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Overwatch 2's Weird Relationship With Representation 

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00:00 - Intro
03:57 - Part 1: The Girls, Gays, & Theys of Overwatch
07:01 - Part 2: Corporations Aren't Allies, They're Corporations
13:31 - Part 3: Queer Cynicism and Blizzard's Reputation
24:23 - Conclusion

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@door5443
@door5443 11 месяцев назад
As a bi person: we are all stronger than everyone else, we have 10% damage to all men, women, and enbies
@andrewenderfrost8161
@andrewenderfrost8161 11 месяцев назад
As an enbie, we are cosmic horrors. Our flesh vessels may be weak but they are disposable. A mere intersection of our vast reaching presence with the corporal plane. If you slay one, 3 more will return
@Null82085
@Null82085 11 месяцев назад
I can’t say I am one but my girlfriend is gender fluid and they are the scariest thing ever, they have the powers of every gender at the same time, 50% damage to everything, 50% damage resistance to everything, the powers of the multiverse, extremely dural, and can make jokes about any body part to ever exist, there might be more but she hasn’t told me everything
@EloquentTroll
@EloquentTroll 5 месяцев назад
And a Big Iron on our hip
@claimingagate
@claimingagate 2 месяца назад
True
@dementeddingo321
@dementeddingo321 2 месяца назад
@@andrewenderfrost8161 As the cosmos I can confirm. You terrify me.
@katsdraws
@katsdraws 11 месяцев назад
Personally, soldier being gay would’ve made a lot more of a lore impact if he’d been in a relationship with reaper pre-fall of overwatch. The splitting of the team coinciding with their relationship would’ve added a lot of narrative drama. But nah, just have him dating some vague guy who we know nothing about and have never seen. And have Gabriel have some of screen wife we know nothing about.
@airplanes_aren.t_real
@airplanes_aren.t_real 2 месяца назад
This gave me go/jo × g/eto flashbacks
@quas3r__
@quas3r__ 2 месяца назад
gabriel having a wife was basically just them beating the allegations imo like it feels so thrown in there sometimes
@macvadda2318
@macvadda2318 Месяц назад
Gabriel was already in a relationship tho💀 at that point it just seems useless
@esteriall3086
@esteriall3086 Месяц назад
I don't know, I feel making Soldier 76 and Reaper a couple would have just reinforced the trope of a tragic queer couple breaking down. Besides, Reaper already had an established relationship (even if Gabriel and Soldier having been together would definitely have been cool as heck)
@group555_
@group555_ Месяц назад
This is why I hate that retcon. It was clearly done as pandering and terribly implemented in the lore. Tracer didn't have any existing lore that was made odd from a story creation perspective. Closest she had was winston but them being in a relationship doesn't add anything. It's not some obvious missed chance.
@Chorutowo
@Chorutowo 11 месяцев назад
Man, idk if its embarrassing but I only realized that there was a pride event like 2 days ago after talking with someone in comms, because the event is disabled in my country. I mean, its not like I live in a Muslim government or where I understand it would be disabled
@zackwalker1789
@zackwalker1789 11 месяцев назад
Maybe you're in a server with a country that bans it. Idk if that's how it works or not, but maybe
@discount724
@discount724 2 месяца назад
Are you russian bc thats why if so
@chknnugt
@chknnugt Месяц назад
@zackwalker1789 it's probably a client that just doesn't have the files in the game at all and just doesn't run the event.
@CommieBukkakie
@CommieBukkakie 9 месяцев назад
what baffles me about the Soldier one is that Reaper was RIGHT THERE. like either way it was an obvious attempt to score points while deflecting from allegations, but they so clearly didn’t even try.
@macvadda2318
@macvadda2318 Месяц назад
I mean i dont think that was necessary, reaper was confirmed to be in a relationship long ago and that love bs would be hella forced
@Petrichorus-
@Petrichorus- 11 месяцев назад
Fr like lifeweaver isn’t a femboy at all 😭. My bf and I were hype to have a guy with a “cute” aesthetic but while I love lifeweaver he’s more “pretty boy” than any other vibe. Anyways nice vid 👍
@PurpleMoon799
@PurpleMoon799 Месяц назад
i think he has a combination of masucline and feminine traits
@damp_weasel
@damp_weasel 11 месяцев назад
Fun Fact: The Loverwatch strictly states that the events are non-canon, but COULD happen. Meaning Genji, Mercy, and Hanzo are all technically confirmed as Bisexual
@isaacJovel_A
@isaacJovel_A 11 месяцев назад
AHH I LOVE THIS
@katsdraws
@katsdraws 11 месяцев назад
How are genji and Hanzo possibly bisexual?
@yume5441
@yume5441 11 месяцев назад
​@@katsdrawsim guessing bcus the mc (player) can be either male or female?
@Crkkyyt
@Crkkyyt 7 месяцев назад
The creator liked thr comment...
@aether1284
@aether1284 2 месяца назад
@@yume5441 then wouldn't it be pan? Bc the player could be nb
@yoshi12370
@yoshi12370 11 месяцев назад
Also on the context of OW rep in 2016: I want to point out that back before Tracer was revealed to be a lesbian Geoff Goodman the Hero Designer at the time did an interview with Kotaku saying they wanted to reveal their queer heroes "organically" in their lore and story instead of "pandering" and it clearly bit them in the ass. Note after he left their "policy" clearly changed as Gavin and the new narrative team now aim to have their queer heroes' identity be baked into their character, instead of just finding a "plot relevant" reason to reveal this. And the part where you said Soldier: 76's sexuality was obviously added retroactively, that's 100% true. Fun Fact: Soldier 76 was Chris Metzan's OC that he created way back in the 90s. Thing is he was very eager to reveal OW's gay heroes during Overwatch's launch days before he left Blizzard so it was clear that 76 was planned to be gay from the start and he agreed to the change.
@remistarlight8485
@remistarlight8485 11 месяцев назад
Well, I wish I'd read this comment before I made my comment. You know that's how it works 90% of the time!
@AzureRoxe
@AzureRoxe 10 месяцев назад
If the Soldier thing was true, why does he have flirting lines with Ana when he's supposed to be gay from the start?
@inplane9970
@inplane9970 10 месяцев назад
@@AzureRoxe 76 and Ana have never flirted. They've always treated each other like an older sister lecturing their younger, reckless brother. Their voicelines only include their past missions, 76's insanity against the world, and Ana just being tired of 76's BS. So 76 coming out as gay isn't too farfetched. The execution and timing is just bad. I think you're mistakening 76 with Reinhardt. Rein's interactions with Ana could be seen as flirting, but he's more chivalrous than anything. The guy doesn't have a partner either, so his sexuality can really go anywhere.
@marigolden_mariposa
@marigolden_mariposa 6 месяцев назад
wait, are you saying he was supposed to be gay from the beginning, then changed to straight, then back to gay?
@pikool
@pikool 2 месяца назад
@@AzureRoxe Didn't the King's inclusivity tool also substracted points off of Soldier's sheet because it said he was straight?
@stormRed
@stormRed 11 месяцев назад
I think the people saying that the devs are doing queer content only as a cover up are forgetting that blizzard gets bad press like, every other day.
@thomaswright7841
@thomaswright7841 11 месяцев назад
I actually thought S76 being revealed as gay was refreshing. He’s not outwardly very flamboyant and I know many gay men who are the same (myself included). That’s not to say there’s anything wrong with being flamboyant, I love flamboyant people, but many of us just aren’t
@geroni211
@geroni211 11 месяцев назад
I think it would have been a lot better received if it had been better announced. It was through a comic and one spray? Not even a voice line, or one of those pre-match chats. I'm all for representation of more silent masculine gays (along with the flamboyant ones) but so many times in games they feel like afterthoughts to please the Gays™ without any effort of making it matter
@thomaswright7841
@thomaswright7841 11 месяцев назад
@@geroni211 This is also true, some dialogue mentioning Vincent would have gone far (I think that’s his name anyway?)
@papervulture
@papervulture 11 месяцев назад
i do very much agree that a lot of the problem comes from how hidden it is. but i'll also point out that it's very rare (and kinda nice) to see older queer representation at all... and also that s76 getting confirmed as gay caused his pickrate to go down, and i think that's hilarious and should happen much more often
@PurpleMoon799
@PurpleMoon799 Месяц назад
@@papervulture it'll be absolutely hilarious if they mega buff a character after revealing them as gay and watch those people force themselves to play that character 😂
@r4smodius
@r4smodius Месяц назад
i felt the same way when he was confirmed as gay, his OW 2 redesign makes him look more like a stylish old gay dude to me. it felt like they put a lot of effort into it. it's the cowl neck and gelled quiff lol
@ellu9934
@ellu9934 11 месяцев назад
You only me mentioned it briefly but I really don’t like when people paint blizzard (or any company) as cowardly for not doing anything in countries where the pride content would get banned. I think most people don’t understand how serious this actually is - showing this kind of content is straight up illegal in those countries, there is nothing that blizzard can do about that. Their only options are not showing the content or just having their game get banned. And the ladder option would be horrible, not only for blizzards business but also for fans in those countries, who may get their favorite game taken away just so blizzard can get praised by western fans who have no idea what it’s even like to live in a country like this. It’s horrible that it’s like this, but people can’t expect blizzard to single-handedly change the law
@TheViveros
@TheViveros 11 месяцев назад
I mean, I think it's worth acknowledging that - as much as companies might want to be seen as progressive - they still draw a line where they're not willing to put their wallets where their mouths are. Nobody's suggesting that Blizzard could unilaterally end homophobia or anything, but the point was that these are ultimately still corporations, and they'll make the profit-oriented decision.
@obtusemushroom
@obtusemushroom 11 месяцев назад
@@TheViveros but publishing this kind of content ultimately puts the consumer and potentially the employees in those regional offices at risk, so I don't think that this is a fair assessment. Had they pulled a full Disney, then we would not have had any proper pride event, so I would cut team 4 some slack here.
@midnight4685
@midnight4685 10 месяцев назад
@@obtusemushroom yeah, the idea is just that they will be silent if push comes to shove, meaning they aren't allies. And that's fine, the point was just to remember that it's a corporation. They don't have to make their employees champion gay rights, but at the same time they shouldn't be seen as highly progressive/an ally. They're fine and it's definitely better to have some representation than none, but it's just something to remember, especially when the CEO is donating to far right groups.
@sairentov
@sairentov 7 месяцев назад
Well, they didn't run the pride event in countries where its 100% legal, there are pride parades in those countries and obviously other companies have done similar events with no legal repercussions. So this probably was not motivated by legal reasons. More likely they estimated their reputation would worsen in the countries which are seen largely as queerphobic. After two weeks they backpedaled and enabled the event in some of those countries which had most outcry (Romania, Poland)
@mariustan9275
@mariustan9275 Месяц назад
People are like that? Man, Blizzard is big, but it's not like they can suddenly bypass laws like this. If you go there, follow the laws or get out. Not like Blizzard can suddenly change the laws, and these kinds of laws are usually backed by culture norms. Maybe bribing the right judges could change something, but there's no changing a culture in a flash.
@MrBeastFan43
@MrBeastFan43 11 месяцев назад
As a straight guy I dont often think of watching videos like this but im happy I did as this was very thought provoking for me and I enjoyed listening to all the points keep up the great work
@draunt7
@draunt7 11 месяцев назад
IDK if lifeweaver has an official ethnicity, but as indigenous, I identify w him so much. Additionally, being two-spirit is a concept that is heavily misunderstood because we already misunderstand gender, but LW is def that sensual lover type in touch w his masculinity and feminine side. Its so crazy to see a whole accidentally represented.
@gabrielflores791
@gabrielflores791 11 месяцев назад
Lifeweaver is thai, but I do feel the same way that you do
@tomjames9681
@tomjames9681 11 месяцев назад
I wish they’d get some fucking PVE representation.
@skyariakerti-attfield7847
@skyariakerti-attfield7847 Месяц назад
what do you mean, the PvE content is the player fighting themselves for playing this godforsaken game in the first place
@TheRealBeeBzZ
@TheRealBeeBzZ 11 месяцев назад
My gay friends in Saudi Arabia told me that their version of the game has no references to pride if you put the rainbow player icon on they would only see the default overwatch logo and the midtown map has no pride decorations
@ZekeFreek
@ZekeFreek 11 месяцев назад
I think what annoys me about this discourse, and this is no shot to you, I'm sure you *know* this even if it doesn't always come through explicitly in-script, is that when people talk about Blizzard and criticize Blizzard, they're really referring to atleast 3 different entities, ABK (The Board, essentially), Blizzard Entertainment the developer, and the multitude of different teams within it, each of which are pretty massive. I get very annoyed when people bring up the harassment and the bro culture and the breast milk theft specifically in relationship to Overwatch because we have it on relatively good authority that they (Team 4) weren't involved in any of that (iirc it was mostly focused in the WoW and Diablo teams). Team 4, by all accounts has, atleast in terms of workplace culture, been the white sheep of the company pretty much since it was founded and having people bitch about the nebulous concept that is "Blizzard" like there's just one "Mr. Blizzard" making bad decisions and not a massive company of thousands with a complex hierarchy, just reeks of being disingenuous. I do want to praise you for the pinkwashing segment though, because it needs to be said. There's no grand conspiracy from Blizzard to hide their controversies. They couldn't even if they tried. There's always going to be some announcement coinciding with bad press because they're a big machine with many moving parts and both are *always* happening. And the constant conspiratorial hearsay is really insulting to the devs just trying to make shit happen. One thing that wasn't brought up is that running this event in countries with strict laws against LGBT+ *is* legitimately dangerous for both their regional office employees and their customers. There are places where people do legitimately get arrested for being found with these things, so I don't take them not running it in those places as any sort of slam against them, it's for their protection, as unfortunate as it is. I really can't agree with this criticism. They even went back on not running it in Romania and Poland after doing more research into it and deciding it was ultimately safe, so they'd clearly run it everywhere if they could. The fact they can't safely isn't their fault. Corporations are inherently self-interested and socially neutral. They swing whatever way they think will help them sell more products. That's the system we live in, and much like how the cycle of abuse perpetuates itself, turning victims into abusers, I see rainbow capitalism in the same way. It's hard to take stands that go against profit in a system where profit has always matter above all else. But I see these progressive moves as small victories for both the devs that clearly fight for them and the players who deserve them. When they make content like this, I do believe that it is a genuine expression from the people who actually made them, and I don't think that should be discounted just because the coporation bodies that have to stamp approval on it may or may not have cynical reasons for allowing or disallowing it. Like you said, everything's complicated. (panrom ace, btw. I don't really like throwing it out as a disclaimer but I've had people dog on me for pride takes if I don't mention where I stand, so).
@obtusemushroom
@obtusemushroom 11 месяцев назад
I love how nuanced your take is. The bit about "just release it in countries where ebeing lgbtqia is illegal" really irked me in the video as well, even if everything else was great...
@clayleong9515
@clayleong9515 2 месяца назад
I greatly appreciate your take on this, This video made me question if there is such thing as being authentically lgbtq+ friendly while being corporate and hearing your take which gave some credit to the devs and their efforts a bit more attention helped me find some footing. Coming from a country where LGBT laws are non-existent and is shunned upon even having any amount of queer representation in media be censored (Brunei), I completely understand if a big company wouldnt exactly be able to shell out and announce their big LGBT oriented events to certain regional demographics around the world which simply dont allow it. Me being a gay person living in a very homophobic country, it means something to me when I am able to recognize efforts from other parts in the world be it through mainstream media or a game like overwatch. Even if they may not exactly be completely "authentic" just because they're a corporate company. It still is able to bring a smile to my face, make me feel seen and heard. These efforts like announcing a new queer hero in a video game may seem small, irrelevant or unimpactful in the grand scheme of things especially in a global scale but from the people who have been raised in an environment where we arent able to be exposed to these advancements in queer representation it is a blessing to be recognized. That being said, im not saying that people aren't allowed to express their opinion on the topic and find it that way just like how Viveros did in the video, but just wanted to recognize and appreciate what is there. Its these small victories that help us get to where we would ideally want to be. Much love!
@kdjets
@kdjets 2 месяца назад
I love how Venture is UNDENIABLY queer due to their pronouns. There is no way to refer to them without acknowledging their non-binary identity, unless you're going to go out of your way to be ignorant or bigoted. I love that it's exposing a lot of the ignorant in the community and hopefully people can learn. If they weren't taking a commitment before, they sure are now. Even the VA for Venture is non-binary and goes by he/them/she.
@PurpleMoon799
@PurpleMoon799 Месяц назад
well ive seen a lot of people just go out of their way to misgender them. just to be bigots.
@_ikako_
@_ikako_ 11 месяцев назад
HE DON'T MISS!! (also, i came out to my mom and it went incredibly well and she's super supportive of me :3)
@TheViveros
@TheViveros 11 месяцев назад
I'm so happy to hear that, congrats!
@_ikako_
@_ikako_ 11 месяцев назад
​​@@TheViverosysm!!! Can't wait to go to my first pride with my sister Oh also, there was the rainbow weapon charm so I guess there was 4 in game pride cosmetics
@spookiboys
@spookiboys 11 месяцев назад
baptiste my beloved, i love his interactions with lifeweaver and other way around (when lw pulls bap there can be special lines) anyway it's weird how overwatch falls between checking boxes and actual diversity representation but fails a bit on all ends but also makes people mad still like it's just kinda weird. it's nice to see in popular games but also still feels hollow? idk its a hard feeling to put into words but this vid does a good job of getting those words organized! anyway fuck money all my homies hate money.
@spookytyro
@spookytyro 11 месяцев назад
The game that makes people v-tubers takes another victim
@TheViveros
@TheViveros 11 месяцев назад
I will be suing them for damages, this shit is *expensive*
@yinyin8769
@yinyin8769 11 месяцев назад
I remember not questioning the representation at all back in 2016/17. I was just so happy and excited that I ate those crumbs up, and I thought it was soo nice of blizzard to make the two characters that were essentially the poster children of overwatch queer. Now looking back, it was definitely questionable and I’m glad they finally committed to some actual in game representation. It’s just unfortunate that it comes at a time like this where there are basically no positive feelings towards the game, and bigots can just disguise their nasty comments as regular overwatch hate
@fkweaboos2759
@fkweaboos2759 11 месяцев назад
Weird how people think any billion dollar company cares for them as a person lmfao
@Copy2Kat
@Copy2Kat 11 месяцев назад
As a gay dude, I personally like the way they did Soldier and Tracer because they were made lgbt in mind for their backstories and it was just a part of who they were and not their entire idetity. They felt more special and organically revealed than the way they did Phara and Baptiste. Phar and Bap were just confirmed outside of the game with basically no previous hints or context that they could have been queer in-game. Im sure if Overwatch 1.2 actually came out with the PvE, it would have probably shown representation through the campaign story and feel more organic. I just find it funny thinking that soldier is this mean hard ass who you would think is the farthest thing from gay, ends up being a big gay grandpa.
@duckatali
@duckatali 2 месяца назад
~someone~ hasn't been paying attention to the voicelines between bap and literally everyone. (also mercy and pharah have been flirting for a LONG time.) none of this was *sudden*.
@user-pi8pi3wj7h
@user-pi8pi3wj7h Месяц назад
Baptiste has definitely been hinted at as queer, both from voicelines and the short story about him and Mauga that came out years ago.
@macvadda2318
@macvadda2318 Месяц назад
@@duckatalinah nah not the pharmercy ship CEASE LEAVE NOW
@mariustan9275
@mariustan9275 Месяц назад
@@duckatali It feeks like Mercy and Genji have been doing that more.
@darksouls2isthebestgameeve470
@darksouls2isthebestgameeve470 11 месяцев назад
5:06 thank you lol. Drives me wild hearing them call those prepubescent twigs daddy
@BunnyOnASnuman
@BunnyOnASnuman 11 месяцев назад
Baptise _wasn't_ confirmed queer before? Damn
@technounionrepresentative4274
@technounionrepresentative4274 11 месяцев назад
Yeah, I thought this was well known
@geroni211
@geroni211 11 месяцев назад
Yeah he had full bi vibes from the start
@yoshi12370
@yoshi12370 11 месяцев назад
Just finished watching and this is another banger video! I always said Blizzard's approach with Representation with the "have it's cake and eat it too" was bad and it's also reflective on how they represent social commentary too. That being said you're completely right about it being super complicated as the political social climate is treacherous right now with queer folk and any positive rep is important BUT we still have to be critical of corporations. I believe this thought can absolutely co-exist . Also the "blizzard is too dumb to make these 5D chess plans of rainbow washing" part is 💯
@TheViveros
@TheViveros 11 месяцев назад
I'm glad you liked it, Bastet-related errors aside lmao And yeah, it's hard to know how to talk about this stuff imo because of all the nuances involved in it, especially because people feel very strongly for very understandable reasons. I totally understand why a lot of people assume the worst, both because of Blizzard's reputation and just the general legacy of queer representation, but I also understand why a lot of people do sincerely believe that Blizzard could do better and how important Overwatch is to them. Either way, I do think that it's important to draw a line between being cynical about Blizzard's motives and values versus being a conspiracy theorist, bc some of those theories on Twitter give Blizzard *way* too much credit.
@crimsoneclipse0618
@crimsoneclipse0618 10 месяцев назад
The queer representation issue is even more bizarre when you take into context how Riot Games, wholly owned by Tencent, a chinese company, somehow has better queer representation than Overwatch which is owned and opersted by an american company.
@crazyverrueckteXD
@crazyverrueckteXD 5 месяцев назад
been ages since i touched league but how is their rep better.
@Yuxius
@Yuxius 11 месяцев назад
@4:50 OMG! Thank you for saying this! 😂 IMHO Everyone is obsessed with categorizing any dude who isnt traditionally masc or has a dumpy🍑 as a femboy and its such an eye roll.
@pdeady3709
@pdeady3709 11 месяцев назад
I find corporate pride less helpful as a means to tell the "morals" of a company, if they could be said to have any lol, and more as a barometer to see how small the group spreading hate actually is. Anti LGBT people are louder than ever, yet companies do stuff anyway meaning that the majority of people support LGBT rights, at least enough to make it the more profitable option
@JeromeSankara
@JeromeSankara 11 месяцев назад
I can say as a fellow Yeehan supporter since day one, we were in pain, especially with Bap making eyes at Cassidy. But besides that, my sister made a good point: we may not see already established characters with non-straight identities anymore. They may not want a lot of their roster being rainbow because, ugh, we are unfortunately still a minority. Plus notice there's still no canon relationships, straight or not, between playable characters? Yeah. They will subtext until the cows come home, but they don't like confirming relationships in case it upsets those who don't either like those particular ships, or, idk, people don't want loveydovey voice lines. Then again, look at everyones reaction to Lifeweaver and his flirty af lovely self. Maybe they'll change their mind.
@ArchSchizo
@ArchSchizo 11 месяцев назад
Widowmaker's whole thing is being seductive, I don't think anyone would have an issue with Lifweaver being flirty. I think it comes down to the relationships thing. I loved the idea of Rein being Pharah's dad, but the theory got crushed later. 76 and Ana seemed like a natural pair, but it got crushed. Plenty of people wanted Reaper and 76, but it got crushed too. I stopped caring about the lore entirely after just about every theory gets deconfirmed, because Blizzard's subtlety sucks more than their decisiveness.
@DJFlare84
@DJFlare84 Месяц назад
The most interesting thing about Overwatch's representation is the ults. Specifically how when your allies ult, you hear their English lines, and only hear the "native language" lines when they're on the enemy team (or when YOU do them). Contrary to Blizzard's goal of making Overwatch a team that welcomes diversity it makes you feel like you're a bunch of English-speaking Americans fighting against foreigners who refuse to conform to English standards. Of course, that's not WHY they did it, I'm just saying that's an unfortunately inference one can make.
@TheViveros
@TheViveros Месяц назад
This is actually a topic that I’ve got on the list for a potential future video! The way Overwatch uses language is really interesting and has some unintended consequences for sure.
@IssaUserName
@IssaUserName 11 месяцев назад
Im commenting this at 6:38. I have no clue if it will be covered and I hope it does, but there feels like a lot of subtext with soldier. As a literal dont ask dont tell soldier. He is gay, but its quiet. Its almost silenced by his career in a very literal sense. While this is not really representation, its really akin to our real life situation as is-
@javierpupo8042
@javierpupo8042 11 месяцев назад
As a cisgendered, white male with mental illness Im very happy to be represented by characters like Sigma & JunkerQueen
@noturdad101
@noturdad101 Месяц назад
Fr tho 😂
@unreal_blob
@unreal_blob 11 месяцев назад
Still waiting for good representation of ace and aro characters which are actually human :')
@tobiasbayer4866
@tobiasbayer4866 Месяц назад
True. Theoretically you could always headcanon a person with no confirmed sexuality to be ace but ever since that whole topic has become more mainstream people have become way more eager to label everyone and aro/ace people often get kinda forgotten. Also even with non human/ usually robot characters theres sooooo many stories about how they can actually feel love too and I get that its supposed to be inspirational and all but sometimes it kinda comes across like are you supposed to not be human if you dont love someone? Just feels like such a slap in the face to ace people. Its also a bit of a fandom issue because even when there are characters where its pretty clear that they dont care much about romance they still get shipped with everyone because "well maybe they just dont know what they like yet" or even worse "my oc will finally make him like someone" which is exactly the type of stuff aro people get confronted with in real life. Anyway sorry for ranting 😅 This topic just gets to me.
@stxrryalxc2765
@stxrryalxc2765 28 дней назад
real, at this point i just grab my faves nd slap aro pins on 'em- ive decided sombra, moira and brig are all actually aroallo bc im aroallo nd i think theyre neat :3
@COFFEEWSUGA
@COFFEEWSUGA Месяц назад
And now we have nonbinary Venture...
@ethanhay9760
@ethanhay9760 11 месяцев назад
this is an amazing video. this is my first pride being out as bi, something i rly wasnt admitting to myself. but seeing bap be bi was really cool. now im coming to terms with the corporate aspect of it all, its really sad hahaha
@helpimdying9421
@helpimdying9421 11 месяцев назад
I think the funny thing about this is they would probably get less heat if they had less representation. People would look less to conspiracies and extreme theories about the company being homophobic or whatever if there was nothing to bring peoples attention to the topic. Kinda sad
@ArchSchizo
@ArchSchizo 11 месяцев назад
I think its more about WHO wants representation, and HOW they want it. Every representing character in OW is a stereotype except 76 and Bap. They got different reactions, but Bap didn't really have much going for him and 76 was subjected to Blizzard's canon-relationship whack-a-mole only to end up with a non-playable character retroactively. At this point, I am still waiting on trans Zarya reveal because it would be SO BLIZZARD of them to do that. Not even limited to gender and sexuality, because nationalities get stereotyped too. Lucio was a jet-set-radio expy, so him being barely-Brazilian wasn't an issue for many (Brazilians like Blanka, I don't think they mind it lmao). Bap is just kinda dull to me.
@rockboiler1029
@rockboiler1029 2 месяца назад
In my opinion, I prefer it when representative details like this are not often directly mentioned. When a company makes multiple direct references to a character being gay, having autism, etc it feels more like a corporation trying to appeal to those groups to sell more, rather than the writers trying to make a genuine and representative story. In reality, having these identities shouldn't be the forefront of their character, because they are much more than those identities alone.
@Austib_
@Austib_ 11 месяцев назад
I guess Im in the minority of people who actually like Soldier as gay rep 😅
@inplane9970
@inplane9970 11 месяцев назад
Same. It's good to have masc gay characters who can tear someone's head off because so many people picture a "gay guy" as effeminate, dainty, and weak. I guess when that expectation is subverted, a lot of guys become insecure because there's no way a gay guy can be "more masculine" than themselves.
@technounionrepresentative4274
@technounionrepresentative4274 11 месяцев назад
He's the most traditionally masculine character in the game and he's gay, It's just like my headcannon that zarya is straight because she's the most traditionally masculine woman in the game and it would be a nice subversion of expectations
@evamarias8896
@evamarias8896 11 месяцев назад
I think people were a bit disappointed with solider’s rep not because he’s not “stereotypical gay” (thank goodness) but because there’s hardly anything in game about it. Unless you want to count the voice lines of him chasing reaper as examples (which I don’t quite think solider sees reaper that way since he still has his heart for his ex boyfriend) he doesn’t seem to think about or mention his boyfriend in game. Unlike tracer who will think about her when the situation lines up. I think something that would fit his character would be if he thought about him under his breath or something in game. He doesn’t seem the type to talk about it out loud because it’s obviously a sad subject for him since he had to leave him. It’s still not a lot but I think will improve his rep power a bit. It would at least make it equal to tracer. But that’s just what I see others say about why they are disappointed with solider. I personally don’t have a horse in this race in particular (I’m ace aro) but from what people told me about it that’s what I’ve got. I’m glad to hear that you guys are happy with his rep though! As long as it was meaningful to some folks it clearly isn’t useless.
@MintMaplewood
@MintMaplewood 3 месяца назад
There is one thing I liked about Soldier: 76 being revealed as gay: Before the announcement that Tracer was gay, people were speculating who the secretly gay character was. The majority of people I saw had two answers: Zarya for women and Lucio for men. Zarya because she was a butch, pink-haired character. Lucio because he's the most free-love kind of guy but also the twinkiest and least manly of the bunch. The fact that the first two gays were poster children of the game, one of which being a masculine, tough guy who wasn't about flowers and pastels, gave me hope that gay men can stop being stereotyped by flamboyance while being seen as "men*" and that gayness can be perceived as being befitting of anyone because it's not intrinsic your ability to fit an aesthetic.
@Crkkyyt
@Crkkyyt 10 месяцев назад
1:14 this is stupid, why can't we have characters that have autism with out it standing out? same with sexuality, instead of making extra content for a character being gay why not just treat all of the characters the same?
@bakad5458
@bakad5458 2 месяца назад
Me waiting for Soldier 76 and Reaper to be canon 👁️👄👁️
@FriendQwerty
@FriendQwerty Месяц назад
We’re here with you homie
@FriendQwerty
@FriendQwerty Месяц назад
We’re here with you homie
@physophy1277
@physophy1277 11 месяцев назад
literally had no idea about queer daddy soldier or symetra being autistic. ty for teaching me something!
@HStorm26
@HStorm26 11 месяцев назад
Apex is so incredibly real for representation. Most of the lgbt+ characters are just... themselves. Bloodhound is non-binary, loba, Valkyrie, and Bangalore, and Gibraltar are gay, Catalyst is transgender, and I might even be missing a few. They don't shy away from it, but also don't make it their whole personalities. It's part of who they are, just like how actual people are. It's very based.
@demonassault5912
@demonassault5912 2 месяца назад
Kinda surprised Mirage isn’t part of that, I don’t know how to describe it but he just seems queer
@user-pi8pi3wj7h
@user-pi8pi3wj7h Месяц назад
Seer and Fuse are pan and Octane is also implied to be bi
@alexbeamer9636
@alexbeamer9636 Месяц назад
@@demonassault5912 I can't remember who told me, but I was told he was bicurious. So I mean 🤷🏼‍♀️
@alexbeamer9636
@alexbeamer9636 Месяц назад
Also I'm pretty sure Loba is bi
@naturebigfan6387
@naturebigfan6387 11 месяцев назад
You gotta put a warning before putting a picture of Bobby kotick. I was trying to eat and almost threw up😂😂
@nballs4200
@nballs4200 11 месяцев назад
I love the philosphy talk for video idea, alredady got my vote
@TheViveros
@TheViveros 11 месяцев назад
I can't find the comment anymore, but the idea came from a viewer who mentioned it recently and I thought it'd be a fun one to hand over to the members - it'd be fun to go through the roster and try to explain each of their motivations/philosophical viewpoints in bite-sized pieces.
@englishnoodle8237
@englishnoodle8237 2 месяца назад
And now we got Venture a nonbinary
@walker5614
@walker5614 11 месяцев назад
I think it's a little unfair to refer to everything that happens with Overwatch as a purely the whims of Blizzard, the monolithic entity. From the artists to coders, the OW team has a whole slew of queer-identifying team members that are also fighting for representation in the game that they themselves are making. You boiled down the reason for *any* queer representation as just being corporate pandering, but I don't think some high level exec was like "Make Midtown gay so we can extort the gays for money." That was an idea that originated with the team because they wanted to do something fun for Pride month. I'm not trying to be a corporate bootlicker or anything, but I'm tired of everyone forgetting there are actual, human people that work on the game and probably have a little more say in how it's produced now that the IP is profitable once again.
@TheViveros
@TheViveros 11 месяцев назад
On two separate instances I explicitly acknowledged that this representation comes from queer people fighting hard just to get *anything* for a Pride event and doing what they could to make it the best it possibly could be, and then followed it up by discussing how this is part of a more complicated discussion of queer representation when corporations have so much power and can use genuine efforts for queer representation for corporate self-interest. 19:03 - "Are there queer people working at Activision Blizzard who sincerely put their heart and soul into advocating for Overwatch to have a Pride event, and then into making it as good as it could be? For sure. I’m not disputing that at all. But ultimately, the reason the corporation is doing it is because it’s in the corporation’s best interests to seem pro-queer." 23:23 - "Summing up how corporations engage with a society that treats corporations better than it treats most people on the issue of queer representation isn’t straightforward. People feel differently about it for a lot of different reasons, and the manifestation of that representation is often the work of queer people who’ve had to fight just to get a crumb of visibility even as it’s being used by a company to talk the talk without having to walk the walk in a way that might be alienating to the vocal minority of bigots."
@alexandredesouza3692
@alexandredesouza3692 11 месяцев назад
I don't like their philosophy around diversity, but I wouldn't change a thing about their characters. For me, it's really just fence sitting and boring writing. Lucio is my favourite character, but he rarely feels like he has a Brazilian perspective. Namely as one of the few characters from a developing nation. D.Va's from South Korea in a post-global war future that never addresses North Korea's implied continued existence. Symmetra is only autistic if you read a specific comic and notice a specific word. Soldier has one paragraph in a boring short story where he implies he had a gay partner. I'm glad Bap and Pharah are queer (PharMercy, let's go), but with so little lore content, a mundane conversation about them coming out of the closet feels company mandated
@Takatibbies
@Takatibbies 9 месяцев назад
that’s exactly how i felt about Soldier, i still love him as a character but he doesn’t represent me but i’m glad there’s a group of people that soldier makes them feel seen
@Kagetheorc
@Kagetheorc 11 месяцев назад
I am glad that the pride event is in the game. There's no taking away from the fact that having it is better than not having it. Even still, this feels like they're continuing with the tradition of just handing out enough crumbs to keep people from absolute starvation. Some name cards, icons, and a temporary glow-up of a map. It's all good stuff on paper, and I'm sure the devs wanted to do it. I know that a company so rife with controversy like ActiBlizz will always have something going on, so it's hard to believe anything released lately is truly genuine, but I'm confident this is. It's a shame that it's not enough for me anymore. If there was something like a free Drag skin, or some sorta free skins for some of the LGBT+ characters, then maybe there's a conversation to have. The part that I am hung up on is how Call of Duty, with no fanfare, launched its latest title with a whole host of pride flags as their version of name cards. No cost, no fanfare; just...put in the game. That is how I feel it -should- be nowadays. Any bit of fanfare almost feels as though they're asking for applause; which just reeks of marketing to me. I bring this up because it feels like the name cards and/or icons could've launched with OW2, and then we get this event for the first June that OW2 is out. While that sounds odd, why not just group the release of the two together, like they did? Because that's hypocritical. We've got the devs several times now saying that, for OW2, they don't want to keep grouping up stuff to release at once. They want to release things as they're ready, so that players can get a continuous stream of content. Despite that being the message delivered to us for months now, I can't help but feel that these icons and cards were held on to, rather than released when ready. tl;dr: I want to be thrilled, but the fact this is a bar that other titles under ActiBlizz, like CoD, are able to clear with less issue, tells me that this is just marketing for the sake of optics.
@Luunyby
@Luunyby 11 месяцев назад
I just realized this is basically the subways surfers of overwatch analysis.
@Sleeper_6875
@Sleeper_6875 11 месяцев назад
Really enjoying the little speaking avatar more than I thought I would, nice touch
@xxtmntxxrae4544
@xxtmntxxrae4544 11 месяцев назад
I always agreed with Overwatch's representation being lacklustre. Soldier being revealed as gay wasn't making much sense and was ticking a box unlike Apex and Valorant where they have interaction voicelines and canon ships (eg LoValk, RazeJoy etc). Also we have to respect how Opera GX has their logo as two black guys kissing for Pride instead of just a rainbow version of theirs.
@0ccultic
@0ccultic 11 месяцев назад
honestly before "as you are", there was a really good case for overwatch absolutely failing lgbt poc. while we got some hints of baptiste's bisexuality in "what you left behind" considering that mauga was later confirmed by the writer of that short story to have been written as baptiste's ex boyfriend, it was telling that the two white people were allowed to be confirmed as gay meanwhile when it came to their characters of color it was always just left subtextual. im glad that theyve corrected that but it shouldnt have taken this long.
@Mushroompancake
@Mushroompancake Месяц назад
Soldier 76 being gay just further drives home the massive missed opportunity to make him and reaper exes.
@lucienhaulotte4049
@lucienhaulotte4049 11 месяцев назад
Funny that the 3 new lgbt character have parental issue/no parents 💀 and to all we know could be the same with soldier and tracer
@hellthornsystem
@hellthornsystem 11 месяцев назад
What does that have to do with anything
@Monochrome_11
@Monochrome_11 11 месяцев назад
20:48 The struggle of a gay men that is playing LiS true colours, "do i be gay and pick Steph or straight and pick Ryan?"
@franchesca2418
@franchesca2418 Месяц назад
no because i was genuinely surprised when i found out soldier was gay. before i started playing overwatch, the only queer character i knew was tracer and didn’t think much of it , and when i started playing the game and mained soldier for the first month or two is when i finally noticed he was gay. like he would’ve been the last character i was think is gay. and i just think that proves that they did a good job with making him gay. it’s not stereotypical, it’s not straight out in your face, and it’s genuinely just not a big deal. THATS how you’re supposed to make queer characters and give representation; make them a normal character that just isn’t straight.
@IssaUserName
@IssaUserName 11 месяцев назад
In my future, they are all pan.
@Techno_Bunny433
@Techno_Bunny433 11 месяцев назад
As a fanart enthusiast. They all pan till proven otherwise
@jabbersjay6871
@jabbersjay6871 11 месяцев назад
And it would be a better world that way 🫶🏽
@joshuaperrin3910
@joshuaperrin3910 11 месяцев назад
I can say as someone who's known Blizzard since 1996 with the original Diablo, it's horrifically incredible to see how far they've fallen by today's standards.
@cottonuwu3167
@cottonuwu3167 Месяц назад
Being a straight guy , its weird how i love playing weaver, love the flamboyancy of the character and the attitude. Makes me feel sexy and cool somehow lol.
@TheViveros
@TheViveros Месяц назад
Honestly it’s not that weird, it’s just that we don’t get many of those types of male characters so we’re not exposed to the choice as much. Tons of straight women are big fans of the campy over-the-top sexy female characters in games because they enjoy getting to experience that fantasy - someone like Bayonetta would be a good example of that in the opposite direction I think.
@GarnetDust24
@GarnetDust24 11 месяцев назад
Love your commentary! Voice! Aesthetic! EATING IT ALL UP! THANK YOU
@vahtito
@vahtito 11 месяцев назад
so glad I found your channel!!
@selenivee
@selenivee Месяц назад
got to this video late, it was quite a venture to get here
@ethanwelte6402
@ethanwelte6402 11 месяцев назад
Close to 10K congrats man!! 🎉
@towinandsave1520
@towinandsave1520 11 месяцев назад
It's not that they made made character gay after bad news. Pride month is a yearly tradition and it would be so easy to wait before pride to announce literally one of the worst information for future of overwatch. Decision of canceling PvE must have been known for months cmon
@TheViveros
@TheViveros 11 месяцев назад
Given how chaotic their communication around everything PvE has been, I would be shocked if any of their announcements about PvE were planned more than maybe a week in advance. Frankly, like I said in the video, I don't think they're capable of that kind of long-term strategizing, and they've been shooting themselves in the feet over PvE year-round anyways.
@mloveys
@mloveys 11 месяцев назад
Another great video! Honestly was very informative, I’m a huge fan of the game (2700+ hours) and had no idea about pharah, bap and symmetra; much less the more detailed topics you explained.
@KodaCreates
@KodaCreates 11 месяцев назад
It's also implied Echo might be on the Autistic spectrum via a voiceline she has with Symmetra though it's not confirmed only implied
@sircolincoco964
@sircolincoco964 11 месяцев назад
two videos in one day? wonderful
@otto9040
@otto9040 11 месяцев назад
Good video, nice job!! really updating us on blizzard's and OW 's misdoings regarding representation, i hope many people get to watch this.
@subnormal321
@subnormal321 11 месяцев назад
Small correction, emily also appeared in an OWL spray alongside Tracer, Winston and Mei. I think it was the 2019 season or smth
@draunt7
@draunt7 11 месяцев назад
Soldier 76 coming out as gay felt like a republican getting caught on grindr.
@TheBestcommentor
@TheBestcommentor 11 месяцев назад
How specifically American is this regressive trend toward homophobia? Is this happening everywhere?
@pennyforyourthots
@pennyforyourthots 11 месяцев назад
I would say that the trend isn't specifically American, but these various reactionary movements tend to present themselves differently depending on the country they are in. The US has a lot of Evangelical Christians, so it tends to present itself very religiously, but in a place that is slightly more secular like the UK, it might take the mask of a secular terf who is simply "concerned for women's rights". In a much more progressive place, like one of the Scandinavian countries, it will present itself much more subtly, coming off more as a "I don't hate gay people, but I wish they wouldn't kiss in public" kind of thing. These bigoted movements however tend to be in response to progress, rather than the other way around. We have made a lot of progress for queer people, which is why the establishment is pushing back against it. In the US, we saw more visible acceptance of trans rights and trans people, and so as a result it became the new hot-button issue, and as people successfully pushed back against trans rights, they started pushing back against gay rights as well because they already had that in a more progressive country, they probably wouldn't have made this much progress, but they might have successfully gotten people to be slightly less accepting. These types of things tend to be deeply interconnected with other problems, we tend to see a big spike in reactionaries around large economic crises like the Great depression, the current post-covid recession, the 2008 financial crisis, etc. Because capitalism is a strange beast that continuously fails and collapses in on itself, this means that there tends to be a big spike every 10 to 20 years, unless some major event like 9/11 happens to quicken that pace. TL;DR it's not specifically American, but it's not going to be as severe as America everywhere.
@technounionrepresentative4274
@technounionrepresentative4274 11 месяцев назад
I know it is still around in the middle east as I have friends in the middle east who have first hand knowledge, just not in the same way
@draunt7
@draunt7 11 месяцев назад
LMAO a GSA meeting w/ guns = SRA
@ChiefFire21
@ChiefFire21 9 дней назад
my friend I love your videos!!! You talk very quickly and its hard to follow sometimes you don't need to rush it! You have good takes and it seems like you are just speeding through. I'm sure people wouldn't mind if the videos were a bit longer. much love
@mintytheslime
@mintytheslime 11 месяцев назад
In regards to lgbtq+ representation in Overwatch, I really want enby rep (which is my rep) because the closest things I have are things that match my aesthetic, like Lifeweaver, Bastion, & the new Slime Echo skin. At least I can come up with my own enby hero concepts in workshop I guess.
@KodaCreates
@KodaCreates 11 месяцев назад
Unfortunately I don't think they'll ever add any gender non conforming heroes I mean Lynx17 was only confirmed on twitter and not even the comic they feature in If they were too scared to reveal a characters use of they/them pronouns in a comic which is where they tend to reveal alot of their rep then I find it unlikely they'll add a gender non conforming hero to the game
@dylanmoss01
@dylanmoss01 7 месяцев назад
​@@KodaCreatesthis aged poorly (in a good way)
@JQN_d._.b
@JQN_d._.b 2 месяца назад
@@dylanmoss01this aged like milk but created a very nice cheese (or something (thats not how cheese is made (idk i dont make cheese)))
@yowieyahoo
@yowieyahoo Месяц назад
9 months later, how do u feel about venture
@IriaChannel
@IriaChannel 5 месяцев назад
OW could honestly use some straight representation at this point
@TheViveros
@TheViveros 5 месяцев назад
There’s only 6 queer heroes in a roster of nearly 40, but I get that math is hard.
@Asombramain
@Asombramain 2 месяца назад
​@@TheViveros make it 7 with venture
@RoadhogGaming
@RoadhogGaming 2 месяца назад
Roadhog Better Be Canonically Married To Mercy Still
@Asombramain
@Asombramain 2 месяца назад
Wait their married 🤯
@sussysunday_1687
@sussysunday_1687 11 месяцев назад
Bgm choice is on point for this video, monokubs theme slaps
@000Dragon50000
@000Dragon50000 11 месяцев назад
Honestly I feel like even without representation outside of Pearl and Marina, Splatoon *feels* more queer than overwatch in a way that's hard to put my finger on.
@johndoe455
@johndoe455 2 месяца назад
when everyone's gay, no one isn't.
@yoshi12370
@yoshi12370 11 месяцев назад
Bastet came out in 2019, not 2017!
@TheViveros
@TheViveros 11 месяцев назад
Oh my god I knew that why did I say that Oh no I listened to myself saying it wrong a dozen times too lmao
@ThePastelKnight
@ThePastelKnight 7 месяцев назад
As a female attracted person, Mercy x Pharah makes me uncomfortable. Cause, didn't Mercy know Pharah when she was a kid ??
@dylanmoss01
@dylanmoss01 7 месяцев назад
THANK YOU. I feel like the only one who ships Gency over Pharmercy purely for this reason.
@Asombramain
@Asombramain 2 месяца назад
​@@dylanmoss01 fr gency feels natural but pharah x mercy is weird
@Penamesolen
@Penamesolen 2 месяца назад
I usually let shippers ship, and I still do because in the present timeline, Pharmercy is cute and could work. Then again, I recently encountered a situation where a person flirted with a friend's sibling by bringing up how the sibling was like in kindergarten... because the person had worked there at the time. And both my friend and I were creeped out by the idea that THIS was the thing to bring up when flirting with someone much younger. The sibling didn't even remember, and might at least not been uncomfortable if that had simply not been defined. It was a weird and creepy thing and my friend got her sibling away from there quick. Regarding Pharmercy, it really depends on how they view each other and what impact the past made on them. Mercy and Genji had some past relationship as a doctor and patient, then moved to different parts of the organization and then back again as field medic and field agent, as well as friends. And now they are sort of there again, but more independent because the organization is not really an organization as a superhero club. Same with Zenyatta and Genji, their potential romance can be awkward if they define their relationship as master/student due to that mental power imbalance, but if they move on from that, it could work. Same with Pharmercy; the age gap is there, but perhaps they simply didn't think much about it in the past, and haven't really thought of each other much in the meantime. Only now in the present are they together, and they do not bring up their past relationship, so they sort of start from scratch. Again, it is to each their own. I personally prefer Mercy x Genji for my own reasons, but it could help to view it like that.
@creativemap1e486
@creativemap1e486 Месяц назад
I mean it really depends on how you look at it? Pharah was a kid while Mercy was a teenager which at that time would be wrong and weird, but according to the posted official ages (and take this with a grain of salt because some of these ages don’t fit lore wise) there’s a 5 year age gap between them being 34(pharah) and 39(mercy) which isn’t super unreasonable considering that there are age gaps around that range in real life as well. I’m also pretty sure that after the fall of Overwatch they both grew separately into the people they are now in the story, so while it may feel strange that they knew each other at a younger age, they’re both completely different people now. But that’s just my take on it… in the end I don’t really care if they end up together or not, I just wanted to comment on if the relationship could work realistically.
@macvadda2318
@macvadda2318 Месяц назад
@@Penamesolenimo mercy genji is so far superior
@cloudy978
@cloudy978 11 месяцев назад
I've noticed how more and more bigoted comments appear on videos talking about anything remotely talking about queer stuff or just the person in question being queer and it's honestly very worrying. Even on videos that don't mention anuthing political. Like a simple video from eskay doing Lucio rollouts is enough to attract the bigots and they'll comment straight up transphobic messages targeting her when she didnt mention anything about that.
@TheViveros
@TheViveros 11 месяцев назад
Yeah, there's a reason why I moderate my comments pretty aggressively, especially on this video. It's definitely not my favourite part of this stuff.
@aceclop
@aceclop 11 месяцев назад
To be fair, i think they did a pretty good job at letting us know in game that symmetrya was autistic because all you have to do is look at her play style lol. But yea I'm super glad they came out with all the pride icons and I hope in the future they confirm more characters to be LGBTQ+
@imverygay7572
@imverygay7572 11 месяцев назад
No wonder I liked playing Symmetrya so much lmao
@Asombramain
@Asombramain 2 месяца назад
​@imverygay7572 same
@xxexecutexx7135
@xxexecutexx7135 2 дня назад
BLIZAAAAARD MAKE THE SITUATIONSHIP OF PHARA AND MERCY CANON AND MY LIIIIIIIIIIIFE IS YOURS.Loved your video man
@happycat4766
@happycat4766 11 месяцев назад
I didn’t know about that female blizzard employee… I had heard that they had a sexist scandal because their partnership with Lego ended.. but wow. I’ve been upset with blizzards standards, as it seems they’d like to ban people who are cheating more often than the ones in vc telling me to bash my head in, or that they won on midtown because they’re a homophobe. I feel like sitting here and taking the abuse is starting to become the norm with this company/game and I’m tired of it.
@stoiconthastix
@stoiconthastix 11 месяцев назад
I think a company who makes a game about HEROES, should step up to the mantle of a HERO. This fact that the ball gets dropped so often is disappointing. I want to believe they're trying, but that's tough.
@unluckyknight679
@unluckyknight679 11 месяцев назад
So I dont like look at the lore stuff or anything but do the straight characters also like get sprays and stuff? I haven't equipped new sprays since like 2018 just curious
@TheViveros
@TheViveros 11 месяцев назад
there was literally just a whole loverwatch event where they made a dating sim between genji and mercy
@unluckyknight679
@unluckyknight679 11 месяцев назад
@@TheViveros oh cool
@sherlockhomeless4928
@sherlockhomeless4928 Месяц назад
Lets not forget the implied ex-relationship between Mauga and Baptiste
@KoiPuff
@KoiPuff 2 месяца назад
Old video is old but I do wanna say: The Overwatch Team is Team 4. And Team 4 isn’t really involved with the drama and bad shit that keeps popping up in Blizzard. The “boys club” atmosphere described by the lawsuit was mostly coming from the WoW and Activision departments. Team 4 was always described as kinda insulated from all that. Apparently it was Jeff Kaplan keeping them separate (aka protected) and after he left they stayed pretty insular. So anytime people accuse Team 4 of pandering to cover a Blizzard scandal I roll my eyes because by all accounts Team 4 is the exception. Like Blizzard isn’t a monolith where all the teams are huddled in one office building floor and the WoW people are walking through Overwatch meetings and pitching ideas. They’re separate groups under one umbrella corp.
@ZacTheCrippleFTW
@ZacTheCrippleFTW 8 месяцев назад
as a straight man I don't get why people hate LGBTQ+ homies so much and I'm truly sorry for that...However!!! What I do understand is this!!! The colour pink is so good! (sorry for the nothing comment, pink is my favorite colour specifically pastel pink that is...other pinks are fine. Pastel pink though, man...You ever see a colour and it like, screams at you "yeah, I'm the one your eyeballs are addicted too, ME!!" I guess this comment turned into something after all huh? Oops...)
@KodaCreates
@KodaCreates 11 месяцев назад
The cosmetics we got makes me wonder if the next few queer characters we get will be of those identities though I find it unlikely as most of them of them are apart of the extended acronym correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Non-Binary is the only identity that isn't a part of the acronym that has cosmetics, though NB is pretty well known so it doesn't surprise me they'd include it Also one thing I want to say is that Overwatch does do a good job at having their representation being mostly human like off the top of my head Lynx 17 who use they/them pronouns is our only queer omnic, the reason I think this matters is because it helps show queer people are human and natural, alot of queer people are used to their only good rep being nonhuman (especially those that are gender nonconforming and/or under the Aro and/or Ace umbrellas) so the fact Overwatch isn't relying on the Omincs as their main source of rep is a good sign (because if they really wanted to they could probably reveal most of the Omics characters as some part of either the Ace or Aro umbrellas maybe even both it they're feeling adventurous) this issue isn't just a queer one though for example it's very common for autistic characters to be robots as well at the moment Sym is our only confirmed Autistic character, Though Echo is implied to be Autistic and I wouldn't be surprised if she gets confirmed to be at some point down the line, I don't hate Robots or other nonhuman characters being representation I just hate when they're the majority of representation it just comes across as dehumanising
@tinby9573
@tinby9573 11 месяцев назад
Disco elysium mention :OOOO
@margierules000
@margierules000 11 месяцев назад
one thing i want to point out is the difference between overwatch devs and blizzard (corporate)- obviously you can’t completely separate the two, but several devs have pointed out how they will try to do something nice for the game, and blizzard (corporation) will use the timing of their announcement to drop some awful news without alerting the devs- the devs are More upset than the fans in many cases, bc they will work hard for months on something only for it to be overshadowed by something awful coming from corporate- not to say to never be skeptical of rainbow capitalism, but rather that sometimes the issue isn’t as clear as it seems on the surface- it was never blizzard as a company pushing for pride, it has always been queer devs hoping to represent themselves in the art that they’re putting out for us
@ZestyZinny
@ZestyZinny 2 месяца назад
Great video, you explained the good, the really bad and the indifferent. A thousand thumbs up ❤❤❤❤❤
@icecatti
@icecatti 11 месяцев назад
Not to tokenize your identity or anything, but I've lowkey been waiting for this video from you since the start, and it did not disappoint.
@Sploberrie
@Sploberrie 2 месяца назад
Why not "Hanzidy"?
@starryazura
@starryazura 11 месяцев назад
i want someone to look at lifeweaver's sit emote then tell me if they still think he's a twink lol
@kdjets
@kdjets 2 месяца назад
It's likely that there's a bunch of employees at blizzard behind the scenes and have been pushing for more visibility, and that the corporate management wasn't allowing it. I mean the people behind the game did put in references to LGBT relationships through certain characters even in the beginning. I think a lot of this should have happened sooner but at least the damn broke and there's no going back at blizzard (hopefully) Blizzard wants to make money but I firmly believe that artists employed by Blizzard want to break the mold and want to do something bolder with their work. I think the character development team is extremely good at adapting different cultures and diverse characters into the game, But they need to do better with visibility. And suddenly they really are pushing through a lot of bigotry and ignorance with Venture. Once you have an openly non-binary character that uses Non-Binary pronouns, It's at least a sign that they can't really go back. So there's a lot of corporate pressure, no doubt but, people work in these systems and I bet a lot of people working under certain video game companies are constantly trying to push for stuff like this even when they can't get it to happen.
@lavernebennet7395
@lavernebennet7395 15 дней назад
as someone who was a baby lesbian in 2016 (the female Overwatch cast were actually lowkey my gay awakening, particularly Zarya), the Tracer lesbian reveal was pretty cool but I could still clock the "corporate PR" aspect from a mile away. I was like "who's Emily. this is nothing." It was kinda striking that they went with Tracer though since she's the face of the game (or at least was at that point)
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