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Overview of Soviet Military Handguns: Nagant, Tokarev, Makarov 

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Today we are looking at an overview of Soviet military service sidearms. This begins with the Model 1895 Nagant revolver, inherited from the Czarist Russian Army. The Nagant was adopted as the standard Red Army handgun, specifically in double action. Soviet refitting led to single-action Nagant revolvers being extremely rare today. In the late 1920s, a development program for a new semiautomatic pistol was run, which resulted in adoption of the TT30 Tokarev. Refinement of the Tokarev led to the TT33, adopted in 1933 and entering significant production in late 1935.
The Tokarev was considered a flawed pistol, and a new program in the late 1930s looked to replace it. A new design was chosen, but the German invasion in 1941 ended that project, and the Tokarev and Nagant would serve together through the end of World War Two. In the aftermath of the war, the Soviet Union adopted a wholly new suite of small arms. The new pistol was to be something lighter and handier, and with better safety features than the Tokarev. The PM Makarov was adopted to this end, and entered production in the early 1950s. It was used through the collapse of the Soviet Union, with a PMM (modernized) version unveiled in 1990, with a larger magazine. Eventually, the Russian Federation adopted the MP-443 Grach in 2003, a locker-breech 9x19mm pistol to replace the Makarovs.
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@ZGryphon
@ZGryphon 9 месяцев назад
I have a double-action Nagant, and the 40,000-ton DA trigger pull makes Tsarist officers' concern that their men couldn't be trusted with the double-action version even more hilarious than it already would have been. It's hard work to make one of those things go off on _purpose,_ let alone by accident. :)
@Ailasher
@Ailasher 9 месяцев назад
"oncern that their men couldn't be trusted with the double-action version even more hilarious" Nope. It's not funny. At all. The Russian aristocracy, which obviously made decisions because Russia was an absolute monarchy with the broadest rights of the aristocracy, treated the commoners in much the same way as the white majority of US treated the black population at that time. Only there was no racial undertone, only a social one. "It is forbidden to enter with dogs and for lower ranks" - well known signs on a shops in St. Petersburg. Another reason why the Bolsheviks won.
@ZGryphon
@ZGryphon 9 месяцев назад
@@Ailasher There is such a thing as _gallows_ humor, after all. A thing doesn't have to be pleasant to be funny.
@Ailasher
@Ailasher 9 месяцев назад
@@ZGryphon Point taken.
@GordonTurnerpark
@GordonTurnerpark 8 месяцев назад
The only reason firearms like the Nagant revolver, Tokerav and even the Mosin Nagant soldiered on so long is because of the backwards nature of Communism.
@Zigfried207
@Zigfried207 8 месяцев назад
Btw thats one of reasons why soviets gave everyone double-action I guess Ideologically, that makes sense
@davehopkins6291
@davehopkins6291 12 дней назад
I had a doublestack mak just like that one years ago. Sweet little shooters.
@Suger5zero
@Suger5zero 9 месяцев назад
The Tokerav is my favorite pistol
@bobadams4962
@bobadams4962 9 месяцев назад
Daddy has one of nagaunt pistols yeah I probably butchered the name Im ok with that such a cool gun
@HipnoDark
@HipnoDark 9 месяцев назад
Love all, can't have any.
@ilyakochurovsky5232
@ilyakochurovsky5232 9 месяцев назад
Stechkin are missed in this collection ? A so close...
@aleksandaryovchev8423
@aleksandaryovchev8423 3 месяца назад
Where is STECHKIN ?
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla 9 месяцев назад
Interesting how the Soviets went from a short recoil autoloader to a simple blowback, when most other countries went the opposite direction.
@WardenWolf
@WardenWolf 9 месяцев назад
I think the Soviets had the right idea, though. In the post-WW2 era where everyone has 30+ round magazines in self-loading rifles, you're not going to be using your pistol nearly as often as in WW2 and before. It goes from being an important stopgap when caught reloading or being overrun to being something you'll only use in a rare dire emergency where probably no pistol will save you or in extremely tight environments, and for that the Makarov is perfectly suited. It's powerful enough, it's lightweight and compact, it's simple, it's reliable, and it's accurate. And it's extremely safe. How often have our soldiers actually had to use their M9? In how many of those occurrencesz would a Makarov been perfectly adequate? Probably at least 95% of them.
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla 9 месяцев назад
@@WardenWolf Yeah, though even the Russians eventually adopted a double stack 9mm, so evidently the extra power and capacity eventually became relevant.
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla 9 месяцев назад
@@nono-jj9rr Really really early on in the development of autoloading hanguns, so 1890's or 1900's. And yeah, eventually everyone went to some form of a short recoil locked breech pistol.
@justalurker3489
@justalurker3489 6 месяцев назад
​@nono-jj9rr I'm pretty sure that Belgium adopted the FN 1900 in .38 ACP before WWI, it looks like the Tokerev, but it's a straight blowback.
@Crazy_AK_Bear1077
@Crazy_AK_Bear1077 4 месяца назад
​​@@WardenWolfWhen you mentioned the M9. I almost started laughing. In my 10 yrs, active duty, carried the same one for almost 9 of them. Every time I had an armorer tell me, 'Your safety/decocker is bad. It only decocks, doesn't go on safe. You can DA while it's indicating safe'. I'm going, Ok what's the problem? Just change the barrel, don't touch the internals. It works just fine when I need it. Never had a problem, with it in weapons qualifications. Let alone a shoot house.
@billcook7285
@billcook7285 9 месяцев назад
I remember in the 90s, when the Nagant revolvers were imported to the US. They practically gave them away. But you couldn't find ammo anywhere.
@tedmichas7709
@tedmichas7709 9 месяцев назад
When i bought mine there was a conversion cyclinder to 32acp
@billcook7285
@billcook7285 9 месяцев назад
@@tedmichas7709 I never saw that.
@donwyoming1936
@donwyoming1936 9 месяцев назад
They were about $60-$70 wholesale. You could get Fiocchi ammo back then for about $20-$30 box. By the late 90s, Russian military ammo had become available.
@billcook7285
@billcook7285 9 месяцев назад
@@donwyoming1936 I don't think I paid $60 for the pistol.
@jamesneufeld-b7e
@jamesneufeld-b7e 9 месяцев назад
I had one back then. Didn't know that you can use various .32 revolver rounds.
@Hosenfuhrer
@Hosenfuhrer 9 месяцев назад
7:30 Naturally, however, you absolutely shouldn't run 7.62 Tokarev in a Mauser broomhandle, thanks to the higher pressure. I've heard stories about Finnish troops that have destroyed some broomhandles by doing that, since the cartridge dimensions are practically identical.
@scottmccrea1873
@scottmccrea1873 9 месяцев назад
One would think that whichever cartridge came second would have been made in a way to readily distinguish it from the other if that's the case. But nope. Let fortune decide! said the engineer! Like the guys who designed the Pinto. "It won't happen _that_ often. We're good enough."
@martinswiney2192
@martinswiney2192 9 месяцев назад
So if a Finnish troop blows up a Broomhandle doe he become a Finish troop? 😂
@Hosenfuhrer
@Hosenfuhrer 9 месяцев назад
@@Bob-qk2zg I have some hazy memory that there's an even hotter load for SMGs, but no idea how true that is.
@messmeister92
@messmeister92 9 месяцев назад
@@scottmccrea1873the Pinto reference is going to fly right past some folks, but those of us who understand are laughing our asses off 🤣
@mrdizzy678
@mrdizzy678 9 месяцев назад
​@@scottmccrea1873they never saw the Gremlins coming.
@paleoph6168
@paleoph6168 9 месяцев назад
Ah yes, the Soviet standard sidearm trinity: Nagant, Tokarev, and Makarov.
@greycatturtle7132
@greycatturtle7132 9 месяцев назад
😂
@MrQwerman
@MrQwerman 9 месяцев назад
А стечкин?
@Dellloga
@Dellloga 9 месяцев назад
😇 🙏
@doc43souls74
@doc43souls74 9 месяцев назад
@@MrQwerman Тут скорее всего обсуждаются общевойсковые пистолеты, или даже пистолеты конкретно для пехоты, в то время как Стечкин создавался с изначальной целью вооружения только офицеров, сержантов, солдат некоторых конкретных специальностей и для экипажей боевых машин, которым не полагался карабин или ПП.
@sonnysantana5454
@sonnysantana5454 9 месяцев назад
and the stechkin pistol
@genericpersonx333
@genericpersonx333 9 месяцев назад
Mind, the problem with the TT not shooting well through tank pistol-ports had some legitimate grounding. The Red Army paid very close attention to the performance of their tanks in the Spanish Civil War and infantry swarming tanks was a huge problem. Several times, Republican tankers were compelled to shoot the enemy off their tanks with small arms. This being a time when most tanks were still using flags and hand-signals to communicate, asking friendly tanks or infantry to hose down the problem was much more complicated than it would be later.
@cameronnewton7053
@cameronnewton7053 9 месяцев назад
Even at the start of WW2 the chronic lack of radio in Soviet tanks would still make it a legitimate issue.
@TiocfaidhArLa34
@TiocfaidhArLa34 9 месяцев назад
why not put some underfolder PPS43s in the tank for that? seems like it would not take up too much space to keep 2 or 3 of them in the tank with a couple mags a piece.
@stinkybuttrat
@stinkybuttrat 9 месяцев назад
​@@TiocfaidhArLa34 what do you think the 43 stands for in that name?
@genericpersonx333
@genericpersonx333 9 месяцев назад
That would be partly because we are discussing thinking in the time period of 1936-1941 when there aren't folding SMGs like PPs43 yet in the Red Army inventory. That also doesn't solve the problem that even the best SMGs INSIDE the tank can't do much to hurt bad guys outside the tank without opening a hatch, which is when the bad guys put nasty things through said hatch. The actual solution was always just improve the coordination of tanks with infantry so the tanks didn't have bad people crawling all over them in the first place, but you would be surprised how many militaries even in 1939 were convinced that tanks and infantry shouldn't stick very close together, even the nations that had "infantry support" as a primary mission for their tanks! 1936-1941 was a very wacky time to be a tanker. @@TiocfaidhArLa34
@25xxfrostxx
@25xxfrostxx 9 месяцев назад
I have a Smith and Wesson No. 3 in .44 Russian. Odd part is, my great uncle got it from a Japanese officer at Iwo Jima. Our guess is, it was a pickup all the way back in the early 1900s by someone and it kicked around Japan for 40 years or so.
@samuelprice2461
@samuelprice2461 9 месяцев назад
Actually not an unheard of story at all. The Imperial Japanese government used the No. 3 Russian as their standard issue sidearm for a number of years in the late 1800s. Many of them hung around for a long time.
@BryanJohnson4891
@BryanJohnson4891 9 месяцев назад
Russian officer has no. 3 in 1905 Goes over to Port Arthur Jap officer takes it as a trophy Gives it to his son/grandson They bring it to Ieo Jima You end up with it 2025 Mars war Martian space command officer kills you Takes it 2,000 Light years from Terra, year 40,000 Horus kills an imperial guard officer Picks up his No. 3 Thinks “Huh reloading this is gonna be a nightmare”
@Montycat78
@Montycat78 9 месяцев назад
Very nice of that Japanese officer to give him the S&W. Hope they stayed in touch 😊
@25xxfrostxx
@25xxfrostxx 9 месяцев назад
@@Montycat78 He felt that he had no further use for it. One of his friends also gave him a raw silk battle flag that I held onto as well. Quite a generous people. The flag even came with free DNA spots on it.
@causewaykayak
@causewaykayak 9 месяцев назад
Thats a really neat way to tell a fascinating story 👍🏼
@th3mrmeeseeks277
@th3mrmeeseeks277 9 месяцев назад
I love Ian and forgotten weapons, but $50 for a mug is too much.
@DmitryKandiner
@DmitryKandiner 9 месяцев назад
Two points: PM stands for Пистолет Макарова, transliterated as "Pistolet Makarova", - Makarov's Pistol (note that there is no "n" there). Also, it seems that the APS (Stechkin's Automatic Pistol) somehow escaped this overview.
@Horgler
@Horgler 9 месяцев назад
The APS wasn’t really a standard Soviet sidearm like these were. Maybe if he gets access to more specialized handguns like the PB and PSS he’ll do a part 2.
@alexeytsybyshev9459
@alexeytsybyshev9459 9 месяцев назад
Yankee doodle went to town On a little pony He stuck a pistol on his belt And called it "Makarovni"
@Saren-yc1rk
@Saren-yc1rk 9 месяцев назад
APS was a really niche gun, that also no one actually liked for how huge and heavy it is for a pistol, and awkward to to shoot for a submachine gun. Much more of a flop than TT-33.
@mikemoore4033
@mikemoore4033 9 месяцев назад
That pistol in the middle may have had a lot of problems, but it sure is pretty.
@garan111
@garan111 5 месяцев назад
They copied the look from Browning 1903. But on the Tokarev the trigger group is removable with no tools
@KaDaJxClonE
@KaDaJxClonE 9 месяцев назад
Using Cyrillic letters to spell things in English must be super confusing for eastern Europeans. I can only imagine how long they try to decipher what nonsense is being offered to them before they realize it's just English.
@petergasic7805
@petergasic7805 9 месяцев назад
It takes a second of peripheral cofusion seeing "ф" used an an "o", but it isn't too bad.
@TrulyGodsGoofiest
@TrulyGodsGoofiest 9 месяцев назад
It's not really hard or confusing, it's just stupid lol.
@AlexN2022
@AlexN2022 9 месяцев назад
Ian, please do a video on Russian pistols after Makarov. You already did PSM, but I'm sure there's more to say if it's put in context.
@P_RO_
@P_RO_ 9 месяцев назад
Some more Tokarev history: In it's day the usual carry mode for almost all armies was chamber empty, so lacking a safety was considered almost a non-issue. That also allowed more economical manufacture which mattered a lot in those world depression days, as well as making the use simpler and with fewer things to go wrong or break. When the USSR broke up, Russia became infested with criminal gangs whose sources of arms was limited to mostly what corrupt military personnel could supply. They chose the Tokarev for slimness or the Makarov for compact size as their needs might dictate. Though not by intent, the Tokarev was found to readily penetrate the early soft ballistic vests. This was before or at the beginning of the 'level' ratings, and they made special "Tokarev rated" vests for that. Apparently the Asian criminal elements of the time also had quite a few Tokarevs in use as the Hong Kong police force was the first to commonly use those special vests. Body armor is better these days and almost all of it will handle the Tokarev now but for regular FMJ bullets, the Tokarev cartridge still has some of the deepest penetration found in a pistol.
@antontsau
@antontsau 4 месяца назад
almost right. In 1990s TT were not stealed from army (where they were not used for more than 30 years) but from abundant storages, where they laid still since rearming to PM and no one cared about 1000s of oily 50 yo crates to check. Plus many of them were available as dig-outs, by illegal excavations of WWII battlefields.
@zacharywilliams8220
@zacharywilliams8220 9 месяцев назад
Please no more faux Cyrillic
@LD-xt1vo
@LD-xt1vo 9 месяцев назад
A cheesy American habit, for an American audience. But I can see your point: when a fair chunk of your audience actually uses the script, it's wise to reduce confusion for them. Greater authority means greater responsibility.
@tutzdesYT
@tutzdesYT 9 месяцев назад
​@@LD-xt1voi read cyrillic and still find this faux cyrrilic funny.
@kot0472
@kot0472 9 месяцев назад
​@@LD-xt1voMost people with butthurt about it in comments are English and Americans.
@LD-xt1vo
@LD-xt1vo 9 месяцев назад
@@kot0472 Hmm, interesting! I would not have expected that, especially from the Americans. (I don't know much about British culture).
@silverjohn6037
@silverjohn6037 9 месяцев назад
7:00 Please don't think you can do the reverse and use a Russian 7.62 Tokarev round in a C 96 Mauser though. I had a friend who lost an eye firing 7.62 out of a C 96 Mauser and having the action blow back in his face.
@stefanosiclari
@stefanosiclari 9 месяцев назад
Please Ian, don't write in "russian" like that in the thumbnail... For the sake of all of us who can read cyrillic 😂
@tutzdesYT
@tutzdesYT 9 месяцев назад
I can read cyrillic and find it funny. It is not as funny as passport in Bourne movie, but funny nonetheless.
@azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401
@azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401 9 месяцев назад
What about the modern Russian pistol Mp443 Grach
@kot0472
@kot0472 9 месяцев назад
For the sake of all English/US people who want to show off that they know cyrlic that much. Only you have problem with this. :V
@stefanosiclari
@stefanosiclari 9 месяцев назад
@@tutzdesYT I find it funny as well. If you want a really good one, watch "The Death of Stalin" when in the opening he looks at the political prisoners' lists...
@BasedBelkan8492
@BasedBelkan8492 9 месяцев назад
ah yes the doidld tyatsmr
@robertrobert7924
@robertrobert7924 9 месяцев назад
Since I own these pistols (except for the last one) it was really interesting to review their history with Ian and morning coffee. Thanks Ian.
@jimsmith5148
@jimsmith5148 9 месяцев назад
“Makarova” - invented by Makarov. “Makarovna” - daughter of Makar. 😂
@ComradeCole
@ComradeCole 9 месяцев назад
"When we want to shoot our own guys, we'll do it on purpose, not by accident!" - some Soviet Officer, probably.
@DSlyde
@DSlyde 9 месяцев назад
9:08 does anyone have a name or any details about this ultimately unsuccessful replacement pistol? I'd love to read more about it.
@gilmour6754
@gilmour6754 9 месяцев назад
Yeah I'm also super curious about this! I've never heard that they wanted to replace the tt-33 before ww2.
@Alemikkola
@Alemikkola 9 месяцев назад
Leaving a comment to get notified when someone comes up with the answer.
@X_Voidhawk_X
@X_Voidhawk_X 9 месяцев назад
am really curious aswell, does anyone know?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 9 месяцев назад
Voevodin
@doc43souls74
@doc43souls74 9 месяцев назад
A really kinda nice gun, even got made a bit (from 500 to 1500 pistols were already made by the time of German invasion), yet sadly the invasion started and the factories weren't re-tooled for the production of Voevodin pistol.
@ZekeAxel
@ZekeAxel 9 месяцев назад
6:57 - The C96 Mauser is like, the iconic Russian Civil War pistol you'd see in movies.
@BlipperOfRays
@BlipperOfRays 9 месяцев назад
Exactly. And it was immortalized in Vladimir Mayakovsky's "The Left March": "Ваше слово, товарищ Маузер".
@nunyabidniz2868
@nunyabidniz2868 9 месяцев назад
Hence "Bolo" for the short-barreled C96 model favored by the Bolsheviks... Also why the 7.62 Tok was adopted, since it's basically just a higher-pressure variant of the 7.62 Mauser they already knew & loved!
@alcedob.5850
@alcedob.5850 9 месяцев назад
@danijelovskikanal7017to be fair, it only could appear in the final years of the 'Wild' West. It was imported in the US in 1901 as far as I am aware. I've seen information that Texas rangers bought some in 1902 but couldn't find the primary source (it was supposed to be photo of cpt. Brooks of Brownsville, TX). However, the gun appeared in some westerns. I can definitely remember it in Corbucci's 'Il Grande Silenzio'
@coreymerrill3257
@coreymerrill3257 9 месяцев назад
I feel heard . I definitely mentioned how they use the same barrel blanks for as many guns as possible. It was a big deal for logistics and weapons design. If your handgun, smg, carbine,rifle, and small caliber machine guns all use the same barrel blanks , it saves time and money as well as theoretically giving all of your personal small arms more durable barrels because the barrel material must be usable in machine guns .
@antontsau
@antontsau 4 месяца назад
Russian legend is that TT were made from failed, noncompliant rifle barrels, just cut them to smaller pieces and select reusable ones.
@kalin6149
@kalin6149 9 месяцев назад
No offense ian, but whoever decided that a cleaning mat for 49.99$ with a meme on it as the only way to enter was a terrible decision. At 30$ id think about it, but not 50$ + S&H.
@DevinMoorhead
@DevinMoorhead 9 месяцев назад
Early gang let's frickin go
@LD-xt1vo
@LD-xt1vo 9 месяцев назад
I'm with you there!
@dansullivan9353
@dansullivan9353 9 месяцев назад
“Adopt something that doesn’t shoot our own troops” laughs in KGB 😂
@brittakriep2938
@brittakriep2938 9 месяцев назад
According to a german arms magazine, a large number of remaining S&W revolvers had been converted to flareguns for reason of the breakdown mechanism. Is this true?
@SinaelDOverom
@SinaelDOverom 9 месяцев назад
The titlpic reads something like "5phviet napo9in phveyaviesh" It really hurt my eyes. Please stop using "pseudocyrillic" fonts.
@Rickster621
@Rickster621 9 месяцев назад
I think that even if it wasn't Soviet era, the SR1MP pistol program is really cool. And should be covered here.
@greycatturtle7132
@greycatturtle7132 9 месяцев назад
Yea
@yochaiwyss3843
@yochaiwyss3843 9 месяцев назад
I read it as "shrimp"
@napatora
@napatora 9 месяцев назад
​@@yochaiwyss3843glad i wasn't the only one
@napatora
@napatora 9 месяцев назад
"i carried the shrimp when i was in the red army"
@greycatturtle7132
@greycatturtle7132 9 месяцев назад
@@yochaiwyss3843 xD its a good name
@FoxtrotFleet
@FoxtrotFleet 9 месяцев назад
I hope Ian will do something similar with all the Walther PP/Makarov clones of the Warsaw Pact. I can't find any comprehensive video or series of videos comprising of them all. I find those little double action compact .32/.380/9mmMak clones quite fascinating!
@jameswood8796
@jameswood8796 9 месяцев назад
Tokarev Rocks!! Especially the m57TT improvement of it. You did a review on it but not a shooting video. Maybe you should.
@maxamillionjazzhands4034
@maxamillionjazzhands4034 9 месяцев назад
lol the thumbnail says "Sfviet NdpDgup EfVyoyaviyo"
@DoubleyouCeeGee
@DoubleyouCeeGee 9 месяцев назад
What pistol was chosen to replace the TT pre-WW2 before being scrapped?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 9 месяцев назад
The Voevodin.
@Clipgatherer
@Clipgatherer 9 месяцев назад
Maybe the famous Soviet “pistol wavers” of World War II were merely holding their Tokarev pistols aloft for security reasons. 😊
@roman_sudneko
@roman_sudneko 9 месяцев назад
Hey, how about PK? I mean "pistolet korovina".
@d.b.1176
@d.b.1176 9 месяцев назад
I wish I got a Nagant pistol back when they were $99 😢
@rotwang2000
@rotwang2000 9 месяцев назад
Ian did forget the Podbyrin 9.2mm, the most powerful handgun ever made.
@doc43souls74
@doc43souls74 9 месяцев назад
lmao
@actionjksn
@actionjksn 9 месяцев назад
500 S&W Magnum is the most powerful in the world.
@ChibabaDave
@ChibabaDave 9 месяцев назад
The guy whonwrote that line must know about firearms.
@rotwang2000
@rotwang2000 9 месяцев назад
@@actionjksn Incorrect comrade, please check the most excellent documentary "Red Heat" about an average Soviet Militsiya officer using the Podbryn 9.2mm doing routine police work in USSR and you will discover performance far exceeds that of capitalist inferior revolver technology comrade.
@me.ne.frego.
@me.ne.frego. 9 месяцев назад
A video about the origins of the gas-seal system including the Pieper and García Reynoso revolver would be awesome.
@johnytwojackets5640
@johnytwojackets5640 9 месяцев назад
_«An old TT is better than judo and karate»_ - Russian Wisdom
@manicmachinegun6253
@manicmachinegun6253 9 месяцев назад
The double action of the nagant revolver is stupid heavy I don't know how you would accidentally be able to pull it 😂
@Ashcrash82
@Ashcrash82 9 месяцев назад
I happened to stumble onto an 1895 Nagant that is indeed still single action only. Unfortunately, it is a mix-master of parts so really doesn't have much value. It has a sideplate the the Peter the Great mark (dated 1913), but doesn't have the serial number where it should be on the frame. There are also a few small parts in it marked with the Tula star, which I believe dates them to the later 1920s.
@bosef1
@bosef1 9 месяцев назад
Obligatory reference to exceptional caliber of Soviet Yunyun.
@andrewrife6253
@andrewrife6253 9 месяцев назад
The nagant revolver has the absolute heaviest, worst trigger I've ever pulled. I've joked that the scene in enemy at the gates where the Russian officer is shooting soldiers jumping from the boat during the river crossing with a nagant is the least accurate part of the movie since the officer is easily pulling the trigger with any sort of accuracy.
@wheelguns4wheelmen802
@wheelguns4wheelmen802 9 месяцев назад
Totally agree. But with practice you can get decent accuracy, especially with the 7.62 Nagant cartridge. I have a video on my channel of me shooting one six times from 40 yards landing like 3 or 4 shots on a standard sticky cartridge.
@kusokbik
@kusokbik 9 месяцев назад
"Makarovna" would be a patronym of a female whose father's name is Makar. Drop the "n", it's "pistolet makarova"
@viceconsulimhotepienenobed1573
@viceconsulimhotepienenobed1573 9 месяцев назад
Why isn't there an APS there ? Considered a PDW more than a PA (automatic pistol in french) ?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 9 месяцев назад
It's a PDW.
@viceconsulimhotepienenobed1573
@viceconsulimhotepienenobed1573 9 месяцев назад
@@ForgottenWeapons thanks. Do you have a video on what a PDW is exactly ? I tend to consider it's not a real category (PDW are always SBR, SMG or PA)
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 9 месяцев назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hJdv5uTtFJ8.html
@Roddy556
@Roddy556 9 месяцев назад
9:54 Despite this requirement Soviets would continue to shoot other Soviets with pistols, although under slightly different circumstances.
@SayakMajumder
@SayakMajumder 8 месяцев назад
7:39 What was this replacement of the Tokarev during the early 1940s? Any name?
@huihuihuihuihuihui1
@huihuihuihuihuihui1 9 месяцев назад
Bro really said SФIET HANDGUN ФVEЯEW in the thumbnail 💀
@Noobyara1337
@Noobyara1337 9 месяцев назад
Ian, please, Pisolet Makarova, not MakarovNa :(
@throwback19841
@throwback19841 9 месяцев назад
"So what do you need [to build socialism comrade] ?" "Guns. Lots of guns."
@KA-hijazi
@KA-hijazi 5 месяцев назад
in Syria, Tokarev for soldiers and Makarov for officers
@nonyabiz9487
@nonyabiz9487 9 месяцев назад
Russian firearms are often laughed at however in my eyes they are actually pretty good and inovative. That Nagant revolver was very innovative even to this day there is no revolvers that seals the gases like that. Also the Tokarev was ahead of its time especially with the modular components that we are only seeing in militarys now. THe Makarov was also ahead of its time being one of the first concealable semi autos like the Walthers.
@Kreozot2D
@Kreozot2D 9 месяцев назад
Using Ф as a replacement of O is so painful to see on this preview
@Kreozot2D
@Kreozot2D 9 месяцев назад
Usiиg sфviэt phфпt just fфя sakэ фf a sфviэt-thэmэd pяэviэш
@alexbrands11
@alexbrands11 9 месяцев назад
О боже!! Что за русские буквы ты выдумал для заставки Йен???🤣🍥🤣
@anaxis
@anaxis 9 месяцев назад
What was the Tokarev was going to be replaced with, prior to the German invasion, that didn't have a reciprocating slide?
@tsarfox3462
@tsarfox3462 3 месяца назад
The Soviet system of adoption makes a lot of sense for the time as does the American one. America was already heavily industrialized so they had plants ready to receive a design and spit it out. The Soviets were still industrializing and building up factories so they basically planned a factory to make a gun and when the factory was done, the adopted gun was ready for mass production.
@CHMernerner
@CHMernerner 7 месяцев назад
"double action revolvers are too dangerous to give em to our soldiers" sounds like Russian Empire thing.
@spacetoast4874
@spacetoast4874 9 месяцев назад
A Romanian tokarev Tt-c was my first gun I bought and carried lol. Jacketed hollow Points of course.
@JACKSONLEWISOFCANADA
@JACKSONLEWISOFCANADA 9 месяцев назад
But dang is the tokarev cartridge a stout one that even offers excellent ballistics by todays standards….
@TiocfaidhArLa34
@TiocfaidhArLa34 9 месяцев назад
yeah its like a 5.7x28 of the second world war.
@alcedob.5850
@alcedob.5850 9 месяцев назад
During WWII there was a prototype machinegun-like belt-fed heavy SMG that was supposed to be effective up to 400 m. It was cancelled after they developed 7,62*39
@mkzhero
@mkzhero 9 месяцев назад
The 'Russian' letters are so cursed, not my Russian nor English side can make sense of them lol
@el_wumberino
@el_wumberino 8 месяцев назад
Dear Ian, To me the most enjoyable parts of your videos are always the historical facts. Your profund knowledge, your love for details, your passionate and very likeable presentations are fascinating-and, my goodness, it’s all ad-lib! I lift my hat in greatest respect to you. Keep up the good work, mate!
@ndreyfimcev7486
@ndreyfimcev7486 9 месяцев назад
PM was also a police standard pistol, i think that is one of the reason was to have less powerful pistol then TT.
@doc43souls74
@doc43souls74 9 месяцев назад
Don't think so, as it was made for the competition of handguns for the high command of the USSR army.
@MFitz12
@MFitz12 9 месяцев назад
I own a 1895 Nagant revolver. It is truly awful. How anyone thought this was a good idea boggles the mind. I'm pretty sure the trigger pull in DA is measured in tons and good luck trying to reload this thing in combat. After you empty the cylinder your best bet is to throw it at your opponent. I still have half of the one box of ammo I bought for it and probably always will.
@MFitz12
@MFitz12 9 месяцев назад
@@rdrrr - I have to use 2 fingers to pull the trigger in DA and I can't hit anything beyond about 7 yards. I quickly switched to SA with marginally better results. DA is useless.
@MFitz12
@MFitz12 9 месяцев назад
@@rdrrr - Yes, but it can be operated with one finger instead of two.
@vorynrosethorn903
@vorynrosethorn903 9 месяцев назад
Think it's been pointed out that they were refurbished in the 50's on mass, unrefurbished ones run a lot better and gunsmith's can restore them to their original state. Part of the refurbishment was probably to ensure they could survive storage for a few centuries.
@MFitz12
@MFitz12 9 месяцев назад
@@vorynrosethorn903 - Mine is nearly pristine. Definitely restored.
@AlexN2022
@AlexN2022 9 месяцев назад
Nagant revolver lends itself to being suppressed. Which makes its history more interesting
@gunsforevery1
@gunsforevery1 9 месяцев назад
Is there any history of them being suppressed on a scale that matters? I believe that’s only a modern western thing that’s sometimes done.
@AlexN2022
@AlexN2022 9 месяцев назад
@@gunsforevery1 I believe it was used suppressed by the NKVD. I'm sure it wasn't at any scale that would matter, but it's still pretty cool as a piece of history
@Tu11iy
@Tu11iy 9 месяцев назад
​@@gunsforevery1a couple thousand were made before and during WW2. Developed since 1929. Special subsonic cartridge too. They basically made it all work and it saw limited use in spec ops and with partisans, but was largely forgotten after WW2.
@Tu11iy
@Tu11iy 9 месяцев назад
​@@gunsforevery1the name of the suppressor and cartridge system is БраМит - Братья Митины (Mityn brothers - named after the engineers who designed it, like all soviet small arms of the period).
@gunsforevery1
@gunsforevery1 9 месяцев назад
@@Tu11iy 7.62x38 is already subsonic. Its super underpowered.
@bobjordan8283
@bobjordan8283 9 месяцев назад
Mostly carry a pistol in combat not really used much....mostly true you would use it to fight your way back to the rifle you forgot to pick up!! If you need your pistol you let the enemy get too close!!
@GRAndreas7
@GRAndreas7 9 месяцев назад
Yes of course. However, I don't think that it makes a lot of difference if you have a tokarev, a makarov or a 1911 to achieve the goal of going back to your rifle. This is especially true if you are a conscript or the average soldier that has very poor pistol training.
@paleoph6168
@paleoph6168 9 месяцев назад
Infantry are never issued sidearms.
@bobjordan8283
@bobjordan8283 9 месяцев назад
@@GRAndreas7 Agreed but the difference between throwing flack at someone for affect or being effective in actually hitting the target could make a difference if you actually want to get back to that riffle! And yes I do know the difference between the two words!
@GRAndreas7
@GRAndreas7 9 месяцев назад
@@paleoph6168 I was issued an m1911a1 as a conscript APC driver. I fired 12 shots with it the whole time. Go figure
@GRAndreas7
@GRAndreas7 9 месяцев назад
@@bobjordan8283 I have not fired a tt33 or o Makarov, but I have the opinion that both of these pistols are easier to shoot than the m1911 because of its heavy recoil. I know that the m1911 can be an amazing tool at a specialists arms, but I am not arguing about very experienced shooters here. Cheers
@АндрейШмырев-ж3з
@АндрейШмырев-ж3з 9 месяцев назад
Каждая вещь была хороша в свой отрезок времени!🧐
@adamregiel8044
@adamregiel8044 9 месяцев назад
No TK 1926 😢. Korovin is probablly really sad.
@alexeysaphonov232
@alexeysaphonov232 9 месяцев назад
It could expended back into Russian Empire with S&W model 3 and Galland. In sovjet segment there are also Stechkin, PSM, PB. In sport segment there is also Korowin and e.g. toz-35.
@Naamah-Az
@Naamah-Az 9 месяцев назад
Stechkin APS/APB?
@alexeysaphonov232
@alexeysaphonov232 9 месяцев назад
@@Naamah-Az Automatitscheskiy Pistolet Stechkina (APS aka Stechkin's Automatic Pistol). (Automatitscheskiy) Pistolet Besshumniy (A)PB (aka [autmatic] silanced pistol).
@robinmickelsson-htta3413
@robinmickelsson-htta3413 9 месяцев назад
Great video and thank you for not normalizing flagging like Scott did in his latest video.
@RichardBlaine-e2y
@RichardBlaine-e2y 9 месяцев назад
Thank you very much for this interesting history lesson and the context of each new model
@_ArsNova
@_ArsNova 9 месяцев назад
Russian guns are always fun. They unfortunately get marked up so much typically that it's cheaper usually to buy other combloc.
@brandonsaquariumsandterrar8985
@brandonsaquariumsandterrar8985 9 месяцев назад
Yeah, it's far cheaper to get aks from other countries
@soriddosuneko
@soriddosuneko 9 месяцев назад
Well, it's better no to get soviet sidearms anyway. Mosins, sks's and ak's are fine, but their handguns always sucked
@ExpeditionAngler
@ExpeditionAngler 9 месяцев назад
⁠@@soriddosunekoI understand why you say that, but the makarov’s simplicity makes it bad ass
@soriddosuneko
@soriddosuneko 9 месяцев назад
@@ExpeditionAngler I mean ppk exists, same ammo capacity and not as bulky also 380 is pretty much 9x18
@tutzdesYT
@tutzdesYT 9 месяцев назад
​@@soriddosunekoPM is a pretty nice gun even now. It is somewhat obsolete, but perfectly adequate sidearm. Weight is reasonable, size is close to optimal for a person with average hands, it shoots well and is reliable. Trigger and other controls are intuitive and work well enough. If you have access to reasonably priced ammo, I see nothing wrong with this gun. I know people who use it as a main carry pistol even today, I wouldn't do that, but I see their reasoning. Unlike some pistols from the era PM is still a viable option, not the best pistol around but good enough.
@tyler1768
@tyler1768 9 месяцев назад
Nagant back in 90s and early 2000 was still being used by Russian security guards
@mansooranwarkhan
@mansooranwarkhan 9 месяцев назад
Tried to enroll for this makarov but I think only restricted for US residents
@tonimartinez4419
@tonimartinez4419 9 месяцев назад
The Stechkin APS is missing there
@stephenbond1990
@stephenbond1990 9 месяцев назад
Do you have any information on the pistol design that was being considered to replace the TT in 1941?
@quaest
@quaest 9 месяцев назад
Now I'm curious what they were planning to replace the TT with
@doc43souls74
@doc43souls74 9 месяцев назад
1939's Voevodin pistol
@quaest
@quaest 9 месяцев назад
Thanks, never heard of it!@@doc43souls74
@IWatchedWhat
@IWatchedWhat 9 месяцев назад
I have a post war 1947 Soviet TT33 and I love it, mine is a non import pistol. The person I inherited it from brought it home in a duffel. Years ago there was a guy in Canada that made muzzle brakes for them, I have one on mine and I use it in out IDPA shoots sometimes just to keep in practice with it.
@chartreux1532
@chartreux1532 9 месяцев назад
Great Video as always! As a German and European i always wondered why Soviet Weapons are not as common in the USA as they are all over Europe. I assume because we of course were right at the Border with the Soviet Union and of course after that all the former Soviet occupied Countries joined Europe and of course let's not forget the Yugoslav/Balkan and Kosovo War. Has there also been some sort of Import Ban in the USA from Countries that were under the Soviet Umbrella? It's crazy how common some Guns are here (including Soviet Versions) compared to the USA. Would appreciate if someone can chime in because if i google about why they are common here but more rare in the USA, thanks to the current Geopolitical Situation and Google Algorithm i only get Results about which European Countries send which Weapons to Ukraine.
@robertmao9390
@robertmao9390 9 месяцев назад
What Soviet weapons specifically do you mean, and what time period are we talking about? Post USSR collapse all the way until about 2014, Soviet surplus weapons were quite common. The "first gun" for many poors was a refurbed Mosin-Nagant 91/30 which could be had for as little as $69.95 with sling, bayonet, and accessory kit. Mosin rifles from Hungary, Romania, Poland, etc. were also quite plentiful. What changed all this price wise was dwindling stockpiles left to sent here plus the Ukraine War causing bans on imports of Russian stuff.
@davidhansen5067
@davidhansen5067 9 месяцев назад
Anecdotally, it's not Soviet surplus that's scarce here, it's Russian surplus.
@chartreux1532
@chartreux1532 9 месяцев назад
@@davidhansen5067 So Soviet Russian Surplus is common in the US but not post-Soviet Russian Surplus?
@chartreux1532
@chartreux1532 9 месяцев назад
@@robertmao9390 Thanks for sharing that. So basically Soviet Era Firearms that are Soviet Versions are rare but all the other Versions from the Countries under their Umbrella is rather common? Here i feel both are common, Soviet Russian a bit less but still cheaper than in the USA apparently, which is why i wondered
@davidhansen5067
@davidhansen5067 9 месяцев назад
@@chartreux1532 No, I should have been more clear. Soviet Russian surplus, at least from the post-WW2 period, is anecdotally scarce. Surplus from other Soviet Bloc countries, and time periods, seems to be far less scarce.
@heavensadistancenotaplace
@heavensadistancenotaplace 7 месяцев назад
interesting to note would have been the differences in nagant production from factory to factory and within time periods. i.e., earlier nagants had rounded front sites, and izhevsk factory had different wood (or finish at least, idk nothin about woodworking) for the grips (a lot lighter than the tula factory grips.) maybe by the time izhevsk was ramping production, like the mosins built there, that's all they could use; idk. mines 1938 with a refurbed chamber, pointed front sight and darker grips. i know you mentioned there were some upgrades, but the front sightpost is a pretty massive upgrade imo. and it's nice that you mention russians believed it to be accurate, it has a horrible reputation in the USA because the refurbed chambers create problems, most common being it almost always requires retiming for swift double action use. but accuracy supposedly was limited by these chambers. true non-refurbed nagants are insanely rare and genuine ones tend to be very sought after. but, my nagant (in full power, like nuclear loads 3x SAAMI specs (which is extremely underpowered, hence the EXTREMELY underpowered loads from europe) is the only sidearm ive shot to 100y extremely consistently. it's my fav gun and i genuinely carry it all the time (single action tho, since my cylinder has timing issues...) even though the sites require you to aim like 4" low even at like 10y LMAO. at 100y i think i was aiming 1.5 (if not 2) feet low with really hot loads; it eventually became my natural instinct to aim very low (esp since my tokarev similarly shoots a little high) and is a bad habit now that i mainly carry a glock 29 that's zeroed to 20y poa/poi. one problem w the nagant's casings is they are too thin, if you have a strong load (even just a bit stronger than surplus loads with fiocchi casings...) you'll stick the chamber forward sometimes which can require the use of a hammer or something to unstick it. but, you can comfortably get like 300-350ftlb w.o this with new casings; even 30-40% stronger than surplus! (i wish we could reform the surplus steel cases) also, my #1 issue w the gun is obv the extractor. no spring sucks, it can be a real pain to get cases out of the cylinder, i can still reload it in like 14seconds w a speedstrip but man it can be DIFFICULT to extract cases if you're shooting strong loads, slow burning powders like h110 (for the fireball, of course) make it doubly difficult in my experience... ANOTHER interesting thing to mention would have been, even if it doesn't matter for history, the fact some ppl redrilled the cylinders for 7.62x25. the nagant was so overbuilt, mine has taken so much abuse in terms of nuclear 7.62x39r loads. i love it to death, it's my favorite gun i own and the #1 gun i wouldn't sell.
@باقرالزيادي-ر2غ
@باقرالزيادي-ر2غ 4 месяца назад
رااائع
@heavensadistancenotaplace
@heavensadistancenotaplace 4 месяца назад
@@باقرالزيادي-ر2غ what lol
@VikingcustomLeather
@VikingcustomLeather 9 месяцев назад
And he’s wearing a CZ t-shirt, the best eastern bloc pistols!
@TiocfaidhArLa34
@TiocfaidhArLa34 9 месяцев назад
yeah the CZ 75 revolutionized autoloading handgun design.
@aeroblitzt9561
@aeroblitzt9561 9 месяцев назад
Anyone know what gun Ian was referring to when he was talking about the tokarev's replacement just before operation barbarossa?
@doc43souls74
@doc43souls74 9 месяцев назад
Voevodin pistol
@davidpolityko2628
@davidpolityko2628 9 месяцев назад
Stechkin is missing in this raw...
@fordprefect80
@fordprefect80 9 месяцев назад
This is my sidearm in my current Stalker Anomaly playthrough. Semi auto only of course.
@Outlaw_Deadman1996
@Outlaw_Deadman1996 9 месяцев назад
After watching this it makes me wonder if they took the Stretchkin APS and got rid of the full auto feature, the Soviets would have a pretty damn good replacement to the Makarov
@ВячеславФролов-д7я
@ВячеславФролов-д7я 8 месяцев назад
Thing is, Makarov wasn't a military only pistol. It was (and is) the main police sidearm, and it is way better than the aps for the police use, considering its safety, compact size, and the fact that there's no way the usual police officer can get into a serious firefight in the Russia/ussr
@serhiy-serhiiv
@serhiy-serhiiv 9 месяцев назад
Forgot about APS.
@ArcanoTGS
@ArcanoTGS 9 месяцев назад
sfviet handgun fveyaview:(
@aslaniane
@aslaniane 9 месяцев назад
How come TK Korovin never made the list? It was the first Soviet produced semi-automatic handgun. It wasn't adopted by the military, but it doesn't specifically stated in the video that it will cover only militarily adopted sidearms. And what about Stechkin/ APS?
@Dominic1962
@Dominic1962 9 месяцев назад
Probably because he doesn’t have either sitting around?
@aslaniane
@aslaniane 9 месяцев назад
@Dominic1962 he did reviews for both of them. Might have been a good thing to at least mention both handguns in this video. )
@Dominic1962
@Dominic1962 9 месяцев назад
@@aslaniane I mean, even though he didn’t come out and explicitly say it, I figured he meant general issue. Neither the TK or APS were such so I really didn’t expect either of them. 🤷🏼‍♂️
@ArmeVechi
@ArmeVechi 9 месяцев назад
funny thing: yesterday i was at the local police office (Romania) and one of the officers there had a Makarov at his belt
@lardomcfarty9866
@lardomcfarty9866 9 месяцев назад
There are a lot of ppk clones in .32 acp here as well.
@alcedob.5850
@alcedob.5850 9 месяцев назад
I've seen a ton of them in Bulgarian Police. I guess it just works well enough. Police in Europe rarely ever use their guns
@jacobmccandles1767
@jacobmccandles1767 9 месяцев назад
As someone who carried one for two years, the Tokarev's biggest problem is that it is glacially SLOW to draw and fire.
@trooperdgb9722
@trooperdgb9722 9 месяцев назад
Given the style of holsters used by all military forces at the time one suspect a "fast draw" was not even a consideration! LOL
@jacobmccandles1767
@jacobmccandles1767 8 месяцев назад
@@trooperdgb9722 tona certainty, yes. The pistol itself is hard to thumb cock, and dangerous to carry cocked and....well, you can't
@stinkypete2548
@stinkypete2548 9 месяцев назад
These collection videos are awesome man. Would be awesome to see more.
@praporbarton3961
@praporbarton3961 9 месяцев назад
"let's get something we arent going to shopt pur own guys with" *NKVD laughter*
@donwyoming1936
@donwyoming1936 9 месяцев назад
Neither the 7.62 Nagant, nor 7.62 Tokarev, have the same bullet diameter as the 7.62X54R Mosin-Nagant. 7.62 Nagant .308" 7.62 Tokarev .309" 7.62X54R .311" I load all 3, and they definitely use different diameter projectiles. 🤠
@Levazadov2
@Levazadov2 9 месяцев назад
Incomplete collection: where are TK, APS and PSM? What kind of racism is this?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 9 месяцев назад
None of those are service pistols.
@Levazadov2
@Levazadov2 9 месяцев назад
@@ForgottenWeapons Perhaps the translation of service pistols is incorrect? I was an investigator for the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs for 23 years, and my first service pistol was a PSM. This is the standard weapon of managers at the department head and deputy level, as well as some ordinary employees (like me in the 90s) of the criminal unit. Then he moved to another unit, his service weapon was the PM. Then there was a counter-terrorist operation in the North Caucasus in 2000, I was already the chief and on a business trip I was armed with an APS, which was handed over to a warehouse upon my return. I even had to buy an additional operational underarm holster for it at my own expense, because I worked in civilian clothes. So this is a service weapon, quite common. TK (Tula Korovin 6.35) only took away from criminals, it is very ancient and there are no cartridges for it in Russia. But in the evil old days, the Labor Code was in service with the party nomenklatura and senior generals.
@Mrgunsngear
@Mrgunsngear 9 месяцев назад
🇺🇸
@72polara
@72polara 9 месяцев назад
The Nagant gas seal does an excellent job of keeping fouling out of the action. Would have been great with black powder; the cylinder wouldn't bind with fouling.
@Vin_San
@Vin_San 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for the video I like this new format of retrospective in small arm of a certain category or country. Thus video look very like the interview you made with the Russian expert in handgun ammo, but, more condensed, more clear, we can read the complete script, it's nice. (although, maybe put this old video in description?) (as a not native English speaker, but with a good enough level, this is easier to get the info and setting in mind than an a hour long webcall/interview (both are valuable and the longer video with this sir have its pros))
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