Pandemic Horde. Is it still worth in 2024 joining? 

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As a fellow Solo/small-gang PVP enjoyer and content creator, I found the video to be greatly amusing and it perfectly encapsulates the state of null blocs in 2024. In terms of PVP, Brave, Horde, and others offered great PVP content several years ago. Now, however, as you have seen for yourself, they only care about “zkill green” which is why they absolutely stomp anyone who ventures into their space, especially with Marauders. Null blocs utilize “strength in numbers” i.e. bringing a massive blob of F1 monkeys. I didn’t want to be “just another number” and instead I prefer to fly solo/small-gang, retaining that sense of individuality, actually having fun piloting your ship (i.e. not just F1). I am new to your channel but see that you have done a solid amount of Solo PVP as well, so I’m sure you can understand the gist of what I’m saying. On the other hand, you might not be familiar with the idea of small-gang playstyle. Small-gang can be defined to be flying with

Pandemic Horde is offering all possible oppertunities to his members a Nullsec Alliance can offer. There are all kinds of PvP not only blob fights, like some people claim. There are several FC's running roaming gangs and other stuff. But you don't have to do PvP all the time. You are not forced to do anything by the Alliance. You can do your own stuff if you want. There is a bunch of PVE possibilities starting from guided newbie mining events. Experienced players can easily make several hundred million isk an hour in different ways, supported and secured by your alliance mates. Yes, there are rules. But you need rules if thousand of players interact with each other, sharing the same space and resources. Pandemic Horde is extremly Newbie friendly, makes it easy for his members to explore their opertunities in Eve step by step, helps them to grow and getting rich. Without bullying other Eve players by braindead asshole moves like other Nullsec Alliances.

Esi checks should be required. In a game like this letting an enemy in can cause you to lose everything.

PH: Only post fleets where we look good. Goons: Ye, we just fed marshals and a poggerhead - go have a laugh!

Joined Goonswarm in 2011, still in, PH thx for the feeding Content for all those years and to come.

if someone tells me i have to do a background check to join a group in a video game i will politely and firmly say Kiss My A#! its a video game not a application for the CIA im trying to have fun and escape the BS of real life not inject that BS into my video game

4S is recruiting! Gf btw. I fly regularly with the tengu fleet at GSF. I feel your video is fairly accurate and describes well what null sec life can be like. If you do get kicked perhaps join the other side and compare views? Could be a interesting video.. Fly safe.. Peek

Thank you for your points. Love your videos and the honest feedback you give. I joined a nullsec alliance only 3 months after starting Eve. Was a very hard learning curve as we were in FIRE coalition and I lost all my assets in that war. Our corp then joined Goons. I really enjoy Goons and just wish our enemies woukd fight more often. Recently we've had a lot of fleets where we go out and then put enemies don't fight. Got on the X47 KM last year that was lots of fun

Love horde and large scale fleet fights. Trash talk is part of the pvp game. No one means anything by it.

Hi, how nice to see a video of yours again, it's always a pleasure, I really enjoy your way of making videos and approaching the EVE from a casual and direct point of view, without any restrictions or disrespect. I love your videos. Regarding Pandemic Horde, I guess it happens the same as in many places, I'm a player since 2006 and I've seen how everything changes. The fear of spies and the lack of imagination in the game has made that the large PVP is simplified to hit F1, a shame, because this way you never learn anything new and you end up having sheep in your army instead of wolves. What I like most every time I play EVE with more people is to be taught to sharpen my claws and teeth, not blindly follow an order that I don't know what it leads to. Pack or solo... be a wolf my friend.

I was in horde over a year and regularly lead home defense standing fleets in USTZ. Had a lot of friends there and we killed it in PvP! Went on a filament roam one time and accidentally killed one player that apparently was "Blue" to us, even though they weren't, and leadership failed to pass this information down to us grunts lol. I had some random guy from leadership I had never heard of jump into our comms with an attitude - I legit asked "Who are you?" and he banned me from PH immediately without even saying who he was. I still don't know to this day lol. I paid for the guys ship that we killed and they were cool with it, but PH didn't care and still banned me and my whole fleet of 16 players for causing a "Diplomatic Issue", even though the pilot/corp guy we killed was cool and said it was an honest mistake. Real morale here is PH leadership has a weird ego, tread carefully. If they turn their backs on you for whatever reason, it makes it really tough to get into any other major corporation. Luckily, I got picked up by a reasonable group :)

Well they don't like turning up for fights in Catch :)

I really didn't have an easy time in Pandemic Horde, but I still tried to paint a neutral overview for you. Here are some comments that i was facing with: "DON'T get surprised if you get booted and blacklisted for spying." "DON'T record any comms!" "DON'T upload any feed from Horde" (Oh, I will!) "We DON'T want to fuel the Goon propaganda machine." "The ONLY two explanations for hiding ISK transfers are 1) Hiding RMT (Real Money Trading) 2) Hiding funding transfers to spy accounts." What are your experiences with 0.0 sec alliances? Is it worth joining? I'm looking forward to your feedback ! 🙂

I do Belive that home security fleet are ment to be unfair... The goal is to remove the intriders guarantee safety and discourage other intrusion... We should see it as a "player concord police" kida thing... Also... If you have a huge fleet you cant really say hey you stay doked wile we having fun... Better to disrizpect intruders than your own members

come check out goons, the culture is a complete 180 from horde!

If I only put videos of us\me doing good, I would never have any content to post :P I like what you did here, I hope to see more "is it worth" videos.

This is why I love NPC null. Best of all worlds! Syndicate for life!

I've been in a smaller null sec group for 100 days and had a great experience overall. Sometimes it's frustrating not having the security to do some of the PVE content I want to in peace, but the people all know each other, there is a much greater element of knowing your corpmates and enjoying their company, and i get the level of PVP content I want to without feeling overwhelmed. I think EVE would do doing better if it supported smaller null groups over blobs.

6:08 * lol "we dont wanna fuel the goon propaganda" ... It seems like several FCs have been well aligned with the party line. 🙂

Karmafleet is recruiting :)

Awesome, a new video! As a noob I enjoy these very much

Hi! I regularly leave and return to EvE, now your videos made me return again with a fresh character, so thanks! I used to be part of large null-sec groups for short times. I really loved to participate in large fleets, even tho I usually was only an e-war frig or tackler following the pilots with the big toys, but it felt I was part of something big and important. However, I really hated the rules and regulations of such groups. I can't do this in X system, I can't do that between Y and Z timeframe. I can't join to a fleet because I have only a t1 version of one damn module instead of t2. No matter otherwise my ship is perfectly fitted, one module is not perfect and I can't join. Last time I left the game I had to register on at least 4 different websites, 3 discord servers, gave my api code to at least two different parties and when I tried to join a fleet they said I can't cause I need to register on a fifth website, create a cold clone ingame and link it to a server.. I didn't even understand half of what they wanted from me and at that point I totally lost it and just left the game alltogether. Never again... Bigger corps and alliances just makes your life harder and suck the fun out of the game.

I agree with many of your points, as a new player it would be very hard to make a living and have fun in null sec. The money makers are very slow and uneventful. I think that some people may like the play style of being a f1 button presser and watching action unfold. I dont agree that lowsec is the best, im baised but i think wormhole corps are the best. Lowsec can have many ups and downs and is very dependent on the amount of bling and money you can play with. In wormholes, most fights are brawly and more dependent on intel, not how much money and factoon ships you throw at it. Thanks for the video, it was very entertaining and have a good day😊

Nice explaining Ami,I am self looking for big Corp that cant get war dec like old Brave Empire but I saw they were closed ,I like to do my things and some times join them in low sec and 0 sec I don't need any thing from Corp even I help Corp if I can with joining them in fleet ,its game for me but I see most require many things from you and for me its game ,unfortunaly couldnt find any Corp for me so I play solo

I've not played or seen an EVE community video pass by my screen in a while, and this was rather fantastic! I do think about EVE sometimes and if it could be something I could play again...

Cool video! Would totally be interested in seeing a follow up in another one, like INIT or Goons

DId you stop making content for Eve? Ive been enjoying your videos recently but noticed you haven't posted in a while. Hope you're still enjoying the game :)

The maincorp has always been trash, if you wan't better experiences join smaller corps under the umbrella or the api gated specialized corps where you can get some responbilities and chance to grow.

Home defense fleets for sure arent for honorable fights. They are to keep space safe and functioning. Every minute a hostile fleet is around is a potential loss of income and potential loss of infra or ships. As nullsec is a N+1 kind of pvp style, outnumbering is simply the go to strategy

Can you join us and do one on goons too, then do one on FRT I'd be interested to see what its like over there.

As someone who ran low/high alliance, but also alts in main null blocks. All have restrictions and thus to be able to either freely enjoy or access all parts of eve space it often best to have alts in both empire space and null sec etc. Even used to News camera fights on twitch for a while but live battle coverage can be anothering thing completely. Interesting to see how Horde - so there basic recruitment upwards. Politics of not showing, talking about stuff - filming, or even fair fights was always hard. Still takes me a while to loose the old mindset of Pandemic I had when they were rented MErc roaming around null to what in recent years is Panfam etc.

Awesome vid

The politics in a fcking video game... damn... Why some people take eve so seriously, am I missing something? You should make a video about that too ;) Let's call it "what is wrong with you nerds?" ;)

i started in like 2011 (maybe 2012 idr) and joined Test as a 2-weeks fresh pilot, they were in Delve at the time. i didn't even know i could group my guns. i think as a new player, joining a nullbloc can give you a jumpstart at learning a lot of the game mechanics you wouldn't normally get into if you stayed in highsec. the 'blue umbrella' gives you easy access to relatively decent income as a newer player, and you meet a number of different people. i think i stuck with it for about a year, and just got really bored tbh--it's just not for me--each day was just line ships, logi or if you're involved in the cap wing, maybe dropping a dread or triage. i appreciate a lot of the smaller groups at this point, working in small gangs, playing a more specific role, lowsec/wormhole focus. i think i would have just been watering down my own experiences in eve if i had stayed solely in a nullbloc--but everyone's looking for something different out of the game, and i respect that.

Haven't played in several years, but was the last corp I had a char in. Wasn't a bad corp then apart from almost everything being based around a US timezone...

Brave newbie defectors and using the same approach as us they were started by a PL spy that was with us in 2014 by saying newbie friendly. try joining brave newbies to get the original Newbie feeling.

While I 100% understand your reasoning for not doing ESI checks as a content creator, it is a little unfortunate as I think being able to join one of the smaller corps within horde would help resolve some of the issues you experienced. I’m a member of a horde corp on the small-medium size, and I enjoy going on fleets with the main alliance quite a bit. But when I want smaller scale PvP or just a closer knit community, my corp will often get together as 5-10 people and do small roams or mining fleets and just hang out together. It seems to me like you scratch that itch just fine hanging out in lowsec which is cool, just saying those smaller communities do exist under the horde umbrella too, either in smaller corps or “sigs” (basically interest groups). Thanks for the video! I’m sorry to hear that you’re getting so much grief about it, I’m pretty disappointed to hear that.

Usually it goes like this: you go to staging with 20 ships and Horde feeds ~4bil before a 100+ man fleet arrives and kicks you out ^^ Pros in null are making that isk, cons are you need to follow other peoples rules. I never joined a big group.and I don't want to. But I'll go solo or with some friends to Nullsec one day when the Minmatar Republic dies or something like that.😢

I know a lot of stuff. just rather not post it here and argue with people. the game does have Ups and downs with every corp you enter . I say just find a corp you are happy with and stick with them

btw, if they kick you, you should jouin goons and see that mighty goons propaganda horde is afraid of :D

As someone who has been in horde for about a year: literally anyone can be an fc and fire really shouldn't be one

I'm not much on following orders. So I solo.

Sounds like you would really enjoy Brave

I did a tour in Null-sec in 2009. Just after the BOB alliance got "deleted". Ended up picking one of the left over corps. They established themselves in Stain. Or were trying to. With no "blue" space to all their own and most of the players in US timezone, when I logged in on a Saturday morning to go and try and make some money or even explore the area, it was full of neuts and reds and no blues. So you sat in the station. Then when the rest of the folks logged on around 4pm my time we would go out on a PVP roam and die. When the ISK ran out I was told to clone jump back to high-sec to make some ISK and then to spend 20Mil ISK on the frieghter jump to bring my own battle ship. Then I had to scrounge, bed, borrow and steal modules to fit it.... poorly. I couldn't even find sentries and went out on the first fleet with T1 mediums! Useless. Didn't get blown up though and when I quit they did "gift" me a jump out of the BS as a leaving gift. Dropped it in Reblier! I'm considered going back out to null, but after another 5 year break I am back, but changing things up, I moved to low-sec, upgraded to 3 accounts and am trying to "nomad" / "solo" my settling in to my new home. Finding a lot of fun as the initial "fear" and nerves even undocking have softened up. The stress comes down with both successful escapes and losses. The more experience you get with both the less freaked out you are moving around. PVP. I find it difficult to roam and look and find targets. Don't get me wrong, I can find targets, but I just run out of "will" to spend time hunting them down to get a warp in and even then, I'm honestly not the kind of person who wants to kill random strange players in ships that can't shoot back. I am still self-sourcing/building/hauling in a T1 PVP ship stock pile. While the most PVP roamers who come through come from the C3 Wormholes that always seem to open in my home system and hare particularly scary... I am hoping to find a fair target eventually. I have spotted someone ratting in a vexor for example. That could be conceived as a valid combat target and also competition. I think I might just move up to a T1 cruiser, vexor maybe as I have 2 tones with excellent drone boat skills and... a third as bait. If I can master multiboxing them in combat that is. Currently I'm only building up to running 2 toons on field at once. 3 will take a bit more practice and technique.

I have decided to never again join an Alliance for the rest of the time Eve is alive. Gamers, make your own corps in High Sec, get rich, then troll Null Sec people by using Filaments to go in and disrupt things.

Ex-Goon here: We were instructed to plant spies in Horde to cause chaos and havoc inside PH during the papi-war. That's probably one of the main reasons why PHI characters couldn't be easily trusted.

I'm in and I'm having a good time. Amused by all the salt and shitposting.

I know that Imperium has Brave Newbies for easy access to 0.0, without PvE restrictions. Does a similar corp exist in Pandemic Horde? One with api/background checks but very casual approach to the game (like Brave Newbies)?

good job

Too bad you dont get a "storytime" like we get in any goonswarm fleet .

PL used to be great back around 2009-10. I recall fighting Body Count and North Eastern Swat fleets. Always had medium sized fun fleets. Never great blobs.

Sorry to be that guy but the word "horde" is just pronounced like "hord", I understand you were saying it as it would be in German but in English a lot of Es on the end of words are silent

I have just put in my application to the hord but now I don't think I wont to know.

'Fair and honorable fights'. It really shows you don't live in nullsec much. It's all about what Tom Hardy said here. "Big fucks small."

I remember when Kismeteer joined PH after after some time in goons. He literally said the same thing you said about spying and no one batted an eye.

Renting is cancer, join a small PVP group

Karmafleet is recruiting!

Ami, if you can, give goons a try. I was part of the crowd that thought they were bad for the game until my friend invited me to come join. They are not the same as the Goonswarm of the past and aren't a net negative to null sec and EVE itself like Horde is. Toxic leadership, no fun allowed, and blobbing are Hordes standards. Are there blobs from Goons? Yes, but we are also more than happy to take fights if they will be fun even if it looks like we will lose. Why? Because its content for our members. Keep up the great videos! Look forward to your future adventures.

Fighting horde standing fleet is an absolutely miserable experience. When me and 4 or 5 of my corp mates go anywhere near MJ- in some navy cruisers and an assault frigate looking for a small scrap, a bit of fun flying around on the grid.. we are met with a gigantic rabid blob and then get shit talked for not wanting to fight 75 people

WH is the place to be. Be sure to give WH a try. Fly safe capsuleer!

Funny thing is everyone says “the game is better when there are smaller fleets and tighter groups running around all fighting each other” Yet a lot of people are stil in these mega bloc alliances, blue to 2/3 of the game . Sad.

okay so ez-pz Horde=Toxic and restraint Community Frt= You serve noraus and noraus Decides what you do of your time. Imperium, The Initiatives, Slow Children at play Any other alliance in the game Not in the Pandafam coalition = Free to do whatever you want. Fraternity and horde are the worst for new player because they are being rob of their freedom in the game, and the toxic environment makes them quit the game the pings for fleet as well who wants to wake up to 150 Pings for fleets on discord? The game is all about Sandbox and do what YOU as a player want not your alliances forces you to do like your a slave. If you have limited time don't go to null sec this type of space isn't for you.

Your complaints about the fleets made me realise how lucky I am to be in INIT ❤

Backround checks on a game lol.

I'm in horde and maybe a little biased but I think you just ran into wrong people, some new guys with roles do get cocky alot, specialy that machiavelian. While I agree horde used to be more fun and had better fcs there are still alot of good ones that always explain whats going on after the fleet, usualy start with a sentence "Ok fleet now it's story time" and explain everything. About blobing fleets in our space, ofcors a goal of a large nullsec alliance is to make their space as secure as possible for their money making activities, but there are still alot of times where fcs do limit the number of people and try to give fair fights to fleets like spectre and others, but not goons, because we actualy tried to give them fair fights but every time we went to their space they would form 2x or 3x numbers so there was actualy an announcament from our leader that since they won't give us fair fights we won't give them any. As for your points about being just a number or a follower, yes, it is like that but it's like that anywhere unless you dive deeper and join some interest groups that gives you a special role in fleets or overall strategy. Reason why I like horde is that they give you infinite possibilities if you want to be more then just f1 monkey.

the horde leadership takes stupidity to a hole new lvl, and theres not much of a chance i would joine any of their bigger fleets. many of the restrictions you mention are only if you joine them, but theres nothing stopping you from just going out and do some small gang pvp with friends if you so wish and look for fights. def most fighthing going on around MJ, but horde space are kinda big, so thats not only place you need to be. another big reason to joine big alliances out in null sec are protection if you wanna do crabs with capital ships, and have protection for your stations and so on if you into industry and that kind of stuff. i enjoy the friends i play with as part of horde, but the politics and childish rules from the leadership are for sure extreamly anoying

great vid!

Pandemic Horde was NEVER worth it. Indy stuff? It's more pussified than Hi-sec as far as actual risk. PVP? Sure! as long as you're idea of PVP is taking fleetwarps wherever and pushing F1 when the FC tells you too. If I were you, for your own sanity, avoid sov-null whenever possible. It's atrociously boring.

your first mistake here is: you joined Horde So many restrictions and rules

I really thought a majority of horde player would know what they were doing.

Hord-uuh, what?

I'm not quite sure what you expected. Did you really expect large alliances, that require immense amounts of coordination and logistics to function, to just let you do whatever you want, whenever you want, without providing API keys? If you voluntarily decide to join a large group, you're going to have to abide by whatever rules are set.

The info you said about no API checks is not true. As a recent newbean, the first thing I need to do per instructions that come in the EVE mail on joining, is go to the website and complete 3 tasks - give read permissions, set up discord, set up mumble

nulls are always almost more work than fun. Pick any strong wormhole team and you'll get something between low content and zeros.

Wormhole >>> 0.0

What happened with the giveaway?

Checkout Brave Alliance next

what you identify as issues are best practice. if you dont see the issues with your actions and requests, I can't imagine you are able to make the neutral take you claim.

8:23 if you are looking for fair fights in null - especially with home defense - than you have really big misunderstanding about this game

It was never worth joining.

Isn't this part of the circlejerk that failed to defeat goonswarm in the pandemic?

Nullsec is the worst place to be in the game. Toxic FCs combined with zero skill brainlet fleets that implode if their anchor is dead.

Joining nullblocs are a dead end.

Well, if 30 players come to fight and you confront them with 60 and it does not seem honorable to them, and they flee, the next time they show up with 60, although this is a game, there is no honorability that is worth it, now, if you only want to fight 1vs 1, and you don't like to respect or follow rules, I don't know what you're doing in an alliance

My super carrier was stolen from SYN, I definitely don't recommend joining them

pandafam is so frigging toxic, no thanks

You're checking so much sympathy boxes, to the point of sounding inauthentic, well crafted shill tho like "okay chat GPT gimme 10 universally likable popular points about EVE player. Sure: brave, vs the world, freedom, fair fights, lowsec etc. Thanks chat GPT now give me 10 universally dislikable unpopular points about 0.0 alliances. Sure: cowardly, blob, control, no soul, obligations, it stinks in their region, dumb guy ordering me around etc" add "ugh ugh I really don't know you decide" mention goons several times for contrast for some reason Collect expected reaction

i was in goons and got booted for foul language no warnings just booted so i ended up joining wh corp shame really cause there is really no null or low sec corps who are respectful and caring of there members and lack of communication didnt help i applied to pandemic horde and never got accepted oh well

Hey, have some rest, keep cool, chill a little for a while ! It must be exhausting to annoy people all day like that ?

giving apis is standard in any established eve group. if that an issue u going to have trouble joining any bloc/ null group its just an internal securty thing. Also some of the info u provided is wrong PH inc gets access to almost an entire region of non esi gated space to pve. I do admit communication from horde fcs sucks in my experience but alot of the home def is run by newer fcs. Lleaking DMs is a pretty shitty thing to do even if its for the sake of being a "reporter".

If you have the enthusiasm to make a video with this much information, you should have joined another ESI Gate Corp that recruits directly (if you are still willing to live in null sec). I think it is asking too much of No ESI Corp to let in literally any person with any malicious intent and no trust from the line members..... ------- This is my personal opinion, but I don't like your style of naming and exposing DM interactions in videos. I fear that this attitude will cause you to reduce the number of people who cooperate with your videos in the future!

these rules are in place to simply mitigate the chance's of spies from other alliances its sop for any decent alliance in eve and trusting people you don't know in a game where you shit can get stolen would be pretty stupid in fairness. also bloc warfare is very different to small gang but there is nothing to stop you solo/small gang in the big alliances tbh also join goons they're better 🙂

Try CVA at the end of your series. They are trying to build up their Faction Warfare, so you could help an alliance that is quite small now and part of EVE's history, gain Loyalty Points and continue your Low Sec activities.

Being fair and having honor are NOT part of Horde

Sounds like the base corp is kind of a very limited "free trial" which is why it lacks the ESI/API checks, and full membership is the same deal as anywhere else.

No it’s not worth joining. Panfam is trash

Descent video, just returned to mess around a bit and joined PH. No offense intended but you are a bit naive in your thinking. Big blocks aren't looking for fair fights in their backyard/home turf, they are looking to protect their territory. An opposing FC that shows up in a Big Block backyard is (a) looking for soft targets / easy kills (b) expecting to get blobbed for stepping on a big block home turf because it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. Oh and spy's in big blocks are a problem, everyone has them and restrictions are a way of life.

Dear Ami, here is a comment from another fellow German eve player: I play EVE since 4 years and am a member of PH since 2. I can see some of your critic points but I also see your video critically. I'm having a pretty good time there and Horde has lots of sigs, groups and other content if you apply for it. Being a newbean and only having a few systems to rat in, is a thing I criticize myself. Yet getting into a gated corp is no struggle at all. I've got accepted into a German corp a few days after being in PH which immediately opens all doors, no more requirements but a background check. And as said: other alliances are much more strict with their applications. So, as soon as I got to know my stuff, I joined lots of PVE and PVP sigs, had lots of fun and most FC's explain the current mission... If not, just ask. And being in a massive alliances also doesn't mean that you can't solo or small gang anymore... just leave your sheltered home and visit some low sec or enemy territory. Horde doesn't even forbid you to fly with independent groups or NPSI groups, as long as you don't shoot allies...obviously. I fly with all of these guys you just chatted with and they are nice people who explain everything. But us germans we are a bit stiff und weird and I can imagine that you appeared like a sniffer dog. But yes, that "don't feed goon propaganda stuff" is weird. I've been following eve politics on reddit recently and its totally weird, from both sides. You know, I don't want to contradict you in every point, it's just that I think your picture of PH is very incomplete.

She didn't even say it was that bad. After watching the video I was willing to give the corp a try but after seeing all these comments from what I assume are various horde corp members it made me not want to do it