I used to live in Londonderry before most politicians were born. I also lived in the south well before the EU was formed. The border existed then, but was not a problem. Yes, there was a border control that we had to pass through but it was not a problem. The remainers are making this a problem for their own agenda.
I cannot believe that society in Ireland ,both sides ,has not moved on from the times of the troubles and apart from a few hardliners ,from either side ,that this is the issue that it is being assumed .This is a political convenience that emanates from Varadkar for whatever purpose as prior to his installation as Leader his predecessor Kenny had no problem with the border .
Dave Bon... Sure stick a border up... Those lovely lads at the RA will understand and be accommodating... This time we wont call them 'Struggles', we can call them 'Squirmishes'.. Talk about short memory ffs.
yes they make the ten minutes filling out a visa maybe a couple of weeks in advance or the showing of a passport like the hardest jobs in the world , it seems that snowflake remainers are too lazy or just too plain dumb to do either in a timely manner !!
Because unlike elections, referendum results are inherently unclear as to how the winning position should be executed. There is in theory nothing wrong with a second referendum of how brexit should be done but they fear many people have changed their minds and so argue that "the people have already spoke."
The referendum paper gave no specific definition of Brexit. The options were simply leave or remain. So unfortunately for people like yourself the government has interpreted Brexit their own way.
@@DerekWong967 You write: "Referendum results are inherently unclear as to how the winning position should be executed." So If the remain side had won it would also be unclear how to execute that.
@Minimalism oh dear, I just hope this is an attempt at humour, if not then comments like this proves what is wrong with this country at the moment with idiots like you supporting idiots like him !
Yeah not like the humble, loveable, working class hero Anne Widdecombe ahaha. You know right that Anne is also an insufferable Oxford graduate toff who's never had a "real job" too, right? Have a look at her voting record on Theyworkforyou.com Particularly her voting record on human rights, pensions, hereditary peers, transparency of parliment and elected house of lords. Bit more annoying than Owen Jones' smugness I reckon.
@@anthonyglee1710 Don't do that, you know I'm not critiquing Oxford as a University. But attending Oxford is a good indicator of how privileged someone is and how out of touch they are with the public and real working people. You said that you "wonder if Owen Jones has ever had a real job" to discredit him as a person, as if anything he has to say is invalid because he's so privileged, but you ignore that he's sat next to bloody Anne Widdecombe, who is if anything so much more privileged and out of touch with the lives of regular people, has she ever had a "real job?" She's also just as much of a smug ego-maniac. Just feels like a kinda sneaky double standard to try and get people to instantly dismiss anything Owen Jones says without listening to him and it annoyed me, sorry maybe that's too cynical.
M C I’ve listened to Owen. Not critiquing Oxford? Then your next sentence is a “good indicator of how privileged someone is and how out of touch...”. My sister and I are from a single parent family due to my Dad being killed in a car accident when we were young. My sister worked bloody hard to get into Oxford. She’s now a teacher and very humble. It’s a shame you have a distorted view on people who are Educationally successful through simple graft and hard work.
@@cenburry2811 I love these people with their remoaner crystal balls, you do not know what will happen any more than I do mate, so dont be giving us your pseudo wisdom, you DONT KNOW !
trident3b Considering you’re stating an opinion as a fact is laughable. I am pointing out the flaw in your comment and as yours was irrelevant that would be the only reason mine is also.
@trident3b When in your original post did you ever reference her comments as the main point? If you had we would have something to agree upon. I was countering your opinion of speaking of Britain as a whole collective rather then her views and arguments being a representation of the entire population. Now you have clarified what you were speaking about I can see your point. However, overgeneralised points such as refering to the whole country was what I pointed fault at, not your point surrounding Widdicombes views and points.
u think the British untrustworthy. get over yourself. we the British people see what happens when you mix Europe's elite with the working man. modern technology means we see Europe's crap for what it is. it's days are numbered.
@@markmahabir6342 dont let that be your snap instant answer. That's like a knee jerk reaction these days. The country is falsely divided between a fictional left/right. The truth is, any sane, self thinking person agrees on most things. Insanity starts with things like groups which divide is all into stereotypes. Groups which serve no purpose today. Things like feminist marches, BLM and antifa are all groups funded by the same people evidently. These are the same bloodlines who push superstate movement, eu army, etc. Anne is by no means part of any of these things, which is why she would never be allowed a position of high authority again even if she wanted one. She is a self thinker with real opinions who wont be bullied into speaking in a politically correct manner, and yet still she always maintains a respectful etiquette.
Jeremy Vine...so obviously Remainer biased ! Ann Widdecombe talking sense and representing what the voters and public want. JV represents his protected "bubble".
ben southwell Weird leap of logic ! Assuming you know the views of those who didn’t vote, and new young voters... and those who previously voted remain. There’s no point having referendums or elections or polls... we could get in touch with you and just use your “formulas” and save all that money.
Here's what I'm not understanding. David, you say that Ann Widdecombe is talking sense. She talks about the border between Gibraltar and Spain as an example of how the Northern Ireland border could work. But the reply (that is cut short in the video) is that both Gibraltar and Spain are currently *IN THE EU*. If we leave with no deal, the situation becomes *nothing like* the current border between Gibraltar and Spain. If you regard that as making sense, then, well, feel free to explain. There's a reason people think Leavers are stupid.
Greg M “people think leavers are stupid”... resorting to insults aimed at 17.4 million voters is devisive and unhelpful. You may have family or friends that voted leave, or disagree with you in some other way, do you call them stupid ? I value our democracy and respect people having diverse views and opinions. Being free to express their views is an important part of that. Ok, you picked up on what I assume was a mistake by AW but that doesn’t make her stupid. There are 12 European nations (population >300 million) not in the EU with thousands of kilometres of borders... most of which are not “hard” e.g. Finland/Russia, Switzerland/France, Spain/Morocco etc. The population of Northern Ireland is less than 2 million and Ireland less than 5 million... managing their border could readily be modelled on one of the existing EU borders which are far more extensive and potentially complex. It seems evident that the nominated (not elected by citizens) EU officials are using the historically sensitive Irish issue as a spurious negotiation tactic.
How you, and your fellow right wing populist excrement judge how strong the politician is ? is it based on how big his or her testicles ? and how many hairs wrapping the testicles bag? do you count them?
@Abu Antar No, "balls" is meant to be symbolic of the strength of their personal character. The point is that Ann actually has worthwhile principles, whereas Jones simply whines and complains about everything he finds offensive.
Better still seek out the ones that employ the likes of Jones and get rid of them. Otherwise they will just find another one with the same biased agenda as Jones.
@@samlangdon9879 No, Nigel is the perfect person, Ann is fine, but she is to old now for prime ministers job, and she would not want the job. She is fine what she does best, tackling idiot people who do not know any better. She will be an asset to the Brexit party in lots of ways. Nigel is perfect for the job, for several reasons. 1 He got the British people the vote, 2 He started the Brexit party, 3 He has been an MEP for over 25 years, and knows this rotten EU inside out. 4 He has got our country at heart, and wants the best for us all.
@@philippayne4951 That's not the question. The question was, why should Ann Widdecome get air time? And I think I'll include Farage in that question as well.
@@samlangdon9879 Well why should they not have air time. Ann is an MP, and Nigel is head of the Brexit party, that gave the British people the chance to vote. So apart from what are saying.
That's it, don't even look at history. Don't even consider history repeats itself. Dont even consider its all a smokescreen for the next civil war. Keep liking those posts on the facebook. Vote for the people who you think resemble the identity of your echo chamber. The Thatchers, the Cameron's, the Blair's and the Farages. The Bushes, The Cheney's, The Trumps and The Johnson's, The insufferable many who dictate instead of bring us together. Hate as much as you can, throw caution to the reckless wind, and march behind those flags of Farage, your country's savour. Don't look into what he's done. Be silent, be indifferent. Don't consider he's your enemy. Imagine having a laugh in the Gaff with Smithy boy, and Nigel the lad.
I speak as a lifetime *non* -Tory voter. Ann Widdecombe is the best Tory PM we never had. (John Smith was the best Labour PM we never had- such a sad loss)
Ann is to old now, she will do a better job debating points at these other idiots like that pratt Hancock of the tory party, and that other stupid cow soubrey,and others.. The country needs to get Nigel as an MP, and then one day prime minister, but is some way off. People are waking up, but it takes time.
No she didn't. she shouted her way through an issue that she was wrong on. If the UK drops out of the EU without a deal then there can't be just a 'soft' border between NI and RoI.
@@mum2jka Agreed. These ars*hol*s will not accept anything that isn't to their own way of thinking, and everyone who's isn't for it must be against it, because anyone that isn't in must be out... although I agree that Jones is way out of his league (period).
your spot on blackberry, but the thing that they always fail to mention is that the smuggling of illegal imigrants happens every day fro the republic,we need a hard border there
@@davidbradley3377. You make a fair point. A lot of people voted Leave because they wanted control over our borders. So what's the point in making Dover a fortress if immigrants can just stroll in through Ireland. Seems pretty dumb to me. They just haven't thought this out.
God... there not only used to be no EU, the U.K. existed separate to it. And it was fine. The reliance on this monster by the lazy and evil people of today is incredible.
Good on Ann. There is only one answer and you do not have to be a giant to see it. You simply leave. If the politicians do not want to do what the people have asked for then get rid of them. They are traitors. This is especially the case with Soubry and her bunch.
I would put Owen Jones in the Dianne Abbott school of politics. It’s essential for labour to have these type of people as MPs and supporters, it will ensure they remain unelectable.
Tom Johnson - Oh dear little dude, now you’ve just become boring and the adult doesn’t want to play your silly game anymore. So off to bed you go, night night.
@Tom Johnson It's pretty ironic that you claim other people have too much time on their hands and yet here you are replying to almost every single comment in an attempt to start arguments. It's embarrassing and extremely immature. How old are you?
Who is Owen? What right has he got to be on any panel? What has his opinion got to do with anything? What are his achievements? Who cares what he thinks?
@Matt Dumb question, if successful means digging his own grave and getting slated by just about everyone who comments on him, what kind of 'success' is that? doesn't look like he even has a sausage 'n' two veg to munch on, a real bellend.
@Tom JohnsonWell for your information he never turned up on the 43 of the so called committee, because their was no point, your so called EU, had no intention of doing anything about. He explained all that to the committee, but of course your one of these idiot remainers that never listens, and understands very little how the EU behaves. Like most of the stupid MPS that peddle doom and gloom, and their pathetic forecasts that up to now have all been wrong. The problem with people like you is that your just poor loosers, and just do not except that most of the British voted out. And we must not forget all the lies, from the CBI, Nick clegg and Vince cable, and that idiot carney of the Bank of England, and that hush puppy Kenneth Clark, all of them telling us that if we did not join the Euro, Sterling would be worth nothing, The British people are sick and tired of their ballshit, and we must not forget what they said at the EU, our prime minister, and the rest of us can go to hell. I tell you what mate get real, and stop peddling this rubbish, it does not do you justice. We are coming out, so get used to it.
He represent a students union, so he thinks he speaks fully for the British people. He is a remainer, and most of his students support him because they think, that leaving the EU will stop them going to university, some of the lies and claptrap that came from Nick clegg. He said this at one of the debates, another one of the doom and gloom merchants, and as many students vote liberal Demorcrat, and said other things they like they support him.
@Tom Johnson I can answer that mate. She does like murders, the taking of a life and the tax payer having to pay for them in prison. And Abortion is wrong its against gods Law. The taking of an unborn child, which our father hates anyone doing. Look at the ten commandments.
rantnpod Who picked Daniel to speak on Ireland's behalf, he makes his money travelling outside Ireland, he is also a fantastic human being and his charity work is massive, but don't embarrass the poor guy! There is already a leave campaign alive and well in the Republic of Ireland, which is going strong, the reason being they now have to contribute to the EU after taking out up until now, their economy just can't do this as they have a massive immigrant influx!
Wee Daniel voted YES to changing the definition of marriage here in the Republic; he was as quiet as a mouse over the abortion referendum, though I'd say he voted to keep the protection for both mother and child but otherwise, he is a people-pleaser, an entertainer who is concerned about alienating his fan-base and I don't even understand why he was wheeled out to represent us! Someone like John Waters would have been far more appropriate and certainly more articulate and relevant!
Jones :-Where has this spineless self-doubt come from? If this is the British youth of today and this is a window to the leaders of a future Britain ...I am ashamed to call myself British.
Ann widdecombe is one the old birds brought up the hard way, and has no time for soft soap do gooders that we have today. My Aunt was like her, and they would have talked for hours, about the tripe that is going on today. People today want free lunches, and everything done for them.
Soviet Union Jack: Never, ever be ashamed to call yourself British. It's not your fault the United Kingdom has so many people only too willing to denigrate the United Kingdom and sell it down the river.
probably not no. that's because we know what remain means. Oh and also because the Remain campaign didn't blatantly lie about almost all the main points.
I love how JV said 'I'm not going to say Crashing Out' everytime a No Deal Brexit was mentioned, therefore subliminally getting the words 'Crashing Out' into every comment on matter. Don't let the media brainwashing get to you UK! WTO Brexit for the win!
JEREMY VINE: Typical of the species 'BBC-Man'. The only people making a mess are politicians. Notice the only alternatives VINE offers are the 'Remoaner' ones. As for LITTLE-BOY-JONES, he would not be at all worried about 'divisiveness'; because - as a member of Momentum and LABOUR - that is precisely what he hopes-for. All-out Class-warfare!
@@Mark_Dyer1 - tricky question. Let me push this a bit further. In the case of an election when the result ends up with no party being able to form a government, the country is asked once again to vote. That is democratic and yet practical. Democracy is not just a simple once off question and result. Notice, I did not rely on the illegality issues around the vote. I also did not rely on the advisory nature. If it had not been advisory then the standards of both sides would have to be higher too. Pity.
@@stephenconway2468 Wrong! When there is an insufficient majority, BRITISH politicians negotiate between themselves - WITHOUT FURTHER REFERENCE TO THE BRITISH PEOPLE. That is how we had the Conservative/Liberal-Democrat Coalition Government; and it is how TREASON MAY cobbled together a Government, with the aid of the DUP. I am 66 years of age; and I have NEVER experienced a situation when "the country is asked once again to vote". Can you provide me with an example?
Do you remember when Cameron got in trouble for implying that the Queen was in favour of remaining? After all, her family is German! And are you aware of the possibility that a hard Brexit will lead to the reunification of Ireland and Scottish independence? So, in effect, the pursuit of a hard Brexit is a betrayal of both Queen and country. Who are the traitors?
@@gregm5716 NO NO NO!! First of all I don't give a "fig" what the queen thinks she is irrelevant . Second I'm an Englishman who believes in England first ,not any union . If Scotland wants to part company I say let them go. Same to Wales and N.I. if they really want independance and think they can do better . Give them what they want ,I'd be happy with that .
Its now jan 1st 2020 and we are leaving by the end of the month. All the remainers hot air was just that, hot air. Poor little Owen has seen his socialist dreams crushed by the public.
The voting paper gave no specific definition of Brexit at all. So unfortunately the government can interpret it as they choose. This is the nature of politics. We vote in representatives who take decisions on our behalf. The EU has something very similar I believe.
@@Geffo555 you are true. The paper clearly stated remain in the European Union or leave the European Union. May has came to Parliament with a proposal on how this withdrawal will be implemented when our departure is enacted. This is in no way a trade deal. It is a departure deal. Now Parliament has a say if we are to accept this deal. Now this leaves the UK with a few options. Accept the offer, reject offer and leave wto, reject offer and try to get a different deal. All options are fulfilling the referendum result. Now if one is voted down by Parliament that leaves us with two. If the European Union refuses to negotiate further (against article 50) that gives us one option. Remaining is not an option as we have a government that stood on a manifesto to cary out the 2016 vote. A second referendum is not an option as the only mandate to carry that out lay with the lib dems, they didn't do to well. Now I stand by democratic process, we must leave come what may and if there is to be another vote it must first be implemented in the same way In which 2016 was. A manifesto commitment.
@@leeenglish4363. I can't argue with your logic but a no-deal does not fulfil the Conservative manifesto promise of delivering the best possible deal for Britain. (page 32) A no-deal is manifestly not a deal.
The way Vine rudely attacked the very mild mannered Rory Stewart on Radio 2. He is a big bully. Extreme left wing. He is a very good sycophant and that's why he gets the jobs. Being a creep is something he is good at. But we heard what a nasty bully he is and I now despise the man.
@@eleanorlondon1961 The comment to which you replied didn't even mention 'class' so why are you even bringing that up? 'Class' (a meaningless term) should be no obstacle to anybody achieving anything.
@@iraceruk The comment I replied to had now been deleted. Clearly my comment doesn’t correlate with the original comment on this thread. Perhaps if you paid attention, it would become obvious. Also, Class is not meaningless. It means something and I agree -it should not be an obstacle. But in the real world it sadly, often it.
"Owen, I didn't interrupt you." says it all. Widdecombe far outranges Jones in the level of intelligence as well as manner, and the gap between the two will never be recovered however old Owen grew physically, as his poor self-righteous soul will never mature.
I disagree that the Leave campaign demonised immigrants. It simply pointed to the reality of the existence of mass immigration and the effects of too much immigration on jobs, wages, housing and services. Insofar as they commented on the quality of immigrants, it was based on realistic estimations and analyses of accurate figures (e.g. labour skill levels, the danger of terrorist infiltration through migration from North Africa and the Middle East, etc.) which I suppose some will disagree with (wrongly, imo) but the intent was not to demonise and did not apply to the vast majority of (legal) immigrants. But even if it were true... The Remain campaign *definitely* did demonise Leave voters and their reasons for voting calling them racist and stupid. Which of these had a more distorting effect on the vote? It's at least equally bad of both. But I'd argue that the Remain camp's demonisation of Leave voters and arguments had a more distorting effect on the vote.
Because he uses logic to convey himself? Indeed, it is quite impossible to win an argument against a braindead gammon using logic to try and do so. Remind me how Brexit is going? Oh right yeah - a complete disaster - as predicted, so far.
@@louisxvi2869 Fishermen are ruined, farmers are ruined, exports to the EU - our closest neighbours - are ruined. No 350million for the NHS as promised. Were promised there would be "no downsides" and yet there have been countless. Based on that alone it has already been a disaster, and we haven't even started checking goods coming into the country yet, so far more disruption and shortages to follow. Generally you want to be better off as a result of something like brexit. Not worse off. Certainly not "just okay" either or what was the point. Also, wrong - we are 6th biggest - www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/.
"i'm not going to keep saying crashing out..." whilst keeps saying "crashing out..." no bias there then. only watched this because of Ann. Owen and Jeremy are useless
We ended up leaving with a whole year to transition and we still have ended up with shortages and disruption. Crashing out is a very good description for what Widdecombe wanted. It wouldn't have hurt her very much of course but it would have caused a lot of hardship for everyone else. I think that given the referendum result it was right that we left but has we done it Widdecombe's way it would have been much worse for the British people.
Why does the bbc keep giving "Owen Jones" the far leftist air time? He keeps calling others "far right" and whatnot without any evidence. So I shall call him things he isn't.
No Deal No referendum No EU payout walk away and stand on our own two feet, have faith in the British people get some Back Bone the UK wants to stop thinking of the EU as trade it is a Corrupt Globalist Elite Organisation they are controlled by the German's..
The vote was in favor of leaving that was the democratic decision we leave we just leave. Virtually every MP who describes it a crash out has a private vested interest in remaining i.e. Mr. Ken Clark for example. Oh and I now exactly why I voted. So is this Country a democracy? It is look like it is NOT nor ever has been.
@Tom Johnson I seem to remember the Cameron gov sending leaflets pro remain to everyone at a cost of £9M that broke election laws, but sweep that under the carpet,it dont count does it cos it was on your side.
@Tom Johnson No need to be condescending in your reply is there? I wanted to know when there are going to be prosecutions and who. You advise there were fines. Why were there not prosecutions? I know absolutely nothing about the breaking of electoral law other than something about campaign overspending. Do you think you can hold a conversation without being condescending now?
No wonder the remain campaign lost with people like owen behind. I'm glad to see that he no longer as the lime light and hopefully he's disappeared from politics for good
I'm actually at the point now, where even as a Remainer whose life is going to be massively complicated by leaving the EU, believes we should just go. The unicorns and all the nonsense will only be exposed at this point, when reality meets the rhetoric. If I'm wrong and it's not a disaster then fine, we've put this damn issue behind us and we can move on, but if it is a disaster and we do lose jobs, investment and the economy takes a huge hit, then nobody can cry project fear anymore, and we can actually face up to the fact that for all it's imperfections, life as part of the EU is far preferable to life outside it and arrange another referendum where we re-apply to join.
Part of me agrees with you, however the Brexit traitors are so unhinged and lacking in reason that they ( and their puppet-masters in the Murdoch/US controlled media) will blame others. These liars will blame the 'liberals', 'Syrian refugees' etc. and the EU itself rather than accept culpability for their own bigoted folly.
@John Hurley I don't take offence. I just wonder if your inference at my 'thick opinion-filled nonsense' is directed at my belief (along with every single serious economist) that leaving the World's largest free trade union will be economically disastrous. Or that those responsible will try and dodge the blame (bearing in mind that not one of those lying traitors who claimed leaving the EU would free up £350 million a year for the NHS*, has admitted that it was a big fat fib?) *By the way John, seeing as you're from 'across the pond' I'd best explain, NHS stands for National Health Service, you see in civilised countries we actually look after our sick, well we will do until the likes of Trump-loving Farage and Boris take charge.
William Wallace not exactly. What partially allowed something like the GFA to even work was the fact that the EU single market was a thing. And that didn’t come about until 1993, only 4 or 5 years before the end of the Troubles.
