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Nicholas James Ennis But the wrong information in how sensors work by telling people that sensor size matters and it makes gathering more light possible but what really matters is the signal to noise ratio that makes a high quality video and photo or it could make the quality look poor. It really matters on those so called eyeballs on the sensor in how they are designed but not the size of the total area of the sensor. Your camera is an image processor. Peace, Flood!
Velvet with butter on it... very listenable! From one white haired YT'er to another, it's nice to see a successful photography/video channel with a guy who's been around long enough to give us a mature perspective without the "What's up, RU-vid!", mentality.
Another exceptionally well thought-through and well-considered review, Hugh, thanks! My three principal takeaways are 1) Panasonic does "Voice of the Customer" well in understanding the needs (or use-cases, all of which eventually become product requirements) of their various customer market segments, 2) The GH5S was designed to meet the requirements of a specific use-case (professional-level videography) really, really well (and IBIS only gets in the way of that) and 3) that all the major offerings from the major brands now are so good that that, while there may be "statistically significant" differences between various brands, there really isn't much *practically significant* difference, i.e., differences that are meaningful the *real world*. In the 10 years that I taught statistics to my Design for Six Sigma students, I always stressed the latter, that was is truly important is not what is statistically measurable, but what is *practically significant*. This is a point that internet photo forum "specs geeks" would do well to do learn. Cheers!
So you know I have a gh5s. And I like it. But it's low light capability isn't what kept me on m43. It's been 10bit. And that's why I couldn't go with the A7iii, even though full frame is a very desirable feature. You can't live without 10bit if you want to deliver to clients. Lower light performance has increased opportunities for battery powered portable lighting. Which is also a big win.
I have a G7 and Panasonic has won me over. I am completely in love with my little M43 and next year i'm considering upgrading to the GH5s. This is a great down-to-earth review. Full-frame is great, but it is bulky, heavy and imo overrated.
Love your reviews. Really well put together with great VO quality i.e. you have a great voice ;-) Quick question. What about the the new Sony A7lll since its in the same price category to the GH5s?
Thanks! The a7 III is a KILLER value -- basically a detuned a9 for 60% less. As I say in the video, if you don't need 10-bit 4:2:2 or unlimited recording time, the a7 III has superior low light performance, AF and dynamic range, includes IBIS - for $400 less. See: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MUZMD7clX8Y.html
Great "non-review", thanks. I haven't considered considered the GH5s until now, but I need as much slow motion as I can get in bad, variabe light for some industrial video, so I guess it's time to jump then, and let my two GX8 bodies do the stills part for the future. Yes, and the new 10-25mm too.
As usual, brilliant review. Just added the GH5S to my Canon cinema lineup and it's amazing. Beautiful color and awesome options. Completely happy with the decision.
Great stuff, Hugh... long time subscriber. ... and yes, I need that T-shirt! So, a couple of thoughts. One, tell me why it is that most YT vids, including yours feel the need to amp up the music for slide shows, drone footage or whenever the talking head segues. When on headphones, it's painfully annoying when the music comes on twice as loud.... try it yourself and see what I mean.
57JackCaptain I DO use headphones! Maybe I need to have my ears checked; maybe I need to set a different audio level threshold when I look at my meters; or maybe I need to be seated and stop dancing to it. :) Taken under advisement!
I agree... it's the dancing! Honestly Hugh, your content is top-notch, and VERY helpful! I'm looking at these cameras now to decide what to buy, and your channel is extremely helpful, educational and you come across as very agnostic as to brand, etc. Thanks... and if all I could do is gripe about audio levels, that's a good thing. One more thing... are you planning any west coast visits, talks or venues? It would be great to hear/see you in those kinds of settings! Thanks again for the great content!
Brilliant, brilliant, BRILLIANT review!! I would love a GH5s, but it's way beyond my retirement pension range. I sort of need a "do all" camera, and the G9 fits "me" better. With all the talk lately about Sony's great A7III, it had me thinking of going that route. But at the end of the day, the G9 more than does what I want and will work with the M43 lens I already have. Thank you for a "reality" check that I needed!
I think high ISO tests need to be performed in lower light, like 1/30 f2 ISO12800 type of low light, which is 4 stops darker than the shot you took in the city. That's where real nasty noise starts to creep in the smaller sensors.
Great vid, again, Meister! In a format comparison, it should be considered that resulting DOF and Angle of View of any given lens is a function of sensor size, and whilst you can easily stop down a lens, it's far more difficult (or expensive) to have a low-f lens, expecially since FF 4/3 is factor x2. Manufacturing has absolute (minimum) fault tolerances, which would suggest lesser impact of errors at bigger sizes. Sony needs to change their political regime making 10 Bit accessible in their lineup to promote a true pathway to their professional line with some 'meaningful companion products'. Yes You Can have 10-Bit XAVC-I at 100Mbps, as you have in some camcorders. And Yes You Could listen to your customer in your forums Sony, not just provide meaningless lip service. Still waiting for A7SIII
"grain the size of capers" !! :p ... you make a good point tho regarding the camera. I almost bought one, but I want full frame. I have a DMC-L1 that's a 4/3rds camera. I got suckered into that scene and always regretted it. Albeit it's no comparison, has no video capability etc., but there have been SO many shots I wanted to get at night that are impossible short of doing time exposure and also it only goes to 1600 which is what I used to shoot Tri X at using DiaFine developer with much better results. I like Panasonic Cameras tho. I wish they made full frames.
Geez it's been so long; I don't know if I ever used that !! I think it was the same company, but DiaFine, it was two solutions, my brother turned me on to that, he used to use it to boost TriX to 3200 that's how it was hyped but that was a lot of grain. At 1600 you could get 5 x 7s but that was about it. If I recall he had a Nikon FTn with a 50mm f /1.2? maybe it was a 1.4 but it made a big difference compared to my 1.8.
The Building Sheriff white balance continues to be an issue with my tungsten key. I didn’t use AWB in the studio tests, where I use daylight balances lights. Thanks for the constructive challenge!
you say real DP light and with that note can we say technically the GH5 is even better than the GH5s ? or did we forget all the cinema centric options of the GH5 ? again ISO asid .
Great video :) That said, you can buy almost three A6300 for the price of the GH5s, and you will get decent AF, and better IQ. Ok, you will loose the great fully articulated LCD, and maybe your camera will overheat, but isn't the IQ what counts in the end of the day. I really don't understand the GH5s price, nor its bad AF.... the GH5s will be dead after the new Black magic pocket 4K camera be released for 1000$... also you can now buy the Fuji xT2 for 1000$...
Wrong, wrong, wrong! Bigger sensors don’t gather more light when the sensor is an image processor. The quality of the photos and videos depend on the signal to noise ratio set by the manufacturer. The better the signal to noise ratio the better the image on the video and photo.
You are correct. The key parameter for a digital camera sensor is *sensor saturation* during an exposure, which directly impacts S/N (and thereby dynamic range), not the size of the sensor. This is in fact why the GH5S has the low-light performance that it does; i.e.,a bigger "bucket" to gather light, thereby improving sensor saturation.
Hi Hugh, I think the reason that there is a perception that larger sensors gather more light is that because there is an an engineering constraint of sorts going on, between the pixel physical area (or pitch, or simply put "the bucket" size) and overall sensor real estate (the size of the sensor). This is because it is the amount of light gathered *per unit area* (and this thereby influences sensor saturation) in given time of exposure that is actually important. Let's take a hypothetical example of a 20 megapixel array on a M4/3, APS-C and FF size sensor. In order for the M4/3 sensor to have that resolution the pixels will have to be quite a bit smaller to fit on the M4/3 sensor than the APS-C or FF sensor pixels at the same total # of 20 mpixels. The larger pixels in the APS-C or FF sensor can therfore gather more light in a given unit time (of exposure), thereby increasing sensor saturation which then increases the S/N ratio. This is why larger sensors tend to produce lower noise at a given ISO than smaller sensor of the same resolution. If on the other hand, you increase the size of the "buckets", as Panny have done with the 10 megapixel GH5S, you can obtain comparable or superior sensor saturation, even on a smaller sensor. And you've shown just this in your nice video above, where the GH5S has high ISO performance comparable to much physically larger sensors. Its really about how much photonic energy in a given unit area can be captured in a unit time, and how much of that energy can be converted to signal relative to noise that is the key.
Well there is a hint of something vaguely correct in here. No the sensor doesn't work best when saturated, that will cause loss of signal due to clipping, it works best with the white level just below the saturation level. The histogram is always king, it needs to be well positioned for best exposure. The signal strength is totally dependent on the size of the sensor pixel; its a trade off between dynamic range and resolution, you choose but you cant have both. Given the measured signal the dynamic range is then dependent on the noise level so the black level must be set just above that. Note that this is an electrical signal, it has nothing to do with image quality. Image quality is set primarily by the lens, the shutter (yes the shutter, you dont want images with shutter shock), the quality of the signal preamps and most importantly the analogue to digital convertors before finally the processing engine. Noise can be introduced anywhere in that chain due to thermal and quantum processes. Poor processing will result in very bad image quality. In fact the sensor probably has least effect on image quality, its just a photocell. Note how good the image is on an iPhone if it has good light. A 12MP MFT sensor is always going to have better low light performance than a 40MP full frame sensor, pixel size is god but, far worse image resolution of course; your choice, all life is a compromise ;-)
Hi Vici, of course are you absolutely correct, the sensor would work best when signal is just below the clipping level. I used the term "saturation" with the point being that you want to get as much photonic energy into the pixel during the exposure unit time as possible, without clipping, of course. As you say, the histogram is always king. Thanks for bringing up the other points and the importance of the A/D convertors and image processor. In my view it's these two key functionalities that almost never gets discussed with respect to processed image file quality. Everyone thinks its about the sensor, and a camera is not (just) a sensor. There are many interactions going on that influences final "image quality". Cheers!
The Sony A7R3 sucks except for improved battery life. I would not buy it but rather go with the Fujifilm X-H1 Camera with a battery grip for $2,000. If you want ibis technology than this Fujifilm Camera has it.
