Own a Tesla? Your range display is wrong! "How far can I go" explained here. 

+1 exactly, that is very accurate

dump the tesla ev anxiety, ev epensive repair costs will wipe out all your ev savings 3 times more than petrol ice cars, ev are worth paying only £2k because of expensive repair costs when it becomes faulty

Go 65 mph and don’t have the AC on full blast and you’ll get more miles than advertised. Same logic applies to gas vehicles. Logic being the key word.

@@austinpowers1999 I dont agree with that. In my fossil cars I never managed to get WLPT figues. Only while driving on a country road with going max 50 mph in the mid 20C outside while not stopping once. Nor using AC. In my EV car I can achive WLTP range . On warmer days even below. On winter days not a chance. But I drive like a granny to achive these numbers. Back then I did the same granny driving with my fossil fuel cars. Never achived WLTP numbers. My driving consists of 60% city and 40% country road driving. I think this contributes to the advantage of an EV. If u drive the car faster. Like on the Autobahn. The WLTP range goes down the drain. Worse than with fossil cars.

Absolutely- it’s precise to a tenth of a percent. The guessometer in my old 24kWh Leaf? Precise to 10%. Maybe 🤔 😂

To be fair I have run out of petrol a couple of times - dodgy fuel gauges in both which over-reported how much was in the tank. Happily one of them was up a hill with the filling station at the bottom, so… 😱

Yep Honest John website with real mpg shows an average of 82% of quoted figure, which is just a government test. I think worst is the Volvo D60 hybrid, claiming something like 156mpg. Returns 32% of that, or in that order of magnitude. No suprise, the test only has to run the battery long enough to pass the test.

Agreed, it's just confusion over interpretation. Most other EVs range mile display is a "guess-o-meter"... shows "real/projected" range based on current driving/conditions. So , it's a bit more like the Tesla nav estimate, but ONLY for "fixed" conditions (eg still driving flat, not later uphill.... that would give rude surprise for those EV folks.) Other EV drivers don't know Tesla is "fixed" standard efficiency range, not recent/real... they should really just switch to %, and rely on the nav to project real arrival % given expected conditions for that specific route.

The comedy comments come from people who bash EVs. I’ve done a couple of comparison videos vs diesel using my lived real world mpg. Backed up by Honest John. And they say no - diseasal always gets 70mpg at any speed in any condition…

My diesel Audi takes the longest average consumption and calculates, which is very accurate for most situations (unless I drive through mountains…); my Tesla makes ALWAYS the wrong calculation as it doesn’t take in account nothing else than the saved average Tesla says it is the correct and the usable battery. What is correct: if you set a destiny on Tesla’s navigation system, the prediction IS very accurate (unless you drive too slow or too fast)

Thanks!

Obviously works for you as you keep coming back!

Thanks very much!

Leaf?

That’s a great point and you put it beautifully simply! I may have to quote you in future videos!

I did wonder when I named the channel if it would make sense to people, and if it would be true with more EVs coming. It does and it is!

If I do what it what? Nope - FUD

Even if your EPA test is better it still isn’t a live display of actual usage. I wish it was!

EPA in the US and other parts of the world. We have WLTP

The Model Y RWD has a WLTP range of 283 miles, an EPA range of 260 and of course real world is dependent on a lot of things. I have the same car and it shows 260 when 100% which is not the WLTP figure but the EPA figure.

I have no doubt that the Hyundai / Kia system is good. They build great EVs. I like Mercedes, BMw etc etc

@@justgetatesla TBF I do love a Tesla ....

Well, I have documents saying WLTP because Europe does not use EPA as we’re not American. But let’s take your US (?) Tesla. EPA range is not real range. All copies of the manual say that - I have checked a few. So what’s your point?

A simple check - work out your range at 100% and compare it to the EPA and WLTP quotes ranges. You’ll find it very close to the EPA range

Unless you drive harder than the test. As so many people do. I did my video in response to comments and questions from viewers.

In Europe, true. Hopefully the coming change to UNECE rules will remove this ludicrous issue

I’m not sure much more thinking is needed - most trips are a lot shorter than the available range. What needs to change is that people need to understand how the car works - so many don’t…

EPA? In America, maybe. I’m not in America…

I think Teslas sold in Europe and UK use WLTP, Teslas sold in USA and Canada use EPA, and Teslas sold in China use CLTC. It would be strange to use a standard from a different country.

@@pepstein riddle me this then, My Y has shown 260 miles fully charged from new, the WLTP range is 283 miles, and why is a most common question on the forums “why does my car not show the WLTP range when fully charged?”

Would you be shocked to hear that other parts of the world don’t use the American standard?

Don’t worry, you can all carry on with your illusions, or do some investigation of your own. Point of sale is one thing, and the car display another. Next time you charge to 100% check your display, does it match WLTP?

@@justgetatesla oh and just RTFM it tells you there what the mileage displayed is based on on.

Instant is a snapshot. Averages are better

@@justgetatesla I understand the average bit and that it very useful. I just dont know why the three different distances give three different ‘instants’…surely instant is instant??? Manual is hopeless on this.

Yep. I don’t understand it either. But as I don’t use it, doesn’t matter

Wifey doesn’t hammer it that badly when she drives it - one set of numbers regardless of the driver

The car mostly uses "recent behavior" for the "instant" charts on Energy app (specifically those 5/15/30 miles), not so much for the navigation trip ones... I think. It DOES adjust the navigation Energy trip estimate, as you drive... and faster than the overall nav turn-by-turn directions display.. you can always open the app while driving, and see if your curve is above the projected line (good, using less energy, more remaining) or below (poor, using more than projected)... it also shows green=good, orange=bad using more than projected under the curve, very helpful. That way if say you hit a headwind, or are driving unusually faster than it expected (or slower, due to traffic), you can instantly see any time how you are doing. Sometimes that adjustment can get out of whack, if eg you are driving uphill, even though it knows elevation, sometimes it gets more pessimistic in my experience... just wait til the other side. In the end, the nav WILL be pretty accurate for you or anyone driving, especially once you get into the drive and it confirms your driving style/speed/conditions. It's a good idea to double-check the energy app and/or the nav arrival % prediction, while underway, to make sure you still have safety buffer on arrival, especially if conditions change or are poor, or you are very far from chargers... you can then adjust your driving (slow down) if safety buffer gets too low for comfort, or stop at a closer charger. If you pay attention to the nav , it is very rare you would run out of charge, unless something unusual happens .

@@cgamiga thank you really interesting info.

The car shows EPA range on the screen and not WLTP

Tesla advertise everything in the UK as WLTP. There's a bit of debate about whether they use EPA for the mileage display - both are similar. Either way it isn't live as the manual makes clear. Key point: don't obsess about range. Your car is not broken if you get less range than advertised...

I contacted Tesla UK and they said the indicated range is an estimate by calibration coming from both how the car is being driven plus how the traction battery is being utilised ( I assume charging behaviour ) - they also said it takes approx 3 months for a new car to fully calibrate. So it is not the WLTP.

Only with an aftermarket tilt and swivel kit but well with that in my opinion.

I believe it’s more motorized in Model S and X, but 3 and Y still have a rigid screen mount. Several companies make tilt swivel mounts.

As these guys have said, the screen doesn’t tilt

No. However, I've driven a Model 3 since 2019 and one thing that I always appreciate is that the sun NEVER reflects off the screen into my face, nor does the sun make the screen hard to read. I have however driven many other cars where the dashboard reflects badly into the back of the windscreen making it hard to see through. This doesn't happen on the Tesla either, the worst car that did, and I've had the misfortune to drive was a Kia Ceed.

@@peterwilliamson1825 Curious because that's exactly the reason I fitted a tilt/swivel mount. Sun catching it and it being hard to read. Factors that influence could be as simple as time of day driving, season of the year, height of driver.

Sure! You mean the one in Fraserburgh? 😏

The problem is the car needs to know the route you’ll be taking in order to accurately predict energy consumption. A battery gauge has to work even when you haven’t specified a destination.

Yes, I think it’s this. Always use navigation and it will measure to 0.1% how much power you need. It can’t do that if you don’t navigate

Just take a five year old with you ......

@bobuk5722 good idea, the kid can tow the caravan too 🤣🤣

I'm 70, and I don't find it too complicated. Editing my 'Outback Tesla Style' videos in iMovie though... THAT is ridiculous, as is the Apple file system (or lack thereof).

@@greghudson9717 your the exception

That’s why you should Just Get a Tesla as it does it all for you…

If what was possible?

Your experience isn’t most people’s experience. Have a look on the Honest John website -real mpg. Most users get nowhere near the advertised mileage

Manufacturers are legally bound to use WLTP numbers. It’s not a scam it’s just not a realistic enough measurement. But when you start driving a Tesla you don’t worry about range. I don’t miss ICE even though I drove them for decades.

It’s literally WLTP in Europe, EPA in the US etc. which is wrong unless you drive exactly like the test…

I’m alternating. Some longer form feature / road trip videos, some shorter issues / talking videos.

@@justgetatesla Hi Ian. I filled my iPhone 13 with over 100GB of video on my trip to Adelaide SA. It has been a nightmare trying to MOVE files onto an external SSD on my Mac (even following so called experts on YT) :-(

In older EVs like my Leaf, sure. In other EVs? Maybe. Not is Tesla. If it tells you that you’ll arrive on 31%, that is accurate

What part of “I don’t look at this because almost every trip I do is way less than the range” wasn’t clear?

We are considering switching from an electric car to petrol or diesel. I have some questions to see if it really suits me and my family and hope someone knowledgeable can help? 1. I have heard that a petrol car cannot be refueled at home but I have to go to a special place for this? How often do I have to fill up, is it several times a year? Will there be options for refueling at home? We are used to the car being filled up every morning, as sort of by itself. 2. Are there many parts that need to be replaced? The seller said something about oil and filter change, gearbox, timing belt and other service. Do you see how many percent degradation you have on the wearing parts or will they break suddenly? 3. Do I often have to brake with the brake pedal, or can I accelerate and brake with the same pedal as in my current car? Do I get gas back into the tank when I brake or go downhill? 4. Do all petrol and diesel cars have much slower acceleration? I test drove one yesterday and it felt like it took a very long time from when I stepped on the gas pedal until it reacted. Maybe there was something wrong with that particular car? 5. We now pay $0.02/mile but with the petrol it will be about $0.13, even if the new car is cheaper to buy it will very soon cost more. We drive 15,000 miles per year. We hope that more people will use petrol so that the prices will go down... is there such a trend? 6. I have understood that petrol and diesel consist largely of oil. Is it true that the extraction of oil is associated with global environmental problems and widespread wars with absolutely terrible consequences for people around the world, including several world wars and trouble in the last 100 years in which tens of millions of people have died? Is there any solution to that in sight, we don't want to contribute to such crap, do we? 7. My son also heard that petrol cars emit fumes and toxic gases. I’ve read about air pollution and its impact on respiratory health. Are we contributing to that by switching to a petrol or diesel car? Will these pose risks to our health and the environment? ... have more questions but these are the ones I came up with now. Thanks for all the help!

This isn’t GeoffClickbaitsMorons. Or GBeebies

FUD

FUD. “Battery replacement” 😂