Owen Jones meets Peter Hitchens | Full length 

JONNOG88 that's what any decent human should do

Yeah - tbh my Respect levels for Jones just increased.... This was a very respectful debate

So I take it your against a fair society then because that's Owen wants.

JONNOG88 I can’t stand you. You stink of poo

@@MrRailjunkie , a person's credentials aren't measured by sound bites and the opinions they espouse - particularly when they're supposed to be a journalist and social commentator / critical thinker like Jones. He smears, makes dishonest and attention-seeking comparisons to score points, appeals to emotion rather than logic and facts to get a cheap racket from the crowd so he can have his ego stroked etc. But that seems to appeal to the majority these days.

probably because owen jones is 14 years old and a hopped up little bell end

it looked and sounded like a pupil interviewing his professor

Because Owen Jones lacks ethical standing where as Hitchens is a beacon of hope for the west. Owen Jones is essentially a leftist gate keeper, very much in favour of the status quo, Tony Blair would be proud.

***** i doubt owen realises he is as you described; merely another "useful idiot".

No he doesn't he's ignorant to the realm of things.

It's always been just land

+Sr68720 Agreed. Why do you call Douglas Murray a nazi?

Vinny M He is a racist that is just full of hate he believe he is so clever but he knows nothing about islam or people.

+Sr68720 islam isn't a race

tom west i am extremely right wing actually 100% for the free market and i disapprove of equal marriage for all. so get stuffed.

We are stronger together

this was before Brexit & Corbynism tho? He seems to have become substantially radicalized over the past few years.

@HoustonSam61: ‘This is the first time I've seen Owen Jones do something other than vent self-righteous, manufactured outrage.‘ You’ve not watched or read a lot of Owen Jones’ work, have you?

@@donaldwebb not really

The reason he took that route, is because Jones knows, if he riled up Hitchens, he would lose, Owen is an intellectual pygmy in comparison.

+Time How?

+RDO 123 Well, when I thought about it, I as a working class chap know no left wingers. None. Then I realised that socialism was a concept invented by the middle class so that they could feed their egos. Peter Spoke a lot of sense. In face, he nailed some points to a tee.

Time Labour tend to do better in working class areas, if only the middle and upper classes are left wing, explain that. Also, you based your assertion off personal experience, so for all I know, you could just live in a right wing area, not to mention many people are right wing because that's simply what is tradition in their family. Do you also think conservatism is some sort of working class movement? Bare in mind, it's only fairly recently that politicians are starting to get better salaries, in the past, politicians were paid very little so only rich people could afford to do it, the conservative party has been much longer than labour. I am also slightly baffled how he stopped you being a socialist. He was arguing on social issues whilst socialism is an economic viewpoint. He even said that he supported railway renationalisation, which is a socialist policy. Presumably, the reason he has such utter contempt for socialists is because socialism correlates positively with social liberalism.

+Time You were never left wing in the first place if an insular conservative who says with a straight face that the tories are a 'trotskyist party' convinced you to become conservative. 6/10 for trolling tho.

+Time I don't think Labour are truly left wing. And i know plenty of left wing working class people - proper hoolies and all sorts. it's just they don't have owt to do with Labour either. TBH Labour just represent the elite - same as the Tories, but Labour probably wouldn't screw the working class as hard. I'm of the opinion, thought, that whoever you vote for the government always gets in - so best to making stuff happen ourselves and not trust any politicians. I am still a left because I believe in justice, equal opportunity and taking power away from the elite. ut you're right, proper conservatives, like Hitchens have a lot offer intellectually, and he made a lot of sense on some important points. So it was a good chat. but of course, as he pointed out, the Tories don't represent him or his kind of politics. Check out Peter Oborne as well. At some point proper lefties and proper righties will have to get together on some things to get rid of this bunch of idiots in government.

Peter Hitchens seems a lot more upbeat in this interview than in many others I've seen of lat

@@catscan2022 Agreed, It's not his attitude that's the problem. He grew up in a proper democracy

Political debates would be more often like this if they are just 2 people talking with no crowd and no time limit, this is what it should always be like but seldom is

I suggest you see Owen Jones make cheap shots at Hitchens on question time !

same. i resisted at first. now i can't fault any of them.

toilet friend what about the beliefs he doesn't share with the public, like the divine right of kings?

I am old left/Bennite and I don't recognise anything to do with socialism in Owen Jones. He reminds me of Peter Hain when he was young, spouting rhetoric en route to being Lord Owen Jones. As a Leaver, I have experienced some of the vitriol hurled out by the "new left" and it forced me to rethink some of my ideas.

The age old adage. If you’re not a socialist in your youth, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative in you’re maturity, you have no brain.

@@uk1988tb303 I am not a conservative and never will be but I realise that some issues transcend political divides and I have to be realistic and make new friends where I find them. I watched a video of Corbyn yesterday and he made me want to punch the screen and yet Jacob Rees Mogg talked perfect sense. It's a crazy world.

+Gringo Loco I've a feeling you're going to like one of the interviews we've got coming up in the next couple of weeks.

+Owen Jones I'll be keeping my eyes peeled :)

Peter Trombone is a blowhard and apologist for Muslim extremists

+William Morrison Exactly. Try to start and run a business in this country, then explain to me how it's "economically liberal"?

I very much admire them both. Each of them intelligent, articulate gentlemen who aren't afraid to speak their minds. I love that English reserve that's slightly condescending and a little superior. The thing I like about Peter is how much he rails against the conservative party. He's harder on his own in a way. He expects liberals to be wha they are.

That's why i like Liberals like Dave Rubin who are very hard on the left. I have come around to Peter in the last few years, as I have grown older and more conservative no doubt.

Christopher arrogance undermines his intelligence. Peters intelligence undermines his arrogance.

I've noticed that a lot of the Hitch fan boys now support people like Peter because they share a common enemy whether its third wave feminism or the P.C. attitudes

He's far too intelligent to go into politics

I share your position on both politics and Hitchens. I make no defence of Osborne, Cameron or the like - career, populist politicians are nearly as dangerous as many hardline politicians in that they breed the apathy and mistrust in which corruption and specialist interests thrive. However, I suspect that many of these politicians simply don't share their firmer convictions or passions because their every utterance is contrived and formulated to ensure that any risk of alienating a potential voter is minimised. Hence they actually end up saying nothing and are utterly unappealing to all.

And here we are in 2023 with Rishi in charge, I'm not sure Peter could have seen it get worse than what it was at the time of the interview.

+John yes!

+John neo con trash will be exposed one and for all

+John yeah thats a good one !

GoreMasterFlash I'm on the left but I completely agree with you. Douglas Murray is incredibly intelligent and I've never seen him lose a debate. Owen Jones would have no chance against him.

***** paleoconservatism>neoconservatism

It sounds to me that it's much more likely that it was Owen Jones you met in that petrol station. Apart from bit where he told you to keep the change, obviously. He's only generous with other people's money.

​@@malcolmmitchell4709how not to take a joke

Well the main reason he is listening is because it's an interview not a debate, everyone seems to forget that Owen is a journalist not a politician, he has his own views but in theory his primary aim is to sample and interpret other people's.

+MostlyAverage that's true, but so often people on the left will interrupt and argue even when interviewing. I really admire Owen Jones, he's a really good interviewer

+James Carey Sadly anyone who goes Too far Left or Too far right is always gonna hit 'Horrible' person territory, hence why only Centre Left or Centre Right parties have been in government and won the most seats. The skill of getting elected or staying elected is knowing when to go left and when to go right on each issue as it comes. It's all about methodology the more to either end of spectrum one become the more extreme and simplistic their ideologies become but they don't know how to put it into practice and get too consumed with rebellion and shouting it out rather than sitting down in peaceful quiet settled environment to flesh out how to pragmatically implement their ideas.

+James Carey The problem is that modern politics [on both the left and right] are being infiltrated by people with inherently authoritarian leanings. It's becoming more and more clear that people on traditionally opposing ends of the political spectrum are becoming unified by their desire to avoid a society whereby a person can be persecuted for their opinions. Owen and Peter might not agree on everything but they'd both fight to the bitter end to defends each other's right to think what they want.

Yes you are . Lol.

Horatio Redgreenblue too bad religion and traditionalism have rotted those insides.

+RobinHoodUKIP fancy meeting you here

Rob Ingram are you trying to chat me up. ;)

70% of Ukippers are racist

Carbon Based Life Form Not sure if troll or not

+RobinHoodUKIP by "content" you mean "videos", i assume. youd probably mind if he tried to give you one of those toys from mcdonalds or cereal boxes. when people say "content", i imagine a george carlin skit about pretentious bullshit language.

Would actually be interesting, Hitchens respects Corbyn.

A wimpering pup watching it's owner be beaten, that's what it sounds like

I;m shocked it took so long. Disgusting behaviour from the left, their attemtps to silence debate clearly made massive problems.

That's nicely put. In all our political, religious and ideological divides we must never lose sight of our common humanity. It's that which unites us and in the end is capable of healing, even dissolving, all our differences. Sadly, it is nowhere to be seen in the fractious, ever more polarized political world of today.

His demeanour is that of the classic English gent. He's like a pleasant throwback in the most positive sense.

This didn't age well, given how he has accused and harassed Alex O'Conner after his temper tantrum was caught on film. Never knew who he was before seeing that interview but all I can say about Peter is ooofffff.

Owen respects him. Alex is arrogant, and thinks he's clever - he's not@@nobodybbm

@@dominicbrant1968 What a nothing burger of a comment hahaha

Says Mr Nobody, commenting anonymously. Sure will listen to you.@@nobodybbm

Spot on

Just like people would be surprised Peter is in favour of nationalising the railways.

Christopher Garner, hey man. I just read your comment. Its been a year since you posted it...any changes or reconsiderations regarding your thoughts here? ...your faith? Just curious man.

Just because he is young doesn't necessarily mean he is niave,He probably knows alot more about politics than you do and would probably destroy you in a political debate.Old people always think that age =wisdom and that youth =ignorant but there are loads of older people who are complete bigots.

he's older than me and i can see it.

I know many teenagers that possess a large degree of wisdom. He's not one of the wise ones. Sorry, he is naive. He would fail in a debate with anyone who knows history well. "Old people" are not a monolithic class of unitary thinkers.

William Brown who isn't wise? what knowledge of history does he (whomever) lack? who is naive? ""Old people" are not a monolithic class of unitary thinkers." who said they were?

He's a good lad is Peter. Went to fabric with him back in '02. He dropped a Garry and wouldn't leave the dancefloor for 6 hours. Upon leaving, he told me that I was 'safe as fuck' and that I was his 'best mate'. Think he had a bit of a rough comedown though, as I haven't seen him since.

MrJohndory111 Can’t believe I’ve just come across this, absolute gold!

+TheRealGaffer I know exactly what you mean. It's a shame the only large scale debate the two had on God ended up being very one sided Christopher's way due to technical difficulties and his rockstar status.

A few months ago? It was a few years ago haha

+Emily P he said he discovered them a few months ago and you're telling him he's wrong? what

+Drenwickification It's simple: some people are incapable of comprehending written English.

'technical difficulties and his rockstar status' was definitely Peter's downfall during that debate. Unbelievable.

It's an interview not a debate.

+Sam Barkley Lol, poor Owen.

+Sam Barkley Please do

+Pixiedust8399 You mean poor adam.

no no come now, he said one off

***** the democratic voice of the masses is eternal, never once off.

+ImmaterialDigression lmao.Good one :)

+ImmaterialDigression confirmed morality man

see how this is a multi-camera edit, that stuff takes time as well as processing and cleaning up any dodgy audio among other things. if an edit looks seemless its because it was done well.

+Lee It's not rude, it's a legit question. First thing is when Owen was talking about me having a load of work on, he was talking about the amount of edits I had to get through at that time. In a couple of weeks (maybe three) we recorded interviews with Jeremy Corbyn, Liz Kendall, Jake Mills, Gordon Aikman, Sadiq Kahn and Peter Hitchens. I had to travel around the country (in some cases), filming all of those, then I had to edit them, plus the troll video and Owen's comments shows, his opinion ones and the Jeremy Corbyn victory video. I get someone (generally it's been two either Tom or Matt) to help me on the two camera shoots we do but I edit pretty much all of the videos - although I got a great deal of help from the fantastic Yanis Mendez on the Corbyn victory one and Tom Silverstone on Sadiq (although the horrific typo was my fault). Most of those edits had to be done before the Labour leadership contest was over as they mentioned Jeremy Corbyn or the other candidates. So at the time I was swamped with edits. It also means there's no point in putting up full length versions of all the old ones as they really are out of date now. Hitchens less so, although they mention Corbyn, it's not the main focus. My day job is looking after the Guardian's youtube channels and I had to do that - and still do have to do that - so I wasn't getting much sleep at the time. Mainly looking at screens and Owen's face. There are other things to think about as well. We shoot them in informal environments, in this case Holland Park cafe, there were children around and I have a legal obligation to make sure there aren't any identifiable children clearly in shot. Weather's another issue - being the UK and all that. It's pretty rare to get a day where the light is consistent, so I have to do a bit of basic colour correction on the videos (I know, I'm not very good at it). We shoot them on shoulder mounts and - as they're quite long - there are times when one camera is moving/not focussed/breaking. Even on the uncut videos I'd have to put time into avoiding this as much as possible. Then, as +JamesFLivingstone said, there's processing time, audio fixes, all the other stuff. Hitchens took nearly two hours to process and when it got to the end I realised I'd muted one of the audio tracks. Bit of a bugger when that happens. And, as with a lot day jobs I have to go to too many meetings, do too much admin, explain the same things over and over to different people and put up with other bits of working-life drudge that get in the way and take up more time. Plus, most importantly, I need to go out and have fun at the end of it. Hope that explains.

Adam Sich Thanks for the detailed reply, that all makes a lot of sense.

+Adam Sich I was just thinking. Since there seems to be a demand for these full length interviews which take a hell of a lot of time to cut together, isn't there a case for Owen doing the short videos as a single camera (doable with inserts), freeing up the other for a locked off two shot? Then viewers also get their full video that you don't have to spend forever piecing together. Just wondering.

+Lee He could just take a recorder to interviews in addition to the cameras, and upload the full interview as an audiofile. I'm sure not that many are bothered about the visuals, which is where the time and extra work goes.

let's do two edits - and save Adam extra work? wait, what???

I don't imagine live streaming will be much more difficult than filming it, it just needs a computer link up. then all Adam has to do is edit/upload THAT video to get the version that goes up after

thecrimsonbubbles so everyone who wants to.see it has to be free at that time? Also the logistics of that are more complicated than you probably think (it being a two camera system)

fair point, I hadn't considered 2-camera setup! it's just one idea that could be considered, and if something like it would work there'd be a way of hearing more interview, because this 50 minute chat was amazing maybe recording audio of whole thing would work if put on soundcloud, but I'm just getting too eager and ahead of myself now...

+thecrimsonbubbles Live would mean a live OB setup which would take a crew lol

I can assure you this is the one exception in Jones' usual debate behaviour. Watch ANY other discussion with him and an opponent and he transforms into a pitifully childish brat who's debating skills are rasing his voice to a scream, talking over his opponent therefore ignoring and not even listening and then unclipping his microphone, pretending he has been so grievously insulted and offended by his opponent that he just has to leave at once.... Unbelievably childish and pathetic.

@@rnw2739: A gross exaggeration if ever there was one.

He’d never try to debate Peter since Peter would destroy him lol

Owen doesn't have the intellect to go down that road!

You're very paranoid boy!

He said "proper history" I think. Now I know Peter Hitchens says he believes all the races are equal in ability. But who knows, maybe he recognizes that East Asians will be the only high average IQ people left (though they are going through the same dysgenic process).

Go for a walk around Cambridge any day of the week, it's up to it's bottom lip in Chinese!

Not just the West but the Third world. Africa is already being infiltrated:(