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Arthur Haines discusses several myths of the paleo diet, specifically addressing some of the restrictions of this diet. The Paleo Diet is attempting to mimic the diet of the indigenous (and their ancestors) using contemporary plants and animals. Some of the plants and types of animal foods that are categorically avoided in this diet were in fact eaten by indigenous people around the world (and likely their paleolithic ancestors). This necessitates re-evaluating aspects of this diet, or, at least, being more specific with certain guidelines so that followers of this diet can have better information to assist their dietary choices.
NEW DISCUSSION: I think there are several sources of misunderstanding occurring with this video. Part of that is my fault. So let me explain further. To base our understanding on what paleolithic people consumed from what little we can find in the archeological record will lead to substantial biases, due to the fragmentary knowledge we have. Many plant food remnants will simply not exist today because conditions were not conducive to their persistence. Therefore, I infer types of food that were likely eaten by paleolithic people through examination of indigenous cultures (not always exact species, but similar types of foods). Given that the paleolithic period ended about 20,000 years ago, there existed relatively similar technologies between paleolithic people and more recent, isolated indigenous people (e.g., stone tools, use of fire, containers, fiber arts, hunting weapons). For many foods, if they could be eaten today, they could have been eaten then.
Consider also the both groups of people (isolated indigenous and their paleolithic ancestors) would be utilizing a vast array of foods, given the necessity of procuring sufficient nutrition when primary sources were lacking. Both groups of people would have a very realistic use of plant foods (not one commonly based on dogmatic beliefs). Again, if modern indigenous ate it, it is likely ancestral indigenous ate it. This is especially true given that many plant species pre-date the emergence of anatomically modern humans (ca. 200,000 years ago).
One of the errors I made with this video is using North American examples. Clearly the North American indigenous do not go back much into the paleolithic time. However, this was an educational choice, to show examples that people would be familiar with. Understand that many North American plants have similar types and even extremely similar species in Africa. Using nightshades as an example, contemporary indigenous consumed foliage and fruits of nightshades here in North America and on the African continent. Given the minimal processing (in some cases none) needed for these plant foods, why do people believe that plant species offering edible parts were not consumed by paleolithic people (when the species were present and were consumed by their descendants)? Observations on one continent often have great applicability on another continent (again, not always the exact species, but the kinds of species consumed).
I use two lines of evidence, both with limitations, to create a picture of what paleolithic people consumed: archeological evidence and observations of isolated indigenous people. Certainly, the latter line of evidence has merit, especially considering that the wild foods they consume are closer to a paleolithic diet than what modern people consume (which is almost entirely foods genetically modified through breeding and transgenic methods). Further, their methods of processing and detoxifying plant foods would be limited by similar constraints, based on available raw materials and primitive technologies.
My video is not attacking the actual paleo diet (which we don't fully know what this was). My video is critiquing the common version of the paleo diet that is presented by several authors, elaborated on websites, and discussed by many people who do not research such things. In other words, I'm trying to explain that the common application of the paleo diet likely has several inaccuracies that are not based on any factual data. I'm not trying to disprove the paleo diet, only attempting to correct features of the (in my opinion) warped version. This is not a straw man argument, because I'm aware of the version of the paleo diet I'm criticizing. My video is actually an attempt to bolster our understanding of the paleo diet. I think some people understood my intent and some people did not. Hopefully this discussion will help. Best wishes on your individual and community paths.

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@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 12 лет назад
Thanks for for nice comments. Oats (Avena sativa) has an omega-6/omega-3 ratio of 20:1. There are groups of people who utilized grasses as a major food component and still enjoyed good health. They offset the poor essential fatty-acid ratio of domesticated grains using ocean-caught fish. Best wishes.
@SecretsOfLongevity
@SecretsOfLongevity 12 лет назад
Arthur you're a breath of fresh air, I hope this video gets tons of views!
@melissahouse1296
@melissahouse1296 9 лет назад
So good to hear simple sense. Within this info there is also *your* body & what it digests well & what it doesn't, regardless of any diet dogma.
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 12 лет назад
Archeological studies I'm aware of show a different pattern than you present here: once hunter/gatherers began to cultivate foods, the (1) decreased in size (2) suffered a higher incidence of dental caries, and (3) suffered more infections that were manifested as lesions on the bones. The story is the same here (North America) and there (Old World). Reliance on domesticated plants brought changes in health, stature, and living systems.
@ytacct7959
@ytacct7959 12 лет назад
I love that I can hear and see flies buzzing by on the video. It's especially cool listening on headphones.
@SCROGY
@SCROGY 11 лет назад
Did you know: General Mills used to have a statement on the sides of their cereal boxes that said: "The Heart and Stroke Foundation recommends Cheerios as a part of a healthy breakfast. General Mills donates money to the Heart and Stroke Foundation. This is not an endorsement". YES IT IS!!! It is a CONFLICT OF INTEREST. You couldn't find a more legit example of a conflict of interest! Interestingly this has been taken off their ceral boxes now. If you don't think the agri industry .....
@feralkevin
@feralkevin 12 лет назад
Right on, Arthur, this needed to be said. Good job. I know someone who was feeding their kids paleo and allowed them to eat bananas and not brown rice. Bananas! That's also an amazing omega ratio on that wild rice. Might you know what it is for wild oats?
@Zerafinel
@Zerafinel 12 лет назад
You're my hero Arthur. You've broadened my knowledge and horizon for sure. I'm glad I already knew about the salt. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge, I owe a lot of the success of my recent journeys to you.
@stephaniedieppa5569
@stephaniedieppa5569 8 лет назад
Love the video Arthur. Wild foods are the best, I wish that I knew about this so long ago! I hate that I've been so domesticated for so long and never even thought to question it. Thanks for sharing this information with the world!
@JoseLeonMusica
@JoseLeonMusica 3 года назад
fascinating and answers so many questions and I had in my mind. So enlightening (along with other talks by Arthur Haines) that I often had to pause vid just to let the depth and sense of the information sink in, it is so meaningful. Arthur's expertise is so genuine and comes from living it . It is so much more than just about food. Thank you Arthur! More please!
@SecretsOfLongevity
@SecretsOfLongevity 12 лет назад
I love Green Deane! Although he hasn't been posting many videos lately. His way of categorizing plants properly with their identification is great!
@standingbear39
@standingbear39 12 лет назад
Great video, thanks for the insight into native foods, and clearing up some myths.
@mikeilabiddle1757
@mikeilabiddle1757 8 лет назад
It's a shame so many seem to be misinterpreting this video, but I have found that there's nothing quite like a discussion about food and diet to bring out the nitpicky worst in people. Personally I don't follow a particular diet, but am working to simply remove processed foods with a long term goal of eventually producing and foraging the bulk of my diet. I think if we all just removed the processed foods and then listened to our bodies as to what natural foods we felt best eating (which will change constantly depending on numerous factors) then a lot of this bickering over the optimal diet would cease to exist. It's a nice dream anyway :) Thanks for the great info and I'll definitely be subscribing!
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 11 лет назад
Dear Steve, evidence of grain consumption actually goes back 105,000 years ago (to Homo sapiens neanderthalensis). Anthropologists often use the methods and activities of modern indigenous to infer what paleo humans did. I used Native American examples to provide familiar examples that people could connect with. Everything that was stated for Native Americans is true of Native Africans, Native Europeans, etc. Thank you for watching.
@zurieljoshua
@zurieljoshua 12 лет назад
Arthur, do you process your rice to minimize anti-nutrients, such as soaking? Was this practiced anywhere among indigenous peoples? Also, what are your thoughts on legumes? I seem to do great with legumes and consume lots of them. I buy them dry and soak them before cooking. Thanks for being a wellspring of information!
@jawgraphy
@jawgraphy 12 лет назад
Very informative, very fascinating -- thank you! You're an excellent presenter.
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 12 лет назад
cocoyodariver, hello. I understand that indigenous people living in the last few hundred years do not technically meet the critea of people living in the Paleolithic period. However, there are abundant similarities, including having similar types of hunting weapons, foraging tools, cutting/chopping tools, and many types of cooking methods. The point is, it is very likely their diets have tremendous similarity. They are more similar than different. If available, likely both groups ate it.
@ameeliaghareeb
@ameeliaghareeb 11 лет назад
You had me at "any diet that focuses on whole plant and animal foods raised in a conscientious way. " I have spent may years as a conscientious vegetarian, and seen my health and the health of my family improve dramatically once I learned lessons from our travels to the the Greek Islands and started eating simple, whole foods, raised and consumed in ways that demonstrated their value and great contribution the that society. Many thanks.
@KnapperJackCrafty
@KnapperJackCrafty 11 лет назад
Actually, this particular area (wild diet) you discuss is well researched and I gained a lot of knowledge from it, so thanks! The only thing I wish you would discuss as well is COST. The costs in time as well as effort affect the food we eat to a very great extent. This is not only true for the past but also for the present. Highly genetically altered foods are often times the least expensive foods. It's unreasonable to assume we can "rewild" ourselves without first increasing our incomes.
@Reanimator44
@Reanimator44 12 лет назад
I agree with what you said. Those with european ancestry may have had a completely different diet in prehistory than the native americans. May I ask where you got your sources? I'm interrested in learning more about this subject.
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 11 лет назад
Evolvified, though you and I have discussed this at length, I've expanded the description of this video with a discussion of why I chose the examples I did in this video (despite their obvious limitations and inapplicability) for the benefit of other people. Those others who have read your comment might appreciate my comments.
@cwrenntanner
@cwrenntanner 12 лет назад
Arthur, I really enjoyed this video! I have a question about raw animal foods. I currently cook most of my food, but I see value in raw organ meats and occasionally I do eat raw liver from grass fed cows. I am confused about this topic because it seems that most indigenous people cooked meat and so I feel that there must be a lot of wisdom behind this practice; eggs seem to be even more confusing, because of the fat-soluble vitamins present in them. Could you provide some insight? Thanks man!
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 12 лет назад
The reference to Native Americans is to wild communities that lived here before and during the contact by European colonists. They were living very similar to their Paleolithic ancestors. Much of what we know about the "Paleo Diet" actually comes from observations of living hunter-gatherer groups, whose dietary knowledge, preferences, etc., came from paleolithic people. It is very relevant to use historical accounts of Native Americans, especially those who relied little on cultivation.
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 11 лет назад
LifeInMyEyesx3, please read the introduction so you understand why these examples were used. Your comment has some inaccuracies: grain consumption dates to 105,000 years (a relative of Sorghum), legume consumption dates to nearly 60,000 years. Both of these are paleo foods (but not recognized as such by many paleo authors). Paleolithic hominids did not consume dairy (I did not state they did), though several traditional dairy consuming cultures displayed superb health. Best wishes for you.
@Vicolegargoyle
@Vicolegargoyle 12 лет назад
I enjoyed the video, Arthur. I would like to ask for more visual connections, though. by that I mean to show the plant that was burned for salty ash, etc. Thanks for all you do. I'm still always learning (John and I shared japanese knotweed with friends this weekend. It was delicious cooked over the open fire.)
@standeman
@standeman 12 лет назад
very very cool video man! props to you. and thanks for mentioning my ancestors the maliseet! this one is going on my fb page!
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 11 лет назад
@Jason K please read the description of this video. I'm aware Native Americans aren't our ancestors. I used these examples so they would be familiar to people. All these observations pertain to Paleolithic African hominids (and European and Asian). Best wishes.
@Sixrabbbit
@Sixrabbbit 11 лет назад
Hey Arthur. Great work you are doing and thanks for dispelling myths of the paleo fad diet. I have a question concerning seeds and nuts. Many of them have photic acid or phyla tea
11 лет назад
Arthur, I don't want to put you on the spot. But, who are these authors....any hints? Great video by the way.
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 12 лет назад
Diversity one key to health. We eat very few species of plants now, so any potential side-effects (such as calcitriol in nightshades) is compounded by eating too much of it. Indigenous people consumed hundreds of different plant species throughout the year, ingesting many types of nutrients and phytochemicals. Further, the context in which they ate their diet is important (ample fresh air, exposure to sunlight, clean water, etc.). Diversify the diet as much as possible (while being local).
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 11 лет назад
MrOpossumist, please read the introduction so you understand why these examples were used. What we observed on this continent is true (in form) for other continents (including Africa and Asia). Grain consumption dates to 105,000 years (a relative of Sorghum), legume consumption dates to nearly 60,000 years. Nightshades were eaten in the Old World by indigenous and paleolithic people. I realize it appears I missed the point--just chose to use examples I thought people would be familiar with.
@paleolithicgentleman1969
@paleolithicgentleman1969 11 лет назад
to many people, inedible raw. I find green legumes (unripe) to be the safest bet for anyone who's unsure about how they, individually, would react to a given legume or nut. I, personally, found most legumes to have an averse effect (mild swelling and lethargy). When they are consumed still green, the effect doesn't appear to be present. Again, a fantastic video and a wonderful resource. :)
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 12 лет назад
Though many Native Americans did farm (to an extent) in centuries prior to European colonization, most did not possess a complete crop package that allowed them to consume only domesticates. They still relied heavily on hunting, fishing, and foraging. Their initial domesticated crops (e.g., marsh-elder, goosefoot, sunflower) produced high protein, high lipid fruits (for plants) that were, in some ways, superior to grains originating in the Old World. Dietary diversity was still practiced.
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 11 лет назад
paola rossi, I'm not sure I understand your statement. Grains are the fruit of grasses (a grain is technically called a caryopsis). Wild rice (genus Zizania) is a member of the grass family. Therefore, wild rice is a grain. I am not (yet) sure why this caused you to have less of an opinion of the material I presented. Perhaps of interest to you, there are foods called grains that are not, including quinoa (an achene) and amaranth (a pyxis)--these plants belong to different plant families.
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 11 лет назад
Dear 888zzz, Sally Fallon's book is an example introduction into paleo foods. Her book discusses primarily free-range and organically-raised foods (there is some space devoted to wild foods). Most people are familiar with supermarkets, so it makes sense that she focus on foods that can be found there and at Farmer's Markets. However, paleo foods should be about wild and non-cultivated food (as much as possible). Currently, the Weston Price foundation does not focus on such food.
@MrSavethefrogs
@MrSavethefrogs 11 лет назад
Mr. Haines, you provide very significant evidence against these myths. I am a descendent of a Irish immigrant, so i cannot claim lineage to indigenous genetic strains. I am curious if that is relevant for or against this argument?
@maximilianlionman4157
@maximilianlionman4157 7 лет назад
Check out the work of Dr. Weston Price
@Sixrabbbit
@Sixrabbbit 11 лет назад
. iPads are so touchy and the auto correct really messes stuff up. But what about phytic acid and phytates in grains and seeds and nuts? It is said to be important to soak and dehydrate these before eating. But California natives didn't really soak and dehydrate any of their seeds like chia or walnuts. Is it healthy to prepare them as they did by parching and grinding? Or should they be soaked and dehydrated before parching and grinding? Do they even have anti nutrients in detrimental amounts?
@spearthrowin
@spearthrowin 12 лет назад
Hi, I cannot remember the culture but it was a paleoindian tribe described in "paleopathology at the origin of agriculture" which benefited in terms of health outcomes when they practiced agriculture as a supplement to hunting and gathering. At some point they stopped supplementing and began to rely on corn etc and suffered a quite pronounced health decline. I agree with your criticisms of the paleo diet but think it is fair to point out that most of human evolution occured in the old world.
@888zzz
@888zzz 11 лет назад
What are some of your favorite books on nutrition-not foraging? Maybe you could do a video on them.
@KatJaguar1122
@KatJaguar1122 11 лет назад
That does depend on one's definition of indigenous. Just look at the diets of the Irish. We pretty much know their diet from the past 2000 yrs prior to modern times. Primarily Lamb, fish (seafood if near to coast), oats, barley (plenty of low alcohol beer at %1-2), and dairy-a lot of it in the form of cultured dairy and butter, sorrel (a type of sauerkraut was made with it), some root veggies, and many herbs.
@spearthrowin
@spearthrowin 12 лет назад
Hello, Yes that is the usual pattern but this culture was unusual in that as semi-horticulturalists they managed to avoid periods of seasonal shortage by cultivating some crops. As soon as they became reliant on crops they conformed to the usual story of physical decline.I wish I could remeber the cultures name but will recommend the above book in which they were mentioned. I'll leave it there but whish youtube would let me write more!
@888zzz
@888zzz 11 лет назад
Excellent vids. I like your views on nutrition. They are well reasoned and researched. What do you think about Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon? Like her views on nutrition your views are more broadly interpreted than those held by followers of the strict paleo diet.
@Jefferdaughter
@Jefferdaughter 12 лет назад
It is amazing how limited our knowledge is of indigenous peoples, or anyone who lived before electricity was common. Our view of 'the past' - often seen as anytime before our birth! - is cartoonish. Europeans often viewed indigenous people as 'lazy' because they lived so comfortably & abundantly within their environments without the hard labor seen as virtuous. Appreciate the knowledge and clarity of your teaching.
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 11 лет назад
Scrogy, you might appreciate the expanded description I've added. I've commented in several paragraphs why I chose to discuss the items I did and why I used the examples I did. I think you may find it interesting. Your comment is correct, and I'm aware of that, but there is much to be learned about the paleolithic by examining isolated groups (I've provided rationale of this stance in the description of the video). Best wishes.
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 12 лет назад
Oecologeae, greetings. I think you may have misinterpreted my post. No attempt to tell people what they should be eating. However, if you are trying to mimic a diet that was in fact used, you should have accurate information about that diet. Whether or not you need to avoid a specific foods is separate issue. My point is that a paleo diet can followed more closely than people realize, and there is value beyond historical accuracy (nutrient density, beneficial phytochemicals, etc.). Best.
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 11 лет назад
psykosonikwarrior, I am not contending that paleo people ate massive amounts of grains, only that they did eat grain. Many authors categorically state no grains are to be consumed, based on avoiding modern, modified grains. But there exist wild grains that can be a small portion of one's diet, and this would mimic paleolithic ancestor use. I critiquing the blanket statements used by many authors (not the paleo diet in general or the careful researchers out there). Best wishes.
@thelousysloth
@thelousysloth 11 лет назад
I think the best reason for following the paleo diet (temporarily at least) is to change how you look at food. I did it for a while and found that I appreciated the change on my diet. My food tasted better. Probably only because I was challenging myself to eat differently. I lost some weight and developed some new recipes that may well become regulars in my repertoire. Grains and sugars are too easy for most Americans to reach out for when they are puckish. Avoiding them (temporarily) can lead us to eat foods that might be healthier. Personally, I think our ancestors domesticated grains because they ate them already. Just not like we eat them today.
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 12 лет назад
To be sure, some animal foods were eaten uncooked, and there was benefit to this practice. For example, plants and animals sometimes possess some of the same B-complex vitamins. The animals forms are more bio-available, but are more easily damaged with heat (vs. the plant forms, which are more tolerant of heat but not as bio-available). So certain foods would be consumed raw. Liver and adrenal glands are examples, the liver stores many fat-soluble vitamins (it is nature's vitamin pill).
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 12 лет назад
Northern North America and Europe have a remarkable similar flora and fauna, in terms of genera of plants represented and types of animals. We share an ocean and have similar marine foods. Of course, many differences exist, but the type and quality of the foods are much the same. Europeans have suffered much the same in terms of dietary health when there was a major shift to annual grains as a staple. There is documentation of their body's shrinking slightly as well. Wild food is the key.
@joebobmarley2854
@joebobmarley2854 7 лет назад
Good video! Great topic. Do you go barefoot in the forest?
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 11 лет назад
rjp9871, please accept my apologies. I completely missed that you were being sarcastic. I'm accustomed to receiving such responses from certain people and never even thought that you might not be serious. I don't understand why certain organisms are acceptable to eat and others are not (based solely on what kingdom of life they below to). Again, sorry for the misunderstanding.
@1930orb
@1930orb 11 лет назад
Thank you for this kind and thoughtful presentation.
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 11 лет назад
fjriogjergvlk, this is not intended to be rude, but I have done my research, and I hope you will let me explain. There are versions of paleo diet discussed in detail by some book/website authors, where they categorically state nightshades are to be avoided (i.e., they do not state that nightshades should be avoided only by those with autoimmune disorders). Those same authors state that animal fat should be avoided, even though it was certainly consumed. I'm critiquing those authors only.
@Sixrabbbit
@Sixrabbbit 11 лет назад
Also what about eating nettle seeds? They taste good how should I prepare them?
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 11 лет назад
Sixrabbbit, many indigenous groups did soak, sprout, leach, ferment, or roast various nut and seed-like fruits prior to consumption, all of which do reduce phytic acid amounts. Eating small amounts isn't an issue, but when these become a big part of your diet (whether a single kind or collectively man kinds) they form a real source of antinutrition. I consume all nuts, legumes, grains, and seed-like fruits only after soaking, sprouting, or fermenting--practices that maximize nutrition.
@goldernie
@goldernie 11 лет назад
Hi Arthur, I don't think that solely the fact that a certain food was consumed by a native population makes it suitable for a paleo-type diet, the health of those populations compared to the health of other native populations that didn't consume said food also has to be taken into account.
@CBLOVE2856
@CBLOVE2856 12 лет назад
how do you get a diet of 60% wild in North America?
@cwrenntanner
@cwrenntanner 12 лет назад
I am anticipating hunting for the first time this year, I like the idea of eating some of the organ meats raw, but I am concerned about pathogens/diseases with wild animals. For instance, I have heard to be careful to cook thoroughly all rodents because of "HPS." Where the indigenous people concerned with such issues or is this a more recent phenomenon linked to modern human destruction/pollution?
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 12 лет назад
There is some overlap in species, especially those plants that are weedy and found over most of North America. There is a lot of information that can be used in this book for people living in the west. For example, Ancestral Plants describes tapping maple trees and birch trees (you can use the species you have there to do the same thing). Often there are related species that have nearly identical uses. Learn about the group through reading and then apply it to your area. Best wishes.
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 11 лет назад
Dear Sharon, following a paleo diet isn't about fantasizing, its about recognizing foods we have had long exposure to. Stone points for arrows date back 64,000 years, and atlatl darts and hand-thrown spears are even further back in the record. The point is, early humans were not merely scavengers, but highly effective hunters. Humans take the lives of plants, animals, fungi, and bacteria to live. We "murder" plants as well. I agree with your processed food comment. Best wishes to you.
@lllogical
@lllogical 12 лет назад
great video! I have to agree with you. I believe the paleo diet covers many important aspects of an essential diet, however it still lacks some important elements
@ischnura
@ischnura 12 лет назад
Very interesting points :) Thanks for the video!
@TheOmegadusk
@TheOmegadusk 12 лет назад
The problem that most people are probably having is the use of the word paleolithic, which is actually referring to the period of human prehistory roughly 2.6 million years ago to around 10 thousand years ago. I love this video, but that time period is likely causing huge confusion.
@paleolithicgentleman1969
@paleolithicgentleman1969 11 лет назад
Actually, the Paleo diet is not trying to create an exact copy of what Paleolithic man ate (an impossible feat), but use our knowledge of Paleolithic man AND modern tribes AND modern understandings of bodily processes to create an optimal human diet, so we can have the best of both worlds: the natural strength, health and vitality of a tribesperson and the longevity, medical protection and low childhood mortality of a Westerner. All information is valuable and can be factored-in.
@paleolithicgentleman1969
@paleolithicgentleman1969 11 лет назад
Overall, a brilliant video, but, a few points: 1, people today eat MUCH more grain than even many tribes which based their diet on it did. 6-11 servings, each at 80-150g is ridiculous. Could you imagine collecting the amount of grain that goes into TWO of those servings? Let alone the refined nature of even "wholegrain" products when compared to traditional grain-based foods. 2, another important note on fats--
@goldernie
@goldernie 11 лет назад
Furthermore, the purpose of the modern interpretation of the paleo diet (sometimes called Paleo 2.0) is not to eat exactly the same foods that one or more ancient populations ate, but rather to emulate the metabolic milieu of healthy hunter-gathers using modern, currently available food.
@KatJaguar1122
@KatJaguar1122 11 лет назад
Sodium can be consumed in the form of what is already in plants and animal foods. The assumption of some that no ancient persons consumed salt, is likely based on ignorance about natural sources of sodium chloride and salt deposits. I can't help but wonder how you think 'ancient man' was able to survive for so long before modern times getting all the necessary nutritional needs met if they were never more organized and methodical to do anything beyond scavenging.
@goldernie
@goldernie 11 лет назад
This is the rationale behind choosing white rice over whole grain rice for example, or the inclusion of tomatoes, avocados and berries even if fruit is avoided, etc.
@johnqa
@johnqa 12 лет назад
In this case I think it falls into the category of relatively minor tweaks to the paleo diet. Nothing is ever 100% cut and dry. I personally avoid bananas and tomatoes, just from personal experience and researching their origins and historical usage.
@spearthrowin
@spearthrowin 12 лет назад
Hello Arthur, . In addition to the fat in animals comment is that animals appear to have been healthier in prehistory (bigger and in better condition) and that modern and paleolithic hunter-gatherers target fatter animals. Lots of what is said by paleo authors is not congruent with anthropologyor arcaeology and seems to be stuck inside gyms and restaurants and myopically focused on obesity.
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 11 лет назад
Sixrabbbit, nettle seeds could be enjoyed as a hot cereal. Soak them overnight (to deactivate phytic acid, an antinutrient) and then cook them until soft. If it were me, I would enjoy those cooked nettle seeds with nuts (such as pecans, walnuts, or hickory nuts) and a dash of maple syrup. Best wishes.
@Oecologeae
@Oecologeae 12 лет назад
"some authors" are the operative words here...opinions vary btwn sources. ie: Nightshades are included on many lists of paleo foods however Robb Wolf suggests people w/ compromised digestion should avoid nightshades. If you have poor digestion, then you should avoid potentitally inflammatory foods. The paleo diet is not a historical reinactment and a huge variety of indigenous diets exist in the world. We can use them as models when we determine our paleo template, or our personal eating plan.
@spearthrowin
@spearthrowin 12 лет назад
Hello, I;m a bit frustrated with the youtube comment limitations, needless to say I have more to write than I will actually be able to. Paleopathology at the origin of agriculture is the best one shop stop. It;s out of print so it might be worth going to a library.There are lots more sources on my blog if you go to my youtube page you can find the link. I hope you find what you are looking for.
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 12 лет назад
Please visit some different web pages that define the Paleo Diet. You will find statements like "no grains" and "no legumes". You don't find statements like "only eat grains that were available to Paleolithic people such as ..." You will find statements like "don't consume salt because Paleolithic people didn't have salt shakers". These are, in fact, persistent myths because authors have provided blanket statements that aren't true. I'm sorry you view this as nonsense. Best wishes.
@spearthrowin
@spearthrowin 12 лет назад
Youtibe wouldn't let me post all I wanted to say (or my blog info which deals with some of this, I think you can find it through my RU-vid page). As a theoretical framework "paleo" is sound. Many American aborigines were farmers though,weren't they? I would say that in the old world at least grains do not appear to have been consumed as a staple until the neolithic. A noticable lack of querns (and iron deficiency anaemia) and the isotopic evidence would seem to confirm this.
@kuroiryu1509
@kuroiryu1509 11 лет назад
You are a great speaker.
@shayiswy2
@shayiswy2 11 лет назад
Salt is essential, but we typically consume more than what we need, especially here in North America. Salt is essential in amounts between 180-500mg a day, but I see not literature stating that it is essential salt to an average diet or that the salt must be from a shaker. Quite to the contrary actually. As for your second point, I eat animals for the same reaons I eat anything - I am hungry, I enjoy it, believe in it, and because I want to - Not to convince some joe blow in the next city ...
@pickerjim9246
@pickerjim9246 4 года назад
What happen to this youtuber no videos in several years
@bobmcgee9244
@bobmcgee9244 3 года назад
He's pretty active on Facebook still.
@cintronbrandon
@cintronbrandon 12 лет назад
arthur.....youre a boss, much respect
@dondee8214
@dondee8214 10 лет назад
I am confused. I am not a proponent of paleo per se, however, I am sure of one thing. The meaning of Paleo and it sure does not include people as recent as apache indians or whomever else this guy was using for comparison. From dictionary "The Paleolithic Age, Era or Period is a prehistoric period of human history distinguished by the development of the most primitive stone tools discovered, and covers roughly 99% of human technological prehistory". So where from the apache indian stuff. That was just a few thousand years ago.
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 10 лет назад
Jay Kay, you are confused because you didn't read the description. Please do so and then I'm happy to discuss any aspects of the video that are of interest to you. Best wishes.
@dondee8214
@dondee8214 10 лет назад
Arthur Haines You said: The Paleo Diet is attempting to mimic the diet of the indigenous (and their ancestors). According to dictionary: Paleolithic period (pāˌlēəlĭthˈĭk, -lēō-, pălˌ-) [key] or Old Stone Age, the earliest period of human development and the longest phase of mankind's history. It is approximately coextensive with the Pleistocene geologic epoch, beginning about 2 million years ago and ending in various places between 40,000 and 10,000 years ago, when it was succeeded by the Mesolithic period So that means you are suggesting that the natives of say the Americas a few thousand years ago ate exactly the same as the Paleolithic man? Hmmmm, I don't think so my friend. Food choices and availability stayed the same for 2million years. That seems unlikely sir. Having said that, I do not subscribe to the notion that just because Paleoman was stronger and ate a certain way, we must eat that same way. Afterall, the environment is entirely different and most animals from that time have been crossbred a thousand times. Its just not the same. The bottom lime, like u said, is to avoid processed foods.
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 10 лет назад
man dingo I'm not suggesting that the diet of indigenous people (past or present) stayed the same for 2 million years. You've misunderstood my comment, I'm sorry I wasn't clear. What I am suggesting is that the diet of North American indigenous people, prior to interruption of their lifeways, was remarkably similar to various aspects of the paleolithic diet, especially the more recent paleolithic time. Both groups ate grains, both groups ate legumes, both groups consumed animal foods (both raw and cooked), and so on. We do see differences (or course). For example, acorns were eaten by paleolithic people and by North American indigenous, but the acorns were not processed to remove antinutrients by the paleolithic groups studied (such as Grottes des Pigeons in Morocco). Paleolithic people used a wide variety of hunting weapons to secure animal foods, culminating in the development of the hunting bow over 60,000 years ago (a tool also used here in North America). What is interesting is that anthropologists frequently utilize the behaviors of modern hunter-gatherers to develop insights about the social organization and behavior of paleolithic people--but we are not supposed to do this for diet (apparently), even though what we do know suggests they were, in fact, quite similar once you get beyond the exact species consumed (although there are cases where even that was the same on different continents). If you are interested in friendly conversation, I would be extremely interested in reading your ideas about why these diets are so different that they cannot be used to explore one another. Best wishes to you.
@miskokinoo
@miskokinoo 11 лет назад
Any diet, as I'm sure you already know, that's based on agriculture and civilization in general exterminates countless animals and species. Agriculture's goal is to ideally cleanse all "competition" in order to favor the growth of a monocrop of domesticated plants as well as a monoculture of domesticated humans. At least a diet based on grassfed or preferably wild animals helps maintain topsoil, which agriculture constantly destroys. And it provides nutritionally dense food.
@Chrisbell804
@Chrisbell804 5 лет назад
The word diet, does not mean Losing weight! It just means what you eat.
@SCROGY
@SCROGY 11 лет назад
But the Paleolithic diet is built upon what we evolved to eat and that means we must consider our evolutionary history all the way back to pre primates 65,000,000 years ago. Grains are the most recent addition to the human diet and would not have been in compliance with the previous millions of years of dietary adaptation.
@arthurdhaines
@arthurdhaines 11 лет назад
rjp9871, your comment is way off base, rude, and accomplishes nothing except expressing your grossly inaccurate opinion of those who consume animal foods. I would have just deleted it, but I think it reflects well your biases and how little you know about my reverence and gratitude for life. I would encourage you, in the future, to find productive ways to communicate that don't immediately turn people off to your words. And by the way, this video didn't advocate the paleo diet. Best wishes.
@GuysCallMeShawna
@GuysCallMeShawna 11 лет назад
Very good.
@gamergod07
@gamergod07 11 лет назад
your comparing the paleo diet to native americans, we didn't evolve from native americans. Just because native americans ate certain things didn't mean our actual ancestors did.
@paleolithicgentleman1969
@paleolithicgentleman1969 11 лет назад
is offal. Even in leaner animals, the liver, marrow, brain...etc are high in fat these were much prized cuts and are often eaten first thing after hunting an animal, to replenish energy. 3, legumes are again, an issue of quantity and processing. Any legume that has a toxic effect when eaten raw wouldn't have been eaten (or would have been used sparingly as an hallucinogen, more likely...), but many legumes we eat today are, --
@ScowlingWolf
@ScowlingWolf 10 лет назад
great thank you
@SCROGY
@SCROGY 11 лет назад
Agreed.
@cintronbrandon
@cintronbrandon 12 лет назад
i love these vids
@Vorophobe
@Vorophobe 12 лет назад
You sound like the guy from Henry's Kitchen on RU-vid!
@asparwhite86
@asparwhite86 12 лет назад
Great video. Got referred from paleoplanet
@KatJaguar1122
@KatJaguar1122 11 лет назад
Check Dr. Weston A. Price's book "Nutrition and physical Degeneration" for accounts from the 1930's of the diets from various cultures around the world, with some history listed. Invaluable book.
@michaelharrington6698
@michaelharrington6698 5 лет назад
Paleo isn't about indigenous diets, its about Paleolithic ones
@dollarbillwoods87
@dollarbillwoods87 11 лет назад
Well one things for sure, at least in my personal experience, is that the low carb/GI diet has been great for oral health.
@calvinm3054
@calvinm3054 3 года назад
Wow amazing
@shayiswy2
@shayiswy2 11 лет назад
..to eat animals. Quite frankly, I don't care what this other person eats. While I have experienced various great benefits from my paloe like diet, I am not ignorant enought to assume it is right for everybody.
@CBLOVE2856
@CBLOVE2856 12 лет назад
Corn is another grain that the Indians ate.
@GaryHighFruit
@GaryHighFruit 11 лет назад
Wow. You sounded so reasonable in your video. Yet again, when it comes to meat, reason is out the window.
@LifeOhLife1981
@LifeOhLife1981 11 лет назад
read Matt Stones article.. paleo diet myths