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That guy is not a pacifist, he’s the sort of person who’s been told they shouldn’t like violence, but deep down he knows he does, he enjoyed watching that.
There is a lot of that shit going around, especially on things guys like. I enjoy violence, I enjoy committing it and observing. I'm just not dumb enough to do violence outside of it's proper place (a training room, a commissioned fight, or self defense, that's it).
@@Bonesawisready926 yeah I get it too, I have practiced martial arts for 10 years. Violence has its place. If nothing else, it is a good workout. But other than that it teaches control and trains your instincts, it's not a bad thing.
@@Bonesawisready926 That's pretty honest lol. I think I'm the same although the only fights I've been in were school fights and those aren't really fights. But there is that attraction. I'm gonna be taking up muy thai, seeing if I enjoy it and I think i shall.
@@gabago0l school fights are the funniest things to watch. Especially because the majority of people initiating the fight start it for dumb reasons. And they are just slap boxing and hugging so that’s funny
@@bruhroyale12123 I guess when you're a child it seems more cool. I remember mine got started because I told some lower grade kid to fuck off. We fought a few hours later and he tried tackling me so i just started kneeing him. I have no desire to get into a street fight though since I'm not an idiot.
Although i reckon you could be a type of pacifist and still ok with boxing and mma but not war as no one is killed intentionally in combat sports and there is consent involved (unlike in war).
I mean, ultimately I'm a pacifist, I dont like or believe in solving things with violence unless entirely necessary. But this shits a sport, I love it.
He's easygoing and open-minded about things that may not be his cup of tea. A gold star pacifist if you ask me. Being vehemently anti-everything-that-doesnt-cater-to-my-sensibilities seems like the one life path a pacifist would most likely want to avoid to keep confrontation to a minimum, but it's clearly not the case.
He definitely seems like the least confrontational of the pacifists on display. Some of the others look ready to fight over how pacifist they believe everybody should be.
Asking if it's normal human behavior... this kind of activities have been a thing (and a very central one at that) since the dawn of civilization across all continents. Like, what are you going to do, ban humanity? This has across history and cultures always been a core part of being a human.
She’s a pacifist but every second sentence of hers was about how this is barbaric and questioning the behavior making it look bad. In the end when she is like “I believe everyone has good in them” and then makes it look like these athletes are bad people because of their sport. How can she call herself a pacifist if with every statement or hers she tries to make it look bad to make her look better. I mean you would be used to this behavior from those weird girls from Highschool or like 14 year olds but for a grown woman to be so into appearance and being right all the time fucks my head up. She Is the reason people use PR firms.
@@alfredqorri9424 it's because shes a weak individual inside and out and can't grapple with the fact that there are people that exist that aren't hindered mentally and emotionally like she is.
"deep down inside there is a little bit of good in them" what an ignorant and ridiculous statement about martial artists.... Most of them are top notch human beings. It's unbelievable how brainwashed this woman is, the one who is ashamed of her age.
Nah, most of them aren't top notch human beings. They are average human beings, some are "good" some are "a*holes" and most are somewhere in between just like in the normal population. And it's not ridiculous to think they are bad if you aren't into MA and only see how they beat the living crap out of each other, it's not normal social behaviour. You only understand that it's acceptable if you inform yourself about it, that there are strict rules to make it safe and fair, and both fighters are consenting individuals, otherwise, it's totally normal to think it's barbaric.
Ikr and her just saying "there has to be another way to resolve this" resolve what? There usually never is any real beef between fighters. Most of the time the "beef" is just made up to sell ppv. And even in real beef fights, there isnt any other way to resolve it. Thats just how we humans are. If somone beats you in a 1v1 fair and square mma fight. What ever issues you had with him should be gone. The beef is over. Like in street beefs, most if not all real beef fights end in the opponents huging it out or shaking hands. This lady really triggered me lol
It’s interesting seeing how differently these three people who say they’re the same thing react to MMA, Laura respects it as a sport but has a lot of empathy and worries for the fighters, Zach doesn’t really seem to be trying to push the “pacifist” message but seems to actually enjoy the sport I think he’s just against real violence and brutality like most of us, and Ingrid seems to think she has some moral high ground and that people who watch and enjoy MMA are genuinely weird/wrong and that the fighters are bad people for participating in it and for doing what they do in their fights
@@cygnusx-3217 Gandhi wasn't a pacifist by principle but by tactics. he knew he couldn't beat the british empire in a fight. he's not the saint ppl claim to be
Are you aware what you just said would mean minor conflicts like you accidentally bumping into someone end with a physical altercation? Also there would no legal system because everyone settels their conflicts inside the ring. I am not sure you thought this through.
@@laurean5998 Yeah if you bump into the wrong person you won't wait for the ring to get in a physical altercation even with the current legal system. Go try.
@@laurean5998 i think he meant wars and battles were instead of 100,000's of fathers, sons, husbands, mothers, wifes, daughters dying, it reduces casualties, the best warriors fight the best warriors, its a primative concept as the fate of your people rest on your shoulders and bigger countries can bully every smaller guy as they can train fighters with high tech and diets, trainers, etc. But its a fun concept, like David vs Goliath, it actually has happened before, ancient war had one Warrior from their army fight one warrior from the enemy army and winner wins, neither will lose troops and perserve a lot of peoples life, Duels also come to mind, instead of suing or making an uproar, you defend your honor with a duel, you accept it then youre willing to die and know the risk, even so, the justice system fucks more people than a death match
@@laurean5998 Absolutism does leave holes but I think we all know what he really meant and what specific situations he was referring too. It also depends on how you define conflict.
Being a hardline pacifist just tells me you’ve had an incredibly privileged and sheltered life and it’s incredibly aloof to simply dismiss combat sport as “insane” or “unexplainable” like they’re somehow enlightened.
Zach: Father Figure (secretly loves fights) Laura: Mother Figure (cares a lot about the individual fighters and seems genuninely worried) Ingrid: Mother Theresa (falsely wise, arrogant, ignorant)
I like the difference between Laura’s and Ingrid. Laura is quite sheltered, but she means well, and opposes violence out of genuine concern for others. As far as I can tell, she doesn’t think she’s superior to others. Ingrid is a pacifist so she can (in her mind) be superior to other people without actually doing anything to improve herself.
Mother Theresa was very good at torture and causing suffering. I can totally see how a pacifist would idolize them. /s Calls sport barbaric, but doesn't even have a proper education .. -sigh-
@@mackenziebenedict8403 yeah Laura seemed like a sweetheart. Like she understands that its a sport and gets it, but just doesnt like it cause she doesnt like violence. But she isnt bitchy about it as the older lady
Thousands of years bro! The Romans, the Greeks, Many African countries, nearly all the great civilisations hosted and created their own forms of combat sports.
People think combat sports is just about violence. It’s so much more than that. Combat sports and martial arts is a whole art form and a science at the same time.
Facts tho, like I’ve been mugged multiple times in college and I can tell you that being a “pacifist” doesn’t help, but to be fair I was a national boxer
I love how "ingrid marsh" says how can violence be sport when other sports like football, rugby and more where people are running full sprint into people
The guy is just like my wife, complains every time I turn on a fight and then avidly watches it and cheers them on while pretending she hates it. Armchair pacifist 😂
My mother had a relative who didn't care much for ice hockey. But her eyes would be glued to the screen every time two players dropped the gloves for a fight.
Being a pacifist is such a strange concept. The fact that you could be so sheltered your whole life to the point of disillusion when a simple mma fight is on is worrying. Hopefully they never see what true violence really is
Just send these people to Rio de Janeiro in Brazil. Let them live in the slums there for a month. Im pretty sure they will rethink their concept of life.
GREAT COMMENT. Wish I got to you first. The thought of really hurting someone permanently or killing an innocent makes me physically ill. Yet I have been boxing since I was 7 and now coach as well. I dont know a single guy who wants a sociopath in their gym no matter how good they are. You take violent troubled kids and men in to teach them discipline and control, but never stone cold psychos. If those kids are great but you think they are going to go out and use it to do even more damage. They are out and no decent coach wants them
@@thegadflygang5381 Agreed. I always compare teaching a student how to hurt people better, but neglecting to teach them discipline and morality to giving a child a loaded gun.
@@buba759 No. Pacifist are all evil because they expect everyone else to do the heavy lifting of protecting society while looking down their noses at everyone else.
@@buba759 if they were bad people they'd be starting random fights in public, instead they go into a ring where both parties have acknowledged the dangers, and the rules that try to prevent life long injuries
Being a "pacifist" is a privilege granted by the massive struggle and battles and bloody wars fought by our ancestors, as well as the entire battle for survival over hundreds of millions of years of evolution leading up to our current "civilized" form
It's not just a privilege bestowed by ancestors but even in current conditions we have rule of law. We trust that we don't have to hunt animals because hunters do that for us. Food doesn't come from the forest, it comes from the grocery store now. We won't get raped or murdered on our way to the store because there is rule of law, and bad people who would do such things know they will be dragged to prison by a government capable of as much violence as possible to make sure they go. Pacifists outsource violence, then look down on the people they outsource it to
Not true, there are many religions that have practiced non violence from pre silk road up to now, there was also a pacifist medic in ww2 that was awarded the medal of honor for his actions on Hacksaw Ridge. Life is more nuanced than you think bro, having a narrow view can blind you to reality.
@@Audio041194 Yes, but these examples exist within the overall framework of human society that has been brought about through violence. If everyone in ww2 acted as the medic did, the war would have been lost, and the temporary peaceful times that we have all taken for granted in the western world would have never come to be. What do you think would have happened to Ukraine, for example, if they just chose the pacifist way. Surely nothing good. Hopefully they win the war and expel the forces that are trying to take them over so that people can exist peacefully and "passively" within their society when it's all over. But none of that will be possible without first fighting (by the way I was in Kiev when the war started). Also why do you feel the need to add "having a narrow view can blind you to reality?" In disagreeing with my point, you are trying (pathetically) to attack me for some reason, without even knowing anything about me. Very strange
The two women really come across as totally self righteous and condescending. I am fine with people not liking things, but those two just seem bitter, no need to insult someone just for having different interests.
@@johnsamson9680 Funny seeing as the majority of MMA fighters are Christian or Muslim(of course there’s so many others that I’m leaving out just saying) 😂
“You cannot truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of great violence. If you are not capable of violence, you are not peaceful, you are harmless.”
MMA fighters: *Fight* Pacifists: "I don't get it... I'm sure there must be another way to resolve this thing" What, did you want them to sit down in the octagon and play Rock Paper Scissors?
@@redclayscholar620 It just seems like if a fighter tried to choke his opponent she'd say "Oh why try to kill him?". And if it had ended in the score cards they probably did beat the shit out of each other either way so she'd still be in shock LOL
Also what are they "resolving"? They're not fighting because they need to solve some sort of problem, they're fighting because they enjoy doing it, they get paid to do it, and their fans enjoy watching them fight. That's the definition of a sport.
@@jeffreydorman8715 My point exactly, she sounds like she just can't fathom the idea that that's a sport, not some people fighting till death or something.
my guy, watched MJ get knocked out twice and straight up roasted him by callin him a dancer. All of this after he claimed he was a pacifist only 2 mins ago, bruuh xD
I'm going to be very frank with everyone here: I'm a peace activist. I absolutely hate the concept of war. I went to Iraq and saw atrocities and became disenchanted with violence of all kinds. That said, I'm also a martial artist. I have been involved in MMA since my youth. And the mentality and environment in actual MMA is completely different from the violence we see in war and crime. The people involved are consenting adults, and they are proficient in a skill. To be averse to this sort of sport in such a snooty way is basically a lack in understanding as opposed to a higher understanding. I can't speak for all martial artists, but the folks I've been around have been the most willing to put their own lives on the line before others in order to prevent cruel situations from occurring. To me, this is a form of pacifism that makes the most sense. The whole hemophobic and cringey disposition is essentially childish in my eyes.
i dont think she is a bad person but i do hate that she "thinks there is SOME good in them". Like wtf does that even mean? Because they are fighters, they DONT have good in them? Most of those people are very polite family oriented people.
I find Ingrid's "moral high ground" to be fucking hilarious. The other two are fine, much like how a father and mother would react to a school fight. But Ingrid is just calling these guys and gals evil for repeatedly and brutally punching and kicking each other with full force until the other party is knocked out, in which case they would continue to brutally smash their faces. Honestly, she's just so soft.
1:39 that knee is ICONIC! I remember this fight. 😂 Everyone I watched with LOST IT, and anyone who had doubts on Masvidal, instantly became fans. Also, the guy laughing, and saying "fxck off" you can tell he ACTUALLY enjoyed it. If he wasn't a fan before, he almost DEFINITELY is now. 😂😅
"A pacifist is someone who hates violence. They also hate violence to stop other violence." In other words, someone completely out of touch with reality. You either respond to violence with _ultraviolence_ or you become a victim of violence. This is the core principle behind how _law and order_ works. The ruling body creates rules, and they create penalties for breaking those rules. If they come to levy the penalty, and you refuse to pay the penalty, they will use _violence_ to either make you pay the penalty or apprehend you in order to imprison you. Even plants are violent.
They live in a world where they've never had to fight for anything, and where the state has a monopoly on violence. They lie to themselves about being pacifists - but harm their kids......
"It's just not normal is it?" You are ignoring the fact that this is literally engrained in human biology. Fighting is normal, stop thinking you're better than everyone else
If we're going into whats engrained in human biology then so is sensless killing, raping and pilliging. How bout we re-normalize that as well. I'm sure tough guys like you will be the first to get the axe.
@@SonsOfDeForest That’s what I assumed as well but it turns out that according to the Oxford dictionary, violence is _“behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.”_
@@olip52 just by your name I can see you are not a normal functioning human being. He said that it is easy to be a pacifist when other people fight in your place.
Would've been interesting if you showed a few clips of pure sportsmanship, where the opponents hug it out after the match, maybe even those occasions where one lets the other get up on their feet when they're down. Mainly because I want to know how Ingrid would continue to sit on her moral high ground after watching that.
That would be an interesting thing to see. Most sports are intense and dangerous and violent to some degree, but the underlying virtue of sportsmanship and self-control is what separates the honorable users of violence from the barbarians and thugs of the world. Just my take.
Agreed. Just play the end of pretty much any fight. They almost always hug it out, say how tough the other was, raise each other’s hands, bow to one another, etc. I would like to see her response to that. You know, the sportsmanship that is inherent to martial arts. Sure, we have gimmicky fighters , rivalries, and money fights but it’s almost always nothing but respect once the bout ends.
Exactly. I would say that majority of people are against violence except when it's absolutely unnecessary. But you can still like MMA, like the blonde girl or the guy did.
Yeah that mentality comes from someone who has never been exposed to hardship or violence. But while he said that. It's not really the reality. He might just suck at fighting and may be comfortable within society where he is. But I'm willing to bet if he was put into a situation where it was fight or die. He would choose fight. As is natural of humans and any other creature on the planet. Humanity as a whole are complex creatures. When it comes down to it. That said people like them first try to avoid conflict. Then try to negotiate their way out of it. And then as a last resort, will fight with everything they have. They might not be skilled. But desperate people have pulled off some amazing shit in history.
I'm also a pacifist, and I'm a pacifist when it comes to War, not in any kind of combat sports. Sports and Wars are totally two different things which these people can't never understand!
100%. I’m super chill in real life and always avoid fights. But I also wrestled, trained bjj, and watch mma regularly because it’s fun and it’s a skill to learn. I’m not into it because I “love violence”. In fact, I hate violence, and I train so I can avoid/survive violent situations
@@drake6800 sounds weird but I don't like violence but love fighting I would never fight someone in the street but doing rolling or sparring I have fun which is the same mindset most mma fighters have so to see these people assuming their horrible people is crazy
I appreciated the blonde woman coming to the conclusion that it's actually a sport that involves practice, conditioning, and training after watching a few fights. A lot of people can't seem to identify the sport part of MMA because of misconceptions and bias toward it being violent. She came out of this exchange with a different perspective, even if she's not a fan of it.
I think identifieing as a pacifist is an incredibly priviliged thing to do... I like how they act as if violence is inhumane or being a fighter makes you a bad person. Violence, struggle, fighting and war have been a part of every human in existence up until we became so comfortable that we could have other people do it for us.
I mean, I get hating violence and looking for other options to prevent it; I've been in enough violent situations in my life to know I'd never want to be in another one if I can avoid it - but where I draw the line is when people take violence from being a last resort to a non-option. That's where it goes from being potentially understandable to being outright ridiculous/delusional as well as dangerous and potentially even cowardly. That said, violence not being a last resort is usually better, as sufficient application of sudden and brutal force can often prevent a situation from metastisizing.
Violence is part of human nature just like anger. These people give off an vibe that they lived in a well off home in a nice neighborhood. Almost as if they have been shielded from evil their whole lives. Must be nice. Can't relate.
Agreed. It’s either very privileged because you’ve never had to defend yourself or your loved ones or, if you actually won’t use violence to stop a genocide of stop your daughter from being raped you’re a Gdamn coward...
@@proxagonal5954 definitions aren't found, they are argued by people. I argue it isn't violence, because violence carries the assumption that harm is inflicted without consent. In the same way I don't think abortion is murder because it is a person exercising their bodily autonomy.
@@RedstonerD Yes, definitions for words are given by people, but that doesn't mean they can be given by any person: it's about what the majority agrees on. Google defines violence as "behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.". MMA fits that definition. In addition, any person you'd ask on the street would tell you that this fits the definition of violence. Therefore, the majority agrees. MMA being violence doesn't make it bad. Just because violence is usually bad doesn't mean MMA is bad.
In order to be a pacifist you need to be ready and able to defend yourself and to "pacify" whoever tries to do harm to you or anyone around you. If you can't, you are not a pacifist, you are just harmless.
Jesus didn't defend himself and was harmless, reason he's the pacifist. Pacifists let the enemy take their life, they sacrifice their life instead of using violence.
To be fair i've been a die hard mma fan for 20 years and The MVP Vs Cyborg outcome really makes me cringe as well..it's important to stress how rare an accident like this is in MMA, that's the only time in 20 something years it's ever happened. Also Cyborg is retired but there was no permanent damage.
I wouldn't say the *only* time, there have been a handful of deaths in MMA (although far fewer than most people would think, and not as many as boxing or even conventional team sports), but I get what you mean, it's exceedingly rare.
@@DoubleDOwnage I think there have been 3 people die directly due to injuries suffered in an MMA fight, most recently there was a guy I Great Britain that suffered some nasty G&P and died in the hospital from brain injury, I think that was 5-10 years ago. I wasn't suggesting Cyborg died, I was saying that people have suffered worse injuries than that, so you can't really say it's the only time anyone has suffered an injury like that. Unless you want to be extremely pedantic and say it's the only time anyone has suffered that exact same specific injury. Because you can make that argument about anyone that's ever suffered any injury. And 3 deaths over the span of 30 years, across the entire world is still extremely rare, more people have died due to boxing injuries during that span.
It's funny, I'm a boxer and I do love fighting, and it kinda has nothing to do with your personality and most fighter are way more kind and humble than normal people
to be a pacifist you need the ability to choose not to use violence. If you don't have the ability to be violent, non-violence is your default, you're not virtuous, you are only a voctime in waiting
I guarantee when or if these chicks and the due has kids and someone threatened or assaults there kids their inner violence they packed away would come out!!! you may not choose to be violent or against it which is respectful but this is who we are and everyone...AND THE ROCK MEANS EVERYONEEEEEE!!!!!! HAS THE ABILITY TO BE VIOLENT WHEN SHIT GOES DOWN!
@@jbauer140 that's the equivalent of the "when i see red guy". They might surprise you at first but they'll always be inferior if the first strike doesn't disable. As an alegorydo you know Marc McYoung's highway of violence, to illustrate this? Normal person's speed 20, if angry or pushed, might speed up to 50 or 60kmh but won't feel at ease as unused to it. Trained fighters would have a cruise speed of 50, and in similar Situation would go up to 80-90kmh. They'll still be inferior to the person used to maiming or killing who's speed at rest is 90. And if that one speeds up...
Pain is completely unnecessary to achieve peace. On the contrary, all it takes to achieve peace is that we choose not to inflict pain upon one another.
delilahknight6068 To put this quote in another perspective: if you have the potential to be harmful and choose not to be, you are peaceful. If you dont have it, you are harmless. That's a big difference. If you are potentially harmful in some way there is a great chance you endured or experienced pain. If you are harmless, you just didnt train much
@@delilahknight6068There is actually some truth in it, because those who suffered the most will be the most afraid to lose it. It's similar to those with privileges are usually the ones who don't see it.
Being a hardline pacifist just tells me you’ve had an incredibly privileged and sheltered life and it’s incredibly aloof to simply dismiss combat sport as “insane” or “unexplainable” like they’re somehow enlightened..... someone else commented this and its so accurate i had to reaffirm it.. shoutout Shinobi FPV
@@gabrielmonteiro7092 makes sense they come across as uptight lol.. I'm in Germany, Berlin has no shortage of mma gyms and every slavic guy I ever met, be it from Bulgaria to Moldova, everyone's a fighter lol
