Overstride does not increase stride length when running

Fredrik Zillén - Running Technique Specialist

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It's easy to think that if you put your foot down far in front of you when you run, that you are overstriding, that you have a longer stride length than if you put your feet more below your centre of mass. This is a misunderstanding that I've heard from many people, but it can make it difficult for you to develop a more efficient running technique. But this is not the case. Where you place your foot in relation to your body has nothing at all to do with your stride length.
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Fredrik Zillén is an running technique specialist that has over the years helped thousands of runners to a more efficient running technique - from the slowest beginners to members of the Swedish national team in running and triathlon who have participated in the World Championships and the Olympics. Fredrik also writes articles on effective running technique for Runner's World magazine.
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Комментарии : 37

@moose1689 11 месяцев назад

These exaggerated running postures really help to visualize the problems!

@UseForhere 5 месяцев назад

quite useful for me to understand the pace,the strike, the cadence . Thanks a lot

@luimulder3768 11 месяцев назад

If you are running let's say by landing your feet directly under your body and then for one length you abruptly change to an overstride, then you have in fact increased your stride length. But guess what, your next overstride will go back to a lower stride length. That's because the start of the measure tape for the next measure will be at the spot of your last overstride. Hopefully this example helps someone get past the mind boggle

@thokar81 11 месяцев назад

Lots of running this week, 3rd Marathon. Finished also your course the evening before (some audio session still open). Was a great experience with course and helped me a lot, it is worth every cent/penny. While doing the marathon i really liked to be able to switch running styles to distribute the overload of the muscles to different parts of the body. Like getting more power from the hips, when quad hurts or increase/decrease cadence for more or less pjong. BTW in the English version of the course the strength and mobility excercise for "strength and mobile hips" is the same as "adductor strength". Same exercise video, but different language.

@qigong1001 25 дней назад

Yup, I had short stride length with overstriding, and it injured the ligament behind my knee big time. Only figured it out after I video'd myself sideview. In my mind, I was running perfectly.

@kjlkathandjohn6061 11 месяцев назад

The person with higher vertical oscilation will have a longer stride length of two runners with same cadence, plus a lower percentage of contact time. Both can contact ground in same relation to mass center. If pace is same, then vertical jump heights will also be same , as well as stride length. If keeping same cadence, spring higher and you will be going faster with automatically longer stride. Running is alternate foot jumping, at a trajectory. A 90° jump trajectory is called "running in place".

@Kar-i3d 11 месяцев назад

Really appreciate your work ❤

@HS99876 11 месяцев назад

Good information, Butt muscles has to be strong to pull you leg back up!!! Long distance running, your legs has to come up behind you, for that you need strong butt and Hamstring muscle!!!

@santoshgujar5237 10 дней назад

✨Thank you, Sir, 🙏✨

@ndk4 10 месяцев назад

Your examples 😂😂😂

@honza1859 10 месяцев назад

I started to think - what really overstriding is? Someones say - hit the ground with your foot just under your hips. But others say - it needn't to be just under your hips but the angle that make shin and the ground at the time of the first ground contact is the right angle. The second case seems ok but what if the angle at the knee is too high? Eg (in extreme) also right angle? (Something like during the drill called lunges.) Is this overstiding? Maybe not be also not a corrct technique. So - what is recommended ange at the knee at the time of the first ground contact?

@prentishancockgardening 11 месяцев назад

Hi Fredrik, Prentis here again - big fan of yours and also your biggest critic! I'm going to rib you on this one as well. I agree with the Maria and David story - not enough information. But, at 1:56, you say "if two runners have exactly the same pace, and exactly the same cadence then they will have exactly the same stride length." I agree! But you then go on to demonstrate something completely different and unrelated to the statement. Pretty much everything else you say in the video is nonsense. You cannot have a short stride length and still be over-striding. That is absolutely nonsensical. Over-striding is when you are reaching for a stride length which is greater than your natural stride length. And, by the way, all world-class and top performance runners do this when in competition, and accounts for about a 10% improvement in their speed relative to their performance runs in training. For men, this accounts for a typical training stride length of 1.9m and a middle distance (1500m) competition stride length of typically 2.1m. That's why competition races bloody hurt. What you are talking about is not over-striding but incorrect landing. That's something completely different. At 3:00 you say you "didn't keep the same cadence". Well, why didn't you? It undermines the entire pretext of what you are conveying. Any coach who tells his protege to take shorter steps needs to think about a change in career! And lastly, of the whoppers in this video, whilst running on the beach or over snow will leave footprints so you can measure stride length, these are very poor, and dangerous surfaces to run on, and will yield false, and short stride lengths because these surfaces sap energy return from your push-off. A neutral surface like concrete or tarmac is much better, especially if you can draw chalk marks on the ground at 10cm intervals and video yourself traversing a decent length of this marked ground at various speeds.

@mikevaldez7684 11 месяцев назад

@prentishancockgardening, You clearly did not understand the video. Go back to rapping & pulling weeds for a living. 👌🙋🙏

@prentishancockgardening 11 месяцев назад

@@mikevaldez7684 - Then please explain it to me, Mike?

@mikevaldez7684 11 месяцев назад

@@prentishancockgardening Why would I waste my time? Fredrik already told me you were a troll😁🙋🙏

@prentishancockgardening 11 месяцев назад

@@mikevaldez7684 - You up-voted both of your own comments. Damn!

@yacool 11 месяцев назад

@@mikevaldez7684 Frederik still doesn't understand running technique and his video is wrong. Overstriding lengthens stride and allows to run faster thanks to braking forces.

@cristian-adrianfrasineanu9855 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for the debunking. I still can't rewire the way I think about this because I cannot separate overstriding from the stride length since I image if I start putting my foot farther away from the center mass, the stride length would naturally increase. Since these two are not correlated, would there be any metric that would show that you're overstriding? (like GCT?)

@luimulder3768 11 месяцев назад

Hey there! I'd like to try answering your question or put my thought for others to chime in on. I think cadence may be the metric to detect overstride, albeit indirectly, since overstride creates braking forces and slows maximal potential. The best way to detect overstride, I heard Frank say in a previous video of his, is to video yourself.

@natethetoe386 11 месяцев назад

Newb here, but maybe I can add something to the conversation. When you land with your foot out in front of your body, it does not increases your stride length. It increases your contact time with the ground. Land with the food below you, and you immediately start pushing yourself back up. Land with it out in front, and your not really creating force, until the food is below you. See what the Fredric says about this?

@prentishancockgardening 11 месяцев назад

Cristian, the video is a little off. Fredrik's definition of over-striding is faulty. Over-striding is when you try to make your stride bigger in order to go faster. There are three ways to achieve this: 1. reaching further out in front with the landing foot, 2. pushing off harder and at a higher angle with the take-off foot, and 3, a combination of both 1 and 2. Landing under your centre of mass is largely irrelevant and has been debunked.

@prentishancockgardening 11 месяцев назад

@@natethetoe386 - Nate, it does a bit of both. It's a nuanced balancing act. If you saw Kitata winning his Marathon, I think it was in 2020, beating Kipchoge, you'll see how much he overstrides. It didn't slow him down.

@cristian-adrianfrasineanu9855 11 месяцев назад

@@prentishancockgardeningwhat if you have both overstriding and incorrect landing at the same time? Would that be considered good mechanics?

@yacool 11 месяцев назад

In high performance runners overstriding is an integral part of non-metabolic propulsion. Thanks to this, you generate horizontal braking and more elastic potential energy is stored in the tissues. So overstriding provides a longer stride.

@yacool 11 месяцев назад

" it slows you down" No.

@mikevaldez7684 11 месяцев назад

@@yacool yokol, it slows you down 👇

@mikevaldez7684 11 месяцев назад

@@yacool Gait (Horizontal) propulsion is adversely affected by braking forces.

@mikevaldez7684 11 месяцев назад

Only being able to run faster, farther & longer matters to competitive long distance runners 😁🙋🙏

@yacool 11 месяцев назад

Every elite runner slows down in all steps. This mechanism let them load tissues and push of much efficient. This is non-metabolic push off, which occurs in first 25% of GCT. That means that the elite runners get maximum dynamics of push off when stance phase is still during overstriding.