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Paint Shop Was Wrong to Claim Man's Classic Car as 'Abandoned' 

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So says the Virginia State Court.
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@UnicornOfDepression
@UnicornOfDepression 6 месяцев назад
"Umm, I never abandoned my vehicle. He was paid to repaint the vehicle. He did not do a quality job, and it still needed additional work. Instead of finishing the job, he tried to steal my vehicle by claiming it was abandoned. He then 'sold' it to someone who can't agree on how much they paid, and there is also no paperwork of said 'sale'."
@stevematson4808
@stevematson4808 6 месяцев назад
That is car theft
@howlinwulf
@howlinwulf 6 месяцев назад
Had the same thing happen to a friend.
@kerbo5918
@kerbo5918 6 месяцев назад
@@stevematson4808 no it’s conversion. Source? This video.
@bwofficial1776
@bwofficial1776 6 месяцев назад
@@kerbo5918 I don't think the car's owner cares that it was converted and not stolen. The result is the same, he doesn't have his car.
@rudykraft5526
@rudykraft5526 6 месяцев назад
@@stevematson4808 from a criminal perspective it was probably embezzlement.
@WlmaAlexender-zl6nx
@WlmaAlexender-zl6nx 6 месяцев назад
The system deals out justice so slowly, but will convict people who did nothing wrong in a heartbeat.
@UncleKennysPlace
@UncleKennysPlace 6 месяцев назад
That "system" is your fellow man.
@WlmaAlexender-zl6nx
@WlmaAlexender-zl6nx 6 месяцев назад
@@UncleKennysPlace Yes. Sadly.
@coolcatmeow77
@coolcatmeow77 6 месяцев назад
'It's better to jail 10 innocent people than let 1 guilty one go free' seems to be the philosophy in our 'injustice' system sadly
@Daves_Not_Here_Man_76
@Daves_Not_Here_Man_76 6 месяцев назад
@@coolcatmeow77 It's better to get fees and fines from 10 innocent men than to not get fees and fines from one guilty man.
@Seasniffer69
@Seasniffer69 6 месяцев назад
​@@Daves_Not_Here_Man_76the new god is money, not the Lord. Unfortunate times ahead
@maxnoe3079
@maxnoe3079 6 месяцев назад
I don’t know what the court of appeals was thinking. Clearly the car was never abandoned.
@quantumleaper
@quantumleaper 6 месяцев назад
I have abandoned a Car in the past, and I agree with you 1000%.
@Ocerkin
@Ocerkin 6 месяцев назад
must have been some heavy drinking involved
@timothyhorner3152
@timothyhorner3152 6 месяцев назад
Judges can be stupid also
@NyangoStarAmerica
@NyangoStarAmerica 6 месяцев назад
In my experience with the courts, I absolutely believe most judges are being bribed.
@sheepishmclemmingston5550
@sheepishmclemmingston5550 6 месяцев назад
​@@timothyhorner3152usually stupid isn't the case. Captured, corrupted or flat out negligent is usually the case. We've just resolved ourselves into " believing" their just numbskulls. I think that is FAR from the truth
@greedtheron8362
@greedtheron8362 6 месяцев назад
"Sadly, I bet this case cost more than the value of the car." I know a few guys who would value their car far higher than the blue book cost, especially if they've had it since high school.
@Seasniffer69
@Seasniffer69 6 месяцев назад
I had a CHERRY rust free cd5 Honda Accord in the late 2000s that I took IMMACULATE care of. Blue book was 2500 but it was arguably the cleanest one in my state. Similar ones just as clean and rust free sold for 6-7k back then. I was backed into right between the front and back seats, their insurance IMMEDIATELY totaled the car and would not budge off a $2000 payout. Boy oh boy I was absolutely raging mad
@YeahNo
@YeahNo 6 месяцев назад
@@Seasniffer69 My dad’s truck was stolen. When it was recovered the only damage was to the ignition. The insurance company wanted to write it off. My dad wanted his truck, for what they were going to pay out he could never get a similar truck or even close to it. Insurance company folded and my dad prevailed. It was a good truck.
@mgreg8134
@mgreg8134 6 месяцев назад
If I was seated on the jury the first question I would ask myself is why a guy would abandon a $78,000 Mustang that he was having repainted?
@stephanbranczyk8306
@stephanbranczyk8306 6 месяцев назад
And also, he had already paid for the painting!
@user-gu2yy6kq9y
@user-gu2yy6kq9y 4 месяца назад
I believe Mercedes is the accurate name of the car
@mgreg8134
@mgreg8134 4 месяца назад
@@user-gu2yy6kq9y The video said a 1970 Ford Mustang.
@railrodemike
@railrodemike 6 месяцев назад
I had a heart attack and left my 1989 Jeep in front of my sons house. My son was a work, and a towing company hauled it off as abandoned. Finally called the cops and informed they had it towed. The cost of towing and charges for storage in excess of a thousand dollars I gave up. To sick from heart attack to fight these thieves.
@tripplefives1402
@tripplefives1402 6 месяцев назад
Call the local TV news station. They usually have an investigative reporting segment.
@Plethora.of.Pinatas
@Plethora.of.Pinatas 6 месяцев назад
They like to steal jeeps too. Towing company stole my sisters mustang and hid it for a year before admitting to having it.
@MonkeyJedi99
@MonkeyJedi99 6 месяцев назад
I would be tempted to get door magnets for my next car that read, "My last car was stolen by the [town] police."
@dpcrn
@dpcrn 6 месяцев назад
I had a similar situation. I was driving a company car almost exclusively, so I loaned my car to my nephew, who drove it about 3-4 times per month. He only drove it on the days that he went out and his Camaro wouldn’t start. So during one of those times when it started every day for a couple of weeks, mine got towed. Councilman who turned it in said the car was obviously not drivable because it had stayed out in the street for two weeks. So I went up to the impound lot, paid them the $350, and drove it home. Neither the councilman, nor the police could understand that they had committed Grandtheft auto. We have this stupid law that says if a car is legally parked in a public place for 72 hours it can be towed. Including directly in front of your house, and your own driveway.
@xsleep1
@xsleep1 6 месяцев назад
So, how long was it sitting on the street before they towed it?
@tomjackson4374
@tomjackson4374 6 месяцев назад
Let me understand this if I can: a man brings in his classic car, and usually these cars are more than just property, they are loved, and tells the shop to paint it. He pays for the paint job. But somehow the shop owner, who has failed to do the job correctly, decides that not only does he get to pocket the money for the job, but he gets to keep the car too. I can't think of any set of facts that would justify this double theft but a court of rational judges decided this was lawful. Thank God the Supreme Court reversed this obvious injustice. So the man is awarded a substantial amount of money but his next problem is getting paid and I hope he does. But what about the car? If the car is stolen, which is what I would call it, does he get the car back? On this show we have seen cars that have been missing for years and gone through several hands still get returned to the original owner. He should get his car and the money, just like the shop owner intended he would do.
@robertsmith2956
@robertsmith2956 6 месяцев назад
That is what I think. Is the money in addition to the car he gets back? I can believe the worker only wanting to pay $3K, he knows what a bad paint job it has.
@shadowninja6689
@shadowninja6689 6 месяцев назад
Forget the fines/etc. the shop should owe him, the shop owner should be arrested and sitting in jail for grand theft, because that's exactly what would happen if any random person stole a car parked on the side of the street and tried to sell it to someone else.
@tomsmith8515
@tomsmith8515 6 месяцев назад
Steve in new zealand we have a but of law that lets you claim a judgement from the person’s assets
@davidjames5727
@davidjames5727 6 месяцев назад
@@robertsmith2956 He was probably the painter !!
@jaygozer3883
@jaygozer3883 6 месяцев назад
He totally should take the money and go buy another car that's not a mustang. Cuz they are bad.
@PhilFry-gj6xq
@PhilFry-gj6xq 6 месяцев назад
I worked for an independent repair shop years ago. The owner used to play these games if anyone complained. Guy was a total criminal. After he was sued the 2nd time I had to get outta there. Just bad karma and it caught up with him later. He lost everything and never recovered.
@your_royal_highness
@your_royal_highness 6 месяцев назад
Shop owner could get hurt, depending on who he ripped off
@HariSeldon913
@HariSeldon913 6 месяцев назад
"What do you mean this car belongs to John Wick?" "Yeah, and we messed up his dog too!"
@rhetorical1488
@rhetorical1488 6 месяцев назад
people fall down stairs all the time😉
@markelliott7917
@markelliott7917 6 месяцев назад
So if anything is left for 48 hours i can take it with the abandonment process? Hmmmm ….
@robyee3325
@robyee3325 6 месяцев назад
He probably has friends in the sheriffs office
@Charagrin
@Charagrin 6 месяцев назад
Probably not. For some reason we let Criminals convince us hurting them was wrong. Nice thought though.
@JohnSmith-zp4pc
@JohnSmith-zp4pc 6 месяцев назад
It's called stealing, and who would go get work done at his shop now. He can't be trusted
@3sparewashers-lg3gf
@3sparewashers-lg3gf 6 месяцев назад
This is why I do all my own work.
@danielmarek4609
@danielmarek4609 6 месяцев назад
A friend of mine years ago was having a car restored. It was a 1968 Shelby GT500KR convertible. He had extensive records on the parts he supplied, a ton of photos, as well as extensive paperwork between him and the shop. He even knew the owner (or so he thought). As the work progressed the shop suddenly demanded a lot more money. Keep in mind the car itself was rust free, no accidents, etc., just strip it down to bare metal and repaint it and reassemble it. It took two years in court. My friend prevailed. The judge complimented my friend on his paperwork. It also turned out the shop had the car "sold" to two different people, even though he didn't own it. The shop tried putting a lean on the title and then take ownership. He was told by the judge he had two weeks to return the car, as is, as well as all the parts on the list. If one part was missing, he would be charged with theft, for each part. My friend had owned the car for decades but the whole two years soured him on it. He even offered to sell it to me, but I had to pass. He sold it to someone else he knew for fair market value at the time in the shape it was in, disassembled. It was put back together and ended up being a taken to Shelby SAAC shows, was judged Gold. It's been resold a few times. The car was one of the few 68 convertible Shelby's that year that were painted Yellow and was the one that was "missing" for a long time. We all knew where it was all the time we just kept our mouths shut. The shop owner who tried to steal the car went bankrupt right after my friend prevailed.
@Seasniffer69
@Seasniffer69 6 месяцев назад
The unfortunate thing is all it did was dissolve his LLc and he immediately opened a new shop with a new LLc
@JoeGarrity
@JoeGarrity 6 месяцев назад
That car is priceless to a lot of Ponyheads.
@halbouma6720
@halbouma6720 6 месяцев назад
Granted, my car isn't anywhere unique and valuable like that but I have a 1993 Ford Probe SE with just 8500 miles in almost pristine condition. You're making me worried to bring it to a shop now lol.
@ztoob8898
@ztoob8898 6 месяцев назад
How in the name of all that's holy did the shop owner ever prevail in the court of appeals? Unbelievable.
@davidleavitt3804
@davidleavitt3804 6 месяцев назад
Payoff's
@lleavell92630
@lleavell92630 6 месяцев назад
The paint shop should be guilty of theft and be charged with same for this shameful shenanigan.
@raymondpetrovits2336
@raymondpetrovits2336 6 месяцев назад
I belong to a classic Mopar club. Some of our members are very wealthy. One member sent out his Superbird to be painted and again after more than 2 years the car was never finished or painted plus the auto body shop was going out of business. He had to sue to get his own car back, unfinished and lost the up front money. People are scum.
@LatitudeSky
@LatitudeSky 6 месяцев назад
What makes no sense to me is how a shop can expect to get away with screwing over someone with such deep pockets that they WILL fight every step of the way. I can imagine doing that to a little old lady who can't hire a lawyer. But somebody who has a $100,000 car as a plaything probably has more money than sense and can afford all the lawyers. Those are not people to trivially piss off.
@calebfielding6352
@calebfielding6352 6 месяцев назад
I notice the supreme court of virginia said the expert judge was wrong, but the amatuer juries were right. Dont worry the expert that made worse decisions than a jury of amatuers is still a judge, making many more brialliant decisions.
@genespell4340
@genespell4340 6 месяцев назад
The court of appeals cases are usually heard by three judges.
@calebfielding6352
@calebfielding6352 6 месяцев назад
@@genespell4340so your saying 3 experts with all their education and experience did worse than 12 amatuer jurors. Sounds about right.
@kyosokutai
@kyosokutai 6 месяцев назад
The only distinction between professionals and amateurs is one gets paid to do the job. It is no bearing on their competency.
@AbcDef-iq4no
@AbcDef-iq4no 6 месяцев назад
A number of years ago I took my 280ZX to a shop for an engine rebuild. I was given a verbal estimate it would take 10-14 days. When 14 days came around I started calling and kept getting the runaround. A week later I showed up with another engine rebuild shop's owner and we loaded my then partially torn down engine up and towed my car to their shop. The original shop threatened to take me to court for the time he spent working on the partial teardown of the engine. I said go ahead and sue me. I never heard from him again, and the second shop did a great job of rebuilding that engine.
@odbo_One
@odbo_One 6 месяцев назад
I had 1979 280 ZX, I had the in the shop for restore and restore was 80% paid, I told the shop manager that my father will pay for the final bill and pick it up once completed. When I came back from deployment, the car was gone. My dad never got a call or letters. I sued and lost. The manager and owner said they made many attempts to contact my father. My father is loyal and honest, never once I've heard him do wrong. They tried to make him look bad. This whole thing is a scam because the car sold to the owners nephew and to this day I see him and the car at car shows.
@SpotTheBorgCat
@SpotTheBorgCat 6 месяцев назад
@@odbo_One That sucks.
@ostrich67
@ostrich67 6 месяцев назад
@@odbo_One By Federal law, a serving member of the US military's property can not be lien sold for unpaid storage fees. They could be fined a huge amount for doing so.
@ShaggyRogers1
@ShaggyRogers1 20 дней назад
@@ostrich67 You can't repossess or lien sale a Military personnel's property while they were on deployment. This is why a lot of auto dealers and mortgage brokers don't like dealing with active duty military without incredibly high interest rates and fees, since they can't try to start legal action about any property until the service members gets back. If that guy was telling the truth about everything, including suing and losing, then it was because he didn't hire a lawyer that is familiar with the regulations surrounding active duty military.
@mikefigurny
@mikefigurny 6 месяцев назад
This is how a guy stole a 1969 boss 429 from my dad and the judge just gave the guy the car because he was part of the hood ole boys club. Now the car is worth 400k
@drewschumann1
@drewschumann1 6 месяцев назад
The 99% of judges that are garbage make the 1% that aren't look bad
@justicedemocrat9357
@justicedemocrat9357 6 месяцев назад
Did your daddy cry?
@NyangoStarAmerica
@NyangoStarAmerica 6 месяцев назад
Most judges are corrupt beyond measure.
@herbertbrown119
@herbertbrown119 6 месяцев назад
I would just have to hope they didn’t catch me burning that car
@mcasteel2112
@mcasteel2112 6 месяцев назад
​@@justicedemocrat9357 and next month you celebrate your 10th birthday.
@BigSkidMedia
@BigSkidMedia 6 месяцев назад
Sucks that a repeat customer was given bad service then tried to steal the vehicle.
@tony_25or6to4
@tony_25or6to4 6 месяцев назад
It's sad. If the shop had fixed the first paint job, that customer would still be a customer because the shop made it right.
@andrewkent650
@andrewkent650 6 месяцев назад
I remember once taking my car to a local shop to get it's oil changed, decided to wait at the local mall rather than go home. After I arrived at the mall, I watched my car drive into the car park, he ran over a gutter and was smoking in my car. I confronted the guy, phone recording in my pocket. I ended up getting the shop to, at their expense, replace my shocks, do a wheel balance and also pay for a detail.
@RoseNZieg
@RoseNZieg 6 месяцев назад
I know people who went to change their addresses at the dmv. the dmv still sent their mails to the old addresses. bureaucracy and guaranteed salary are the most inducers of bad employees.
@quantumleaper
@quantumleaper 6 месяцев назад
I have seen worse in Large companies, an example was when my Dad died, it took Ma Bell, 17 years to switch the account over to my Mom's name.
@mikecrawford1247
@mikecrawford1247 6 месяцев назад
That’s why my mom went to using a P.O. Box when I grew up as my parents moved as when I grew up as are family grew or their pay got better and I followed suit when I went to college
@davepirtle9790
@davepirtle9790 6 месяцев назад
People may be under the impression the DMV consolidates a person with a driver's license with vehicles they own But for addresses it's 2 separate requests one for the drivers license and one for all owned vehicles.
@michaelandreo8450
@michaelandreo8450 6 месяцев назад
And suddenly I remember why I'm so paranoid about going to mechanics.
@ygrittesnow1701
@ygrittesnow1701 6 месяцев назад
I am curious. When a judicial body makes such an obvious and egregious error in judgement, what corrective steps are taken to ensure the judge and or body is on notice for the error? It seems to me that our courts, appeals and circuit courts are overly burdened by serious errors that shouldn't be happening.
@zacharyhenderson2902
@zacharyhenderson2902 6 месяцев назад
Well, that depends what you call a serious error. There's a huge difference between a serious, egregious action and a difference of opinion. But generally judges can be sanctioned or impeached
@ygrittesnow1701
@ygrittesnow1701 6 месяцев назад
@@zacharyhenderson2902 If I listen to the video correctly. Steve said that the rulings where factually wrong by the appellate. Why did they reverse. On what basis did they reach their conclusions if the facts were wrong? And what is the corrective process for ensuring this error doesn't occur again. I mean if we do something wrong either at work or criminally there are corrective steps to put one on notice and to punish such actions.
@Abettorman
@Abettorman 6 месяцев назад
How did the Appellate Court find that the procedure was properly followed if no notice of revocation of permission was sent to the original owner?
@JohnDrummondVA
@JohnDrummondVA 6 месяцев назад
Ha! I mentioned Nick earlier at lunch and here he is being cited on Lehto's Law. Small world, with occasional synchronicity.
@med1273
@med1273 6 месяцев назад
i have a 1966 2dr sedan Fairlane for the past 52 years garage kept it's treated as my child i am 78 years old, the older i get the less a life sentence means , shop owners read between these lines
@JoeGarrity
@JoeGarrity 6 месяцев назад
I still have my 67 Camaro convertible Rally Sport , my first car, bought in 1975 for $500. because the points were melted. $3. and 42 cents later it ran like a new motor. You got me by one year.
@saddestchord7622
@saddestchord7622 6 месяцев назад
I'm a musician and years ago to help support myself, I filed mechanic's liens for typically small auto shops that didn't had neither the time nor desire to deal with the certified mail and all that stuff. You'd be surprised how many crooked shop owners are willing to use these laws to try to steal a cool car. Most of the cases I dealt with were honest abandonment cases. That does happen a lot. Anyway, in my state (at least back then), under these circumstances a car could be sold by an autoshop with no paperwork, and the law said that they could only sell it for what they had in it (materials and labor only, no storage fees unless they were a licensed storage facility, ie tow operator).
@Baughbe
@Baughbe 6 месяцев назад
The shop painted it twice, and still looked so bad it still needed to be done again? And then the shop owner decided to steal it... Sounds like he was hoping to mess it up enough to talk the guy into selling it but when he instead insisted on redoing the work the shop guy decided on a different, and illegal tactic. I'd like to know what shop just to make sure I never take a car there under any circumstance.
@JoeGarrity
@JoeGarrity 6 месяцев назад
Probably just needed wet sand and buff.
@halbouma6720
@halbouma6720 6 месяцев назад
Or I'm thinking the guy did shoddy work or got into problems paying their bills for why they took this route and gave the car to the person they owed money too.
@chriscordray8572
@chriscordray8572 6 месяцев назад
Body shops don't drive the cars off the lot. It goes by tow truck. But theft is theft. It may take years to do a body restoration. And it's up to owner of the vehicle to be satisfied with the final work. And must be signed off before being payed completely.
@ianbelletti6241
@ianbelletti6241 6 месяцев назад
I was on a jury for a civil trial and I can say that Lehto is right about the jury being the finder of fact. The civil trial I was a juror for we found that some of the medical costs were clearly attributed to the accident but the rest we were hard pressed to find a direct enough connection as time was spent showing that they were typical for the sport the person's kids were in. The whole case ended up just being a question of which expenses were connected to the accident.
@halbouma6720
@halbouma6720 6 месяцев назад
Yeah, at least the jury properly determined who the con artist was in this case.
@ianbelletti6241
@ianbelletti6241 6 месяцев назад
@@halbouma6720 the case I mentioned, I cannot say it was a clear case of someone being a con artist and more of a dispute over which medical bills were legitimately connected to the accident. Sometimes it's just a matter of perception and being able to justify why that perception is valid. The case I was a juror for I could see the possibility that there was a case to be made that if not wholely connected to the accident, that the accident exacerbated the frequency of visits. However, they chose to only try to convince us that the bills connected to the sport were connected to the accident. So we ended up giving them the costs of the first bills plus the cost of the sport physical but because the doctor obviously cleared the children for the sport, the rest of the bills were considered sport related.
@abovethecloudsmedia1002
@abovethecloudsmedia1002 6 месяцев назад
Same thing happened to my late dad who passed in 2016. He left a 1910s with a painter in upstate NY then when he went to get it the guy said he junked it. My dad’s only recourse was asking the police to put an APB on the VIN which btw was only like 6 digits showing how old the vehicle was. I think it was a Buick with suicide doors. Unfortunately my stepmother had already discarded the title when I asked her about it so all I have is a nice photo of the vehicle. It was really nice and I’m sure someone is driving around with that stolen antique vehicle.
@brokebuilt4827
@brokebuilt4827 6 месяцев назад
The ultimate injustice will come when the shop refuses to pay the court order and files for bankruptcy. Reopens a few months to a year later under a new llc
@rags707
@rags707 6 месяцев назад
Steve, why doesn't the man get his car back? It would seem to me that since the shop owner converted the car wrongfully he was therefore unable to provide clear title and the original owner should get it back, the sale to the shop employee or any subsequent sales not withstanding.
@badram0204
@badram0204 6 месяцев назад
The shop owner has his phone number, its car theft.
@nextbizzy
@nextbizzy 6 месяцев назад
Love this channel. Really helps me understand our legal system on another level.
@walmartdog1142
@walmartdog1142 6 месяцев назад
Twenty plus years ago, I was working for a used car dealer in Southern Indiana. A couple of girls driving an old Camaro wanted to test drive a Jeep. They left the Camaro with us, and took off with the Jeep. By closing time, the Jeep had not returned. We told the police. Police in Gulfport Mississippi found the Jeep on the beach and arrested the girls. I went to Gulfport with a deputy sheriff and drove back the Jeep, the deputy brought back the girls. I never did hear what happened to the girls.
@dsloop3907
@dsloop3907 6 месяцев назад
Have a friend that went thru the same thing, during Vietnam war. I also bought a truck that had been left at a shop for over a year, abandoned, for 150 dollars, clear title and all. It was a pos.
@sheepishmclemmingston5550
@sheepishmclemmingston5550 6 месяцев назад
Getting SERIOUSLY tired of hearing about the mishandling of justice by lower courts nowadays. Thinking that series of courts needs an entire ROUTING of those who are seated and employed by them. ENTIRELY gutted is likely the due course of action
@Revkor
@Revkor 6 месяцев назад
well the garage guys rep is shot
@califdad4
@califdad4 6 месяцев назад
My mechanic had my 67 Imperial for several months, he new I wasn't in a hurry and he's very busy. Had no issues getting it back
@shorttimer874
@shorttimer874 6 месяцев назад
Something else to be considered, and probably little known outside of storage companies near military bases, is that a serving member of the US's property can not be iien sold for unpaid storage fees. Originally this would only be in effect when stationed overseas, but now covers them if still in the US as well. This includes their car. Huge Federal fine. The military will not respond to requests for information on whether the person is still serving or what their current mailing address is, unless you are a financial company for which the government has a web page but only if you have the social security number, which is something a normal storage facility or impounding tow company would not have.
@justicedemocrat9357
@justicedemocrat9357 6 месяцев назад
OMG I don't care.
@TheAechBomb
@TheAechBomb 6 месяцев назад
​@@justicedemocrat9357then why read it? move on.
@davidleavitt3804
@davidleavitt3804 6 месяцев назад
At least that's one thing the federal government has done for them.Not a good track record though.
@Headcase650
@Headcase650 6 месяцев назад
Okay the guy gets his compensatory damages but where is the car? He should get his car back!
@justicedemocrat9357
@justicedemocrat9357 6 месяцев назад
His car is at my house.
@trashcatlinol
@trashcatlinol 6 месяцев назад
....I asked two courthouses about who to talk to about an abandoned vehicle. We bought a house, and were told they were coming back to get the car two years ago. Now I got a lead for who talk to. Thanks for the info.
@blackmanops3749
@blackmanops3749 6 месяцев назад
Read your state's statute on abandoned vehicles. Can also ask the local cops and sheriff's on how your jurisdiction typically processes such situations. Sometimes if you get a knowledgeable DMV person might help, but that's a long shot unless you're in a small town.
@donwyoming1936
@donwyoming1936 6 месяцев назад
I took my 93 Ranger in to have dye added to the oil to see if there was a leak or an engine issue. I go back the next day, they can't find my truck. Hours go by. Apparently they took my truck on a parts run, and it broke down. It's sitting on the side of I-95 in a different state! Took them a week to return my truck. I did get a nice apology. They put 600 miles on my truck. I was told the battery died, and that's why they abandoned my truck. I looked. Same Sears battery I had bought two years earlier. Never did get a straight story out of them.
@jimmybutler1379
@jimmybutler1379 6 месяцев назад
LACK OF LEGAL PAPER WORK EVEN WITH DMV OF OWNERSHIP !...
@JayAdams-ml5jf
@JayAdams-ml5jf 6 месяцев назад
Yeah, sounds like the shop was hinky to me.
@maxspeed57
@maxspeed57 6 месяцев назад
Is "hinky" a synonym for criminal?
@JayAdams-ml5jf
@JayAdams-ml5jf 6 месяцев назад
@@maxspeed57 Yup.
@chrismn601
@chrismn601 6 месяцев назад
“I don't want you guys using words with no meaning. I'm taking the stairs!”
@davidleavitt3804
@davidleavitt3804 6 месяцев назад
@@chrismn601Tommy Lee Jones character in "The Fugitive"
@yaqbulyakkerbat4190
@yaqbulyakkerbat4190 6 месяцев назад
Hope that owner loses his shop. This was blatant theft
@toddreiter3270
@toddreiter3270 6 месяцев назад
Steve I like your "pizza is not a crime" bumper sticker. I am actually eating deep dish pizza rite now
@polarpress2734
@polarpress2734 6 месяцев назад
Thank you Steve. This is quite the interesting article.
@mistered9435
@mistered9435 6 месяцев назад
There is a local, independent repair shop in my small city that has been stealing customers’ cars, through bogus mechanic’s liens for nearly two decades. The owner is well-known for doing it, but he, somehow, still gets plenty of business. He usually “steals” classic muscle cars, but has been known to grossly underquote repairs on more mundane vehicles, then hits the customer with an astronomically high final bill that he knows the customer won’t or can’t pay. He places a lien on the vehicle, eventually owns it, and then sells it. He tried to “steal” a 1970 Plymouth Cuda that was brought to his shop immediately after the car owner had the ‘Cuda painted at a local restoration shop. The ‘Cuda sat outside in the weather, at the repair shop for about 2 or 3 years, while the court case was running its course. He got his car back, but it now had some body damage, scratches, and new problems from sitting outside.
@M1903a4
@M1903a4 6 месяцев назад
Sale or gift, you have to sign the title in Virginia. Even if he had legally claimed it he would have to get the title from the DMV and sign it over to his employee/co-conspirator. As a Virginian I rather enjoy hear the State using the words "under common law" in their decision. A surprising number of legal issues are not addressed by code or statute here in the Commonwealth, but rather are a matter of common law precedents. A legacy of having been an English colony.
@dennisberman4640
@dennisberman4640 6 месяцев назад
Ben - Left of Steve's left bicep.
@stuartbuckley6113
@stuartbuckley6113 6 месяцев назад
This is why I never take my antique car to a repair shop. I fix EVERYTHING on my car myself, including custom work.
@hbarcat
@hbarcat 6 месяцев назад
You do your own automotive painting? Thats great if you have a fully equipped automotive paint shop plus the years of experience necessary to achieve a high-quality finish to a valuable collectable car. But ordinary car owners don't have any of that and need to hire professionals.
@catman19
@catman19 6 месяцев назад
@@hbarcat you dont need a paint booth,,i've painted cars in my driveway that turned out well
@barto6577
@barto6577 6 месяцев назад
@@hbarcat A "High Quality Finish" on a "collector" car is NOT factory (unless it's a Rolls or similar). All factory cars of the "60's-70's have SOME level of "orange peel" in the paint. It's an artifact of the high speed paint process in the factory.
@JoeGarrity
@JoeGarrity 6 месяцев назад
@@barto6577They were 10 coats of lacquer (or more) and had to be wet blocked and buffed to look like glass.
@JoeGarrity
@JoeGarrity 6 месяцев назад
@@catman19I've pulled out love bugs with tweezers , moths are the worst with powdery wings. Just wet sand and buff and nobody will know!
@GTIFabric
@GTIFabric 6 месяцев назад
A shady body shop? I am stunned!
@blowfishes
@blowfishes 6 месяцев назад
In the UK a family member had a classic car - in need of a lot of work on the engine to make roadworthy - stored in a rented garage. They didn’t need to get anything from the garage for a couple of years, but naturally kept up with the garage rent. However, when they were in a position to get the car fixed up they discovered the car had been stolen. They followed the law in reporting the theft (it was not insured as declared SORN - off the public road), and it was another year before the car was seen on the road. It went to Court to argue ownership, the guy had a hand written piece of plain paper as his “receipt” and had paid a bit of money getting the car restored. Even though the car had been stolen, this guy claimed he purchased it in good faith and the Judge deem the car was worth about £800 at the time it was stolen and so let the guy take full ownership of the vehicle and pay £800 minus a portion of his legal costs to my family member. The number plate alone had been worth £3000 but that was dismissed because it hadn’t been retained on a SORN vehicle each year. To this day they firmly believe the guy who won the vehicle in Court was the one who stole it as he apparently had family who lived near to where the garage was located.
@JustATakit
@JustATakit 6 месяцев назад
Could the winner of the case get attorney's fee's paid?
@brianr8581
@brianr8581 6 месяцев назад
Something similar happened to me, I paid a local guy to paint a pickup. He told me he hadn't been feeling good. Unfortunately he never got the chance to start on it before he passed away. Family immediately took the property over. I never got the vehicle or my 3k down payment back. I should have sued them.
@wompastompa3692
@wompastompa3692 6 месяцев назад
How do we stop Ross? He can't keep getting away with this.
@justicedemocrat9357
@justicedemocrat9357 6 месяцев назад
Have you tried using a gun?
@thehellyousay
@thehellyousay 6 месяцев назад
@@justicedemocrat9357 he shoots back. deer don't shoot back. bears don't shoot back. he shoots ba-a-a-ack! *curls up into foetal ball of entitlement*
@user-il6js4vi8k
@user-il6js4vi8k 6 месяцев назад
I enjoyed the explanation of the process involved in the court
@jeffeverest1
@jeffeverest1 6 месяцев назад
I bought my car at a police auction. It had been abandoned outside a mechanic shop. Towed it home and fixed it. Had to go through the process of getting a title and having the car inspected. Wasn't too bad and I'd do it again.
@TheAechBomb
@TheAechBomb 6 месяцев назад
how does one participate in a police auction?
@LisaF-nu5wq
@LisaF-nu5wq 6 месяцев назад
Glad the owner got his car back.
@kwils6685
@kwils6685 6 месяцев назад
Did he get his car back? I didn't hear that his vehicle was returned, just that he got a $78,000 award.
@markjackson1989
@markjackson1989 6 месяцев назад
​@kwils6685 I'm wondering the same thing. No mention of the vehicle being returned.
@82ndAbnVet
@82ndAbnVet 6 месяцев назад
Seems to me that he can now report the car as stolen and when/if it's found, the police could return it and the new owner should sue the repair shop.
@anthonydurbin7395
@anthonydurbin7395 6 месяцев назад
My question is who ended up with the car was it returned to the original owner as well as judgement or are they not allowed to turn around the sale as well, for improper procedure used to gain ownership
@josephkomnick1036
@josephkomnick1036 2 месяца назад
I went through a similar scenario. I tried to have my 1980 Corvette restored. The shop owner said he could do everything and it would take 6 to 8 weeks. We agreed on a price and I said go ahead. Then, about every 2 weeks, something would come up and the price increased, but the timeframe never changed. After he adjusted the price twice I said I agreed to that price, but that was my cap. After 7 months I went and asked where we stood. He gave me an invoice for an additional $6,000 over what we agreed to, and the car still wasn't finished. He claimed he'd gone too deep to turn back and just started adding things without even calling me. It took me 6 years in court to resolve it, and the judge basically split it down the middle. We couldn't even bring up the fact that he'd been to court 18 times prior, with around half of those times being him trying to claim an "abandoned" vehicle. I'm sure he expected the same out of me. He's no longer in business now though, unless he just changed the name. One person can make a difference, it just may cost you almost everything you've got.
@dwaynejordan5898
@dwaynejordan5898 6 месяцев назад
48hours? If i parked at a hotel and 2 days later my car can be claimed?
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 6 месяцев назад
if you weren't renting a room at the hotel, it's possible.
@HariSeldon913
@HariSeldon913 6 месяцев назад
If you just left it there and weren't staying at the hotel, yes. If you booked a room or paid to park it there (hotels near airports do this), then you have a contract preventing it.
@RoseKindred
@RoseKindred 6 месяцев назад
Depends on where you live. Not in my county but in the next one, yes. If the business calls the police, they chalk the wheel. If the chalk does not move in 24 hours the businesses are allowed to remove it. A week later they can start to "claim" and that is about a 30-45 day process here.
@OnceShy_TwiceBitten
@OnceShy_TwiceBitten 6 месяцев назад
Towed, but not claimed lmfao@@kenbrown2808
@JoeGarrity
@JoeGarrity 6 месяцев назад
Removed from private property and shop laws are different or there would be no cars left on the road.
@billbammerlin4666
@billbammerlin4666 6 месяцев назад
Lot of shops like this one out there.
@raybrensike42
@raybrensike42 6 месяцев назад
Thanks Steve. Enjoyed the interaction on the live sidebar.
@SpankysHotRodsandCustoms
@SpankysHotRodsandCustoms 6 месяцев назад
As a custom car shop owner this hits home. Always 2 sides to any story like you said. I could have easily been handled differently but I believe someone wanted to steal a car. Neat stuff. Always enjoy your stories. Btw love the Cobra build. -Spanky
@cma9042
@cma9042 6 месяцев назад
I own a 1967 Mercury Cougar (dark green/cream interior)....just watch me fight to get my car back! I've owned it since college. My husband has received multiple offers to buy it but he can't sell it because it pre-existed him and is still only in my name.
@ostlandr
@ostlandr 6 месяцев назад
One of my favorite cars!
@sjTHEfirst
@sjTHEfirst 6 месяцев назад
I wonder if this would also apply to something like, I don’t know, a laptop! 😂
@alannitcher5001
@alannitcher5001 6 месяцев назад
Yes
@JoeGarrity
@JoeGarrity 6 месяцев назад
No, that would be Russian disinformation.
@chriskleinschmidt5542
@chriskleinschmidt5542 6 месяцев назад
Great video. If I may make a suggestion you got to give the gentleman that's 4/0 with the submissions. One of your legendary garments from the off camera rack or a signed copy of one of your books. I think your statement that this gentleman has his finger on the pulse of this channel is spot on. Steve you're a legend and my guy Ross awesome 👍
@johnmyles65
@johnmyles65 6 месяцев назад
This isn't really the same theme of the story that I'm shop owner, and I was once sued by somebody about something that broke on their car that I told them was going to break if they didn't get it fixed but they decided not to fix it. So a small claims and while we were telling the judge our perspective Stories the judge decided that the car was old so it was going to break anyway so I wasn't found liable. That's not what I argued at all. What I told the judge was I told him to fix X he decided not to fix X when X broke that's what left him stranded on the side of the road. The judge completely ignored that just decided that the car was old so It was going to break anyway and found in my favor. Once I realized where he was going with the story but was going to rule in my favorite I just shut up, facts didn't matter What mattered was what the judge is perception of the age of the car was. The age of the car had nothing to do with it but in the end I won.
@MichaelAChang
@MichaelAChang 6 месяцев назад
Indeed a verdict can go either way and their respective reasonings can be equally thoughtful.
@opuscat999
@opuscat999 6 месяцев назад
Pizza is not a crime, it is a MIRACLE !!!! 😍😍😍
@aurtisanminer2827
@aurtisanminer2827 6 месяцев назад
The quote at the end was my friend’s graduation quote back in 2002.
@missulu
@missulu 6 месяцев назад
The real question here is what the hell is wrong with the court of appeals!?!
@DanielSmith-pf2mq
@DanielSmith-pf2mq 6 месяцев назад
Steve: "I'm purposely not making real examples because people want to argue." Me: "What if A is both the same and opposite of D?" 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Colechamdiceman
@Colechamdiceman 6 месяцев назад
Upon a verdict for the man with his car blatantly stolen comes in can he press charges for car theft?
@robertmalone3997
@robertmalone3997 6 месяцев назад
When you take your car in to get it work done, you sign a paper of what they’re gonna do and the estimate of the job
@Michigan_Adventures
@Michigan_Adventures 6 месяцев назад
I know a guitar repair shop with a dozen guitars dropped off for repair thirty plus years ago and were never claimed. The shop owner refuses to sell them just in case they come back!
@tonypegler9080
@tonypegler9080 Месяц назад
I was -or still am, involved in a similar situation. My 2022 Hyundai EV has been in and out of the dealership and several visits from Roadside assist due to 12v battery issues which are the subject of an international recall. Anyway one particular morning at the start of May the 12v battery was dead (have replaced 3 times in the last year under warranty). I decided to buy a new battery from roadside assist. After installing it he tested it and said it is not charging, so told him to take it out and I'll have it towed to the dealer. After a cpl days the dealer rang and said they need my permission to do more testing (no mention of a charge for this) so I said OK if you want to. They claimed that despite the recall for this exact same problem, that the cause was parasitic draw by equipment installed in the car. I dropped of my other car for a log book service and picked up and drove home in this car. They send me a bill for $1300 for diagnosis only - there was no fix other than they did a software update as per the recall notice. I paid for the logbook service but told them I wasn't paying for any diagnostic work carried out. They refused to let me pick up the car till I paid the $1300 for the first car. Several weeks later they sent me an email saying that as of July 8th they were going to impose a $50/day parking fee and after 1 month they were going to have the vehicle removed to storage under the Unclaimed Goods Act. They don't realize that I went to the dealership with my spare key and picked it up 7 weeks ago. I still haven't told them I already have it .
@rogerhargrave9952
@rogerhargrave9952 6 месяцев назад
You would think that there would also be severe penalties handed down for the illegal transaction in the alleged sale of the vehicle.? There seemed to be nothing included as to what the State action may have been concerning the undocumented transfer from shop owner to employee.? So where is this auto???
@tfw_no_vampire_gf
@tfw_no_vampire_gf 6 месяцев назад
The Guy who had this done to him should get the car back + money paid to paint the car + the value of the fraud that took place.
@popomomo12
@popomomo12 6 месяцев назад
Mr Lehto, thank you for all of your work. I just found your chrysler turbine car book and i look forward to reading that.
@RyeOnHam
@RyeOnHam 6 месяцев назад
I had a car, "converted", by a shop. They kept putting me off for the repairs and one day the shop was closed and my car was gone, along with all the other cars. Never tracked it down.
@bikkiikun
@bikkiikun 6 месяцев назад
Wouldn't that also be Criminal Fraud and Perjury (lying in an affidavit)?
@scottmoot2969
@scottmoot2969 6 месяцев назад
'Paint Jail' is why my cars had 'Patina' before it was Cool. Drive grin repeat
@nunyabidness674
@nunyabidness674 6 месяцев назад
How this instance comes across to me is the customer continued complaining not because something was wrong, but because they didn't have anyone to go collect the car and store it for an unspecified amount of time while the customer was dealing with other issues. Customer ran out of money and couldn't pay the bill, but rather than be embarrassed about their social status they were intending to make the shop store the car for free. Ran a repair shop for 20+ years. On our work order, at the bottom, was a bit of "fine print" in bright red stating that 1: the work order was an expressed lien against the vehicle, 2: Any time at the shop over 90 days had to be mutually agreed (write a second W.O. and attach it), and 3: That the shop had expressed authority to operate the vehicle. That 3rd part intentionally did not include the words "For the purposes of testing" because my techs still had to drive the car into the repair bay. My insurance wouldn't cover damage to the vehicle if it was just being moved on the lot... So when I had a new guy crush the rear door of a durango on the doorframe of my building, my insurance told me to eff-off. As to seizing customers vehicles, I was required to send the cars to auction, pay the auction fee and hope that the return would cover whatever I was out already on the project. I was the guy who would work on the cars that were barely breathing for the folks who couldn't really afford a replacement. In many cases, I never bothered with claiming ownership. I'd just call the county and have them hauled off as abandoned.
@Derekzparty
@Derekzparty 6 месяцев назад
How was the shop so bad at painting a car? Were they using a paint roller?
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA 6 месяцев назад
They hired Stevie Wonder......
@Fuxy22
@Fuxy22 6 месяцев назад
Just because they followed the procedure doesn't mean they followed the spirit of the law given they had the contact information and phone number of the owner and they never attempted to notify him personally. If we wanted the letter of the law followed we could have just used AI to make the judgement... what are they even getting payed for?
@kr0my
@kr0my 6 месяцев назад
I learned the most about jury's EVER by your description of Jurys determine facts. Does that get conveyed to a jury before a trial?
@RoseNZieg
@RoseNZieg 6 месяцев назад
the appellate court is incompetent. in my opinion, the law may exist but the facts clearly existed too. if the shop owner thought the car owner abandoned his car, why didn't the shop just confirmed it on record with the owner?
@zacharyhenderson2902
@zacharyhenderson2902 6 месяцев назад
The job of the appellate Court isn't to look over the facts of the case. The judges on the Court of appeals most likely just read the statute, believed the body shop owner complied with it, and went from there.
@sped6954
@sped6954 6 месяцев назад
Even if you were to throw everything else out, the one sticking point that I would have as a juror on this case is that the car's owner paid for the job in advance. The shop owner absolutely knew that, and at some point had to have thought to himself that no one is ever going to pay for a car to be repaired , amd then just up and abandon the car, thereby forfeiting every penny invested in the car. No one is ever going to do that. If I was presiding over this case, the penalty would be simple... 1) Return the car to the owner, regardless of what it costs you to get it back. 2) Pay someone else, of the owner's choice of course, to paint the car to the owner's satisfaction, regardless of what it costs you. 3) You get to pay for all his court costs and attorney's fees. 4) I'm going to come up with a ridiculous amount of money for you to pay to the owner, and then I'm going to award him triple damages... A) For his inconvenience and mental distress. B) Just because I can. C) To teach you a lesson. And, D) Just because I can. So Ordered.
@maxwebster7572
@maxwebster7572 4 месяца назад
I did not hear anybody question the value of work. $3k wouldn't cover the cost of paint materials so it would be sketchy for shop owner to sell for less than value of work performed. In my jurisdiction, if the vehicle sells for MORE than value of services the difference goes to the owner. The shop owner selling a car for $3k could lead to another suit for negligence and this is why we run them through an auction.
@bobbyboswell13
@bobbyboswell13 6 месяцев назад
what i dont get is why cant the car owner increase how much he is sueing for to recompense the lawyer fees because the guy appealed? like the shop owner should suffer a penalty for trying to appeal and failing
@JohnDoe-vy5hh
@JohnDoe-vy5hh 6 месяцев назад
I've heard so many stories about shady repair shops.
@nw6gmp
@nw6gmp 6 месяцев назад
The DMV sent a notice by non-registered/certified mail & no return receipt?
@ramjam720
@ramjam720 6 месяцев назад
I hope the word gets out on this dishonest shop owner and he has to close for lack of business.
@christophercripps7639
@christophercripps7639 6 месяцев назад
I once read of a case (criminal) where a critical element of the crime was knowing that the contraband was Schedule I or II narcotics. The government showed that a courier knew that a suitcase contained some sort of contraband but provided not even the tiniest piece of evidence the courier knew the suitcase contained narcotics. The Appellate Court scoured the evidence admitted at trial and couldn’t find anything even a coconspirator saying the courier said “yup this is narco, smack, horse, blow, etc.” (Or evidence the courier knew he’d delivered drugs for the same outfit.) The drug trafficking conviction had to be overturned because the Gov failed to prove a necessary element of knowingly trafficking drugs. I’m sure everyone who testified simply assumed it was obvious … It could’ve been fake Rolexes, stolen diamonds, secret business info, … “We want you to deliver this to XYZ address, don’t open it & you’ll get X$.” Courier: “got it. will do.”
@shannonp1656
@shannonp1656 6 месяцев назад
The title of this video got me so stressed I almost didn't click on it. Too many people don't understand the true value of cars beyond money.
@coldlakealta4043
@coldlakealta4043 6 месяцев назад
the money I spent on my car's restoration was divided in 2 parts - (i) the recoverable value upon sale of the vehicle and (ii) the immense satisfaction of restoring, showing and driving it. This was unrecoverable but was of more value to me than the ultimate sales value of the vehicle. I miss it greatly. Cars have souls.
@shannonp1656
@shannonp1656 6 месяцев назад
@@coldlakealta4043 Absolutely. I have lived with my truck for 25 years. That is years longer than I lived with my parents and my son lived with me. If the time comes that she is gone, I will probably cry.
@jerrybrooks870
@jerrybrooks870 6 месяцев назад
​@@shannonp1656, my truck has been in the family for 53 years. I've had it for 39 of those years. I would have a hard time not becoming extremely violent if someone pulled a stunt like this and stole my truck. My truck is like family to me.
@420gzuz
@420gzuz 6 месяцев назад
the title of this one is strikingly consistent with the facts surrounding my own dilemma
@420gzuz
@420gzuz 6 месяцев назад
crazy, this is highly relevant to my most recent TWO dilemmas with automobiles wrongfully taken from me in completely unrelated incidents!
@briank1671
@briank1671 6 месяцев назад
I took a rear seat for my 1966 Barracuda to a local upholstery shop and just filled out a form of theirs with my information. After several months they stopped answering my calls and when I went in they denied that I ever dropped it off. I was told that without proof I brought it to them I was out of luck.
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