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Overdue Doctor Who Review: The Big Bang 

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After everything done in the previous episode, Moffat had a ton of things to tie up. And he focused on it so hard he forgot to make sure the core story actually worked as anything more than logistical knot untying exercise.
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@StreetNoise
@StreetNoise 4 года назад
I love the ending. It's the first time we got a really joyful season finale ending in modern Who. At first it looks like we're gonna get another lonely Doctor brooding alone in the universe ending but then Amy & Rory barge into the Tardis & ain't gonna let that happen.
@Deathlygunn
@Deathlygunn 4 года назад
I'd argue the first series of New Who has something of a happy ending in retrospect. At the time obviously we were sad to see Eccleston leaving so soon, and cautious as to how good Tennant would be in the role. Looking back on the scene we have Nine finally put the Time War behind him and heal his scars by literally regenerating into a new man. Nine left with a smile and Ten gets to start his life with a mad Doctor-y look in his eyes.
@Ben-vf5gk
@Ben-vf5gk 4 года назад
Me Before the Video: Right I like this episode, Nathaniel doesn't. So I will listen, but I bet he won't be able to change my mind whatsoever Me After the Video: Godammit.
@Ben-vf5gk
@Ben-vf5gk 4 года назад
@@carealoo744 Depends which Moffat Nonsense. I'll definitley take this over S11 but Hell Bent? Nope.
@Ben-vf5gk
@Ben-vf5gk 4 года назад
@@carealoo744 I get that. I think I kinda agree. I mean I liked Demons of the Punjab (love Indian History) but S11 as a whole was just meh.
@VortexTraveller
@VortexTraveller 4 года назад
Honestly as much I tend to enjoy Moffat's writing, I think I can sum up his biggest problem as a writer with a quote from Sherlock... "That’s your weakness. You always want everything to be clever". He can sometimes focus too much on making a story clever, rather than engaging and enjoyable & while it doesn't bother me too much in this episode, I know it does in some of the other episodes he has written.
@hesamtalebi4348
@hesamtalebi4348 4 года назад
Does it have a different tone than The Pandorica Opens? Yes Is the tonal shift a bad thing? Not necessarily
@wreckitremy
@wreckitremy 4 года назад
That metaphore really helps me see where and why we differ on episodes. I love finding out how magicians do tricks.
@NicoleM_radiantbaby
@NicoleM_radiantbaby 4 года назад
Same. :)
@vanillamc1
@vanillamc1 4 года назад
Nicole Mazza Double Same!
@xproflipscarab
@xproflipscarab 4 года назад
@@vanillamc1 TRIPLE SAME !
@Jedi_Spartan
@Jedi_Spartan 4 года назад
River Song: What in the name of sanity have you got on your head?
@tonk82
@tonk82 4 года назад
I still think is a very fun finale. Great pacing, nice jokes, it ties things relatively well (one has to consider that some loose threads, at the time, we thought could be resolved in the future), and the wedding scene is great. I don't know... i still think its one of the new series best finales, probably the best of moffat's era.
@zacroper3577
@zacroper3577 4 года назад
Moffat writing most of his season finales "Started writing it, had a breakdown... Bon appetite"
@jakerockznoodles
@jakerockznoodles 4 года назад
I loved this story. As far as I'm concerned, the story wasn't about some big threat to the universe, it was all about the journey of the characters. I think this was a really nice change of pace from most of the other finales that are about stopping some big bad. I sort of wish that we had satisfying resolution to some of the dangling plot threads of the season but imo that's a problem with the later seasons and not this story in and of itself.
@miketait116
@miketait116 4 года назад
One issue I had with this story: we find out in the beginning that there are no stars, except for the TARDIS acting as the sun. Which means that sea exploration would be either ridiculously hard or altogether impossible (no north star). Yet history flows exactly the same? Rory should have 2,000 years of alternate history memory.
@vanillamc1
@vanillamc1 4 года назад
Nathaniel, I always feel bad when you don’t like an episode, because I know how that feels. But not this one though. One of my all time favorite finales, and episodes. The lovely scene between the Doctor and Amy in her bedroom, a happy ending, for once. The “continuity error” in the Time of Angels scene. I laughed at that one. I just love this one so much and absolutely nothing anyone can say will change my mind. I know that’s not really you’re intent here, I just used that last bit for emphasis, lol. 😊
@Thunderwing88
@Thunderwing88 4 года назад
I love River shooting the fez.
@kristienwhitneyjohns2215
@kristienwhitneyjohns2215 4 года назад
How can you say theres no consequences. When a major factor of season 6 is a consequence of the Doctor resetting he universe...
@quinnsinclair7028
@quinnsinclair7028 4 года назад
What’s consequences? To my knowledge there are literally none. Unless you are trying to say the Silence wouldn’t have known about him and taken action against him if not for the reset. Firstly, I don’t think there’s any evidence of that but more important the revival has be so high on the doctor’s massively inflated reputation that the Silence wouldn’t have needed this to be motivated.
@kristienwhitneyjohns2215
@kristienwhitneyjohns2215 4 года назад
@@quinnsinclair7028 Doctors 'death' and melody ponds being part time lord. Basically the actions in bbp2 are the very reason melody was part time lord and why the silence wanted to use her against the doctor.
@quinnsinclair7028
@quinnsinclair7028 4 года назад
Kristien Whitneyjohns No that’s all wrong. The Silence initiate the events of Pandorica Opens and when that failed used Melody Pond to attempt to kill the Doctor. There was no direct correlation between the two events.
@kristienwhitneyjohns2215
@kristienwhitneyjohns2215 4 года назад
@@quinnsinclair7028 this isnt head cannon. They literally talk about this in demons run when they cant work out how there can be a part time lord.
@kristienwhitneyjohns2215
@kristienwhitneyjohns2215 4 года назад
@@quinnsinclair7028 also I never said they was a correlation between those two events. I said, the doctors actions had a consequence, that consequence being melody pond and her time lord abilities.
@NaramSinofAkkad790
@NaramSinofAkkad790 4 года назад
The whole episode feels like the ending to clue and Tim Curry is explaining how he did it.
@superraegun2649
@superraegun2649 4 года назад
8:48 It’s funny how you go on about there being no consequences of the Universe blowing up, because all they would’ve had to do to fix that was have a line in “The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon” about how the Silence didn’t exist until they reset the Universe and then the Silence would’ve been a lasting consequence. I’m actually going to make that headcannon because it explains how neither the First or Second Doctors ever encounter the Silence despite the fact the Silence had control over the Earth throughout the entirety of both their tenures as The Doctor.
@greghawkins59
@greghawkins59 4 года назад
This is actually a perfect response to the no lasting consequences argument, I've been wanting to put it into words for ages. Sometimes it's great for there to be no lasting consequences. A problem I did have though is that the silence never appeared before they did, they're a great concept but if they'd been around before big bang then the doctor would have bumped into them thousands of times before.
@greghawkins59
@greghawkins59 4 года назад
This is actually a perfect response to the no lasting consequences argument, I've been trying to put it into words for so long. Sometimes it's great for there to be no lasting consequences. A problem I did have though was that the silence didn't appear before they did, the big bang 2 leading to their creation is perfect because the doctor would definitely have encountered them many times before if they'd always been there.
@lucasdolding6924
@lucasdolding6924 4 года назад
But the Silents are the ones who orchestrated the Tardis exploding so that the Doctor never reaches Trenzalore, so then The Pandorica Opens doesn't make sense anymore.
@greghawkins59
@greghawkins59 4 года назад
@@lucasdolding6924 oh fuck yeah forgot about that. It never made sense to me how they even did that though.
@lucasdolding6924
@lucasdolding6924 4 года назад
Yeah, sometimes you just gotta roll with it. Either accept they can somehow or get infodumped a bunch of technobabble. Maybe there is an explanation, I just don't know it.
@liamheneghan4977
@liamheneghan4977 4 года назад
I feel like this is a recurring theme with Moffat's finales; the build up is always better than the conclusion.
@rowanc88
@rowanc88 4 года назад
Wish you had had a fez destruction joke in this review
@SweenyTodd98
@SweenyTodd98 4 года назад
Moffat's "Look at how clever I am, love me!" style of writing has always been a big part of why I'm not a big fan of him. Focuses too much on sounding clever then being logical. I think The Angels Take Manhattan is a perfect example of it.
@marvelsomething1952
@marvelsomething1952 4 года назад
SweenyTodd98 the angels take Manhatten was so stupid and made no sense. He could easily have seen Amy and Rory again by traveling the year after, but it's written as a devastating moment. I don't hate the episode until the finale, and it was dumb with the statue of liberty.
@kristienwhitneyjohns2215
@kristienwhitneyjohns2215 4 года назад
As a huge Penn and teller fan you metaphor is lost on me
@SomeRandomGuy908
@SomeRandomGuy908 4 года назад
I love this, thought you’d ruin it for me but I disagree with what you say. Still respect your opinion 😂 Like the Big Bang 2 for me was PERFECTLY written
@menachemsalomon
@menachemsalomon 4 года назад
This episode introduced me to the _Something old, something new_ tradition, which I'd never heard of before. It helped me understand the double entendre in the title of the Buffy episode _Something Blue._ Actually, I like hearing how a magician does his'er tricks. So I don't mind the cleverness in tying up all the loose ends. What I dislike is the copout of the reboot, where nothing that happened before matters anymore. Also, the TARDIS blowing up is never satisfactorily explained.
@karenlschiermeyer3495
@karenlschiermeyer3495 4 года назад
My favorite part of The Big Bang is almost always cut from the episode for time. The timeline of the centurion makes me emotional even knowing he doesn't perish.
@WiloPolis03
@WiloPolis03 4 года назад
I think it's pretty obvious that Moffat creates plotlines that are wayyyy too big and spectacle-y for him to handle, to the point where he ends up just wimping out and avoiding all of those plotlines (TBB and Hell Bent are probably the best examples of this). I think he finally figured out how to handle this type of thing with The Doctor Falls, focusing more on emotion and making the conflict more of an obstacle to overcome by the characters.
@riffgrindergeneral
@riffgrindergeneral 4 года назад
Paradox in place of solutions. In fact, paradox as the solution. It's like seeing how the trick was done and realising it was a very cheap trick the whole time. And not even that good
@EmeralBookwise
@EmeralBookwise 4 года назад
Hmm... fair enough. I can appreciate why this episode just doesn't work for you, however, I think you do yourself a disservice by arbitrarily deciding that this is the one two-parter you get to break your own rules and rate separately. Just because you don't like how part-2 resolves the problem, doesn't mean the "sins" of part-1 should be forgiven for creating that problem in the first pace. The fact that part-2 is as you put an episode only about untying knots really just betrays how intrinsically linked these two episodes are, that they pretty much had to be written side by side and so maybe even more so than any other two-parters HAVE to be evaluated as a singular work. Trying to review them separately feels a tad hypocritical, like you're just trying to salvage one from the other to suit your own personal bias. If you're going to say big stakes should have big consequences, or else don't make the stakes so big in the first place... well, this wasn't the episode that raised those stakes, so arguably the blame should be more on part-1.
@quinnsinclair7028
@quinnsinclair7028 4 года назад
Emeral Bookwise First, it’s his channel so he can do what he likes. But more important the two episodes are so violently different from one another that they might as well be different stories. If you took any of the Series 1-4 finales into and editor and shaved off the opening and closing credits you could fit them together seamlessly. They are one story in two parts. This just isn’t. It’s one story, followed by what might as well be that text scrawl from Red Dwarf that’s done super fast about how what was going on was completely solved with no repercussions, done in such as way that it makes the point that the clean up was not in any way important. I agree with you that they are not two distinct stories but that’s only because one of them isn’t a story at all.
@xproflipscarab
@xproflipscarab 4 года назад
@@quinnsinclair7028 sorry there tough guy how dare we disagree with someones content .... xD
@quinnsinclair7028
@quinnsinclair7028 4 года назад
1000gamer Disagree with someone’s content all you like. But when you start tossing out insults about how they run their content, which incidentally is entertainment they put a lot of work into that costs you nothing, then there’s a problem.
@xproflipscarab
@xproflipscarab 4 года назад
@@quinnsinclair7028 he wasnt insulating anyone, he just said his ideas were hypocritical....
@quinnsinclair7028
@quinnsinclair7028 4 года назад
1000gamer and what world do you live in where calling someone a hypocrite isn’t antagonistic?
@DrT999
@DrT999 4 года назад
Is this episode more of a fun romp ending for the series rather than a big dramatic ending? Yes. I had fun watching it, YMMV
@RachelReiss
@RachelReiss 4 года назад
Revealing how the magician does the tricks can be a a good show. But it's a different kind of show, and if you are expecting a magic show it isn't likely to work, so yeah.
@DPS31762
@DPS31762 4 года назад
In all honesty, I can't remember what I thought of this episode on first watching it, but in retrospect I find it just another example of the all-to-frequent use of the reset button in NuWho, especially during the Moffat era.
@PaulAndroid
@PaulAndroid 4 года назад
I feel like rebooting the universe here is much better than the ending to "The Last of the Time Lords." In that story, it was never set up that destroying the paradox machine could reverse time. It was so randomly thrown in. Here, fixing the universe was the goal of the episode, and it's method of doing it was explained well before doing so. Also, blowing up the universe did have consequences. It was how the cracks were created, and it sets up how big of a threat the silence are before we even know about them.
@Mrazmatmahmood
@Mrazmatmahmood 4 года назад
The paradox of the Toclafane killing their ancestors was so great that the Master needed to convert a Tardis into a Paradox machine to hold it together.The Toclafane couldn't even come through without the Paradox machine being activated. It makes sense to assume that destroying what was holding all of that in place would cause the timeline to snap back into place (Kinda like an elastic band) and restore everything to a second before the Paradox Machine was activated.
@nightowl8477
@nightowl8477 4 года назад
Honestly, I think it tied up all the loose ends with as much elegance as it could have done. And that ending with Amy bringing the Doctor back (while dumb) is beautiful. It should have had a primary narrative and a secondary narrative, rhe second of which would be the plot fixing. Instead, it just had the secondary. That's not a massive problem for me, tbh, but I acknowledge it.
@trekjudas
@trekjudas 4 года назад
D&D did the same thing over at Game of Thrones. Yeah on paper Dany going crazy and destroying Kings Landing makes sense but in execution it doesn't.
@PatheticApathetic
@PatheticApathetic 4 года назад
Kevin Thomas n-no it doesn’t. At all. What makes sense about it?
@trekjudas
@trekjudas 4 года назад
@@PatheticApathetic They did telegraph that she might go mad like her father but the way they executed it just didn't feel right.
@PatheticApathetic
@PatheticApathetic 4 года назад
Kevin Thomas no they didn’t... at least not anymore than “her dad was crazy and she might be too, you know”
@stratuvarious8547
@stratuvarious8547 4 года назад
one thing soured my enjoyment of the episode, the doctor and the sonic are both in the pandorica, so how did the loop even start?
@xproflipscarab
@xproflipscarab 4 года назад
Yeah its an impossible paradox the only way for the doctor to get out was for the future doctor to give rory the sonic but for the future dr to exist in the first place he would have need to get out.
@PhilOsborne
@PhilOsborne Год назад
So when River tells the Doctor that his solution is brilliant, essentially Moffat is telling himself how brilliant his story is.
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks Год назад
Yyyyyyyyyyyyep
@CulturePhilter
@CulturePhilter 4 года назад
2nd parts of two parters being a lot weaker than the 1st part seems to be a common thing with Moffat season Finales. This, Heaven sent/Hell Bent, World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls. Often the first part is amazing and the 2nd part just can’t live up.
@lucasdolding6924
@lucasdolding6924 4 года назад
I mean nothing was ever gonna be better than Heaven Sent to be fair (although some people like both parts equally), but I actually prefer The Doctor Falls over WEaT and probably prefer the second parts to both the Series 5 and 8 finales.
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 4 года назад
Heaven Sent is a STAND ALONE EPISODE! If I say it loud enough, I'm hoping I can reshape reality to make it so.
@lucasdolding6924
@lucasdolding6924 4 года назад
I mean you can definitely look at the last three episodes as stand alone episodes with just the connection of Clara's death running through them; they do each have their own narrative, themes, tones and style. They are also all visually different to one another, whereas most multi part stories have a similar look and feel to them. It's why I rank all three separately.
@CulturePhilter
@CulturePhilter 4 года назад
lucas dolding - fair enough. I didn’t hate The Doctor Falls but I LOVED World Enough and Time. Glad Falls gets its love from some people though.
@lucasdolding6924
@lucasdolding6924 4 года назад
Yeah, both parts are really good. They're my third favourite story from NuWho.
@stuartarmstrong5190
@stuartarmstrong5190 4 года назад
Watching Moffat tie up the loose threads and complicated strands he has woven? Hey - I'll take that any day! Sure, there is not a huge sense of threat or high stakes but you don't need that all the time. It's fun and I love it. I am missing Moffat
@robmic8180
@robmic8180 Год назад
I think one solution for the "such a big setup, no consequences" thing could be at least making the Doctor regenerate
@WiloPolis03
@WiloPolis03 4 года назад
I could tell just by the thumbnail that we're returning to another episode of *_Screw You, Moffat!_*
@WiloPolis03
@WiloPolis03 4 года назад
@@carealoo744 I mean if I'm being honest Steven Moffat is probably my favorite showrunner so far. Chibnall could still dethrone him, I mean every showrunner has had their one or two mediocre seasons
@WiloPolis03
@WiloPolis03 4 года назад
@@carealoo744 I don't think it's the worst season, but it's probably one of them. There's a couple good episodes, the direction is beautiful, and all the performances are great, but everything else is just meh. But yeah I am sick of hearing all those skeptics whining about it on RU-vid
@alexpotts6520
@alexpotts6520 4 года назад
I love this story, but funnily enough the way you feel about this is similar to how I feel about Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead, another Moffatt story I don't like as much as everyone else seems to. (Ie it's clever more than it is a good watch.)
@Fanatic_Foremem
@Fanatic_Foremem 4 года назад
I got the impression that the consequences were that, as a resultof the rebooting of the universe, several things would have been changed majorly, such as the daleks now having a different structure. I assumed the episode was meant to be a continuity safety net to let moffat tell stories that didn’t mesh with past events, but we never got anything to justify that later since he played pretty close to established events. So this episode is only bad for me now that the moffat run is complete. There was no attempt to explore how the new universe might have changed apart from maybe the dalek invasion and related events didn’t happen.
@nathaniellangham
@nathaniellangham 4 года назад
This is a great review. SM does tie up the lose ends but it lacks tension and it is without consequence. Doctor Who should be bold and heart breaking and we haven't had that since season 1 really
@sezzac155
@sezzac155 4 года назад
I like the episode, but upon reflection that tonal shift that you mentioned may be the reason why I found it a bit hard to follow and more confusing than it perhaps should be. I don't mind it feeling that it's like seeing the method behind a magic trick but your absolutely right that it lands differently.
@Concreteowl
@Concreteowl 4 года назад
Almost unsubscribed after the opening image. The Big Bang is my favourite finale. A very clever slotting together of the jigsaw pieces. I swear I didn't see the wedding rhyme coming until it happened. Lighten up crumpy chops.
@NPCarlsson
@NPCarlsson 4 года назад
I think it works better as a sort of goofy back and forth mish-mash thing with no sense of incurring threat is because... there basically isn't an incurring threat. I mean they lost. The universe literally ended. They're not trying to save it. They're just kind of stuck in the aftermath. It's like the end of a battle. There's no tension anymore, there's just emptiness. But, there's still that little sense of optimism from the Doctor and the team and they carefully figure out a clever way to, not save everyone, but basically start over with a whole new universe. I do have a question, though. You said multiple times that there have to be lasting consequences and "if you're not gonna have consequences, don't go that big!". But... why? Seriously. Is there a reason for not being allowed to do that that you can put into words other than "don't" and "NO"?
@OlympianHeroes
@OlympianHeroes 4 года назад
I kind of agree with what you said. This whole episode is basically the end of every other episode , the Doctor doing his thing in a wacky way after they've lost once in order to fix anything.
@evaserration6223
@evaserration6223 4 года назад
The line from Amy precedening her 'something old something new...' where she said 'that's why you told me the story the brand new ancient blue box oh how very clever' encapsulated your feelings 100% for me of Moffat's self congratulation. Despite that I still like this finale more than Last of the Time Lords.
@greghawkins59
@greghawkins59 4 года назад
Moffat has the right to self congratulate here tho, it's a great episode and he hadn't yet ruined the show 😂
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 4 года назад
@@greghawkins59 Chibnall ruined the show.
@greghawkins59
@greghawkins59 4 года назад
@@mayotango1317 the show was already ruined by the timd chibnall came along, it was still capable of the occasional good story tho. Chibnall put the nail in the coffin tho, literally not a good thing left about the show anymore.
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 4 года назад
@@greghawkins59 Series 11 is the first time I think Doctor Who was dead. In the Moffat era had alien planets, creative ideas and weird scy-fi. Chibnall is like the RTD era, to much modern London soap opera and lack of scy-fi fantasy.
@Nulono
@Nulono 4 года назад
I actually liked this one better, but I also like learning how magic tricks work, so maybe I'm just weird.
@andrewbowman4611
@andrewbowman4611 4 года назад
The main reason that seemingly impenetrable plots are reset at the end "without consequences" is the British television landscape. Unlike the US, so-called genre television sits alongside current affairs, light entertainment, soap operas, cookery shows, and sport. As such, not everyone will watch every episode. Yes there's iPlayer and its ilk, but they're only used by small percentage of viewers. The result is that however big the threat Doctor Who cannot, and indeed should not, keep plots going indefinately. Shows like Game of Thrones or Supernatural require viewer loyalty; you can't begin with season 4 and expect to know what's going on. Doctor Who is different: you can start with series 11 and not have to worry about missing anything. As for The Big Bang itself, it has a very British sitcom vibe, most akin to Coupling. Personally, I think it's great.
@greghawkins59
@greghawkins59 4 года назад
I like seeing how the problems were fixed. Would be kinda cool if there had been some consequences like Rory remaining an auton or something though.
@gunlovingliberal1706
@gunlovingliberal1706 4 года назад
I have to agree that this episode does not live up to the promise of The Pandorica Opens. However, I did like some moments. For me the wedding reception redeems this episode. When Amy recites, "Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue," I get goose bumps. P.S. I was surprised that the original version ended with "a sixpence in your shoe" which represents prosperity and makes it end with a rhymed couplet. www.theknot.com/content/wedding-traditions-the-meaning-of-something-old
@pastaguy7053
@pastaguy7053 4 года назад
I have to disagree with your point that all it is just a wrapping up of plot threads. This episode is subversion in a lot of sense which is what I like about it so much. It's basically a reverse two-parter where usually the first part is all set up/exposition while the second part is grandiose and action-filled. Like a lot of season five, it's kind of a counterpoint to the Russell T Davies Era. Example: Pointing out how kind of creepy/weird a romantic relationship with the Doctor would be for a human companion. Davies had a big problem where he kept escalating his finales to a point where it kind of got ridiculous. And with that escalation came the problem of: "How do you raise the stakes after you threatened all of reality?" So what Moffat does is do the threaten to destroy the entire universe thing but, instead of focusing on the grand nature of it he brings it down to a character level. He focuses on the characters and how much they're personally struggling. It's not about tying up loose ends, it's not even about the end of the universe, it's a story about a man who didn't come back when a girl needed him. I know it probably won't change your mind but that's my two cents on it.
@jessemartin7718
@jessemartin7718 4 года назад
I like the ending of the episode. Doctor telling little amy the story of himself. Him appearing at her wedding. The dancing. I love that bit. But as far being a conclusion to the pandorica opens or even the most of the rest of this episode, it doesn't actually go together. And the fact that there's no consequences, yeah that's a missed opportunity. Still a good episode though, esp compared to the other finales 11 got. Sad that this was the best finale to me until capaldi.
@Ben-vf5gk
@Ben-vf5gk 4 года назад
@Council of Geeks, So which do you prefer, this or Last of the Timelords?
@danielsleeper2307
@danielsleeper2307 4 года назад
Honestly... I really have to disagree with you on this one. I can see where you're coming from though. First off, the Doctor didn't really create a new universe where history happens to play out the same, he basically just reinstated the "old" one. Also, Amy's parents weren't a result of the "new" universe, it was from Amy's mind, like bringing back the Doctor. I also think that the weight of the universe being reduced to Earth and the threat of the universe ending are very much omnipresent with the lack of stars, the "sun", and the lack of people. There's a creeping, sinking feeling of a clock winding down throughout the entire episode. I think this story works and works well. I don't think it needs a ton of emotional weight either? The Doctor, Amy, Rory, and River all know what needs to be done, so they're getting down to business. And, these episodes might be a case of Heaven Sent and Hell Bent (although not as great and awful as those stories) - The Pandorica Opens' story was done and The Big Bang had to pick up where it left off on the cliffhanger, the same way Hell Bent had to pick up from Heaven Sent with the link of the Doctor and the godawful Hybrid. Also, I think Amelia (young Amy) still serves a purpose in her vanishing. It's not much, but it demonstrates how the universe is slowly fading away, being chipped away at. I think this has humor where it needs to (The Doctor is out of the Pandorica? With a mop and fez? Wha??) The universe wasn't *ending* it had already *ended* really, so they had a bit of "time". I really like The Big Bang and I hope you come to like it too. It's such a great finale. Cheers!
@Manganra7
@Manganra7 4 года назад
I really like “The Pandorica Opens.” I can barely remember what “The Big Bang” is about, that’s how disappointed in it I was.
@j-train13
@j-train13 4 года назад
just a thought that I want to put out there (not really a video request but maybe) how would the Doctor have attempted to stop Thanos, considering he's a much less battlefront person
@BoraCM
@BoraCM 4 года назад
I personally love The Big Bang, and at several points I say something along the lines of 'Ah! That's clever!' and I like the fact that it is like a puzzle, because it's so enjoyable to fix it and to think about how it could be resolved. And at the end, I think 'Brilliant'. In my eyes, it is a very good finale, and has a wholesome ending, tying up most of the loose threads, and then it adds intrigue when River Song says that the Doctor will find out very soon who she is. In my opinion, The Big Bang is better than The Pandorica Opens, and that episode is fantastic, absolutely fantastic, and you know what? So was this. I don't know why I did a 9th Doctor reference. It just happened. The humour is great and made me laugh plenty of times. It's hard to describe. It's exciting how you find out how the puzzle works and how to solve it, at every turn. It's packed with lots of content and quite fast-paced, but it also slows down a bit sometimes.
@mindyp51d
@mindyp51d 4 года назад
Although I loved the ending of "The Big Bang," I agree that it's a big letdown after "The Pandorica Opens." It reminds me of "The Best of Both Worlds Part 2" (Star Trek: The Next Generation)...an absolutely tremendous first episode and one hell of a cliffhanger, and then....
@immoralq
@immoralq 4 года назад
Moffat's problem, in my opinion anyway, is that he's so busy being clever that he forgets to tell a good story. And, of course, he's always trying to one-up himself, so he goes to greater and greater lengths to be cleverer - to the point where it stops being clever and just becomes ridiculous. He did it with Doctor Who and he did with Sherlock and now he's apparently got Dracula in his sights. I am very wary of watching that.
@pallas9113
@pallas9113 4 года назад
If we are talking logic... The end of universe was brought about by the explosion of one Tardis. That's some unbelievable OP Time Lord black magic. Also, there was a time war. (The impact of which is very... convenient throughout the new series.) The universe would have vanished like a million times over if it was that easily eliminated. I guess I've just swept these under the "DW black magic" mat which I've long since turned my brain off for lol
@jamesnesbit4899
@jamesnesbit4899 3 года назад
I do love the ending where Amy brings the TARDIS back at her wedding
@TheMarcHicks
@TheMarcHicks 4 года назад
Sorry, but this finale still sits as one of my Favourites of New Who.....alongside Stolen Earth/Journey's End. Your review hasn't changed that opinion at all. Had a great "Bill & Ted" vibe to it that I really enjoyed.
@neptunesphere3964
@neptunesphere3964 4 года назад
There are consequences to the universe ending. It’s what caused the cracks in time.
@holodoc
@holodoc 4 года назад
I greatly enjoyed Big Bang. I'm fine with all of that and filed it under entertainment factor while better defining the characters and Amy's universe.
@MrNicktkh
@MrNicktkh 4 года назад
I understand and agree with all your criticisms BUT can't help but love seeing how far Rory would ho for Amy and seeing how old The Doctor sounds as he talks to a sleeping Amelia. Every time I see the part Rory says that Amy is more important to him than the entire universe it moves me
@greghawkins59
@greghawkins59 4 года назад
Before watching this I can already hear "deus ex machina" 😂 it definitely is one but I don't see a way out of that situation without one and tbh, it works fine for me. The whole madness as reality collapses is done great.
@CharlestonRat
@CharlestonRat 4 года назад
I actually like it that everything is restored and there’re next-to-no consequences at the end, both here and in Last of the Time Lords. I like this idea that the world ended… and nobody realised. It’s a surprisingly effective way of making it feel like this could have actually happened IRL. I see where you’re coming from. I just have a different POV.
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 4 года назад
That's an interesting perspective. I can't join you over in that POV, but it's interesting.
@CharlestonRat
@CharlestonRat 4 года назад
@@CouncilofGeeks And so you shouldn’t have to! It’s your opinion - you’re well within your right to keep it :-)
@cinder1013
@cinder1013 4 года назад
Maybe it doesn't work because they couldn't think outside the box and do more than 1 follow up episode. It needed more time. That said, I liked it because I wanted to. I wanted to have this wrap up positively and I appreciated a happy ending. Still, it was like Bad Wolf. I felt like we never got a good answer.
@ryanvale6066
@ryanvale6066 4 года назад
I feel the same way about this episode, I'm so glad someone put it into words (Awesome video as always, keep up the good work)
@jmurray1110
@jmurray1110 4 года назад
really unrelated to anything but one of the things that annoys me the most is the fact that they got Richard Dawkins (an evolutionary biologist) is explaining why stars should exists when an astrologist would be more appropriate and the fact that they would assume that an exploding tardis would have similar properties to our sun when the tardis has large amounts of metals and alien technology when our sun can only have elements up to iron at the very very most and greater levels of hydrogen so the fact they could hypotheses the existence of other galactic bodies would exist i am aware that it might be possible in a world with no other data points but the old adage absence of evidence is not evidence of absence but we have to be realistic with this since this has to be based in some similar realm of reality if the scientists are suggesting this hypothesis
@jayanderson9375
@jayanderson9375 4 года назад
“ treats it kinda like a puzzle”; the Endgame syndrome.
@NormalFoot
@NormalFoot 4 года назад
I think the only “consequences” of the rebooted universe is all of the RTD era invasions of earth have now never happened! As in the Daleks never stole earth, gallifrey never appeared in the sky, and a giant robot cyberking never stomped through Victorian London - because nobody remembers that happening! Anyway, love your thoughts! I always find it so interesting when you have an opinion that is contrary to “accepted fandom”... because you spell it out thoughtfully and politely, without malice. Thank you for that!!
@lucasdolding6924
@lucasdolding6924 4 года назад
I don't think it necessarily undid the invasions but rather no one remembers them like how Amy couldn't remember the Daleks in Victory, so that the show can re-explain certain enemies etc for new audiences and characters.
@martinmorles1
@martinmorles1 4 года назад
Also I hate the tone shifts in the matt Smith era with the over top music /speech ugh really lowers the stakes cause it makes the most tense moments comedic
@euanhastie4671
@euanhastie4671 4 года назад
One thought that occurred to me, is the sometimes excessively clever writing of Moffat's more pronounced during the 11th doctors run? With him being the "clever" doctor? For the record I am generally a Moffat supporter, I started noting his work after he wrote "Coupling".
@quinnsinclair7028
@quinnsinclair7028 4 года назад
Euan Hastie I would imagine that’s because during Ten’s run Davies was reeling Moffat in and telling him, “no were not doing that. No that doesn’t make sense” whereas now as the boss he’s surrounded by people telling him how clever he is and no one pointing out how little sense some of his work makes.
@olliebean
@olliebean 2 года назад
I can tell you what's changed at the end of this episode, because I know that this was a very deliberate outcome of it: the human race no longer has memories of all the alien attacks and encounters that happened to it during the RTD years. Moffat wanted to reset all that and have a clean slate, and this is how he did it.
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 2 года назад
Yeah but... with the stories he went onto tell how much did that actually matter? I the earthbound stories that came after these didn't need that to be the case. The Silence were self-scrubbing, Power of Three plays out the same either way, and all the others were tightly contained to limited locations (Town Called Mercy, Hide, Cold War, Crimson Horror, etc.)
@DovahkriidRoy
@DovahkriidRoy 4 года назад
IMO this is the most successful season arc in new who history.
@jonathan.palfrey
@jonathan.palfrey 4 года назад
This is interesting, because I almost always agree with your take on Doctor Who stories, but here I don't. It seems to me that you're taking The Big Bang too seriously because you liked The Pandorica Opens and you took it seriously, and you wanted a fitting continuation to it. Fair enough. Whereas I really disliked the whole galaxy ganging up on the Doctor, I thought it was ridiculous and over the top, and I didn't want any more of that, I wanted a completely different story next, and that's what I got. I suppose The Big Bang was also over the top, as you say: destroying the universe and recreating it unchanged; but I didn't really bother me because I largely ignored it. I liked seeing a number of favourite characters getting some more exercise and interaction, and I also liked the timey-wimey bits. As for the universe getting destroyed in the background, bah, that's the sort of Moffat excess that I politely disregard if I can. I'd have preferred him not to do it. As you say, it makes no sense that a reboot of the universe would result in exactly the same history all over again. But I enjoy The Big Bang, oddly enough because the universe getting destroyed and recreated becomes a background detail that doesn't have enough impact to spoil the rest of the story.
@KarlWitsman
@KarlWitsman 4 года назад
I liked the episode, but I had some issues and they were possibly different issues than you addressed. I agree that destroying the entire universe wasn't done right...it didn't even need to be done at all. This is more, to us fans, about the destruction of the Doctor. That was more our focus and would have made a better story. I don't know how the writer would have re-created him without the New Big Bang, but something less catastrophic might have worked better as a story. Just the attempt to get the Doctor out of the Pandorica and hi-jinks ensue.
@trekjudas
@trekjudas 4 года назад
Where did the crack come from in the first place? Does the TARDIS have the blow up the entire universe because that would seem to be a design flaw!
@LightLMN
@LightLMN 4 года назад
Design flaw and design feature... maybe. This leans extremely heavily on expanded and obscure media to the point that it might just be my headcanon assembled from coincidences: The Time Lords of the Rassilon/Dark Times era imposed logic and reason on a universe of chaos, magic, and unreason. They bound this reality by defining the laws and history of it, tying it to the Eye of Harmony, creating order and reason defined through the form of the Web of Time. This is why paradoxes are Bad, because they break what is making sure the universe stays inhabitable and structured, and stops magic and darker things from eating everyone. The Eye of Harmony was on Gallifrey when it was destroyed, meaning that all those tethers and supports holding and underpinning the entire universe were snapped when the Eighth/War Doctors activated the Moment. As of the events occurring during Series 5 and Pandorica Opens, the Doctor's TARDIS is the last surviving TARDIS in the entire universe, making it the only place that the existence of the (weakened fragment of) the Eye of Harmony remained: The Heart of the TARDIS is the last strand of thread stopping the entire universe from deciding it doesn't like chronological order and turns inside out, and switches off all the stars in the process. So when the TARDIS blows up... absolutely everything goes with it. As an interesting side note: RTD commented in some WoG for Torchwood, that (at least during his tenure as showrunner) the Torchwood/Cardiff Time Rift may or may not have initially been created by the TARDIS exploding, meaning that the TARDIS was fuelling itself up on the energy expended by its dead future self, making every single story from Series 1-5 a closed time loop that was then never happened afterwards. In the scope of the wider Whoniverse it's seems like a pretty reasonable conclusion, so it's all probably actually much more complicated.
@PaulAndroid
@PaulAndroid 4 года назад
@@LightLMN I had always assumed something along those lines. Nice to see someone else with the same idea.
@torstenv01
@torstenv01 4 года назад
Yeah I don’t think the Big Bang works the weird thing is to is that when Amelia wakes up she is instantly an adult with a mum and dad. There’s no repercussions for that she brings the doctor back then flies off again with Rory and he is not plastic no more.
@bluehero-96
@bluehero-96 4 года назад
What bothers me about this episode isn't really the tone. What bothers me is that the story arc doesn't even end. Sure it's set up for the Silence in series 6, but in my opinion it wastes series 6 by stretching out the arc. If the Silence were revealed and dealt with at the end of series 5 and not at the beginning and end of series 6, I'd be happier with this episode.
@robinjohnson6301
@robinjohnson6301 4 года назад
I agree, this episode never really worked for me either. I never cared for Moffat's approach to series finales. The finales of series 5, 6, 8 and 9 all fall flat on their face for me, largely because of the issues pointed out on this video. I like the finale of series 7 quite a bit, certainly an improvement. But for me, series 10 is the only one with a finale that delivers like the T Davies ones used to. I also find the series 11 finale to be weak but that's for other reasons.
@FlipzMCL
@FlipzMCL 4 года назад
This episode definitely doesn't hold up on the rewatch, but it's worth giving credit where it's due; the sheer spectacle of "untying the knot" was enough to convince me that the show would keep me interested, and of course the characters and acting got me emotionally invested on that end. Even if this isn't one of the series highlights, I still think it and the previous episode make for a decent jumping off point to see if a prospective viewer will be able to handle the confusing complexities of the series and still enjoy themselves; maybe that's just personal bias talking, but I don't think the more emotionally intense episodes would have hooked me if this two-parter hadn't primed me for the rest of the show.
@spiggypop
@spiggypop 4 года назад
I think Moffat would write himself into an impossible corner giving you a brilliant 1st half and cliffhanger but then forced to struggle out of it in the 2nd half giving you a messier overly complicated finale
@mgrimble3975
@mgrimble3975 4 года назад
I love this episode lol
@TheMarcHicks
@TheMarcHicks 4 года назад
Sorry, but there are loads of consequences......that keep cropping up all the way through to Time of the Doctor.
@jamiestevens3074
@jamiestevens3074 4 года назад
IMO ‘the pandorica opens’ is far better than mthe big bang’ but they’re both just meh episodes. If it wasn’t for the fact that it’s matts and Moffats first finale and the fact it has so many different villains, it would just be a very forgettable and fluffy story.
@callisto8413
@callisto8413 4 года назад
I liked it but there were certain things that bugged me. Like a Dalek begging for its life.
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 4 года назад
That I actually like because it's a calculated move based on the known humanity of the Doctor's companions. It's a bit of scheming we don't see from the Daleks much anymore, but used to be a staple of their appearances back in the day.
@callisto8413
@callisto8413 4 года назад
@@CouncilofGeeks Ahhh..the good old days. When Daleks tried to be sneaky and have backup plans and used surprise.
@KennethDillard
@KennethDillard 4 года назад
I wasn't keen on the ending of "The Big Bang". Similar to how "The Last of the Time Lords" built up really nice, where you even thought the bad guys might win, the sudden victory of the Doctor wasn't really sci-fi, and more drama. In both instances we have feel good moments driven by thoughts and memories--and then BANG, all is right again. While they make nice dramatic moments, they don't gel well with either Part Ones in terms of build up, or in resolution. It's too bad, because in both instances, had the endings been better thought out, we could have had stories/arcs that rank near the top of Who all-time. As of now, they're both just....Meh.
@trollloool1307
@trollloool1307 4 года назад
What they should’ve done is have massive holes in the universe in which unknown threat from other universes invade our universe and the Doctor could’ve spent the next season traveling the universe to face these threats, trying to putting them back and trying to close the holes
@AmyWarriorPrincess
@AmyWarriorPrincess 4 года назад
I understand and respect your opinion, but I will always love this 2 part finale.
@patrickb125
@patrickb125 4 года назад
I've always liked this episode, I know you never did, but I think it's creative, the beginning is good and sums up things well, and unlike you I think it resolves stuff pretty well. The ending is fantastic. The emotion gets me every time. I do agree it can get a bit annoying, like with Amelia, I hate that. I still think it's stupid, but everything else works for me.
@theluvyoumake
@theluvyoumake 4 года назад
I love your facial expressions at the beginning of the reviews
@quinnsinclair7028
@quinnsinclair7028 4 года назад
If I’d have been writing this episode here’s how I’d do it. The Pandorica was designed to withstand anything. As such it is the only thing to survive the destruction of the universe. Once the universe is gone, as has happened many times, a new one begins. Billions of years later the Pandorica is discovered in an ancient ruins where it had crashed on a new planet thousands of years ago. It is brought back to a museum where after all this time the Doctor has finally managed to unlock all the locks on the Pandorica which triggers it to open. He steps out into the new universe. At first the new universe seems to be thriving and though he is devastated at everything he lost he doesn’t feel that he has to right to restore the old universe if it means deleting this one. That is until he discovers that at the Center of this universe which the planet he is on is orbiting remains his Tardis. The temporal nature of the explosion means the blast is still radiating outward. Though it has lost intensity in the last five billion years the energy from it is still deleting things at random from the universe though it now lacks the power to consume it as a whole. The doctor decides to forcefully dissipate the explosion so that it can’t harm the new universe by extinguishing the Eye of Harmony. Over the course of attempting to do so the doctor discovers that the Tardis isn’t exactly gone. It’s shattered into a thousand pieces but it’s transdimensional nature coupled with the temporal explosion have resulted in dozens of rooms scattered throughout the explosion that are mostly intact, decaying at a snails pace. He used this fact to rescue River Song then sets about on a new plan. Reconstituting the Tardis and funnelling the temporal explosion into the Eye of Harmony chamber which was created for just such a purpose. While doing so they begin to experience hundreds of temporal echoes of things that happened in Series 5. Among them is the scene where Rory shoots Amy. The Doctor switches gears and uses the Tardis console to sync their time stream with the time echo of Amy and Rory. River prevents Rory from killing Amy. These time echoes, a product of the temporal energy around them makes the doctor realize that the old universe isn’t gone. At least not completely. The exploded Tardis converted the universe into temporal energy to burn in the explosion but that energy still contains the information that made up the old universe. After five billion years of burning the old universe is now incomplete. So much data has been burned up that it cannot simply be thrown into reverse and undone exactly how it was. Using the Pandorica as a catalyst they institute an inversion of the Tardis’ destruction that causes it to explode outward, instead of sucking things inward to consume. As it does so the temporal energy is reconstituted into the remains of the old universe, where incomplete the old universe blends with the new one, maintaining much of what had been created. In the aftermath the Doctor explains that things will largely be the same but the details will be messed up. The Golden Gate Bridge is the wrong colour, people have different names, some historical events didn’t play out the same way. It’s earth but now exactly the one they left. The Doctor sits in the remains of the Tardis. The console and some of the control room is intact but the trans dimensional shell is broken and all the other rooms burned up along with anything of worth the Doctor had in them. River helps the doctor restore the exterior phone booth appearance and they attend Amy and Rory’s wedding together. Rory is still made of plastic. Not terrible for a first draft. Could use some polishing and the emotional beats are brushed over but it can’t be worse than the wishywashy consequence free mess we got instead.
@quinnsinclair7028
@quinnsinclair7028 4 года назад
Yeah in general that’s how most of my first drafts look. The main ideas I had were the Doctor opening the Pandorica in the next universe and dealing with the decaying remains of the Tardis explosion. Everything else is connective tissue that needs some major straightening out. To be fair that’s the result of five minutes of brain storming on how to sort out a very messy and badly wrapped up cliff hanger. More work would make it look a lot cleaner.
@quinnsinclair7028
@quinnsinclair7028 4 года назад
Madman How so? The original wrap up was “everything explodes and then is miraculously fine with no consequences”. It’s saving grace was that the actors are talented and the dialogue was witty. Mechanically speaking it was a complete mess but that it relied on mechanic heavy elements wasn’t the problem. The problem was among other things, that there was no sense of danger and no lasting consequences afterward.
@quinnsinclair7028
@quinnsinclair7028 4 года назад
Madman The problem is that this story has massive narrative stakes that the episode deals with in the absolute laziest and unfulfilling way possible. Why does there have to be a choice made between those? Why can the story not have great personal stakes and a good theme about the power of memory while also having a fulfilling narrative structure. Doctor Who doesn’t always have to adhere to rigid sci-fi action structure but it is really jarring when the first part of a two parter does exactly that and the second part takes a sharp left turn into merry whimsy. It’s tonally discordant.
@quinnsinclair7028
@quinnsinclair7028 4 года назад
Madman I can’t possibly imagine what episode you were watching but it was not the same one I saw. All I saw was the biggest narrative cope out I’ve ever experienced in television saved only because the characters involved were charismatic. If you want to talk stories about characters with no stakes take the episode about the dream lord. Objectively no one was in any kind of danger in that episode. Literally nothing bad could have happened to them. However it is masterful because despite that the dreamscape is used to amazing effect to examine the characters of Amy, Rory and the doctor and their relationship to one another. That’s the kind of story that you have to go in writing. This changes gears at the midway point cause it felt like Moffat gave up on what he’d setup in the first half cause it was too difficult to deal with, added some technobabble to assure everyone it was fine and plastered over the cracks extremely charming character interaction in the hopes that a good laugh would make everyone forget about the absolute mess of a story that the laugh was contained in. Part 1 is a tense action thriller and Part 2 borders on science fiction sitcom. Like either of those are fine on their own but you can’t just switch one out for the other at a moments notice when the first becomes inconvenient.
@quinnsinclair7028
@quinnsinclair7028 4 года назад
Madman They’re both episodes that should have had stakes but didn’t so I feel the comparison is apt. The difference is in the dreams lords case those stakes weren’t important to the point of the episode. Amy’s Choice wasn’t about which world to choose, if they would live or die. It was about who she would choose, about what kind of life she wanted and what was important to her. That’s why it still works, even on the rewatch when you know there’s no real threat. The fact that there’s no technical problem with the solution means that it is consistent, not that it is fulfilling. The term deus ex machines comes from old Greek plays in which when a writer wrote themselves into a corner they’d just have their hero pray to their chosen deity who would then appear on a lowering platform and fix whatever the problem was. It was consistent with the fiction. Gods could do anything so there was no contradiction. That doesn’t make it a fulfilling end to the story. At a very basic level there are three elements at the core of every story, stakes, risk, and cost. Stakes comprises the problem facing the hero and what will be lost if it isn’t fixed. Cost is what will be sacrificed to achieve that fix and risk is the bridge between the two in the possibility of failure. For a story to be fulfilling the stakes and the cost have to equal each. If the stakes are the fate of all creation and the cost is the five dollars in the hero’s wallet it doesn’t feel like you’ve just saved the world, it feels like you were just mildly inconvenienced. Likewise if the stakes are too low the hero doesn’t bother paying the cost cause it’s not worth it. In this story the stakes are the fate of the universe and the cost is absolutely nothing. Not only that the risk is also flatlined because no one shows any doubt that the solution will actually work. For this story to feel fulfilling the Doctor would have to lose something on a personal level that is equal in emotional value to the material value of the entire universe. Davies at least knew this, while he was not above a fix it button, the fix it button was never free like it is here. In Series 1 it cost a regeneration, in 2 it cost him Rose, in 3 it cost him the last member of his species, in 4 it cost him Donna and in 5 it cost him the chance to see his people returned to life. I’m not going to argue the validity of each of those examples because they went off with varying degrees of effectiveness this just felt like a no contest hit. It felt like in a video game where you blow all of your once a game items only to discover it’s just a cut scene and the boss fight doesn’t happen to way down the line. It feels cheap. It feels like I was cheated out of something. I’m not going to pretend there was nothing of value in the Big Bang but it desperately needed three more drafts and to be an individual story. Shackling it to Pandorica Opens killed one of the show’s best cliffhangers and invalidated anything unique it might have been trying to say.
@angrybrony
@angrybrony 4 года назад
not doctor who related i have been meaning to ask if you'll be doing a she-ra season 4 review and was wondering what your thoughts on the charater double trouble.
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 4 года назад
Tune in tomorrow.
@mohammadsoori9831
@mohammadsoori9831 4 года назад
I wish you were able to have a fairy tale read on this text instead of a logical one. Only then the emotional resonance of this episode falls into place. It did for me!
@quinnsinclair7028
@quinnsinclair7028 4 года назад
one above all There’s a reason why fairy tale rules don’t work well in a sci fi setting unless that has been set up as an expectation. In this kind of setting when I see someone shot I expect them to recover from surgery, not from someone putting their hand over the wound and healing them with the power of love. Pandorica Opens was very much hard sci-fi. You can’t jump immediately from that to a completely different tone and another version of your genre. It’s jarring. Doctor Who does fairy tale well sometimes but it has to lay that out as the expectation and follow through with it. It can’t swap between sci-fi and fairy tale in the same story as is convenient.
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 4 года назад
I don't have a problem with a fairy tale vibe, but if that's your argument, the episode itself betrays that feel by focusing on the logistics for 80% of its runtime.
@sbi168
@sbi168 4 года назад
I love this episode and the two parter as a whole. I like the complete shift in tone, setting and feel of the episode. I understand why u want it to have stakes but u must understand that this would most likely be mandated by the BBC rather than Moffat. And in all honesty I don't mind it! I like that they fall back into the patter and adventure. I love the whole something blue bit. I think young Amy is always great and the cast do great work. Rory is especially good. Loved the through back to flesh and stone that u kinda knew was important at the time. Love his speech to sleeping Amy where u feel the weight of his 900 years in the youngest body going. Love the dalek and the slow disappearing of everything and how he uses the museum to amplify the isolation. Yeah I appreciate your well argued points but 100%disagree on this front. Keep um coming tho! I'm rewatching them too, not as consistent but yeah enjoy hearing your thoughts after I have rewatched them
@bigreaderpike
@bigreaderpike 4 года назад
At the 8 Minute marker this video about going big and having consequences while I do agree with you on that the truth is there are a lot of things where they should have been more consequences then people should have been remembering these things like all the times the Cybermen invaded and nearly destroyed the world or the Daleks or probably a dozen other things that weren't localized or in the past of the distant future but actually happened in current day I mean it should be so common that the doctor should be a household name and alien should be a everyday topic considering they get invaded so often
@christinewahl3470
@christinewahl3470 4 года назад
i just found the story confusing. i agree with you.
@thenerderrant4293
@thenerderrant4293 4 года назад
One fix for this would have been to make it a regeneration story.
@beingheardmedia6339
@beingheardmedia6339 4 года назад
That's cause you expect logic and sense and, you know, quality 😄 But if, like me, you have an inner 13 year old girl😏 this episode ROCKED!!!! I can watch season 5 episode 1 and then these 2 over and over again. Why? VINDICATION. Amy's belief in her so-called imaginary friend is vindicated. What sci-fi/fantasy fan wouldn't LOVE to have just one such tale come true?! But you might have to have an inner 13 year old girl to get it 😁
@ZachsMind
@ZachsMind 4 года назад
No offense intended here but arguing that Pandorida Opens works and Big Bang doesn't is to me akin to arguing that everything in Douglas Adams' Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy works up to the point where we get to Zaphod and Trillian in The Heart of Gold. Douglas Adams intentionally writes himself into an impossible corner and then uses the very idea of infinite improbability to write himself out of it. Why? Because it's funny. It's entertaining, and when he wrote the original radio plays he honestly didn't think anyone was really paying attention. It was a paycheck to him. It was a paying gig and he was just trying to entertain whoever tuned in. Even when decades later people were still paying him, this time to write a movie script based on the TV series and the books and the radio play and the stage version and even a text based video game and goodness knows what else.. The very idea of The Infinite Probability Drive is intentionally silly. That's the whole point. Now the end of Pandorica Opens is supposed to be completely and utterly impossible to fix. The universe is going to cease to exist if the Doctor can't get out. So we open with The Big Bang and even tho we saw everyone The Doctor's ever ticked off surround the Pandorica and The Doctor and only The Doctor could possibly get imprisoned there for all time, the person that comes out is not The Doctor but Amy. "Okay kid this is where it gets complicated." So it's yet another switcheroo. Another act of clandestine prestidigitation. The same thing that happens in practically every other episode, and the rest of The Big Bang either explains how the magic trick works or goes out of its way to ignore the icky parts. And essentially the universe gets a nice reboot. Or a reset. Or whatever you want to call it. It's cheesy. It's silly. It's not gonna make sense. However, as the best Doctor Who always does, it does hold true to its own internal logic. As for the rest we just have to quote from Joel and the Bots: repeat to ourselves it's just a show and we should really just relax. I mean you can still be upset if you want, but I'm still more upset about that episode during Peter Capaldi's run when The Moon is revealed to have always been an egg for a giant space dragon. However that's never spoken of before or since. I could probably do a twenty minute video about that one. That one really sucked, but even that one had a couple nice moments in it. This one has Amelia Pond meeting her older self and I was sold just on that premise alone. So I guess it boils down to what you want from your Doctor Who entertainment. If I wanted the science in my science fantasy stories pretend to make more sense, I'd still be watching The Expanse. Sometimes silly is just more fun than raw and gritty.
@HouseholdWheel
@HouseholdWheel 4 года назад
Though I liked the episode in and of itself, I was disappointed that they didn't take the opportunity to literally reboot the universe and free up some room for potential ret cons.
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