huh?... at least this guy LITERALLY moved it more than two inches. Honestly though, have you SEEN this Swedish kid Eddie Berglund? His bench ROM is much fucking worse. Here, timestamped for u guys...it'll make you think Hubbard's bench has a huge rom LOL ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nPPGvbyMpKQ.html
I don't have any hate towards Owen or any of the guys who arch like this on bench most of them are all around solid lifters, but c'mon there has to be some rule in place to limit this nonsense
@@ezet Powerlifting2Win has suggested that the upper arm break parallel (sort of like the squat) to count as a legit bench if a rule to combat limited ROM is to be implemented.
@@JHMninja89 Only problem with that is people's segment/Limb lengths and proportions vary massively. One person could bench with a long range of motion and barely have their elbows go past their body/break 90 degrees and someone else could bench with a relatively short range of motion with elbows well past that.
@@samplumb5496 The same argument could also be made for the squat, no? I mean proportions obviously affect upper arm breaking parallel, but so does grip width. The closer you grip, the more elbow depth you get. The more vertical your forearms, the more depth you get.
Honestly I don't even blame the lifters and rag on them for the arch, it's all in the federation. If you were against extreme arching, but you're competing in a federation that allows it (all of them) at the world level and had the capability to do a major arch. Would you lose a possible world title cause you lose 40 pounds off your bench when the guy you're competing against arches to the extreme and can out bench you like that? If it's in the rules I can't blame the athletes for using it when their competitors do too.
I like how competitive powerlifters are so eager to tell you your gym lifts don't matter, and in the same breath defend the embarrassing circus that goes on with the bench press.
Gore4ever FulciLives This is unrelated, but aren't you concerned about the health of your spine and joints? You look at the guys that lift heavy when they're young, and it's rare to find one that isn't fucked up in old age.
I know people who don't arch at all and do not break 90 degrees. They need to shorter the length of the grip. The grip length is the same for every weight class and the heavier weight class mostly have longer arms
Unfortunately if you have a big chest you may not break 90 even with it touching. Just make the rule they the shoulder blades, lower back, and hips need to remain in contact and you will get an honest bench
Ricky spanish yet it's part of the fucking rules. I honestly don't like the arch because it's absolutely stupid. Fine with a little arch cause that's the right way to bench, but not some stretch I would break my back in the morning. And YET, people still hate on sumo. It makes less range of motion, but you still have to lock out. I don't see fucking people complaining about high bar and low bar squats because oh, it's personal preference, but sumo, NAHHHH THAT SHIT BE LESS RANGE OF MOTION, but it's still part of the rules and people with wider stance are allowed but some complain about sumo.
Even if it's allowed, what are you actually proving? I mean I lift to prove to myself I can become really strong in a full range of motion. Whats the point of manipulating a movement to the point that you're barely using any muscles at all? I mean doesn't that defeat the point of strength? Who'd you rather wrestle, the guy that lifts 140Kg over a full range of motion or the one that basically unracks and racks the bar with 180Kg.
@@XXLRebel yeah this is the really the core issue. The whole point of lifting is to show strength. How much self satisfaction can you really get from benching 400 lbs if you’re barely moving the bar... who cares if you technically won based on the rules if the rules invalidate the underlying point of lifting altogether
@@nomongosinthaworld do I have to spell it out for you? Having a bench arch like that is cheating according to some people, so he’s trying to draw a parallel between that and sumo being cheating. Which it’s not. Is low bar also cheating because you can lift more weight?
@@samdajellybeenie14 It's cheating because it's a different lift. No one even gives a f about sumo, the lifts aren't even noticed in the general strength sports community let alone by the mainstream. No wonder it's banned in strongman.
It is everything that is wrong with powerlifting. If it was up to me, I would have competitors perform a standing strict overhead press with judges to ensure no involvement of the musculature of the legs & hips. Pause at the starting position with the bar below the chin & again at the top with the arms locked out overhead. The worst issue with this style of bench pressing is when gym goers training for general strength try to emulate this style without realising that range of motion is actually very useful for the DEVELOPMENT of strength.
@@kozzie72 I think the story goes that it got barred for political reasons. Other countries found a way to use their hips to propel the bar overhead whilst keeping their knees straight, so America sought to get it barred from competition on the grounds that it was unsafe to lower backs.
@brentprodz Compare 0:42 and 1:22. The first was super deep for powerlifting standards. The second squat wasn't as deep, but certainly deep enough, he was below parallel. Even the commentator said "good depth".
@@TirthBArya yeah i´ve seen that and i cant watch it, benching without any arch is just fucking painful to watch hes flaring out his elbows on the way up...still impressive though
Fire Tom i was being cynical, kiril arches as much as he can, look at how he sets up. If he could arch more, he would. People should Stop being childish. as long as its within the sports rules, its ok. Its not a test of who has the biggest balls on the bench, its a competitive sport, with rules, and maximizing your abilities as much as you can, however you can, WITHIN THE RULES is legit and is happening in every sport.
Depends on the lifter. Powerlifting is a wide range of people and some who use good form that build strength in a full range not just inside a 2 inch window.
I just think that its hilarious that people criticise the bench ROM. The purpose of powerlifting is to move as much weight as possible within the legal rulings, which is what the video shows Owen doing. Now, take a lifter with long arms and short legs. They would have the mechanical advantage to be a better squatter and better deadlifter because of the reduced range of motion that comes with said leverages (less bar travel in the deadlift because their arms hang lower, and less bar travel in the squat because the legs move less based on their length. These make the lifts easier). Owen has the mechanical advantage of a flexible back to arch his bench and reduce the range of motion on his bench. So, if we're intending on stopping "that awful range of motion," why don't we also set restrictions on arm and leg lengths so that range of motion isn't reduced too much for every lifter?
That's why this sport will never be taken serious by a broader audience, half squats , bench unracks and backbending. It's just a battle of who's got the shortest range of motion.
I think he is literally double jointed, given how fucking inhumanly flexible his hips are to hit that arch, but either way props to him for being able to do that
@Gore4ever FulciLives what about Cailer Woolam, who pulls both ways and is one of the strongest deadlifters pound for pound? I pull conventional, and I know some people pulling sumo with a deadlift bar have like, three inches of ROM, but that's the exception - feels like most people who pull sumo are still strong as fuck.
@Gore4ever FulciLives sure, but it's still 843lbs at ~200. He's better built to pull sumo, so he does. Others feel more comfortable with conventional, no? I feel there's probably a lot of people out there who don't pull sumo not because it's cheating, but because they're better off pulling conventional. Cailer isn't. Greg Nuckols has an excellent article about hip structure and pulling conventional vs. sumo, based on the angle of the hip socket and the femur. Also, if the sumo pull really is legal cheating, why are the all-time records still broken predominantly by conventional pullers?
the thing about the arch is everyone can do it, so its fair. if you decide to lift any other way you put yourself at a disadvantage. same thing with sumo deadlift, its much easier than traditional and is the better way to lift in a competitive setting.
I’ll admit the bench press is kinda impressive only cause he’s moving the weight but the rep range is crazy definitely should need to be a rule to make it a full rep
The guy is 26 and been competing for 11 years, so was he basically told that its OK to do this stuff from mid-teens onwards? That bar is barely moving.
He had a good squat. but personally I ain't a fan of sumo deadlifts when there almost doing the splits while lifting, no much rom. And that bench, that benching ark shouldn't be aloud on competitions. Just ridiculous
They need to makes new rules about back being on bench when bench pressing. This is getting fucking ridiculous. So basically you have to be as flexible as you are strong to be able to compete against some kid that can bend in half and shorten the distance between his chest and the bar.
