto the tank you brought in. Cue gluing every weapon and piece of wargear imaginable to my poor old Predator, which ended up completely covered in layers of extra armour and ceramic plates, multiple hunter-killer missiles, every kind of antenna and sensor, and all the twin-linked lascannons in the world. Held its own pretty well in the fight, as I recall - didn't win, it got blown up just as the battle was getting into the endgame, but it took a lot of lesser tanks down first.
@@theghostliestoffrogs7184 Sadly the Dakka Tank is lost to the mists of time - in the course of moving houses and so on a lot of my 40k horde was donated to whoever wanted them; I'd been out of the hobby for many years at the time, so it didn't seem a huge deal (I mean, even now I don't much miss those 3rd edition plastic Dark Eldar). Now I'm back in (working on Emperor's Children), regrets, huh? (It wasn't a complete loss, thankfully - I couldn't bear to part with my marines, or the named character minis from my other armies, so I still have plenty of retro to gaze fondly at.)
@@tappajavittu I would if I could; see my other reply for the sad tale of loss (this was back when a digital camera was something that one person you knew had, rather than being in everyone's phones). If it's any consolation, it didn't look that good - multiple too-heavy paint jobs and very little finesse on the conversions.
Thanks for the retrospective! Feeling the nostalgia from those halcyon days. I still have the metal components to the old Vindicator, but sadly not the hull. Hindsight being 20/20.
I have both the first predator kit and the old Annihilator. I really like how the Annihilator and Destructor turrets look and how different they are to all the other space marine kits.
The early Rhino kit certainly did have quite a long life. I think the MK1 Rhino technically lasted right up till 2007 as certain kits were still based on it. The Vindicator and Whirlwind were among the last to go. Always found the kit to be very endearing.
Just discovered the channel. Awesome video. You've earned yourself a new subscriber. I recently bought a trio of Mk1 Predators, and I intend to restore them as Iron Warriors relic vehicles. You may just have given me the motivation to do that.
great work bro ! really good idea ! you should continu this serie, or showing historical evolution of gw line for ex. from metal to plastic like older guarde and new one and what was lost or gain between the two . seem like the same type of research that s time consuming tho ^^
Great job! Your research and presentation made we want to see if there was a Modeling Workshop article on the Rhino like there was for the Baneblade. This was very well crafted as well. You will go far as a historian.
I have one of those old Crayon Whirlwinds, just needs some gluing on the metal parts then it's good to add to either my Heresy Death Guard or perhaps a 40k Lamenter force...
@@jacobalexander8216 I did have the idea of gluing the rails in place, thereby siting the connection points, then drilling holes to connect some bent to shape brass rod in place of the plastic rail. Then I realised life's too short and abandoned the idea 😕
This... is amazing. Your channel is going places for sure, fantastic work man!! If you don't already have them planned, you should do an Out of Production on the Greater Daemons at some point... Heck, Chaos has a million options, Cult Marines, Abaddon, Doomrider, etc etc etc
Bit old now but you've missed out a whirlwind kit. That kitbashed launcher was cast in resin and sold through the early iteration of Armorcast, its quite rare
Evidently so... I check on the channel every couple weeks for new comments and to see how videos are doing and I was in for quite the shock today, let me tell you. I intend to continue, though with the rapidly expanded viewer base, the pressure has risen somewhat also, lol... I don't want to disappoint anyone, so I sure hope no-one is expecting uploads too regularly as these take an ass-load of time to film and edit, and I'm currently working on a dissertation among other things. Still, there are currently two more videos in the works, but I do not have an ETA on when they'll be ready by. Thanks for checking out my videos and commenting!
23:35 It wasn't the last Space Marine metal+plastic kit from GW, that would be the Land Raider Crusader. I don't know when it was released, possibly 2005 with the release of the Black Templars codex, but I think I saw it earlier. But the plastic Land Raider was released in 2000 and those crusader parts are newer.
Oh crap, there's even more stuff I've forgotten about! I'm getting old. Land Speeders had metal upgrade parts (including a Dark Angels special character and stupid missile launchers), but there was also the Baal Predator with metal parts based on the mk2 rhino hull.
You're right, that's on me for not specifying that I meant *based on the MK1 Chassis* . The "Burninator" appearing later in the video, which was released in the Salamanders army bundle in the same month the Crusader would have hit the shelves can also be added to that list.
IIRC the last mixed metal/plastic tank based on a Rhino (Mk 2 Rhino) was the revised Baal Predator. It came with metal turret and sponson parts (that I actually have somewhere) to fit in the Mk2 Predator turret and sponsons..
Slip of the tongue. I should have specified *based on the MK1 chassis* , but I can't retroactively change that in the published video now. Another example of a mixed-metal space marine tank would of course be the Land Raider Crusader, though that was released at the same time as the *Burninator* ...
Correct. *IA2 (1st ed)* p. 24-25: MkIIb Mars Pattern Rhino; p. 34-35: Phaeton Pattern MkIIIc Predator Destructor; p. 39: Skarath pattern MkIId Predator Annihilator; p. 56: "rare MkII Razorback with twin-linked plasma cannons and a lascannon turret;" p. 61: MkIIb Mars Pattern Whirlwind; p. 76: Mars Pattern MK1c Vindicator withhunter-killer missile.
Well I was going to try to fit 10 into a MK2 Chassis at some point, but there's no way I'm making 12 happen, no matter how many marines I hack up... XD
Slight correction, the Baal predator at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bYy7swsqX1g.html isn't a conversion, it's the original kit for it that was released towards the end of 2nd edition. It was the last kit i bought before I got out of the hobby for a 10 year gap.
The 3e Codex:BA page I'm reading off at that point in the video literally explains where the bits are from... Was there maybe a limited-time mail-order only release where they bundled the ravenwing assault cannons in with the annihilator kit?
@@theghostliestoffrogs7184 Definitely an originalcast with no conversion required (my early teen self would never have had the tools/skills to do that in an age of pewter). Box definitely had the old 2nd ed logo and everything, sadly that's long gone so i can't get pics of it. I could dig out the mini from a cupboard and take pics, if i get some time to do so.
I actually really like the looks of the big gunshield style Razorbacks, and feel like 2 plasma rifles and a las cannon make a certain amount of sense, however more options is better.
"Good luck finding someone to paint THIS" 5:21 Uhmm... I have a Land Raider painted by someone quite skilled painted in the 1980's. It's actually so nice I'm never going to repaint it!
@@theghostliestoffrogs7184 Well... if it's a video on 'janky' semi-official vehicles, there's also the spartan and sabre tanks, which were in White Dwarf (both of which were Rhino/Land raider hybrids, iirc).
I certainly want to, the biggest enemy I have is time, and how much is available to me, lol... But there are certainly a lot of different things in Citadel's past which deserve exploring in detail. I will endeavour to do so.
Hey, was wondering if you could send me over the files for the guide on how to make the old whirlwind(can't really find any good pictures of those guides).
If you have a reddit account, direct message me, I'm u/ghostfroginfinity. If that doesn't work, I have a business email listed in the about section of this youtube channel. I'd be happy to help.
Some of those are deliberately so, but given how I'm still getting into the hang of editing videos this length, some might be not-so-deliberate... I hope you didn't rewind and keep trying to pause at the right moment though, I know I used to do so many times until I discovered there's an option to change playback speed and slow down the video. There should be no 1-frame-ers anywhere though, I can promise that.
Wasn't there also an exorcist kit based on the MKl rhino?? If not does that mean it was originally a slaaneshy design. That's some next level heresy right there.
Oh man! Now this is a channel for me! I fucking LOVE old cool warhammer, I hope you'll cover old cool fantasy battle stuff ja specialist games and all that shit!
So this might be random but...whats stopping you buying a Baneblade? I went to my local shop and bought it right off the shelf. 100 bucks a little bit too much for you at the moment or can you not find one?
I see Nothing wrong with cammo up marines, so long as their iconography is clearly visable. Yes, I CAN tell you that that is an Ultramarines tank. Because of, y'know the big Ultramarines symbols painted on it. I mean, would deathguard or blood anges be riding in a tank with ULTRAMARINE icons on it...? Not to mention that this is LITTERALLY why each regiment in a army has it's own unique flag/standard.
i know they are more game pieces than serious models, but i thought they were a cool idea for a sci-fi armor base. but these kits suck and cost a fortune. you can get fully detailed inside and out panzers of high quality compared to one of these tin toys. sorry. huge ripoff.
