@@kbasemuzik no worries man and yeah lenses do that! in the video you can actually see the 12-60 having a brighter exposure to the 14-42 even with the same settings and lighting conditions, and you can especially see this when you compare kit lenses with nice prime lenses... anyway thanks for watching!
Just got the 12-60 for a great price. I wanted it with my GX8 because it is wider and longer than the 14-42 and it's weather sealed. I do documentaries outdoors and weather sealing was more important than a longer focal length on the 14-140. I'll now keep the 14-42 with my GM1 as camera B for interviews. Thanks for making this video, it confirms I made a good choice!
Good video and information. For travel, the small size of the Lumix 14-42mm is super appealing. Even when fully retracted, the 12-60mm is too long to walk around all day long hanging on my neck. The comparable pancake lenses with electronic zooms are too slow on start-up for me. I recently purchased a used Lumix 14-42mm and compared it to two pro zooms, the Olympus Zuiko 12-40mm F2.8 pro and Leica 8-18mm F2.8-4.0. Both of those lenses are big. The contrast and saturation was better on the bigger lenses. Adjusting the camera's contrast and saturation settings narrowed the differences. So nice results are possible with the Lumix 14-42mm. As far as sharpness, the Lumix 14-42m was almost as sharp at 14-18mm F-3.5-8.0 at portrait distances. At longer distances both the pro lenses seemed much sharper. It's hard to downgrade from those pro lenses, but there are situations where a big lens is not possible or at least very awkward. So a smaller lens is the only option. 14mm is a good street-photo focal length and where the Lumix 14-42mm performs best. I like the added flexibility of zooming to 18mm for street portraits.
@@athensvideographer been a while since I commented.... Having plenty of GAS, I've been through almost every m43 lens now, I would probably look for a 12-32 over either now. If money permitted the 12-35mm f2.8 would be a better lens to look for, even version 1.
Nice review. I like that you review affordable choices, not just pricey 'pro' models. I own the 14-42 and my new favorite kit lens, the tiny Lumix 12-32. I also shoot with the Lumix 14-140mm and my overall fav, the 20mm pancake. In my view, it is the fast small primes that differentiate Micro Four Thirds from a point and shoot. For example, I get better results from my Canon sx720 than I do from my GX-85 with the 14-140mm. Just my take. Anyway, thanks for another great video.
datapro007 thanks for that I haven’t used a point and shoot in a long long time so I wouldn’t know! But yeah m43 has some really nice high quality primes like the 20mm, super sharp the picture practically jumps out of the screen!
Awesome Kim. I am impressed by your review and it confirmed my own lens evaluation. Thank You :-) Also do more reviews because your presentation skills are excellent. Thank You again.
Good review but, as with all m43 kit lenses, copy variation can be the most significant variable. My P12-60 was the worst lens I’ve ever owned (circa 30 in total). It was soft with poor contrast. On the other hand, my 14-42 II is a dream to use and surprisingly competent.
thanks man glad to hear that. the 14-140 isn't a lens that i've used extensively so I try and stay away from commenting.. having said that, i have handled it at the shop, it's quite a nice lens! from what i recall it has decent sharpness and nice contrast for a zoom. The only reason i dont have it is because I don't really shoot that long and i prefer to have a weather sealed do it all zoom!
thanks man that's really encouraging, i've been away from youtube for a while dealing with stuff but trying to make a come back! you might have just made my day!
But maybe the 14-140 lens is a better choice for a do-it-all lens? I am contemplating either that or the 12-60, the extra reach of the 14-140 might be good, especially if the lens is not much bigger.
If you have time, please send Panasonic an email asking them to upgrade the firmware on the G85. They upgraded it on the G9 and GH5 to improve autofocus, but left the G85 in the dust! We need autofocus!
Sorry bud don’t think my email will do anything- cameras are made in different brackets, more ‘pro’ models, and more consumer models. When I say ‘pro’ I don’t mean consumer models won’t make you money or you can’t you use on professional shoots- this is just how the market is divided. And the G85 is classified as more of a consumer camera, while the G9 and Gh5 pro cameras. Basically the pro cameras will always get more support such as firmware updates while consumer ones hardly change after their initial specs (firmware updates are more to fix bugs than to improve performance). It sucks I know but the m43 system has never really had good af in video anyway!
@@KimCruz1 actually I have changed the minds of several companies. If you get enough people applying enough pressure, things get fixed. Especially when it can lead to bad PR for the company.
Nice review ! I got mine for 90 bucks and i am impressed by the build and image quality, even at 60mm i got some pretty sharp shots . Did you try the Leica 12-60 2.8-4 ? A review could be great :)
Yeah it’s a great all around lens! As for the pana Leica unfortunately I’ve only played with it a couple of times and don’t own it, however if you wanna see how it compares to the 3.5-5.6 version check out James Popsys comparison- basically his conclusion was it’s a bit better, but worth double? Probably not!
@@KimCruz1 Thanx for the fast feedback, i've seen alot of review but not this one, if its overall better it could interest me . i saw one used at ~350€... I was curious because some review said it was great and some just good ( ephotozine numbers ), some user feedback were also mixed, perhaps sample problems ? This 12/60 video impressed me : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-G65Gci8_eZY.html Alot of people praised the 25mm 1.7 when i hate mine sometime ( too many flares with mine ) so i gues i should just rent it and try it . These extra-stops could be usefull for a pro usage in addition to, maybe a sigma and the perfect 75mm1.8 . Thanx from France for your videos !
I own the 14 - 42, and I'm about to change it for barely used 12 - 60 that I found for $200... Worth it? Later I'll sell my 14 - 42 for 100 - $150 so think it can be a good deal... or not? Great video tho! *subscribed*
Man! Has been a while since your last video. As usual, great comparison and video. Would you believe that I am rolling only with GH4 and 14-42...? Managed to get that combo for just 600AUD. Used market price for 14-42 is only 100AUD while 12-60 is 400AUD here in Australia. So...great comparison but I still can't justify the 300bucks difference.
lol i KNOW!! It's been such a busy year so far but hoping it eases out and glad you enjoyed the vid! yooo the gh4 with the 14-42 for only 600AUD that's pretty good! i'm hoping some day the gh5 sells for around that price haha!
Hey man yeah it’s weird but looking back at this video now it does seem that way!! However I still remember conducting the tests myself and looking at both on my computer before making the video and the 12-60 was definitely better!
Hi Kim, thanks for the video.. recently i broke my tiny 12-32, and im planning to buy another kit lens.. but since my camera is such a family camera(i took mostly family trip videos, rarely do nature or macro) should i buy 14-42 or invested for 12-60? and by the way, does it compatible with my lumixGF10? thx before:)
Hey since that camera is quite small I'm more inclined to use smaller lenses like the 14-42 Olympus or the 12-32 Panasonic that you were using before.. but if you want a bit more quality and don't mind the extra size and weight, the 12-60mm 3.5-5.6 is hard to beat!
Shooting in RAW, doesn't what can then be done in post, either in-camera, or using software on a computer, mean all the contrast, sharpness and saturation issues that surround a certain bit of glass, are quite meaningless?
Hey man excellent question and that’s partly true but the long answer is a bit more complicated. Firstly if you’re shooting RAW, it’s most likely going to be only for photos unless you have a serious rig like a cinema camera. So in many cases, this will affect video shooters more because you usually have more latitude in photos. For raw photos- the contrast, saturation can be meaningless if you’re going to edit the picture. However, with lenses, especially vintage lenses, people just like ‘the look’ they give- and it’s hard and maybe impossible to replicate in post. Same with expensive Leica lenses- people like them partly because they have a look ie maybe the bokeh is super smooth etc etc these are things you can’t edit in later. As for sharpness- there’s a big difference in lens sharpness, and digital sharpening so you can’t really add this in post. Try this- go to Instagram and try and upload a picture but before you do, edit the picture and go to sharpening. Turn it all the way up- it’s ugly isn’t it? That’s what digital sharpening is like, it basically traces the black lines and makes them thicker. You will see this on lower end video cameras, especially in go pro type of cameras and even on drones. Real sharpness from a lens, especially from something like cinema lenses- they have a different effect- the image is ACTUALLY sharp and that’s partly why they cost closer to 50k for a set of 6 lenses (yeah no joke lol look up Cooke lenses on b and h) rather than the typical sub 1k price per lens. I’m sure there are plenty of videos where you can find that talk about digital sharpening vs lens sharpness for more on that thank goodness for RU-vid! One last thing is that if your lenses are giving different colors, it’s harder to work with them on the same project ie imagine being a wedding photographer or god forbid a videographer and getting slightly different colors from different lenses throughout the day- if you’re that guy and you’re serious about color grading- have fun correcting it all later to match! This is also partly why cinema lenses are sold in a set. Same color- so when your color grader does it for one scene, he isn’t doing another color grade for an alternate shot on a different lens in the same scene- just copy and paste that grade coz it’s supposed to be exactly the same. So basically, some of it you can edit in later, some of it not. Can I make an Olympus lens look like a Panasonic lens with some editing? Sure! Will it take time? 100%. And is it always worth it? Definitely not lol. If you’re serious about color in photography or videography- it’s easier to streamline your workflow. But can you match lens characteristics in the end? Sometimes yes, sometimes no!
hey man i always start here: av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/dsc/download/index.html but i think the process is basically the same as upgrading on the body! just download the right firmware update and follow instructions here: av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/dsc/download/fts/step1.html
Hi Kim, I want to get the Lumix GX80 as my first camera. It comes with either the 14-42mm or the 12-32mm lens. Ideally I would love to get the 12-60 mm but in my country the price level is higher. What's your opinion, should I go for the 14-42mm and potentially invest into a used 12-60mm later? Or should I go for the 12-32mm even? Since it's my first camera I want to have some playroom for exploration as I will likely take photos in mixed bunch of environments...love your review btw :D
Hey man if you want that versatility I could go with the 14-42. I think the most important part of starting out is getting a nice range of focal lengths in a lens- it’ll help you see what things you like to shoot and how you like to shoot them. Later down the line, you can refine your choices in lenses when you know what you really like shooting and what lenses are best for that- there’s nothing worse than buying a lens and never using it! Enjoy man :)
Great video! Which of the two lenses would be the best on the G7 for a streamer looking to upgrade from a webcam? I'm thinking the 12-60, but it's hard to know since I'm no camera expert.
sorry for the late reply man but here's my 2 cents- if i was a streamer, i would go with either of these lenses it almost doesns't matter.. where it does matter is having good lights! i know it sounds unsexy, but for streamers, having a nice lighting set up that can stay on indefinitely (plugged in) will do ssooo much more than a lens can!
A lot of people don't use wide-angle lens adapters due to the IQ, but it on the 14-42 it gives you a nice FOV for vlogging.
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Great content! Do you think it might be possible to take basic portraits with the 12-60? I was planning to get the 42.5mm for that specific purpose but I can't afford it yet, so i might stick with the kit lens of the g85 or then sell it etc.
Hey man for sure! Of course it's really good to have a dedicated portrait lens but if you can't afford it yet use the 12-60! Just experiment which focal lengths are alrighty because the longer focal lengths ie 25 and up tend to be softer- but I mean to many people that doesn't even matter! If I remember correctly if you want as much background separation with this lens use it at 60mm but check it out for yourself man!
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@@KimCruz1 thank you! if I get the g9 + Lumix 25mm f1.7, which other lens would you recommend me to compliment it for videos? Would the 42.5mm would be a good idea then? I would prefer to take advantage of the dual IS (on a budget lens and also another lens in a mid budget)
hey man sooo i normally like to use prime lenses but if i had to choose a zoom, i would go with the 12-60.. like i said in the review, the 12-60 is sharper, and honestly, if i was going out somewhere and could only bring 1 lens, the 12-60 would be it for the compromise in zoom range, reasonable sharpness and optical quality!
honestly not sure but most of the time these are just regional differences i.e. the stock config of region settings PAL or NTSC, or perhaps the kit lens they sell it with etc..
So, you finally cleared this enigma for me. I've recently bought a brand new Olympus PEN E-PL10, and was lingering on my decision of which one was better to buy. I have an offer on the 12-60 for 300$CD. What do you think? Your answer will be highly appreciated.
Hey man In retrospect when it comes to a choice between the 14-42 and the 12-60 I think the 12-60 is a clear winner. This 12-60 is almost as sharp as the 12-60mm f2.8-4... I'd take the 12-60mm f3.5-5.6 in a heartbeat and for that price I think it's fair! Just make sure it's not scratched or anything and in reasonably good condition!
@@KimCruz1 Is new and in its box. So, 300$ is ok for you. Thanks, Kim!!! And thanks for your instant answer to my question. I like your calm way to expose, your use of language, and the right words, same as the fact that the take is so professional. Keep on clicking. Keep on sharing. I'll keep watching you. Have a great day!!
It really depends on what kind of things you want to use your camera for! You can see that the 12-60 beats out the 14-42 but is it even really noticeable? Personally I would go the 12-60 if you think the extra zoom range is worth it, and when you are starting out, it is helpful because you have more access to different focal lengths and you can see what focal lengths you gravitate towards.
Same factors as the canon m50- the g7 has better quality overall but autofocus can be very important when you are just starting out. If you ask me, the aches and pains of bad autofocus will be worth it if you really want to learn. Otherwise the canon is much easier to use but you’re using an older system (dslr)
hey man it's great for that! The longer end of the lens isn't the sharpest but if you're gonna be hiking and you could only bring a minimal amount of kit, the 12-60 is at the top of my list!
@@MrFirstdance2000 actually i think a zoom would be fine for that! You can reduce the ISO by increasing the shutter speed, just keep your camera steady (bring a small tripod or sometimes you can get away with it using IBIS) and you should be good!
hey man i would recommend the 12-60 if you can get it with the camera (coz you get a discount in a lot of countries). however if you're getting it separately, either works. Only get the 12-60 if you can get it for around $350 or less (I think retail is around 500).
@@KimCruz1 Mr. Kim I just want to ask if do you have any problems connecting your Pana Lumix Camera to Pana Image App? My G85 wont connect to my Image App, Im using Iphone 7 plus ios13.5.1. After connecting my phone to the G85’s wifi, when I open the Image App it doesnt connect.
hey man let me keep this simple, go with the G7, especially if you see it on sale- this camera will do more than just RU-vid videos. I use this camera for all my video jobs, you can find a sample of it here: kimcruz.me/videos
Kim Cruz 14-44 lenses is good for vlogging for that wide angle look ? Does the G7 has lot of autofocusing issues ? I have never used a dslr it would be my first camera 😕
@@AjazUmarAnsari ahh in that case i a better option is the canon m50 but it is going to be more expensive (and in my opinion not as good in terms of video quality). However, it has great autofocus! The 14-42 will be decent for vlogging, but i would find a wider lens if possible, maybe the 12-32mm 3.5-5.6. The extra 2mm makes a difference but the 14-42 is good enough!
yes there is, but it is focus by wire so it's not that great to use! when you twist the ring it doesn't necessarily move the focus point very accurately
