Exactly what I was about to write as my comment myself! Brian is Joseph all over again : with apparitions of Jesus and angels to give him supernatural powers of translation for languages he has no clue about, claims of undue persecution by “the learned”, who God now apparently despises. The result of his translation being also equal to Smith’s own: a work of fabrication only to be believed through the subject feelings of the reader.
@@fnjesusfreak Charles T. Russell founder of JWs claim to know greek and had special revolution on the scriptures. Yet, in court he couldn't read the most simple greek .
I shared the work you have been doing with my Pastor. We have had several people at my Church repent for using this "translation". Keep up the great work!
Praise God! I shared about TPT with my former Pastors and they shut me down. They said I don’t understand anything because I haven’t gone to ministry school. Please pray for this church. I love them and I don’t want them to fall prey to the enemy’s schemes.
Unfortunately, many need to repent for slandering a man due to theological prejudice of which they are too reluctant to acknowledge. Brian has definitely brought interpretive elements to his work, and the guest himself has done exactly the same thing with his interpretation of Brian. Arguments from context and what constitutes too much "me" are arguments fully entrenched in theological prejudice. This is another Brian commenting on Brian.
I got the Passion Translation for Christmas a few years ago. I heard about it through a Jenn Johnson message. I was in a charismatic church for six years. There were things going on that I didn't agree with like speaking in tongues and the stance on healing. One of the associate pastors also claimed to have gone to heaven four times, to hell once, and had been translated several times. Back in March I watched American Gospel and it sent me down a rabbit trail to seek the truth. I finally decided to leave my former church last Sunday. A few days ago, I came across Mike's series on the Passion Translation and my eyes were opened. This morning I put my Passion Translation in my grill and set it on fire. The truth will truly set you free.🙌🏾🙌🏾😊
this is why i'm always so agitated by some of my fellow charismatic churches. being in God's presence and speaking in tongues is not a bad thing (Paul instructs us in 1 Corinthians to EARNESTLY desire the gift of tongues). but it's when the enemy sneaks in and fools people that we start to sound crazy. no, i don't think that man has gone to heaven and hell and all those things. BUT!! it's personally my own belief that tongues and supernatural healing are real and alive. not all charismatic churches are like that (mine especially is not. we do not condone TPT). you were at a really, really misled one. id hate to see someone's relationship with God resort to a religious stiff relationship with Him because of PEOPLE and their false teachings. just stay open. His presence can (and will) surprise you
Next Wednesday (1-6-21) I’ll have the next video in this series for you all. It’s with Dr. Douglas Moo and will be on Romans in TPT. Romans just happens to be the book that Brian says he had special help on from an 8 foot tall angel. But our review seems to show that he didn’t even have the basics of linguistics down.
Is that 1-6-21 maybe? I just looked at my phone and the first Wednesday in December was the 2nd but 6th is January. Just double checking because I can hardly wait for the next video in this series! Happy early New Year
Well, that's sort of how the Jews view the New Testament. This claim by itself is not impossible, but we have to check if it is true or not in the larger context of what we know about reality.
@@coryharasha and this is very logical of them! But Jesus said the Old Testament was all pointing to Him, and he backs up that claim with so much evidence that I think you have to be totally unwilling to admit the possibility, for it to still be deniable. I'm not a Jew so I'm not speaking for them, I was raised totally New Age, but Paul does point out the whole point of the Law was to make us see ourselves as sinners, hopeless to do anything about it, so we would understand why the Gospel is such utterly good news. I have yet to find any passage of scripture, old or new, that doesn't fit that conclusion.
I seems as though Brian Simmons is sincere and that he honestly believes what he is saying. Unfortunately this is just another example of someone being 100% sincere and 100% wrong at the same time. I would like to see him defend his "translation" in a open forum with actual Bible translators. Although I assume this will never happen.
Any time someone like Brian Simmons starts blathering about having "special new divine revelations not revealed to anyone else over the past 2000 years," I automatically start keeping a close eye on my wallet...
Once again, a nice scholarly examination of The Passion. There's enough anger & hate out there. We're supposed to set ourselves apart by our love, even when we're having to call someone out.
I don’t know why all these young people are so angry all the time about everything. Then again, I’m Gen X and, just about every other generation says we have no passion. Which in this case would be a good thing. Most of us probably couldn’t scrape together enough passion to open the cover of the TPT. Sounds like we’d have to expend too much energy being Yippy, Yippy high and positive all the time. Me, I find it so much better to share the love GOD has given me with as many people as possible. Gives me energy rather than drains it!
I feel like Brian Simmons just learned the word homonym, thought it felt fun to say and so decided to squeeze it in as much as possible to every conversation
Interacting with and growing up as a pentecostal I was told as young adult that we were a extremely special generation. It was often emphasized that special personal revelation and experience outside the bible was normal and that you were somehow less spiritual if you didn't experience these. So when Brian Simmons has grown up with these traditions we shouldn't be surprised if he truly believes God gives him "secret" insight into the greek which has never been revealed or was simply "lost".
I grew up in the AOG church. The emphasis on "Speaking in tongues" was a badge or proof that you were spiritual. I heard sermons on just "open your mouth and let it flow". I fled the church when I read in the Bible that tongues was not the greatest of gifts and how it was being abused by the early church. Later when I research the AOG, I found it was created out of racism because the early Pentecostals were mixed racially. It was established as a "White" brand of Pentecostalism. It also was a works oriented church, as least mine was. I am so glad I left.
@Tom K: I grew up Pentecostal and, anything outside the Bible would not have been tolerated. On behalf of all the Pentecostals who were raised like me, I would like to extend my deepest apologies. And, I have asked GOD to give you any healing for any damage a church has caused. Bless you ❤️
@@bringemyoungpbuh4123 Sorry to hear about your AOG experience. I’ve been tearing apart my belief systems for about 25 years now. It’s terrifying how deep the roots go on somethings. The jury is still out on the “prayer language” thing. Maybe I’m just missing it when I read my Bible but, I can’t find it there. Is there any chance I can get book titles and/or websites that used in your research. I’m trying to research Pentecostalism and, all the books I’ve been able to find are by Calvinists or Cessationists. Which basically means that they are rabidly anti-pentecostal. I’d like a few that present an accurate history. And, a few that present both the good and bad. If you could help me, I would be most thankful! GOD bless ❤️🙌🏼❤️
@@tinamemering7795 The information about AOG being formed as a racially separatist organization I found on the internet. I think it is well recorded in the organizations founding. The fundamental attitude anyone should have is humility. The information about tongues that determined my mind comes from the Bible itself. Don't rely on people's opinion you read in books. Rely on the Bible. 1 Corinthians 14:1-40 is a good passage. 1 Corinthians 13:1-13 is also important. From what I can tell, it is a valid spiritual gift, but Paul was writing about it being abused. I believe it is abused today by people who want to externally appear to be spiritual. It is also used as a way to "certify" you are saved instead of learning to trust God at his word that you are saved by trusting in the work of Jesus's life, death and resurrection. The other thing I grew up believing is that sin after salvation caused me to lose my salvation. I lived a roller-coaster of doubt and uncertainty. I now reject that belief. I am secure in my salvation as long as I trust that Jesus is my savior. I think it is possible for people to once be saved and later reject Jesus, but our salvation does not hang by a thread by our behavior.
I compare this guy to a traveling spiritual salesman Who is peddling the word of God with his special elixir of Aramaic homonyms. Don’t drink it. Be afraid be very afraid and run. Thank you Mike and your guest scholar for pointing out the dangers of this poorly rendered paraphrase. Looking forward to hearing your discussion with Dr. Moo. Keep up the great work. God bless you.
To many people want their "great gift" to be the proof of their relationship, rather than their love. We've moved from "what can I do for you" to "look what I can do"
I love how all of the scholars in this project so far have had very different personalities, approaches, and backgrounds, but they all have very similar ideas about this “translation.”
Thanks so much for this detailed, authentic and easy for the layperson to understand interview. You are a gem of a man! Blessings brother! Thanks also to Dr. Bock.
Thank you for everything you do in your work for God. Your knowledge is second to none, and your “passion” for making sure ppl know the truth is amazing. I have grown much closer in my walk with God since subscribing and watching your videos. God bless and keep going strong ❤️
In a charismatic setting we sit back and believe our beloved pastors. Because we love them ,we believe them. But we need to discern as well ! Thank you so much for your excellent work !
Mike I appreciate your work. I emailed a few clips to all the pastors at our 9 campuses. I was blessed by our senior pastors response that “if we can’t get it done with so many other acceptable and responsible translations, we can’t get it done.” When I’ve talked one on one though with a few people, some family members, the responses have been “If it brings people to the Lord, what difference does it make? That’s all that matters.” Or I love the passion translation, I use others to.” 😢
It’s so comforting to know Mr. Simmons has decided he will be our Holy Spirit to tell us what Proverbs & other books are saying because we are all just in the dark & he has THE ANSWERS. I wonder how long he can keep this up. @biblegateway, for the love of God & all those of us who trust God as spoken in His word, please remove this self proclaimed “translation!”
These having been so edifying to the body of Christ. For those who really want the truth, we greatly appreciate all of your hard work. Praise God for sound biblical truth!
Thanks for the link to Dr. Bock. He's been around for awhile and is familiar to me. Looking forward to it! As always, I don't agree with absolutely everything he teaches, but that's because we're all human and fall short in every area of life. HUGZ & PRAYERS!!!!!!!
the Psalms are really messed up and the sad thing is they are poetry/lyrics. you don't go around changing someone else's poetry or art and say God told you to, that I think is the most messed up part of all of the Passion
I am really enjoying this series of videos, and the reticence but apparent truthfulness of your guest scholars. A light moment..."cackles rise." Hens cackle. Dogs have hackles that rise when they feel threatened. I laughed with you. As for paraphrases, the first edition of The Living Bible made the Bible come alive for me. It has long since collected dust on my shelf, but not so my KJV or NAS. Best regards.
The problem with imagining a translator knows secrets of the language is that if one imagines the author understood the same secrets, for that to be meaningful one must also imagine the original intended audience knew the secrets, otherwise the secrets are immaterial. And if they could be expected to know said secrets, how secret could they have been and why have they have been lost to all linguists everywhere?
@@echeneis2256 Jesus did say that, though in private he explained everything to his disciples, so it was abundantly clear to them. So the gospels and the epistles are NOT written in a secretive manner. Likewise with Paul. Paul never says that he speaks hidden things in parables.
Pretty sure the secret things being mentioned aren't linguistic. I'm not even sure a living language can have linguistic secrets. That's not how language works.
@@jwhippet8313 well there is Gematria and there was a time when there was One Language (At the Tower of Babel), there is also the "tongue of angels" etc... Speaking in Tongues of Angels What point was Paul trying to get across when he talked about speaking in tongues of Angels? Let's take a look at the Bible verse in question: 1 Corinthians 13:1 .....'Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.' Now the key to understanding this Bible verse about speaking in tongues of angels, is in the VERY NEXT verse! What does Paul say in the next verse? ..... 1 Corinthians 13:2 .....'And though I have the gift of prophecy, and UNDERSTAND ALL MYSTERIES, and ALL KNOWLEDGE, and though I have ALL FAITH, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.' ..... The tongue of angels was connected to prophecy and the understanding of deep mysteries. So apparently this has something to do with angelic language. NOTE: There is also angel food! from Wikipedia about Enochian Angelic Language of John Dee Dee's Angelic language According to Tobias Churton in his text The Golden Builders,[5] the concept of an Angelic or antediluvian language was common during Dee's time. If one could speak the language of Angels, it was believed one could directly interact with them. In 1581, Dee mentioned in his personal journals that God had sent "good angels" to communicate directly with prophets. (As angels frequently do in the Old and New Testament. It's connected to the Tower of Babel. Also, note that Acts 2, Pentecost, when the 120 were gathered and all spoke in tongues, it was a REVERSAL of the Babel story where God divided the tongues of the people and scattered them. At Pentecost, God had brought the people of different languages and they spoke in "tongues" so that they all could hear each other speak. It was a REVERSAL, and a type of "in-gathering".
@@christopherwalls4337 Colossians 1:26, NIV: "the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the Lord's people."
I am so grateful for your ministry Mike! Looking forward to more to come! You help us navigate through all the lies and find deeper truths in Gods word! Keep it up!! We are hungry!!💪🏼✝️✨
Thank you for this project, Mike. It is so very needed among modern charismatic evangelicalism! I'm sharing each of these videos over on the Dojo Facebook page and I love seeing the scholars you've chosen to engage with it. Well done!
Many extreme charismatics today resemble the Gnostics and Arians. Any who claim to have "hidden knowledge" are more akin to the Gnostics than the Christians, and any who claim we can be like Christ or that Jesus was a man who elevated himself are of the same heiracy of the Arians.
All very troubling. Thank u for shedding light on this. Before I stumbled upon these videos, I knew something was wrong. A sister in Christ insisted on reading from TPT during some discipleship training. It didn't even sound like the Bible. So much emphasis on us and less on God's Glory. Have since found so many well meaning Christians caught up in this 'translation'. Seeking God's wisdom to have correcting conversations where the Spirit leads.
Thank you for this video series, even though I'm enjoying the subject matter, the second treasure in each video is meeting all of these amazing scholars and translators. Thank you for each and every new introduction ❤️
Develop a personal fellowship and deep relationship with Jesus Christ daily so you’ll know truth from error and deception. John 16:13 🕊 Matthew 24:24 1 Corinthians 2:10-16🪔🕊
Thank you so much for doing these interviews, it’s desperately needed. The one idea that I’ve noticed that each scholar has said is that it would be okay if they read it along side a good translation (ESV, NIV, etc...). The problem is that most people would then use the Passion like a commentary-it would inform them how to understand what they are reading in the translation, rather than showing them where the miss steps are in the TPT.
Another great episode. Thanks Mike. When I see Brian Simmons and the like speak the way they do, I honestly wonder how we can even claim to follow the same God. There's so much deception. Why is it that the hyper charismatics don't see the value in discernment from the Holy Spirit as they do all the weird nonsense they partake in.
It was quite nauseating, listening to all of the times he says that God gave him all this new revelation. As if now, at the end of the church age, God would decide to make all these drastic changes to the Bible. 🤦🏼♀️
It is nauseating listening to the sick reaction to a claim of an encounter, as though this claim itself is grounds for discrediting a man. If God ever visits you, which he most certainly won't due to unbelief, you would be talking about it in exactly the same manner.
Lol, "just don't go there, it hurts me"! I feel for him, I have always had a lot of love for language, and language-specific nuance, and how a word's etymology can carry shadow meanings. It's pretty painful to me too, to see someone misappropriate etymology to back up his own made up theology. Ouch! Thank you for doing this series, Pastor Mike!
The most important point in all of this is that the original NT that we have had for the past 2000 Years is in Greek and not Aramaic ! If you sudd enly ' change' that you are changing the message of the NT which has been believed and accepted by Christians since the day of Pentecost ...and that is an extremely serious matter !
“God touched his forehead and opened his mental capacity? Like Adam Mitchell in Doctor Who? Seriously, it astounds me how people believe others who make such claims as he has. One thing I have to be thankful for is that these spiritual nut jobs actually made me want to read The Bible for it says.
I need your help! My mom bought the passion translation for my dad for Christmas. I nearly jumped out of my seat when I seen the gift. How would you recommend addressing this? I’ve sent my parents a few of your videos but which one of them would you specifically recommend as a one stop shop?? Thanks!
Howdy, recently my grandma in law has been reading books by charasmatics and wants to learn how to be more attentive to hearing the holy spirit, so i feel we are encountering similar situations where people are reading their own theology into the bible. In short i would say approach them with the gospel and help them to see that this translation is not honoring of the true gospel
I think his video "Why you need to chuck the Passion Translation" is probably a good overview. Also, Alisa Childers has a short video that's good and so does Melissa Dougherty (I think Mike is in that one). A friend of mine really got into the word of faith stuff last year and I found that showing him multiple people point out the problems was really effective.
@@lukericker8325 in the right context, yes its is correct to be attentive but within the context of what my grandma is reading, she feels that she herself needs to learn how to hear like how the book (not the bible) says that a believer can listen to the holy spirit. But the mere fact that she feels this way can mean one of two things: she is not a believer or there is an ability that believers must learn. This is problematic because the true test of a believer is found in the epistle 1st john and the latter problem points to a gnostic nature where mature believers can listen and baby believers cant. The truth is that yes there are things we ought to learn and yes they do take time but we are a temple for the holy spirit who indwells with us as per the new covenant the LORD made with us confirmed by the helper whom Jesus sent. So the truth on how to listen to the holy spirit is to get into the word of God and when the time comes the spirit will give you what is necessary to glorify the Lord.
Thanks for the video. Just wanted to point out that the known Aramaic Texts, such as the Peshitta, often do not say the things that Simon's claims in the footnotes. For example, the phrase 'tenderly devoted' does not appear. Simmons is making it up as he goes along. Please consider getting an expert on the Aramaic and/or Syriac texts to review some of the passages so that this deception is exposed.
I might actually be able to get someone just for that. I've already put out my feelers for someone who can just examine the Aramaic to answer what sources Simmons is using and if he uses them accurately.
@@MikeWinger Also if someone is reviewing Matthew I would love to hear their thoughts on Brains use of the Shem Tob manuscript, which he calls Hebrew Matthew. With Thanks
@@MikeWinger Wow, that would be great. thank you so much for responding to my comment. This issue has been annoying me for some time. I have seen Brian online recommending the Victor Alexander text to people who raise this issue to him. Victor is an independent filmmaker who claims to posses an Aramaic original that he wont allow scholars to analyze, or even see, supposedly due to their lack of faith.
Hi Pastor Mike! My name is Jaryl and I just want to say I have soooooo deeply impacted by this online ministry. Every video I watch I learn something new. I'm super grateful that you did follow in the Lord's calling :) on a tinyyyyy small note, would you ever be able to sing/lead a song of worship on this channel? HAHA
Are we really getting what Paul wrote in TPT translation? Spoiler: No 19:30 Are we really getting what God wants us to Know through the Bible in TPT translation? NO!!
The guest referenced precious little nuance of the language when referring to Ephesians. He referenced his own opinion on what constitutes Meism, which is not a scholarly discussion at all. It is culturally driven reactionary presumption. Any layman could have made these same arguments based exclusively on context and theological prejudice. Mike might as well of been talking to the janitor.
Mike, thank you for your incredibly helpful work- I can assure you- what you do is extremely valuable in people’s lives. I’ve enjoyed all these TPT series. May I make a suggestion however, for future TPT - translator interviews? You, Mike, clearly understand that the mistranslations are a big deal. That’s why you’ve put in the effort to expose it. But the translator interviews seem to spend most time playing the man rather than playing the ball. It’s all about why Simmons grandiose and seemingly fraudulent claims. Then the translator says something to the effect that ‘most of it is ok if seen as a paraphrase, but this one verse is a bit man-centred.’ Most readers would wonder ‘why make a fuss about that? No big deal if we see it as a paraphrase.’ I think it would be good if you could join the dots to show WHY these emphases actually alter doctrine and how preachers are using this. What happens to a church where most people are using this translation, what happens to a spiritual life? A LOT happens! But many are so blinded they can’t grasp what happens as they are entrenched in the gnostic ideas. Can you see a way to connect those dots? I’m sure plenty of your viewers have practical examples of what happened in their churches!
I don’t know why the tot surprises me. It fits nicely into a post modernism point of view. If you buy into the everyone is right and no one is wrong! Then each of us just guess at what we want God to be in our lives and right a bible pointed in that direction. Thank you pastor for pointing us to honest evaluation of things
Mike, excellent work as always, gentle and using their own videos to show the sales pitch.... is it time now??? can you NOW see where Bill Johnson is headed and its not Christian? Please do another video on him and crew (Simmons) and how sound judgement and self-controll isn't needed,(ie. Sound doctrine and life), just THEIR new revelations.... Cheers to you as always....
Let me ask you something, do you understand how to translate the Word of God? Can you give me the run down of how the process of translating the Word of God is done?
The other great part of this series is that us laymen are getting faces and voices to match the names of these scholars. And all of their info to find more resources. This is the most exciting thing about this, also the truth is coming out about TPT. Thank you so very much for all of these videos!
This has been great work having all of these scholars address the passion "translation". I can't help but wonder why Brian received the downloaded bible text but has to keep "updating" it. Did God get it wrong on the first download or did Brian. Jesus did say "Be not deceived". It's very concerning that this "translation" is so popular; every scholar so far recommends to use another real translation to do serious study. Why would I need this one is beyond me.
That was finally released? I remember when that was still being written..We’ve met Brian Simmons, he has some great stories 😁 Sad for his error.. Keep him in prayer 🙏 he is a goodhearted man
This was a very well done interview. Carefully delivered by dissecting what TPT "translation" is. It really is irresponsible of anyone, but in this case Simmons" to claim "special revelation" or "knowledge" that no one in over 2000 yrs has had before. When you look at these claim, it is in the same category as a "cult leader" and I'm not claiming he is a cult leader but his claims to how he received this is the same. Where are his manuscripts used to translate? Who did he consult with? Where are all the theologians who can give a fair review of this? Even when he claimed that the "angel" Passion helped give him the guidance. Joseph Smith talked to an angel, Mohammed talked to one, many cultic leaders have. Simmons is a danger (in my opinion) to the faith.
@42:00 Jude 1:8 says: "In the same way, these people --who claim authority from their DREAMS-- live immoral lives..." Praise God for shining his light on all falsehood.
