Palestine and the Holocaust heated debate | Israel-Palestine Debate and Lex Fridman 

Have to laugh at all the "Why is Destiny even there" comments and "imagine Norm having to debate a youtuber on his lifes work" Yet they don't have examples of him being wrong and even Norm was reduced to name calling because he couldn't disprove anything he was saying. Benny, the actual historian agreed with all of Destinys points. The cope is unreal, that's not even mentining Norms own neighbor situation ... lol!

😂😂😂😂​@@mofishin2648

Norman Finkelstei and Mouin Rabbani are so disingenuous HAMAS broke a ceasefire and surprised people at a music festival: killed 250 unarmed civilians at the NOVA music festival and less than 20 additional people who were security or army at the site. That makes a civilian to soldier ratio of 10:1 IN GAZA - there is a war, so civilians were warned out of 30,000 death, 15,000 are HAMAS militant (Although Hamas refuses to say its casualty numbers to manipulate the number) so that's 15,000 civilians to 15,000 militants That makes a civilian to soldier ratio of 1:1 HAMAS kills 10 civilians for 1 soldier vs. IDF Kills 1 civilian for 1 militant and Hamas commits daily war crimes (Militants don't wear a uniform and hide under or amongst civilians) ITS OBVIOUS HAMAS has a greater genocidal intent whereas IDF has a military goal the only difference is the scale of the operation.

@@mofishin2648 he has no business in this debate. He mischaracterizes a number of items in the debate. For example, 22:40 , 23:25 etc. He does RU-vid/Wiki research, has no academy training and should like an uneducated sycophant. He has no business sitting next to Benny Morris or Norman Finkelstein.

"America is a golden calf and we will suck it dry, chop it up, and sell it off piece by piece until there is nothing left but the world's biggest welfare state that we will create and control... This is what we do to countries that we hate. We destroy them very slowly." Benjamin Netanyahu, 1990 “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas.” - Benjamin Netanyahu (2019) “In the visible dimension Hamas is an enemy, in the hidden dimension it is an ally.” - IDF Major General Gershon Hacohen (2019) “Israel started Hamas. It was a project of Shin Bet.” - Charles Freeman, US diplomat and ambassador (2006)

Because Nutty Norm is?

@@roundedges2”Nutty Norm” lmaoo im sure that will catch on🤣

​@@roundedges2Finkelstein is the son of holocaust survivors, a academic, historian and sociologist. destiny speaks fast

You say those things like any of them makes him any less of a bullshitter.@@ghiorghetatarescu3649

Good question.

Every time he spoke you have to laugh bro couldn’t even point to Israel on the map before Oct 7.

@@sufouif he’s so dumb, point out where he was wrong. Headass.

And yet Norm HAS TO keep saying "I know more than you" instead of demonstrating that he does. Norm's points are unbelievably predictable for a "scholar": anti-jew, anti-charlie-hebdo, pro-russia, pro-holocaust, pro-palestine WITH NO NUANCE. He's a woke/communist shill hiding under the guise that he has a degree in Israel-Palestine relations. Norm squirms and squeals a lot like an old lady too... Just thought it'd be interesting to mention.

And yet Norm HAS TO keep saying "I know more than you" instead of demonstrating that he does. Norm's points are unbelievably predictable for a "scholar": anti-j, anti-charlie-hebdo, pro-russia, pro-holo, pro-palestine WITH NO NUANCE. He's a woke/communist shill whose position merely reduces to "anti-west at all costs" hiding under the guise that he has a degree in Israel-Palestine relations. Norm squirms and squeals a lot like an old lady too... Just thought it'd be interesting to mention.

​@@PhilosophyofGuitarhe's not woke at all

It's crazy isn't it, Christmas owes us so Christmas must pay with Arab land and Blood.

Millions of muslims balkanizing europe. Dont care about jews in israel. At least they dont need welfare.

Because that’s how the world worked back then. It was Christendom prior to the Arab Conquest that took over more than half of Christendom at the time. The Berbers and Arabs got the US involved in that part of the world again. I don’t think this will ever end, unfortunately. 😣

Arabs colonized 3 continents. Muslims stole from Christians, Hindus, Jews etc. And Jews purchased every inch of land legally through 1948. The Muslims purchased nothing, they just invaded, colonized, imposed the jizya on pre-Islamic civilizations etc etc

Talk that shit

When the author says as much I tend to side with Mr bornel

@@snoopcelev1590 What if the Prof was lying

@@snoopcelev1590 Good for you being naive like this.

The fact that you have to SAY that you're more literate than someone because you can't DEMONSTRATE that you're more literate. What kind of person in a convo needs to tell you "hey I'm a PhD and you only have a bachelor, so I'm smarter and everything I say is right?" It's like a flat girl in a bikini trying to seduce you by SAYING "I have huge front and back sides, you know?" Well we can witness that it's not the case, it's pathetic.

I wish he would have also said Mr. Fonzereli

You should start streaming. It pays.

Me too. I found myself yelling 4k off every time Borelli spoke. Someone should have supervised his meds before he went into this 'debate.' I've never heard such crap ever fall from anyone's mouth as he vomited.

@@katpuss6564who’s borelli? The one in the blue shirt?

Tourette’s*

​@@katpuss6564what did you EXACTLY disagree? Quote one point og his.

Search about the Rothschilds. It had nothing to do with repentance against jewish persecution in medieval times and everything to do with rich euro-jewish families influencing Britain's foreign policies

what reparations? The West enforced the end of slavery!

He’s for it tho 😂

He passed out after 2 hours and had to be reanimated.

@@ThumbsHunter Damn, forgot to recharge his lithium-ion batteries again

​@@ThumbsHunter Something about how you described this is very funny.

he got sick of hearing Destiny talk at 2.5x speed

@@Zomgtforly Destiny can't help himself, he takes the same "meds" Shapiro does.

Is because there is no value in mr. Borenabellini

Horrible man

Exactly what I was thinking 😂

​@@aidoskashenov4532 Dinklebot 😂

Well he should have said Mr " books are a waste Borelli" ,since that is the only "useful" 😉 thing Destiny said during all of this

and one would point out what hes wrong about instead of reverting to insults, we call that a ad hominem attack

As opposed to non Israeli ben Shapiro?

​@@musicmadebyai Destiny fan boy - no one cares about ad hominem 🤓

Mandark

@@musicmadebyai one doesn’t have to “point out” ben shapiro is wrong.

Try to solve that riddle. It makes absolutely no sense for him to even be sitting close to these guys.

To bring his viewers to boost the video ratings is the only altruistic explanation

There is no mystery or conspiracy. Lex just likes Destiny. You can tell in both appearances

Spot on! You could tell how adamant Prof. Norman was to hold Benny Morris to account, but Lex seemingly wanted his buddy Destiny to get some airtime here, so he let him completely reduce what would otherwise be an intellectual conversation to a bickering back and forth on disjointed minutiae that Destiny would spew out haphazardly.

I think the counter argument to that is that Finkelstein was picking quotes out of context and using the as "gotcha", when they lacked full context/meaning.

Because even Lex was able to understand the full context after Benny explained it. The only person in the room who DIDNT seem to understand was Norm, because it blew up all his points.

The actual reason is that Finkelstein quoted parts of Morris' books out of context. Morris then proceeded to correct him, to give full context. Neither Finkeldick nor his fans seem to comprehend the full context.

I love how everyone who says Norm took Benny out of context literally have never read a SINGLE word of Benny's books. The point Norm was trying to make is that Benny is walking back on his prior points and for ANYONE who has read Benny that is OBVIOUS. He can state it was "out of context" all he wants, it becomes obvious once you read the books.

why? it was under britsh control,not palestinian control. the brits made sure after the great arab rebellion that the arab militas are quelled and no more massacre occur against jews,like 1929 massacre. jews had equal rights to arabs and if the arabs hoarded weapons -so did the jews. mizrahi jews in the rest of the middle east couldnt do so and suffered many pogroms without means to defend themselves. same with christian and yazidis in the rest of the middle east...

Majority of people that support Palestinians act as if they're the most innocent and purists people in the world. They're on their way to claim October 7 is a peaceful protest.

But at the time it was the only area that allowed Jews to migrate. So yeah it was the only safe heaven

“We didn't take a foreign land and we didn’t exist on the spoils of other nations, but on the lands of our fathers that through the years was illegally seized by our enemies. We, when we had the opportunity, restored our birthright.” _- Simon Maccabeus (135 AD)_ Simon Maccabeus led a Jewish army to defeat of the Seleucid Empire (Greek). This was prior to the migration of Arabs into Israel from Egypt, Jordan and Syria in the 7th century AD. Jews have lived on the West Bank since ancient times. The Judea and Samaria Area of the West Bank covers a portion of the territory designated by the biblical names of Judea and Samaria. Both names are tied to the ancient Israelite kingdoms: the former corresponds to part of the Kingdom of Judah, also known as the Southern Kingdom; and the latter corresponds to part of the Kingdom of Samaria, also known as the Northern Kingdom. After the War of 1948 17,000 Jews were expelled or ethnically cleansed from Jerusalem and an estimated 40,000 from Gaza and the West Bank. Jews were prohibited from living in those territories during Egypt's and Jordan’s occupation from 1948 to 1967. Jews were not allowed to worship at the western wall when Jordan occupied Jerusalem. Jews began to settle in the area again after it was captured by Israeli forces in the defensive war fought in 1967. Judea - Samaria - Jerusalem - Hebron - Nazareth - Galilee all names from the Christian Bible which came after Judaism but before Islam.

@@francogiobbimontesanti3826 So the palestinians were the only one willing to allow jews to migrate. They were also providing them a safe space. And they are still some how partially responsible for the holocaust? And this is how they have been repaid over the decades by jews? Jews really are some grade A traitors. Perhaps the eurpoeans were right to treat them the way they were treated.

No idea, he's a joke. He shouldn't be there.

He was willing to take part and the decision of inviting him or not was up to Lex, I imagine je will address this in the near future since so many comments qre asking the same question

Spent months reading about the conflict, verifying sources and debating people on the subject, anyone who spends enough time studying a specific topic and has valid questions about it can participate in conversations. And from what I can see he has a better understanding on the topic than Finkelstein at least

@@ivanabibe160 Lmao you cant be serious, regardless of political positions, you cant tell me there was none from the right more informed than a youtuber that has been studying a 75 years conflict for “months” 😭😭

​@@ivanabibe160🤣🤣🤣 You can't be serious! Finklestein has been a scholar all his life! No one else is seeing what you're seeing here.

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He's there because of his popularity and how many kids he brainwashed.

Yes I don’t understand why Burrelli is sitting there… very incoherent.

Rabbani spews horse shit from his mouth, but as long as he’s saying what you want to hear it’s okay

@@Robp-j1b I cannot claim the validity of his points, especially when it comes to every single detail of the historical context of this issue. That said, after watching the whole debate, it's pretty clear that Norman and Rabbani had significantly stronger points. The other guys just sounded like they were trying to come up with ridiculous reasons for justifying Israel's brutality, which has been going on for years.

@@MuhammadWaqas-zv6qz I felt like norm and rabbani were doing the same. To be honest the brutality of Israel has been horrendous but so has Hamas’s. And the reality is that the Palestinians support Hamas. I feel like picking a side in this conflict is ignorant if you can’t recognize how both sides have committed atrocities and both have reason to hate each other.

Please be careful with your words, like I am, Mr. Tortellini.

Yea, he did nothing but obfuscate, and derail. His "talk fast while getting into the weeds, minutiae, and nuance, and get lost in trivial nonsense just to claim to be right about trivial, irrelevant things" didn't work in this debate That tactic usually doesn't work on adults. His fans do the same shi 🤣 They all focus on Norm getting irrelevants' last name wrong instead of every time duckstiny got shushed for another 40 mins after saying something stupid while the adults were talking 🤣

What did you expect from a college drop out in a debate with scholars who spend their life studying a subject.

You mean 'did awfully'? Whatever about the Middle East and Ukraine going up in smoke, standards must remain!

Mr Boccherini had better arguments, but I like the debating style of Mr Spaghetti

I am not a bible thumper by any means but I am reminded of the verse about the sins of the father being passed down “4 generations”… I think this is axiomatic of our biology and our shorter life spans and even shorter memories and attention spans. We need some way to retain the worthy knowledge of the past without saddling it with all of our emotional baggage. Not to diminish the baggage but it becomes a generational albatross around our necks. We may be wearing gold chains but but they are still chains keeping us in thrall of the blind, deaf and foolish.

Have you heard of war? Heave you heard of the Ottoman Empire? Have you heard of… uhh Nevermind

@@xorealslowmd have you ever heard of the Geneva Convention and why it was drafted in the first place? Your feau realpolitik is weak.

@@xorealslowmd you mean the Ottoman Empire that the British overthrew with the alliance of the Arabs. And so? Still doesn’t negate from the fact that who the fuck is Britain to promise the land of other people to a population that didn’t participate in so called war and got it purely out of a quick fix. Setting it up to be a mixing pot of fuck ups. Ah not much sense, talk before you think :) uhh never-mind.

Exactly. How can you blame the Palestinians, who already feared a takeover of their home, for pressuring the British to stop its mandatory immigration campaign, but not turn the same blame onto those more powerful nations, the US (Give me your tired, your poor, / Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free) in particular. Especially when they KNEW for YEARS about Hitlers extermination of the jews as it happened. It's very clear zionist have never and will never see the Palestinians as a legitimate people who have rights to their home, rights as much as any other nation. It was very clear the intention of the British to ignore the wants of Palestinians in favor of setting up a colony in Palestine

superiority complex exhibit 3

4 the clicks

He said he chose not to intervene to "represent the very real tensions that exist in this topic in the real world"

@@JackSack-w5h woah big if true

I prefer it this way, I don't like when moderators interrupt non stop like Piers Morgan for example.

He’s a pretty bad moderator and interviewer in general

How...dare...you...

Not when the issue is Israel-Palestine it isn't.

Jews are so desperate to be the victims , stopping indiscriminate killing on both sides is not antisemetic

*Antisemite Norman Finkelstein

@@w0lov these days everyone is an antisemite ... if you are pro israel you are antisemitic against palestinians...if you are pro palestine you are antisemitic against jews

If Norm Finkelstein believes this, he needs to change his view on being pro-ethnic cleansing immediately.

@@w0lov nothing wrong with that

Keep crying 😂😂😂😂

Mussolini wasn’t a nazi, just so you know

@@randomkyle3he didn’t say that

Not only did they negotiate, they welcomed the idea of the 'wrong sort' being removed, and kept out of Israel when it was created..

Nazi have 150thousand of jewish soldier

Ghere are millions of jews. You are statistcally likely fo find instances of every terrible jewish person if you dig deep enough

He is Zionist plant

Welcome to the social media era, people like destiny, Shapiro, that blond bimbo, and Hassan etc would have been laughed into obscurity 30 years ago.

Probably so norm could insult someone else rather than spending 5 hours misquoting benny to his face.

@@areichental no it’s because he has a humiliation fetish

@@areichental the question is why is a non qualified person like destiny debating on such topic, he should stick to streaming and contradicting himself rather than debate with someone who is a professor in this discussion

Mouin is my hero now, calm and knowledgeable.

I think he was too polite, within the debate i saw like this too morons on the israeli side claiming all the nonsenses without any shame, and to opposite this lie a liked how professor Fl just insult them to clarify they really essence. Sorry for my english, it is third language

Agreed. His calmness and demeanor is unmatched, even when constantly interrupted. Didn't appreciate his throwing around "white supremacy" at the end though just because he had a disagreement over Jim Crow.

Did you not listen?

All debates are performative. It’s for the people that already agree with one side or the other to cheer on

@@Thegabub I've seen plenty of debates on many topics where I learned a lot. This is just 27 minutes of people on the left saying one thing and the people on the right saying another. Both claim to speak about facts and one guy is busy with ad homines against another debater. Lex should have intervened more often to steer the conversation towards something more fruitful.

I don't think debates are great for learning things. They can be manipulative and its hard to fact check in real time

This debate is more interesting for folks who are a little more seasoned on the details of the conflict. No problem on your end.

The original plan was to send them to Madagascar 🤓

I bet Germany and Soviet Russia was cozy💀

Vatican also was celebrating hitler birthday I think Israel have the right to build settlement there

@@youngscholarslibrary and how about US ? UK? Australia? Canada? South America? South Africa? Those countries wouldn't have been safe for Jews also?

besides of the english speaking world, palestine was the safest place as the brits made sure the palestinians dont commit too many massacres against the jews. they didnt manage to prevent 1921 and 1929 massacres of the arab grand rebellion,they sure fought hard to engable it. it sure was the safest place for jews across the middle east,because there jews could bear weapons to protect themselves. the jews of baghdad in 1941,jews of tripoli and egypt in 1945,jews of aden and alepoo in 1947 couldnt protect themselves.

because jews are not nativet to Palestine, they invaded canaanites to exist there in the first place while Palestinians are native and direct descendants of the canaanites

it's not...check 23andMe for example, they have a list of countries they ship to, israel is on the list

Because the zionist are white europeans and not real Semites of the land

Because Mr Borelli says so!

​@@pablo-z-dragonDNA testing is not banned in Israel. The Genetic Information Law, passed in 2000 amid privacy concerns, conditions domestic testing on a doctor's prescription or court order, & that testing be done by accredited labs. Commercial ancestry tests can be purchased from abroad.

Because he is an insecure manchild incapable of having constructive dialogue? There is literally an hour before this of clip of Finklestein adhoming destiny out of nowhere, then when Destiny simply calls him out for lying, you're on Norm's side? You're insane. Benny literally agrees with Destiny's interpretation over fecalstains.

Finklestein got triggered because he’s a nut

But... Destiny *did* read it. And Norm *was* misrepresenting it because he wouldn't give the full quote, he'd just give half of it and then accuse Morris of lying.

i am referring to this clip, not whatever cope talking point you heard . There is no discussion about UN around my timestamp.

@@afterglow5285 they are arguing that Benny Morris tried to downplay a terrorist's actions. Morris is explaining that there is a difference in a man elected to be leader forty years after his actions as a young terrorist. Where exactly does Destiny accuse anyone of lying here? Cause in that timestamp he doesn't say anything about lying.

BINGO

THIS!👆100%!!!!!! So very well put 👍

I see u trying to connect the dots, israel is not an apartheid state. I live here, and anyone who lives here finds these statements plain stupid. Muslims have the same rights as jews, thats a fact , muslims reach all the positions of power just like jews. Top judges, pariliamebt members in jewish parties and out, key figures in the military. You can theorize as much as u want ,on the ground there is no apartheid.

And yet, the US foreign policy was to fight the Nazis in opposition to the people you mentioned. But al-Husseini, the Mufti of the time, literally met with Hitler to figure out how to best work with the Nazi agenda. So it's apples to oranges. You're comparing official policy of a government to the beliefs of some private people. It's dishonest and you should be ashamed of your little parlor trick.

If you have to dig so deep in order to find a reason for israel being an apartheid state that should tell you all you need to know. Apartheid is blatant and harsh. The fact is the israeli arabs, whether muslim or christian, enjoy the same rights and privileges that israeli jews enjoy... So much so that an arab israeli judge sentenced a jewish israeli ex-prime minister to prison. In an apartheid state, that would be impossible.

well yeah every time he tries to say something norm lashes out "MR BERNOULLI, MR BORELLI YOU READ 2 WIKIPEDIA ENTRIES"

​@yakinthebox well yeah, imagine having to debate someone against something you've made your life work. Versus, someone who had to do some online research before showing up.

@@yakintheboxseems like a bit of an over exaggeration…he did it twice but apparently it was enough to pierce right through your feelings so you’re here complaining about it. A video game streamer vs a scholar….

People who's life work it is are too close to the problem. That's why outsiders come in to clean up companies, they dont have all the personal time investment and scruples with other academics. Norm is threatened by destiny so he belongs there

It's so funny how all of the Dinklestern fans have been spamming comments like this over and over, and yet I've never seen a single one be able to say what Destiny is wrong about. They either just shout/cry/defecate their pants or repeat the word "Wikipedia" and think that makes it look like they have an effective rebuttal 😂

And constantly fear the points about to be made and interrupt. They must be taught this.

Exactly! 🙄

He literally fits every reddit stereotypes down to the bekng cucked.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Finkelstein is a lunatic. If you watched Destiny prepare for this debate you know that he approached this discussion with humility. Finkelstein, however was the first to lobby personal insults at his advisory’s.

@@Ksean29”Humility?” Destiny? Laughable. He studied talking points and claimed early on he hoped for the extermination of all Palestinians in Gaza

A young terrorist became Prime Minister and the country became a utopia and lived happily ever after with it's neighbors. The end 😂😂😂

almost shit myself when he said that.

Interesting how many young terr0rists rose to become Prime Minister of I$rael

😂 let it go, he was just a young terrorist but accept our stretched arguments of how Palestinians were responsible for the holocaust.

Zionism is simply indefensible.

If you take out destiny from this show, the podcast would have been a lot more reasonable.

@@CenteneCenteneYes, he is more than annoying, and as for anybody who chooses to call themselves “destiny” . I found Mr Rabbani very impressive, calm and reasoned. Even Benny Morris, though I wouldn’t agree with him politically, at least he was reasonable.

'I can not imagine the interplay among vast populations of non reasonable persons' i mean destiny is there... so yes you can imagine

The whole project of colonialism is not reasonable, of course there can be no solution on such premises.

Destiny called himself Pro-Genocide. I find that unreasonable.

Unlike Dinklepeen who had to pull out his own book to quote Morris's book rather than citing Morris in context or, you know, *talk to the man sitting across from the table from him*. I'd rather have someone pull up and primary sources on their iPad than someone pulling a cherry picked tertiary source. If you can't see the difference, you are out of your depth here.

Whats wrong with that?

lol and that dumb@$$ streamer also tried to 'educate', as he puts it, Frankenstein at some point. So laughable.

@@jorgemartinez42069lmao the cope is unreal in this comment section

if the information is right than there is absolutly no problem on that

What a weirdo, mum might need put down doesn't seem like she's all there

Compelling

Wow how did she feel about israel did she have knowledge of them I've been studying them for 40 years I lived with them in brooklyn I observed there ways your mum was around much longer than I she should have vast knowledge of them

Cool story bro. 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱❤️❤️❤️

@@hmmmmmmminteresting cowards

The defeat of the Ottoman empire was a result of the Arab Revolt. The Brits made a deal with the Arabs in exchange Arabs would claim their own territory. This is probably the real reason for Persians and Arabs not getting. Persians felt betrayed. However the Arabs were betrayed by the British ....twice. 1. Britain made a deal with France for Arab territory without Arabs knowing it...and to the Balfour declaration. Had it not been for the Arabs revolt the Ottomans would not have been defeated.

But british issued Peels Comission which grant Palestinian freedom in thr next 10 years. It mever been realozed but their neighbouring countries get it, like Syria, Lebanon, Egypt-they got the right to self determination from british

The Muslim defeat of the people that were there before thought that it gave them h th he right to sell and redraw border lines in the middle east and wherever else the Muslim and Ottoman empire extended. That’s how Constantinople became Istanbul, genius. Exactly the same. True in both cases. Yes, wars are not fought with blood and treasure spent for things to stay the same as before the war. Why else bother?

And they also promised it to the Saudi's. Winning a war doesn't mean you get to do ethnic cleansing on a land. You just own the land.

The british fucked over the Palestinians by promising them their own state hood if they revolted against the ottomans which led to the arab revolt speeding up the defeat of the ottomans. Then the sykes picot agreement happened.

Yep If you analize today And dress it on the past You can see similarities Politicians all over the world lie and manipulate all the time Like always So why politician of the past need to be considered as angels of pure truth

you must be joking ! it gave the green light for more people to go on THAT ground in the first place. I am from a country that was colonized and post colonial declaration of our independance shaped the whole futur of our country and we're still dealing with its consequences to this day .

@@amaneehmeh8756 Your point being?

Yeah, and he was lying about what his previous words meant because they go against what he espouses today. Why is that so hard for Destiny fans to grasp?

Norm was so frustrated with this because Benny was obfuscating and denying things he knew was true. And shame on Lex for allowing that.

​@@TheOldGuest bruh, you can go read it yourself. the entire paragraph talks about the violence of Arabs against Jews being the reason for it.

@@TheOldGuesti read books, you react to youtube debate clips. we are not the same.

​@@TheOldGuest you can't possibly know if he was lying unless you can read minds, which you don't. Norm took quotes out of context and tried to assign them his own meaning instead of asking Benny to clarify his words. Keep coping partisan hack.

There won't be muslims if it were a normal country.

thank you

it says a lot about you and "pro-palestinians" that gave likes on this that think that cleaning toilets (a legit work) is an ofense

superiority complex exhibit #2

Who's land was it first? (if you want to play that game)

the “palestinians” ppl. name one palestinian king queen 100, 200,300…or 1000 years ago. there isn’t one. but there was king david king solomon that jews can relate to the land. when a jew comes home arab colonizers have issues. but central asian colonized jerusalem n the land sround it they were ok w it. this tells me they hate jews period.

1. They did not have a state. 2. They could have accepted the two state solutionm 3. They could have not attacked in late 47. 4. They fled. In other words, there was no Palestinian state. They rejected the 2 state partition, they then attacked the jews, they then fled and lost the war and until today they still cry about it and call it the nakba. Meanwhile the jews have been kicked out of their land, then kicked out of almost every other place they wound up, then the holocaust happened, then they finaly came back to their home land. All along jews have always looked forward and rebuilt, they didnt cry about being opressed and demanded to be treated as refugees forever. They rebuilt. Meanwhile Palestinians have been enslaved by their arabic shia masters and their cause has been taken over by corrupt leadership who does not care about their well being but serve the foreign imperialistic intrests of Iran.

@@gk8334then by extension let’s talk about the us, Hawaii, Texas, Guam, Panama,Puerto Rico I would like to know your views on South Africa and Zimbabwe as well. Both Muslims and Jews lived there forever no one person has claim to that land neither does such claims justify genocide and ethnic cleansing.

@@JJ-qc6lh 1. Neither did more than half of Africa after WW2 2. A 2 state solution based on land theft is not a solution anyone would accept 3. They’re land was being taken and that’s a direct attack on a persons sovereignty 4. They were expelled they didn’t flee In other words Israel is a made up country made by deals that acted like Palestinians had no claim to their own land. You’re obviously pro-colonialism and apartheid so there’s nothing to talk about here.

Why is Norman?

Because Lex is trying to grift Destiny's viewership

@@garethlewis1984 Norm is a political researcher, Rabanni is a Middle East analyst, Morris is a historian….. and Destiny is a streamer with zero credentials. He’s clearly out of his element.

​@@thenoseyskeptiche's representing a "populistic" mainstream point of view which is almost everytime ridiculous

He's clearly out his depth. That's why Destiny showed more knowledge after 3 months of research than a guy who's been studying his whole adult life, and was able to catch Norman out using quotes out of context that he didn't even understand. I don't think you seem to realise that citing Norman's credentials is more of a damning indictment than it is actual praise. Because for someone with so many credentials, his performance in this debate was utterly embarrassing.@@thenoseyskeptic

Diversity :). Can’t have 4 white straight males in a room without getting harassed these days

Ad hominems. Being finklesteinns water boy has its symptoms.

Because apparently being a "historian" like Norman is worth absolutely jack shit.

That's a good question, but what does his sexual preverence have to do with anything?

More ad homs. Just like this "historian".

Because they’re all addressed in the podcast, there is only so many times one can say “Destiny is making things up and going against the dozens of reports from the UN and human right groups” because he wants to be a contrarian and meat ride the IDF, and act dumb

Okay, here's one argument for you to ignore: Destiny's point about the 4 children was a lie - as Norm points out, there were journalists there that saw it was a fishing shack. And even if the kids were leaving the super secret compound (they weren't), they're still CHILDREN.

You mean the girl that was on his iPad looking through Wikipedia while the other men had it memorized?

He wasn’t even listening half the time because he needed to google most of the topics. It was embarrassing

​@@TheOldGuestwasn't a "lie". And again, these are drone strikes. Maybe you didn't pay attention at all when they explained that A. Drones can't really tell children from adult and B. That call came from the top. If you think a call to spend several million dollars worth of ordinance to kill 4 random kids came from the top, then you're slower than I thought

*Most Zionists do not believe in the existence of God, but they believe that He promised them Palestine* - Ilan Pappé

The spot was planned

Literally the truth, tons of stories a out jews being stopped from immigrating

Does it matter to you that he's right? In the years leading up to and during WWII there was literally no place on earth that would take the hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees except Palestine under the Brits, against the wishes of the Arabs. That includes the US.

It was the most realistic place to establish a country to guarantee their safety after the actual Holocaust. It doesn’t matter if somewhere else was even better. Britain owned the land. They did what they wanted with the land. Palestine was a region not a country.

Living “in peace” as obedient, second-class citizens-or else…

Please don't bring India into this conversation as Indian history is long and complicated and while there were periods of peace between communities there were also periods of strife and conflict. The British did not make Tippu Sultan the Muslim ruler of the Kingdom of Mysore intern the Christians. Nor did the British make Hyder Ali (Tippu Sultan's father) usurp the Hindu Wadiyar dynasty which had rule Mysore for centuries going back to 1399.

@@roundedges2 Right, often the Jews were the second class citizens in those Arab nations. But yes, there was relative peace for hundreds of years, a long long time ago.

I was a linecook in a restaurant in northern Israel some 17 years ago, the kitchen hand was a young arab guy, he asked me why the boss was always jewish and the kitchen hand was always arab. I told him that for many years the boss was arab and the kitchen hand was jewish and now it changed, and it might change again one day and again one day. He understood. Saying that, before I was a line cook I was a kitchen hand at an arab restaurant, so there are exceptions, naturally.

Ok I know very little about the Palestinian situation but you make it very clear you know absolutely fuck all about the history of India. Please respect your own ignorance

Finkle didn’t make any good points 😂 He just demonstrated that he misunderstood Benny’s writings over and over and then acted uncivil and unprofessional whenever Destiny made a point. When you’re in a debate you don’t attack people, you address their points.

Finkle did get destroyed. He started calling names and using logical fallacies. He got his ass whooped.

Some people will listen to the debate and figure it out, as far as the comments: a lot of it is propaganda and people who already picked a side, but there are so many embarrassing clips here for the Israeli side its obvious did not go well for them.

​@@AboSaad-q8nWhat points were embarrassing specifically? You people just say things like this and then *literally never* are able to produce an example.

He's so dumb time stops, He's also surprisingly ignorant considering He's been "debating" the Subject he knows nothing about for months now - youre bound to pick up at least some knowledge you'd think? But no. He's content with skimming some blogg with the name "wiki" in it, and is humiliated with such force I feel it through the screen. The level of MORON you'd have to be to go up against Professor Finkelstein at all in the light of this, is hitting the roof - last boss level is to NOT READ UP IN THE SLIGHTEST before you do.

Right, no bias from Mr. Mossad

its a real picture showing the subject of this clip? nothing more too it defneding whats displayed much?

Its not a coincidence ​@@doroncohen259 that he chose a picture that painted starving people as Nazis. It is pure bias, wether or not your hasbara programming allows you to see it as such.

this comment already occupied by me

@Ren-fz3qz i mean we already know how they pay peopel to comment and reply on social media and even bribe content creators to switch sides

@@jacobthesettler7616 i fuckin lost it, LOL

shouldn't you be elsewhere donating bits to your favorite e-celebs, little boy?

@@germanrud9904 I wouldn't call the people I dono to "e-celebs" That's such an odd way to put it. I just like making people's day by giving them coffee money :) Most of the people I dono to have a very small sub counts and I just enjoy their content. That's all. Have an awesome day :)

but that is a grammatically correct way to say: "nothing happened for so many years, and then all of a sudden one day xyz happened"

Dont bother explaining to youtube idiots who have no ability to think for themselves

@@_Noopy_ yeah, i mean. Everything eventually happens all of the sudden. In this sentence however he assumes that during 10 years there was no relection whatsoever regardless a later change of mind on a specific issue.

thats not the dunk that you think it is chief

@@FullOnMetalHead1995it’s not that deep chief

Yeah! I am shocked by his overall lack of knowledge. Reading off Wikipedia is not a good look in a discussion among scholars. Not knowing which are the illegal settlements in Israel ( Gaza, West Bank, and East Jerusalem) makes him unqualified to be in this discussion. He and Benny Morris dismissing international law might explain why Israel acts with impunity. International law is meant to create stability. But if some countries are allowed to act criminally, and international law does not apply to them, we have the messes that we have in the world.

He's always been like that if you look at the substance of what he says. He has no business being there and has been getting way too much of a platform imo.

@@masterbaraman9372 I think you are right.

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Funny, I didn't see Destiny rely on misquoting or lying by omission and act to ad hom when called out on it. But fact checking on wiki is apparently worse. Got it.

He wasn't checking wiki articles in real time. Those were his notes. But please, cope harder.

​@@garethlewis1984 Mr. Borelli literally pulled one quote from the South African case of genocide, and then tried to assert South African case was entirely a misrepresentation based on the quote. What was the other side supposed to do? Go through each accusation and argue the merits of the case? It was such a bad faith argument. All anyone could do is roll their eyes and move on. Then Mr. Morelli got petulant and frustrated at Norm because he didn't want to argue the "facts" based on this quote. The fact is, the International Court chose to investigate the accusation of Genocide against Israel. If the case, at face value, was meritless, they wouldn't have chosen to pursue it. He was utterly outclassed and out-witted from beginning to end.

How exactly have Gazans suffered from ethnic cleansing? I really want to understand your viewpoint, but it just seems so utterly ridiculous to me.

@@sashafarber617 Gazans are the children of Palestinians refused the right of return post 1948 War. That was an act of ethnic cleansing by any standard. Is there an argument for an attempt at ethnic cleansing now? I would point to 700,000 illegal settlers in the west bank and attempts by those settlers to settle in Northern Gaza a few weeks ago. The destruction of Gazan infrastructure could also be classed as an attempt to chase palestinians from Gaza as well as high civilian deaths. Add to this the popularity of a " greater israel" arising. If you look at other occupied land, beyond the boundaries of the 1948 border, those lands also have Israeli settlers. I know the excuse to keep that land is defensive in nature but if that's the real excuse why allow it to be settled? The obvious conclusion is it's never going to be given back

@@sashafarber617search up the term ethnic cleaning first, even before Oct 7 this is Israel policy, but as we speak Gazans are resorting to eating grass and lemon to feed because Israel refuses to let aid trucks come in if that doesn’t fit your definition on ethnic cleansing idk what will.

@@spartacusforlife1508Great explanation, but these peoples hearts are blind if they don’t see the videos they surely saw South Africa’s case at the ICJ, they are choosing to ignore evidence and take any deniability as absolute fact.

because as bad as the french were, they were a hell of a lot better to the jew than were the muslim supremacists

Jews in Algeria were given citizenship by the French back in the 19th century, and before that, they would have been living as second class citizens or Dhimmis. So it's not surprising that some of them sided with the French. Of course, not all of them did, but the FLN still stripped them of citizenship, so they ended up having to leave.

@@robfl100 The point here is the Jews sided with the french occupation similarly to what happened in Palestine under the british occupation.. even though they were dhimmis meaning protected by the state to freely practice their religion and have full protection under the muslim rule they even had lower tax rates than the muslims..

@@truelies5431 You said "even though they were dhimmis meaning protected by the state to....." Protected by the state in the same way that local businesses pay "protection" money to the mafia i.e. to get "protection" from what the mafia would do to them if they didn't pay the protection money.

@@disdoncable No, ذمة can also be used on the kids and the wife... for example in arabic we say your wife is under you "dhimma" means you are fully responsible for her well being.. so the dhimmi people means the non muslims who the state MUST take care of.. or they will face punishment by God

It wasn't dishonest. It was the facts of the situation. If you look into the story, it was a drone strike, so the IDF did not see kids. They essentially saw 4 blips coming out of a shed in a fenced off area that the idf had previously known to be used by hamas. It wasn't the intention targeting of children like Mr. finklestein said, it was an accidental killing of children that the idf thought were hamas fighters coming out of a known hamas area. It does not make the killing OK it just makes it clear it was an accident, it was unintentional. Not the intentional murder of 4 kids accepted up the entire chain of IDF command.

​@@FromTheAshes0762The fact that they were blindly killing people at a beach based off shoddy evidence of hamas being there(which turned out to not never be true) does show intentionality. Being indifferent of civilians being killed, which they would have to be to approve a drone strike like that, shows intention. Don't send drone to an area you know isn't completely controlled by Hamas

​@@tobysmith2081it's interesting that the IDF and Israel or held to a higher standard when it comes to collateral damage. When Hamas killed and raped Israelis, did they make sure there were no innocent victims? No they just went on a rampage.

@@tobysmith2081it doesn’t show intentionality of anything other than the fact that they didn’t do their due diligence. Call it clumsy, lazy, careless even. But that does not correspond to them intentionally wanting to kill children.

@@FromTheAshes0762 dude that example just shows how careless the IDF is about civilian casualties. I understand and probably Finkelstein also does too that the IDF thought that it was HAMAS terrorists but it still doesn't do any good to the claims that the IDF is just careless when targeting objectives.

"He changed his mind"×5

I was absolutely perplexed by Morris' response to Finkelstein quoting Morris's literary work. Morris is a historian with more than one book under his belt. He shouldn't be surprised that people quote his work back at him when his current statements seem, at least to Finkelstein, to contradict his previous statements. People can certainly change their minds over time, but doing so selectively, and without acknowledging it, does give rise to others calling it out.

He should go by the moniker Manifest Destiny.

​@@WUWHereI love finding comments just dunking on that dumb ass. Thank you for your contribution.

@@WUWHere Would definitely fit his politics...

we didnt demand all our ancestors lands(parts of lebanon,jordan,syria and modern day egypt) nor exclusive rights in israel. we mizrahi jews(sixth of jews in israel before 1948,now more than half) demand equal rights. the jews were purchasing land from owners registered in ottoman land registry(empire that ruled those lands for 400 years),and in 1947 we agreed to get a free state on lands where we already were majority or the negev abandoned desert(50 percent of current israel,most of the land allocated to jews in 1947). the arabs attacked us. we would agree to live in confederation with the arab muslims if not 1921,1929 and 1938 pogroms against us. we mizrahi jews wont be dhimmis again or live under pan arabs to end like the kurds,for or turkmen. we agreed to a 2 state solution in 1947,1999 and 2006. if the americans refused to give the indians a reservation or equal rights in america- would sure support an uprising by them . they got both,we got our middle eastern reservation in our ancestors lands-after we have been banished from the rest of the middle east and had to fight to remain free of islam and pan arabism.

At least they belong to the state and enjoy all the right of a citizen in America; same cannot be said of the Palestinian.

​@@netanelzionwow a copy pasted ŕesponse from hasba rat archive😂

@@KinanSamsung wow a qatari funded islamist apologizer. getting railed when a war happens in gaza but hundreds of thousands die in each of the civil wars in yemen,syira,lybia or yemen? all cool non of your concern . you dont make new arguments,why should i make new response everytime?

@@netanelzion Civil wars are different to state terrorism. Also, you don't have to care about other conflicts to care about a different one. For example. everyone talks about the holocaust of the Jews but no one speaks of the holocaust of the Congolese

just look up 1920-1939 legislation for proof.

I mean, I wouldn’t be surprised if a letter written directly to Adolf fucking Hitler pandered to his beliefs.

That's how we know he's well informed in this topic, not all bs like dEst1ny

@@KinanSamsung "If you have to keep telling everyone you're the king, you're not really the king."

@@TylerStrangelove more like "if you can't provide credible source of your claim then you are the king of bs"

@@KinanSamsung Credible source for what claim? What are you even talking about in the context of this thread? Lol

​@@KinanSamsungso well informed he thought "dolus specialis" was "men's raya". If you've read 100,000 books and don't know what dolus specialis is, you likely have a reading disorder.

Yep, Destiny did not learn or absorb a single fucking thing, even though he was in a room with someone who has literally spent his entire adult life studying Gaza/Palestine (Finklestein). So, so gross. Always just waiting for his turn to shriek HAMAS over and over again. He knows fuck all about the topic, zero insight or understanding of history and yet he acts smug AF.

You are talking about motor moth, the other three did listen to one another.

​@@katpuss6564 Are you nuts? The guy got talked over and interrupted extremely rudely in this for hours, until the interim where Lex and Benny talked about how Mr Morelli should return the favour and be hostile back

It's funny because the same people who say debates aren't productive, are cheering on finkel using ad hominems and are cheering on finkel refusing to engage because he is a "streamer"

@@mcbltgaming3694 LOL EXACTLY, it's always these people. Norm spent so much time insulting Destiny he kept forgetting to answer the subject And yet, he's the champion of this debate

'someone who was a terrorist everybody hated in his 20s became a prime minister 40 years later when he changed his values, checkmate zionists'

"You cant just hold people to what they have said!"

Lool, im pretty sure the consensus is that people loved Norm, a 70 year old, giving a nice intellectual whopping this twitch "streamer".

@@CenteneCenteneexactly. It was funny.

@@MrGrass97yeah it was hilarious. This guys a hurt destiny fan

Mr.Bonnelli got destroooooyed in this debate

@@CenteneCentene that very well might be consensus among people on the internet who know of these two. Of course, you will have "my side won," but to a normal unaligned observer or listener, I would think it would come off as unprofessional to ask for a name just to intentionally mispronouce it and to sling dirt to discredit someone where as if Mr finklestein had just dismantled the arguments alone without the dirt slinging and disrespect it would come off better. That's just my opinion from an unaligned observer/listener

It's real photo

@@John-bravooo Sure, from Kensington Palace.

Lex the rebtile did that.

@@alaanasser3243he doesn’t make his own thumbnails

Palestinians

No one should take you seriously with that take either. Thats not what was said.

@@benoliver2826 I pretty sure that is what was being said, but I know some people struggle to read in between the lines. Good luck with life though.

It's not as if sunak has any influence on Israeli policy he's just using it as a wedge issue to cause division

because ppl want their land

No, Zionists did not collaborate with Nazis to kill Jewish people. The Arabs sought a partnership with Hitler to murder the Jews in Israel. Nazi war criminals FLED to Arab countries. Zionists hunted down Nazis.

The Zionists are gonna use everyone that will do them good. Density just talk fast and believe he is right

He’s lexs buddy. That’s it

Destiny a cuckold RU-vid Reddit gremlin had no place at this table and made a joke of it

THE POINT IS IT WAS THE "ZIONISTS" WHO INVADED AND OCCUPIED. Palestine was already the land of ARABS, JEWS AND CHRISTIANS.... ZIONISTS ARE NOT JEWS.

Question is who owns the apartment ? It is Palestinian land, and they country by law, you can see M. Rabbani pointed it and no one argued, it was in 5 hours verse.

@@a_yusuf the winner of the war owns the land. So after the Ottoman Empire collapsed after World War 2 the Palestinians didn’t really “own” the land.

@@maroonblood151 Exactly. I dunno why this is so hard to understand.

No your metaphor is off. Because your implying 50-50%. The Jewish population was very small in the beginning of the century.

I couldn’t beleive how disingenuous he came off with his many red herring quick comments and responses that not only were not relevant but seemed to purposefully misrepresent the argument of his interlocutors.

Smorgasbord, chef.

Two groups of people who arrived with absolutely zero intention to listen to the other

Smorgasbord: a buffet offering a variety of hot and cold meats, salads, h'ors doeuvres, etc. ( Yummy! ) Alt: a wide range of something. In this case, a wide range of opinions, perspectives and observations. ( Yummy! )

@@bloodriguez7550 Smörgåsbord.