I really like your style. Sober & down to earth without sensationalism (please don't change it!). You really get down to the practical stuff of what it's like to use (like the nose on touchscreen problem). The best review of the S1 bodies I've seen.
There are workarounds to some of the issues you brought up: 1. You can program the front dial to exposure compensation while in AP mode. 2. You can use the shutter button to start and stop video recording.
Seriously thinking of buying the S1. I would much prefer a tilting screen to a fully articulated one for my type of photography. That tri-axis tilt (a la Fuji) looks ideal to me. The lenses are a bit on the expensive side, but much depends on how they perform.
Sigma's ART primes are releasing, too, and they're obviously amazing value. Plus there are first-party (i.e. 100% compatibility) adaptors if you wish to use your current SLR or rangefinder lenses: EF (2019), M, R, PL, SA (2019). And some third-party adaptors from Novoflex and Kipon. Sigma announced the EF-L adaptor (+14 primes + new m/l line) at Photokina ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qTSkz7mg7fI.html and stated during the interview with Imaging Resource that they had upgraded the L mount protocols specifically to assure performance with Sigma ART/Sports lenses www.imaging-resource.com/news/2018/10/02/sigma-interview-photokina-2018-ceo-kazuto-yamaki-give-peek-l-mount-alliance
Great job, Panasonic :) 6:20 I agree and that's why I always assign the exposure comp to the rear dial. I'm always in A mode anyway. I never use the dedicated exposure comp button.
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@@TheRealRichardWong loved the video and in depth review but I am kinda disappointed in the S1 which I was considering replacing my G9 with. 1.5X crop in 4k 60 makes me sad and removing the fully articulated screen also disappointed me. I was hoping this would be everything the G9 was but with a full frame sensor. I'll keep the G9 for a while longer.
It's really the high resolution sensor, the ability to shoot at same burst rate as S1 but double resolution and also the ability to create almost 200mp raw output from multishot high resolution mode
Sorry about making another super long review video. I've already separated out the video recording feature into the separate video and also trimmed a lot of footage but somehow it's still a 40mins+ video. If you want to skip to some certain topic, check out the time index in the video description. And remember to checkout my blog review for more sample photos and a few things I didn't mention in this review: www.photobyrichard.com/reviewbyrichard/panasonic-lumix-s1-s1r-in-depth-review/ if you have any questions about these two cameras or the lenses, which leave a message and I'll try to answer your questions
On the nose / touchpad issue - I have the same problem (making the focus area change size rather than move) and the cause is clear. On the G9 and GH5, about 1cm of space on the back left is used for the flippy screen hinge. But on the S1, the screen goes much closer to the edge so is bigger and so your nose touches it. I think a firmware update to provide an on/off switch for multi-finger gesture when in shooting mode would be useful.
that crosshair indicator when camera is shaky is genius, rest is not really impressive if you look at the cheaper competition, especially video features. Finally a really good review of these cameras, great work.
Thanks so much. Terrific. I love my G9 for travel, and am considering exchanging 5D4 for S1R for tripod landscape work because I'm sold on mirrorless and higher resolution. I print big, 30x45. Would the 24-105 stand up to that size? And would ISO 3200 stand up to that size?
How good is S1 for professional work as for Product, Architecture, Interior, Fine Art , Urban and Weddings? I am planning to go for S1 + 24-105 and 50 mm 1.4 setup!
The only thing that makes me day no is the lens selection right now at August 2019, but that should improves quickly with more native L lenses from all three manufacturers soon
Hi great review! I bought the S1R a couple of days ago. Wonderful camera! I just have a doubt about it. When turned on it heats up a bit in the bottom left corner. Does yours do the same? Thanks
Hi marco, yes the body does heat up a little bit after using for a while. But it never gets too warm at least here under relatively not super hot summer in New Zealand
@@marcovelliscig731 no worries. It's quite common for mirrorless camera to warm up a bit. So don't worry too much unless you notice something unusual happens as well.
The most excellent review about S1 i have seen. Photos in this review and 50mm f1.4 look so nice. I love your shooting. Your 5 videos about lumix S1 totally reassured me. Nearly all my questions about S1 are answered quite detailed. Now I can preorder S1 without any hesitation. Would you mind me reproducing these 5 videos in Chinese website? I want more people to see your reviews before they decide whether to buy it or not.
Hi ruolin, thank you and glad you like my videos. Yes feel free to share my videos I hope it will give people a more balanced view of the camera (system).
Great video as always I been thinking of buying the S1 but I'm concerned whether it's an upgrade from my G9 apart from low light performance and shallow depth of field. What's your thoughts???
The S1R is obviously an upgrade in terms of number of pixels, but only you can really decide whether the advantages of full frame outweigh those of micro four-thirds. I have the G9, and I'm seriously thinking of getting the S1, even though it is only a 4 Mpx improvement in terms of resolution. As you say, one has better control over depth of field with the larger sensor, and around a two stop better noise performance at high ISOs. I don't do video, so those features are of no interest to me.
@@Gynra the G9 also has better stabilization which I can say I use a lot, I can easily get a Sharp 1.3sec handhold. I think the S1 would be the one I would buy but I will need to compare the images.
If you shoot photos only, the high ISO (or just overall improvement) image quality is well worth the upgrade. But it's not cheap and the camera is also a lot more heavier than your G9. So maybe give it a try in real world , hold it in your hand and see if you can live with the extra weight and size?
@@TheRealRichardWong I think you're right I will know once I've held it, I really would like to know when they will be releasing a super telephoto lens. As I'm really liking my 100-400mm shooting wildlife and aircraft.
Mr. Wong, only thing stopping me from ordering one now is the Autofocus. I will be doing a lot of gimbal work or wedding photography, looking forward to your final release tests, you are the best!
@@TheRealRichardWong That would be amazing. I am also wondering about the handheld low light performance while walking. This reveals noise patterns or possible blocking and artifacts.
Great review once again Richard!! Well done. I heard your comments on the focus tracking. Question: How would you compare the continuous/tracking AF on the S1 vs the Nikon Z6? Which one is more reliable for moving subjects or where you need to react more quickly? Any other overall comments comparing the S1 vs the Z6? Thanks very much!
Excellent review/comparison, Richard! As a landscape and product photographer currently using a Fuji X-System X-T3, I am strongly considering a move to FF, specifically either the Lumix S1 or the Nikon Z6, which I understand you have both. As I'm a sharpness and detail fanatic, especially in my large prints, can you please tell me if the Panasonic 24-105 f/4 combined with the S1 (possibly in High Resolution Mode) would be sharp enough to produce a very sharp and detailed 30" x 40" print? Also, can you recommend a good Macro lens (for the S1) for small product photography? Or, would the 24-105 f/4 at optimum aperture, be sufficient for this as well? Thank you!
Hi Steve, I was going to reply to the comment you left on the other video but can't find it for some reason. Anyway, the S1 would be better for product and landscape photography because of the high resolution mode. Sorry can't answer question whether it's sharp enough for 30" x 40" print, as "sharp enough" for me might not be the same for you. But it will be definitely a lot sharper than what your X-T3 can output especially in high res mode. The 24-105 would be a great semi-macro choice but if you don't mind doing manual focus yourself, I would recommend you check out the macro lenses from Laowa. They make some really great macro lenses and my understanding is they have just released L-mount version for quite a few of their lenses so definitely check them out! www.venuslens.net/
@@TheRealRichardWong Hi Richard, Thank you very much! I've been in a quandary between the Nikon Z7, Canon R6, or this S1. Based on your superb reviews on the S1 System, I think I will go with it, plus some lens options you suggest. I'm very anxious to see the results I obtain! If interested in what I do with the Fuji X-System, feel free to email me steve[at]totalqualityphoto.com. Thanks again!
Hey and thanks for awesome reviews! May I ask, have you had a time to test the slowest possible shutter speed for the high res shot? In the G9 it was 1 second. In the Olympus E-M1 Mk II it's 60 seconds which makes it hugely useable to high res sea scapes. Has Panasonic kept their 1 second limit or has anything changed? Thanks again!
Right now both the S1 and the S1R are about 100 dollar difference used and was wondering which one would you go for? I’m primarily photo but do video just a bit. Also, how’s the sigma 24-70 with the newest firmware?
S1 has better low light performance and slightly better overall video performance. Otherwise S1R definitely has the resolution advantage! Sorry I didn't have a chance to test the latest S1/H FW yet.
Nice Job. Very nice - One question, the the S1 have the option to pull pack on the noise reduction like the GH5/GH5-S? (NR +/-) On my GH5 I pull back all the NR because post NR is was more surgical and accurate than real-time, in-camera NR. Thanks!
How much detail is really gained from High Resolution Mode? You cover what it is, and the modes, but don't really discuss how effective it is. And this feature is one of the main drivers for this camera.
Could I just ask you Richard, does the improvement over the Z6 at video high-iso carry over the moving images or is the S1 somehow realising it's not moving and simply averaging the frames for best quality? Looks to be about 2 stops advantage which is crazy.
The advantage over the z6 appears to be the same when shooting non static scenes as well. Panasonic has a lot more experience in video maybe that's why they managed to obtain better high ISO video quality ?
As I already have a large collection of Nikon lenses, which cover virtually everything I needed for my professional jobs, so it would be un-economical for me to switch to other brands as I have to re-buy everything again out of my pocket. But I will be using a pair of S1/s1r to shoot a wedding tomorrow so I can share with you a bit more about how good is it for wedding photography which can be very demanding sometimes
@@TheRealRichardWong That would be fantastic and I look forward to your results. If you have the chance could you perhaps take some high iso shots and video? Thank you again!
@@TheRealRichardWong Thx for reply. I meant what are the raw compression choices, is there a lossless compression option? You seem thrilled with the 50mm, any flaws beyond size/weight price? Have a good day.
With the AF response when an external screen is attached, could that just be the camera assuming video shooting and deliberately smoothing out focus changes?
Hi Clint I do not know the exact reason for sure. My assumption is because it needs to output HDMI, so it needs to drop the display and hence processing frame rate to match the output. But I could be wrong
14:00 there is a lighter Sensor that tourn off the display if I block the Sensor with your face, so you shouldn't be able to use the touch auto focus accidentally
The exposure compensation on my Em1 mark 2 is indeed better implemented. Which is about the only better implementation Oly has to my mind btw...Best review to date and Richards reviews are always one of the best.FF is not for me. I have a D800e and well...to me the difference is there for sure on one hand but it is rather small compared to my Oly Em1 mark 2. These Panny cams are large and that simply means that their mFT will continue to exist since they must have figured out that if you want smaller you get a GX9 or Gh5 or so. If you do not mid size too much these will do. Expensive? I do not feel the S1 is expensive at all as compared to the competition. Build quality is topnotch, EVF is topnotch, weathersealing is the best out there. great IBIS. Too bad though that Panny is seems to be so addicted to its CDAF AF system. It is on one hand quite a feat and it is good but it is simply not up to Sony's AF. OSPDAF is needed for as long a DFD does not cut it I feel.
Thank you! My conversation with Panasonic tells me they are definitely continuing their development of m43 camera products. But (my own interpretation) understandably a lot of their resources will move to the full frame system in the near future as they got a pretty aggressive lenses roadmap. Re DFD Vs Hybrid AF, yes right now the hybrid one still has advantages but also remember a lot of the advance development such as AI base algorithm are not rely on phase detection system and that will get interesting as it's more and more relying on computational and machine learning algorithms as it's very close to the basics of DFD system. Analysis image and use the result to drive the autofocus system. I am still waiting for the final firmware to come and see how is the continuous autofocus performance.
Noticeably bigger and heavier than both Z and D750 It's the biggest mirrorless camera but also the one that is most solid and only one that feels like a pro camera
@@TheRealRichardWong Huh. I like the size, but maybe not the weight. For a 1000 gram camera, I'd probably stay with the D850. Also, ugh, those lens prices... whew. Gonna need a second job! :)
How do you think is the S 24-70/4.0 vs. Nikon, Canon or Sony equivilant? Is the image quality on par or better? Would be great if you could upload some example images in the L-Mount Forum www.l-mount-forum.com. Thanks!
Hi there, I haven't really done too much testing on the lenses apart from the 50 1.4. but so far I do really like what I have seen. Sorry haven't get around to post any images yet working on the 50 1.4 review right now
Richard - Your examples of the S1 vs the Z6 are VERY important. (possibly more than you realize) It has been speculated that Panasonic would be using the IMX410 sensor that is used on the Nikon Z6 and A&-III. (This is a fact on these cameras) However, your video clearly shows there is a strong performance gap between the S1 and Z6. This could lead many of us to believe this is NOT a Sony BSI sensor after all! Since last year, Samsung has been shipping it's IsoCell technology sensors to a "Japanese client" but will not say who. Your examples might be our FIRST indication that this Samsung rumor "could" be correct! It's still very hard to say and we wont know for sure until Tech Insights X-ray's the S1 sensor and reveals who makes it. I think you are on to something here! You have the only channel right now that compares this mystery S1 sensor to Sony's BSI IMX410. Can you please post additional S1 vs Z6 footage in another new post? This is big news in the sensor world! If this IS a Samsung sensor?,... this would be the first major "crack" in Sony SemiConductor's armor and their dominant EXMOR technology that we have seen in recent years.
@@LeesChannel - Perhaps, but I don't think so. How many "excellent" TowerJazz sensors have you seen the the wild? That Leica? (It's nothing special) So far, I have not seen one TowerJazz sensor that even comes close to Sony EXMOR or Samsung ISOCell. Plus, does TowerJazz have a foundry that can fab this many S1 and S1R sensors a month?
Hey cliff, interesting comment (and thanks for the email as well) would be good to see some very competitive sensor from other manufacturers as monopoly isn't good for consumers :)
@@TheRealRichardWong - Yes,...I'm an admitted Sony fanboy that just pre-ordered the S1..lol. For years Sony has dominated sensor technology and fab. They own dozens of major architecture patents that draw companies to fab with them to gain access to those patents. "If" (BIG "if") this really is a new Samsung IsoCell (non BSI) sensor that is REALLY beating the IMX410 BSI chip,...this is big news! Your comparison footage is something that even Sony SemiConductor themselves would be interested in! If this is NOT a Sony sensor, they want to know where is comes from and WHY it beats their prized IMX410! Please, if you can, take your comparison footage and make a longer more comprehensive look at the Z6 and S1. 400% side by side crops would be great as RU-vid compression sucks. I'm sure you will get many views from Sony SemiConductor engineers! If this is NOT a Sony sensor than it has broken Sony's monopoly. We dont know yet, this is all speculation, absolutely. But your test footage is REAL and not gossip. More people need to see this. Thanks for having the foresight to put these two sensors head to head!
@@clifftotten7609 Just asked Richard a similar question. Looks like the S1 has around a 2-stop advantage at video over the Z6 but it's a non-moving subject so they could be employing some kind of frame averaging rather than a new sensor.
Gotta say it looks pretty impressive. I’m still a bit skeptical about how well this system will catch on given they are starting from scratch, but it will be interesting to see.
Marian Kotúč yes that’s the question. How soon will sigma be releasing lenses for this. And what will they cost? Probably more expensive than the Sony mount versions, I’d guess. True there are some Leica lenses but most are manual focus and like you said they are pricy.
With Panasonic, Leica and Sigma all official behind this brand (and i'm sure a lot of other companies will also create L mount lenses without license), I feel this system will have a good library of lenses very soon
Would you say you noticed pincushioning on the g9 though in comparison Richard? I am amazed at how little it's mentioned in reviews and am just wondering if it's lack of observation, bad eye sight, evf manification, lens selection or I am expecting too much. I picked up a G9 recently without knowing about the evf issues and was sorely disapointed. I'll cross my fingers they got it right with the S1/S1r EVF (zero distortion and no egde/corner blur) and step my game up big time from my g9 dreams or get an optical full frame on the run out. Keep up the good work Richard.
I would say I honestly didn't really notice it initially, then later on I starting to notice it but it doesn't bother me to much even when I pick it up again recently. I guess it's either my bad eye sight or maybe my brain automatically apply some distortion correction haha
I really wanted this till I seen the prices. I dont understand why the lenses are so expensive. It's still on my mind as I wont be moving off Panasonic(Yeah Im a fanboy. Shoot me), but it will be a while before I lock it in. I wish there will be third party lens builders like Rokinon and Laowa joining in the L mount alliance with some cheap but good lenses. Im Happy with my G85 for now
Sigma ART will be very affordable and shouldn't be too far away. And after talking to a few third party lenses manufacturer recently I can say there certainly will be some other more affordable lenses coming as well
An excellent review. Since you pointed out about your nose touching the screen, just wait to Jared Polin reviews the cameras. His nose will turn red. I would like to see some shots of moving objects especially animals to demonstrate the tracking capabilities.
LOL yes I don't have a big nose and usually don't have issues with nose touching screen. Will see if i can shoot some more photos of flying/moving objects and will post the result on my website
Just an alternative point of view on the button placement. I nearly always shoot manual, so don't care about the compensation button, and I manually set my white balance. I hope Panasonic don't change the button positions based on one photographer's feedback. I'm disappointed that one of the advantages of FF - more light on the sensor - is negated by the release of f4 zooms. The 50mm is ridiculously expensive. As the owner four Lumix cameras, I was looking forward to the release of S1 to replace my Canon 5D Mark III, but the slow lenses and prohibitive prices relative to the Sony ecosystem make the A7IIII seem more attractive. Good review.
you say this camera is not designed for high end video, and you say the GH5 is highend. Well you need to look at this in detail - because when they release the paid upgrade and this baby can do true V-Log in 10bit, 422, it will blow the GH5 out of the water, the sensor is also redesigned, with better colour science, so i feel its incorrect to say it will do lesser quality then the GH5 .using true V-Log and a better sensor, it will in my opinion offer fantastic video quality. hope thats helpful.
Hi @@shawnsteuer9951 the S1 can do full width 4k at 30p, it is only cropped when 60p is used. Also, Yes, your right the GH5 can do 10bit 422, but the GH5 cannot do 10bit, 422, in VLOG, and this was my point, the point that true full VLOG (same as one used in the variflex cinema cameras) - will give you a better quality of picture and colour than the GH5. I think the GH5 is a great camera, but im just saying the S1 should give better quality when using the true VLOG from Panasonic - also the S1 should be able to do full raw, in 12bit to an atoms ninja 5, same as the Nikon Z6 later this year.. all these facts I believe make the S1 a better option for video, -- plus some people also prefer full frame.. although I agree it doesn't make a huge difference.. anyway, hope that helps and wishing you a great day! :)
No Cody, they still have more micro four thirds product on their road map coming out in the future. But definitely the priority right now is the L mount system
you can checkout my other video i did some vlogging test at the end: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FWNgYY3bfmw.html but yes i don't think it's a great camera for vlogging because of the size of the body/lens and no flip out/fully articulated screen. But if you talking about sony a7 series, they aren't great for vlogging too for similar reasons (their bodies are a bit smaller, but lenses would be quite similar)
How many ppl are excited for these new cameras,not because am going to buy,but because it makes the likes of GH5,GH5s and A7II and A7III affordable for us to finally get🤣🤣🤣😂
Yes, first-party adaptors: EF (mid-2019), M, R, PL, SA (mid-2019). And some third-party adaptors from Novoflex and Kipon. @@TheRealRichardWong Please review the Sigma EF-L adaptor when it releases in a few months. Sigma announced it at Photokina ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qTSkz7mg7fI.html and stated during the interview with Imaging Resource that they had upgraded the L mount protocols specifically to assure performance with Sigma ART/Sports lenses www.imaging-resource.com/news/2018/10/02/sigma-interview-photokina-2018-ceo-kazuto-yamaki-give-peek-l-mount-alliance
Camera appears to be very impressive accept it is too large and heavy to be a good choice for street and travel for both still and video, too low FPS to be a good choice for sport or nature and has the ergonomics, esthetics and sex appeal of a hypo. I, honestly can not think of a photo area this camera would be a "best" for. Lastly, lenses available for this camera are either very expensive or very heavy compared to their peers. If given this camera, the first things I would do is rasp and sand every edge so as to avoid finger cuts and purchase a back brace. The idea of removing mirrors for the advantages of electronic view finders has clearly been thrown away by Panasonic.
Christ, how big is this thing! It's the size of a mirrored dinosaur 🦕 📸 I didn't know that a pro camera should be a big monster. I can see your arm straining under the weight.
Excellent review RW. You confirmed my purchase order! FD/AF is fixable via firmware update! 30 year Nikon shooter moving to a true Hybrid camera system!
The Panasonic S1 60p Limitations / Specs Suck There is a Recording Time Limit and a Crop With 60p it's Disappointing especially with the Higher Price i Was Looking Forward To Full Frame 60p i Would Be Surprised if this Camera Sells a Lot Of Units its Not Going To Be Like The GH5 Sales O Well i Will Pass
Panasonic? Never again! I love your videos are all in all seems Panasonic has a huge quality problem on the curren production models like the G9. On my G9 the rubber gets loose (SD card door & thumb grip) after 5 month and only 1000 photos in best studio / home condition. Panasonic will not cover the repair costs of 173 Eur although the glue was forgotten already in factory and my camera is only one of a lot of others. I will now get my camera unrepaired back. I will sell my whole Panasonic equipment and wished your chanel will also have a look on the long term quality. Made in China with a non functional quality gate. I canceled also my pre order of the S1 with 24-105. Panasonic? Customer service? Never again. regards Jog
You really need 43 min to review a camera. Most Viewers run out of concentration/patience after 15-20min. My suggestion review the ESSENTIALs (also cut down on impertinent comments) within 20min the rest of the nonessentials put on your website.
@@TheRealRichardWong I appreciated your review, and enjoy long reviews and short reviews, as long as they're sincere, inventive and instructive. I watch in doubletime or skip if I'm looking for something specific or pressed for time. A long review clearly affords greater scope and deeper depth.
Richard Wong if someone says they don’t like long videos, they don’t want the information. Don’t modify your length of your videos. Keep up the great reviews!
