P-47 vs. 109 K4 , Ju88s, DCS WW2 

I’m just glad to see people use the p47 in a fighter role and prove how good it was. Everyone knows it’s a good ground pounder but you never get to see it in its intended role as a fighter outside of games like war thunder or maybe IL-2

Gregg I think the P.47 was one of the best overall prop planes of ww2, it's unbelievably complicated engineering is a joy to behold.😎

A quibble: What you're attacking is a "line astern" formation. A "line abreast" formation would be flying wingtips together in a line extending outward parallel to the lead aircraft.

Thanks for the 47 tips. It’s my favorite DCS WWII module.

The P47 is my favorite ww2 aircraft! Thank you for sharing and educating us all.

Getting WW2 online flashbacks. The 2001 graphics still look good in my mind

thanks Mr. Greg, certainly wasn't expecting another video so soon, as a side note in the last couple of days I've come to realize Brits were quite unlucky in aircraft business sometimes, examples being in the cases of SR.177 vs F-104 in selling to Germans (from the doc Planes that never flew) and the case of Avro Canada's Arrow again from a doc dedicated to that plane (its Canadians this time but the mother company is Avro) also if it weren't for the information exchange with US (again politics) Brits could perhaps break the sound barrier in level flight first with Miles M.52

This is one of my favorite videos that you have made about flying in DCS, only secondary to the ones with me in them. [lol] Many times I've wanted to pick your brain about dog fighting in the Jug and this video answers all questions I wanted to ask and some that wouldn't occur to me to ask. This is the video I recommend people watch when I'm asked about dog fighting in the P-47 in DCS. By the way, in my experienced opinion on the subject of this plane in this sim on this server, your last landing at the end of this video, that damage to the landing gear wasn't completely unbelievable but it was before the last bug fix on the Thunderbolts undercarriage where it would previously malfunction during landing or after repair as the plane mysteriously levitates and then is given a 2 foot dead drop on to the ground which would end up damaging the gear that was just repaired. That bug has been fixed as far as I can tell. By the way the work around of that bug was to strip the plane of ammo, ordinance and fuel to minimize weight, which would work about every other time. This brings me to the reason for this long self serving comment. Next time you are flying the Jug in DCS, if its not too much to ask, would you be so kind as to make a mental note of the the way the plane lands under best conditions. I would love the input of an actual seasoned career commercial/private pilot that also has the experience that you have in DSC. I'm not asking for a review but rather just your perception of how it lands. I don't want to add any opinions I may have here in order to keep from in any way possibly foreshadowing your findings. If you could just PM me in discord that would be perfect.

I love that u make these bc it’s good for both crowds like the listeners and the watchers

Hahaha highly entertaining commentary, I can tell Greg is in his happy place when gunning things down in his P47

I always learn something, or many things, from your videos. The ‘47 was always a favorite. Your presentations, both academic and DCS practical demonstrations. Keep up the great work!

Love the recent content, Greg. Don’t mind the nitpickers

I love the DCS warbirds videos. I now fly on the wolfpack server as default instead of the 4ya SoW one. It's also nice having MW50 available for axis.

As a longtime subscriber who is routinely in awe of your knowledge, I thought I ought to capitalize on the one time I could ever correct you: that is a line astern formation. Abreast is side by side. Love your work bud

I remember someone ditching a P47 in the Hudson river maybe a decade ago. He didn't get out. Sad.

Thanks Greg, I do enjoy these

Realistic dog fight; I swear at one point I even heard a bark.😊

That was still fun to watch and learn from. Thanks 👍☕🐢

Back in the early 2000’s I had the original Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator. The Thunderbolt in that game was not good at high altitude. There was a mission with P-47’s defending B-17’s and I would always switch to a Mustang as MS made the P-51 fly much better at high altitudes. I suspect they got it wrong.

Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.

Thank you

Another tremendous video and realistic display. I think the K4 would had the best chance at zoom climbing to start right after the p47 sprayed at the beginning.

Very entertaining video, good information also.

I wonder why the P-47 didn't water ditch well? The F6F was about the same size and weight and there were certainly many survivable water landings. Thanks for the post.

Love these! Keep 'em coming!

Glad to see good sportsmanship. :-)

Thanks for the great Vid greg!

If only the P-47 in IL2 was modeled half this well 😢

I don't have DCS yet, but I do play in IL-2 single player, and if I tried to dogfight that 109K with a P47 like you did, I would have gotten shot down within 1 minute. IL2's P-47 handles like a cow even with water injection.

Could use of a different attack method have helped avoid damage from bomber defensive guns? How about an approach from high and ahead and repeatedly using speed and altitude?

I know this is late, but I missed it somehow and just watched the video. I was wondering why the 47 was so bad in a water grounding. Was that because the big heavy engine sucked the plane down before the pilot could get the canopy open?

Did you ever come around to make a Mosquito vs Lockheed P-38 Lightning. I think you said you would do two years ago. At the time you did the Lockheed P-38 Lightning and the Mosquito one(do not remember). But I can not find that video. I know these two plane are not an apples to apples comparison. But it would be interesting anyway. As they were quite often used in the same role

I don't think you mean "line abreast" formation. The JU88s are clearly in trail formation. Google "line abreast" if you think I'm wrong.

Sweet!

XDDD I didn't hear the door, I did hear the dog, but then again you'd had some sort of jedi laser battle going on for the previous 8 minutes or so, so tis all good XD

The nonchalant “Notice my throttle is non-responsive here…” has me cracking up laughing.

Best ww2 server

Hey Greg! Still trying to git gud (suck slightly less) at ww2...thanks for the engine mgmt tips. In a dogfight should my oil and intercoolers and cowl flaps be closed until needed, or do you leave some (oil?) neutral or open the whole time?

Lol is that a TV playing in the background?

Do you mind explaining to me why the P-47 was so dangerous when ditching on water? I have never heard that before. I can't really blame the plane itself in the event where the P-47 ditched in the Hudson and unfortunately claimed the life of the pilot. As far as I am aware, the ditching was completely successful, only the pilot got caught in the seat belts, and drowned when the the plane sank. Is that not a potential fault of every single WWII aircraft? Or is it just that the P-47 sinks faster than most, and is thus more dangerous?

Is it possible to slip the P47 on landing if you are too high/too fast?

3:26 what a privilege that was!

will you do a video on the 13mm Mg-131?

I love you and your videos mate, but you're a guy who does hour long videos about a single mark of plane. Can't you at least give a hint about why the P-47 ditched so badly? Or are you saving it for a 2 hour long exposé? 😁 A quick search hints at the P-47 sinking very quickly and the canopy not opening very easily in the water.

Ahem . .that was a LINE ASTERN formation, Greg. . .

I just turned 47. fitting.

I do not think that is the line-abrest formation. It appears to be the In trail with the pairs in the echelon left.

0:10 "They're in a line abreast formation...." Yeah, nah. I am pretty sure that is a line astern formation.... Line abreast would be side by side. But you know this already... LOL.

Why British markings on a P47D in Normandy? The brits (I am one...) only used them in the Far East (India/Burma, South East Asia Command - SEAC). P51 Normandy? Possibly.

So how do you fight a P-51 with a Jug?

I learned a lot from you, but that bad in-game engine management... ah, I can't believe it. I hope one day you get a VR headset and 'be there'. With the Honeycomb Bravo, for the left hand, the engine control can be complete from all the levers to all the engine cooling covers, switches, trims, and wheels of the gyroscope sight, and adjust them very quickly without looking where they are. In VR, I am afraid to follow the Ju88 like that. Inside the cockpit with VR, the eyes are very fast between combat and instruments, so it is not so easy to extend landing gears, flaps, and engine cowlings above 200. There is much more responsibility and a sense of reality, as well as real fear and noise. And the smell of burning when the computer gets too hot. I've been flying regularly for a year and I've never played it without VR, even though I have an ultrawide screen and it works great in MSFS, but the DCS camera limits me and doesn't swallow me like VR. I hope that sometime in the future we will have your VR recordings and impressions of fear in battle.

How certain can we be on the damage inflicted, its all modelled..? 😊

video is online... so nothing bad happened with stranger at the door

Weight does not influence glide ratio...? That makes no sense to me. Surely how hard the Earth is pulling it down has an effect on how far a plane can go forward?

Limey 47? SHAME! No cookie for you.

Isn‘t that a line astern/in trail formation rather than a line abreast?

Somebody knows convergence setting for the P 47 in DCS? In my opinion it should be 750 feet.

Everytime I go on the wolf pack server, it's deserted. It all seems to be going down on 4YA Normandy these days...

VR would make for much more engaging in game footage. Obviously there is a cost involved. If you ever need any help setting that up reach out.

So if my manifold pressure is at 70 with all levers forward and water injection below 6000ft , am i to understand that i am actually losing power?

Passing out Freedom like a boss.

The DCS version of the P47 seems off. It seems artificially floaty. Unlike Cars a big hvy plane doesn't float around more than a small one, lol. I hope they dont make this mistake with the Corsair.

You didn't even switch over to the external cam and show us all the damage to the propeller or anywhere else on the plane either? You just said that you wanted to show the damage to the prop??

Greg, according to the English dictionary, "ditching" is deemed, "A deliberate forced landing on WATER." So why do use that term, for a forced or crash landing on land? Any wheels up landing on land, has got to be deemed a crash landing.

Promo-SM 🙈

You should dogfight, GrowingSidewinder. You're both good pilots

Thank you

it seems you were already able to fix the FPS issue in this one. Great. Much more enjoyable.

Very interesting and logical, thanks Greg

JU 188s? They had three 13mm and one 20mm cannon.

Such a great channel...Do you know why the P-38 was not used in bomber escort?.. It had more range than the P-47