Papaji... Mooji ..Ganga ji.. Eli...Andrew Cohen are not REALIZERS ..The big ADVAITA SCAM PART -1- 

I agree, but nobody can distract devoties if the devoties wants to be free. A hug to you

I am also a psychotherapist and it is part of my work advise people to stay away from CULTS ...For cults are are like mental and emotional prisons where cult members can waste years of their life ...and some people have now created CULTS using the good name of of Sri Ramana Maharshi.

@henri jolicoeur

@Alex IF. ... IF... means notting

@@aded6121 I guess you are a fangirl of Tony...

@@aded6121 Thank you🙏

Agree... No transactional relationship with God or Guru

So nobody here has heard of Guru Dakśina 🙄 🤔 😕 😐?

While I understand and agree with the spiritual dimension of your argument, we also have to understand that western culture & societies do not economically carry & support spiritual teachers the way the East does. Monks would literally starve to death here, if they walked the streets with their bowls as we can see in some SE Asian countries. Same with spiritual teachers - people would visit satsangs on end without making offerings to the teacher. It is not their fault, it is just different cultures. Hence I can understand that teachers take money for participating in their sessions and satsangs...

@@otisobl exactly……folks want something for nothing. How are teachers supposed to eat or do you expect they live in the heavenly realms and sustain by breath and wear energy robes?

There are spiritual organisations in the West that function entirely on freely given donations such as various Buddhist monasteries So people charging fixed fees for spiritual guidance and sometimes becoming rich puts me off personally

Thank you!

Thank you sooo much ❤️🙏 Amen. 🌞

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With due respect, I disagree. Exposing falsehoods in the spiritual marketplace can be a very important service to seekers looking for the genuine article. Henri has given himself to this task. Bhagavad Gita addresses the real need to protect dharma at times. This is one of those historical/biblical times when there are many wolves in sheep’s clothing.

Have a brief chat with them. You will the get a sense of what they experience and perspective. Seems to work every time. They can't fake it when you ask the right questions.

There is one basic permanent enlightenment. As long as people don't expect someone to have the many impossible add ons.

only a realized person would know a realized person.

Enlightenment is the absence of the idea of the separate person so anyone claiming to have it is a fraud.

Ramana Maharshi wasn't a yogi. He was a Jnani

@@nemopropheta2313 It would be more accurate saying that Ramana Maharshi was an individual who spontaneously realized the Absolute Self (which definitely is yoga/union with the Absolute, although no "practice" led to it). And, in doing so, Ramana Maharshi became a jnani, prior to which he was an ajnani.

@@Da_Xman Very interesting description 🤔 👌 thanks

Hey there Narayan! This puts Ramana Maharshi in a fairly accurate perspective: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramana_Maharshi

@@Da_Xman Bhagavan can be found in the Wikipedia of the Heart ✌️🕊️🕉️

This is only a video of my opinion I DO NOT FORCE ANYONE TO DO ANYTHING.

I know that with others help I think t helped make my journey quicker. Not always easier.

You're right about "lineage", but lineage is about the DIRECT LINE Of TEACHER TO STUDENT PREDECESSORS and Ramana Maharshi had NO predecessor. He was spontaneously realized, without any teacher and he didn't authorize anyone to teach what he was saying, to come after him and teach Ramana Maharshi's "method". So, there can be no Ramana Maharshi "lineage". So, anyone claiming such definitely IS a fraud in that sense (and, who wants information from a fraud?). As for the point about "seeing that we are not our personal identity"? That's definitely NOT Self Realization. Self Realization is BEING AND LIVING THE ABSOLUTE SELF, which has nothing whatsoever to do with intellectual insight at all (and is why Ramana Maharshi preferred silence as his primary teaching and not dealing with intellect/concepts, which is the very problem acting as a barrier that actually prevents SELF REALIZATION). It's entirely possible to perfectly intellectually comprehend "enlightenment" and "Self Realization"...yet, still, not be "enlightened" and/or "Self Realized" in the very least. And, Henry and David are also saying that anything otherwise misses the point entirely and leads AWAY from the ABSOLUTE Truth of Self Realization (which has nothing to do with intellect, concepts or "thinking" about anything). This is what Henry and David seem to be indicating in this specific video.

they squabble about it because they hold maharshi in such high regard. so it bothers them that their teachings are given via the format they have decided upon, that seems to represent lineage. however david godman is also giving satsang i just noticed by a video he released privately. the difference is that mooji has a publicist that helped popularize him, gangaji posts videos on youtube to teach publicly and attract seekers. maharshi never sought out disciples. they merely found their way to him by the power of his own grace. so this is rlly the benchmark of a "respected" teacher, imo. one that attracts followers simply by his own presence, and doesnt TRY nor INTEND to teach others, yet his awakening is so powerful that others are drawn to him, naturally.. as in the case w/ nisargadatta maharaj, as well. but i agree w/ you, in the sense that, these beefs and squabbles simply show a misunderstanding in the minds of henri and david. whether there is formal lineage, or not... we cannot prevent others from sharing their own advice/insights or from choosing who they want to devote themselves to. and we cannot stop others from honoring their teachers in whatever way they wish. and why would you want to? well, david/henri consider enlightenment to a bit more rare because of the power they have known maharshi to bestow upon his disciples. but what they are not understanding, is that enlightenment doesnt always wrk like that. enlightened beings will not always operate like maharshi did. your boss at wrk could be enlightened, your pizza delivery guy could be enlightened.. and you might have no idea.. it is a rare phenomenon, it is rare to come across an enlightened being, but not as rare as henri and david seem to assume enlightenment simply means one experienced his eternal Self, via what is called "satori" and anyone that honors that seeing by disregarding thoughts w/ a continued surrender unto presence, is a realized being maharshi might have had a more powerful and impactful realization due to vasanas and an underlying desire to share this type of profound realization, even if he did not explicitly convey this. our "subconscious" desires are that potent

Buddha, Jesus, Ramakrishna, Krishnamurti, Osho, Ramana had no lineage. In fact many (most?) of the Enlightened masters did not had a master themselves.

@@bodhiheeren It's accurate that some have no lineage, but it would be a very extreme few that do with any insight into the nature of things. There has to be an introduction with some kind of fundamental idea, otherwise it's meaningless. Some which you mention actually did have teachers along the way. Some which you didn't mention had teachers but, through their own insight, started their own personal method. All had an initial personal awakening which then evolved and unfolded, according to their initial experience, into authentic personal nature regarding "who" and "what" "we" really are.

Yes awaken the drummer, he only try's to lead ppl away from truth including himself..as truth knows Truth...You only need your innermost being to know the truth...and Mooji guides ppl to that place. Period. And Truthcannot be owned or controlled. Only be experienced. Within

I never met her but I understand she was set up as the successor. The test is the value of what she can help people attain, such as did she help enlighten anyone?

Yes! In the case of Michael he is not posing as a Guru, and doesn't claim to be Self realized. He is one of the few that can be trusted.

Yes, he has the proper attitude that Ramana was a "world guru" for all. No need for watered down pretenders.

well said...bro...👍

Wow papaji came to you in dreams? Really, in DREAMS? You are such a lucky guy

@@Aldermus Not sure if there is sarcasm here, so not sure how to respond... If so, all I can tell you is that if you knew the content of the dream/message and what proceeded you would be left with no doubt other than whenever or not I’m telling the truth (which I am) 😊. God Bless and sending you lots love regardless brother ❤️

You can learn from data. that doesn't mean the person utters the data is awakened or even realized it the meaning. they are all just mumbling the words from thousands of years back. plagiarism. you can learn from anyone a crumb of truth if you are opened to realization, but they are all utterances.

Beatuful!!

Too many fake gurus basking in the glory of true gurus. Beware of whom you follow. Thanks for posting this

mooji has done very good work in his pointings there is no denying that

That's correct...there is so much confusion surrounding the teachings of Ramana that even earnest scholars like Godman perpetuate it by using terms like "enlightened being" when Ramana has made it crystal clear that what the term "self-realization" refers to is the total annihilation of the idea of individual beings, enlightened or otherwise. For anyone looking for a genuine expounder of Ramana's teachings - look up Michael James. I'm not currently aware of anyone else that can be taken completely seriously.

@@VioletFlameScotland Yes! great points John. David said upon being looked at by Lakshmana Swamy "This man is a Jnani" (misleading it isn't a man that is a jnani) Ramana taught that only an ajnani speaks of "a jnani", and that there is only jnana. Regardless of that once instance, elswhere, David is honest enough to say that he is not in the 'state' to be able to determine who is Self Realized. Ramana sure as hell didn't declare Papapji realized. I think it was a mistake for David to promote Papaji as "Self realized". Papaji's alleged Self realization is only self-declared. This is a dangerous thing for seekers to blindly accept!

Papaji is illumined. Be aware that anyone who even postulates this question is almost certainly in the mind, which can know nothing of the divine. "I think so and so is or isn't"...etc. "I think" is an ego-mind phrase. The heart knows. The self recognizes self. That which is whole has no questions, it simply rests in itself.

Thank you very good posting ..

David Godman as said before that Papaji was enlighten .....and I believe that Papaji was not enlighten ....its OK we have a little disagreement ..

@@divinebrightlight okay, fair enough. Who is to say who is enlightened anyways? We should simply worry about our own enlightenment and then we can know for sure afterwards

precisely!!

Well said

Thanks for this

Go to David web site and ask him please

David already answered your question in this very video. Near 2:10 he has a beef with it. He called it FRAUD

​@@antandshell if Papaji was a fraud then David Godman was an enabler to that fraud. He was very involved while Papaji had the picture of Ramana behind him. My question is unanswered.

@@smolderingtitan From what i heard out of david's mouth was the idea of lineage was fraudulent, not the man himself. Wasn't that the question?

@@antandshell my question was "what did David think about the picture of Ramana behind Papaji?" To me that leads to seconary questions: Did he feel that Papaji was being fraudulent about lineage? Was Papaji enabling or promoting a false idea? What are the implications about that in terms of Papaji's character or realization? I spent time with Papaji in 1992 and 1993 in Lucknow. FYI

Agreed. Best comment here. So many people over complicating this.

YES

My thoughts exactly. From the papaji videos I felt he never endorsed those to whom he talked or met to gain stability on his advices by thinking it again and again

Hi Evan, I'll add in my 2 cents. Papaji did! let people kiss his feet, worship him, and sing songs about him to him (as Mooji later copied). He told Cohen he was "the Pefect Buddha reborn" and told him his work was done (that proved to be way way off!) It's a myth that Papaji gave people "the experience of the Self". The Self isn't an "object" that can be experienced, and these experiences only came and went. Bhagavan himself said it can't be "given". Regardless of this, Papaji told hundreds they were "Enlightened" after these temporary experiences of a subtle state of mind (manolaya). Ramana was steadfast in teaching we need constant effort and practices to completely rid ourselves of vasanas. Papaji was bizarrely directly opposed to Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi in being un-categorically anti-sadhana. All this mess shows the reason Ramana never declared Papaji Self realized. Papaji's behaviour shows his alleged realization was only self-declared. Look at the mess that came in the wake of Papaji's "neo-advaita".

@@moojiisafraud7073 You mention that Papaji 'let' people kiss his feet, worship him, sings songs about him and so on. But people did all these things to Ramana as well - and to Nisargadatta, and to Lakshmana Swami and any other spiritual figure of any note. Both Papaji and Ramana at times tried to literally escape from the people surrounding them and worshipping them, but they only had so much control of what people around them did. So if the people worshipping Papaji is enough to discount him as a serious spiritual figure, then Ramana should be doubly discounted, because he was even more worshipped. As to the experiences people had in Papaji's presence, let's be honest and admit that neither you nor I have access to that experience, so we really have no way of judging just what they experienced or how meaningful it was spiritually. We can make assumptions about it, but we are just projecting our own imagination onto it. You can find countless accounts of people who met Ramana, looked into his eyes, and had some kind of powerful experience. Look at the experience Annamalai Swami had when Ramana hugged him, or Lakshmana's experience in 1949. Would you be so confident dismissing those experiences as superficial? My opinion is that we are not fit to judge anyone else's spiritual experience. We probably aren't even fit to judge our own, let alone anyone else. What is clear is that many, many people met Papaji, had some kind of powerful experience, and years later said that it had profoundly affected their life in a positive way. David Godman gives many examples of this. You're right, Ramana never declared that Papaji was self-realized - but not because of anything particular to Papaji, because Ramana never declared ANY living person to be self-realized. By all means, believe whatever you want about Papaji - if you don't like his teachings, just ignore them. But if you are really interested in this subject, I would issue you a challenge - read the three-volume biography that David Godman wrote about Papaji (Nothing Ever Happened), with all the totally extraordinary and miraculous happenings contained within, and then tell me which of these two options you pick: 1) David Godman is lying about the substance of the book, and all or some of the evidence he presents is fake. 2) Things did happen the way that Godman describes and the evidence is legitimate, but all of that is somehow meaningless or random. After reading it, my opinion is this: David Godman is not lying, because David Godman isn't a liar. The evidence presented and the testimonials of the many individuals are genuine. I don't know what spiritual level Papaji was at, but my personal bet is that all that extraordinary stuff is not going to happen unless you are at a pretty damn high spiritual level. Which makes perfect sense, considering the intensity of sadhana Papaji did in his lifetime. We can criticize him all we want, but the guy is clearly above either of our pay grades. As to Mooji, that's a different story, but I'll hold my tongue on that issue. By the way, I agree that Papaji's 'no sadhana' approach is pretty weird, and I don't follow that at all myself. But who knows, some people like it, whatever floats your boat. And if you wanted to look through Ramana's quotes and find all the times when he says something to the effect of 'You are already the Self, you are already That', you could fill up pages and pages. I personally absolutely believe in sadhana, in gradual spiritual practice, in the necessity of effort and practical application of spiritual principles and so on. But regardless of his unusual doctrine in that area, I think it's absurd to say that Papaji was a fraud or didn't have any genuine spiritual development. Whether or not he was at the highest level, I can't say, but I'd bet anything that he was at a way higher level than me, you, or anyone else reading this.

@@mofoshrimp Thanks for your detailed reply. As for worshipping, Papaji was presenting himself as a ‘channel’, or mouthpiece for Ramana, that’s what makes it very creepy for me. (how could be possibly by “the Maharshi” that speaks when his words blatantly contradicted Ramana on sadhana?) "Whenever I speak, it is not someone called Poonja who is speaking, it is the 'I' that is the Maharshi who speaks" "I never think it is I, Poonja, who am speaking. It is he the Maharshi, the Master who is speaking." "It is my own Master who speaks" "I am sitting here introducing you to my teaching and his teachings. He is the teacher , not I." "I Poonja am not in the picture at all" The experiences people had around Papaji were all temporary. People reported quiet minds but as it was fleeting it could only by manolaya. The experiences read like classic examples of Kundalini stirring (not Self realization) He himself came out and said he was only giving “lollipops to get the leeches of my back” This is not the kind of statement that falls from the lips of a jivanmukta! The differences with experiences with Papaji compared to Ramana, Annamalai and Lakshmana, is that Papaji told people they were “enlightened” after these moments, they “got it!” “your work is done!” etc. etc. The other 3 are not on record as saying anything of the sort. No doubt these temporary experiences did 'effect' those who met Papaji, but they were told the experiences were something they clearly were not. You wrote: “By all means, believe whatever you want about Papaji - if you don't like his teachings, just ignore them.” In your sentence "his teachings" jumps out. Why when we have Ramana's life and teachings would we jump ship to follow someone else's "new" teachings? One can’t follow Bhagavan and Papaji at the same time. They have the same ancient conclusion (you are already the Self) but differ drastically on the need for constant practice in completely eradicating vasanas. Effort and No-Effort just don’t mix! Papaji himself said “this is new!” Yes, Ramana never declared ANY living person to be Self-realized. Mooji people don’t seem to understand that he said nothing of the sort to Papaji. However! Ramana gave careful instructions for Mastan to be buried as a Saint. He had Muruganar’s poetry read out in the hall that stating things along the lines of “I have realized the Self in your presence, thank you, thank you” etc. When he got Lakshmana’s note, he didn’t say, “No, you have misunderstood what happened to you” he gave a huge smile! He left careful instructions for an ashram to be built for Annamalai. So! Those are important “nods” to those individuals. I think there’s a stark contrast between those rare occasions, and the fact that there are no corroborated statements or actions from Ramana indicating confirmation of anything at all about Papaji’s “state” You wrote “But if you are really interested in this subject, I would issue you a challenge - read the three-volume biography that David Godman wrote about Papaji (Nothing Ever Happened)” I am really interested, and have read all 3 volumes twice. And ALL other Papaji books. As for the “totally extraordinary and miraculous happenings” a great many of them are completely unverifiable. They are only Papaji’s anecdotal accounts, and are unprovable. As far as I know, David was commission to write his biography, and that’s what he did. As for your two options you wrote 1) David Godman is lying about the substance of the book, and all or some of the evidence he presents is fake. --- I wouldn’t say David is “lying”, but in repeating in particular, the uncorroborated “totally extraordinary and miraculous happenings” he should have said things like Papaji claims that ___ or Papaji alleges that____. The unverified happenings were stated as if they were facts. 2) Things did happen the way that Godman describes and the evidence is legitimate, but all of that is somehow meaningless or random. --- Some things are corroborated, and that’s fine, but we in the case of the uncorroborated “miracles” we simply can’t know if they actually occurred. There was no evidence at all, just Papaji’s retelling of completely unverifiable "extraordinary happenings." In general, Bhagavan’s view on siddhi’s, powers, etc. is that they are useless (they take "another" to witness them.) He said visions (even of 'God') are only in the mind, so I don’t think it helps anyone’s path at all to endlessly hear of these things. Natananada was so humble and unassuming, that people thought he was dead! With Mooji, I’m NOT holding my tongue as there have been suicides! He’s repeating Papaji’s “no sadhana” approach, which is indeed as you said “pretty weird”. (and apparently dangerous) That’s why I feel one can’t follow Papaji and Bhagavan at the same time. Papaji isn’t called “the Father of Neo Advaita” for notHing! There's no way around the fact that it’s a new movement that he started, which in my opinion, and the opinion of many, has had terrible, or at the very least extremely mixed results. Yes, you can go through Ramana’s quotes and here him say you’re already the Self, so no effort is needed to BE what you are. But! that was never what effort was for! He ALWAYS prescribed ardent efforts to eradicate the age old vasanas. "Intense effort is necessary until the I-thought disappears completely in the Heart [Self] and all the vasanas [egoistic tendencies] and samskaras [mental impressions and psychological imprints] are fried and do not revive again." - Ramana Maharshi Only the ripest of devotees could bypass that, and in those rarest of cases it STILL would have been because they actually DID perform those sadhanas in other lifetimes. (like in his own famous case) This showed that in comparison to what Papaji 'taught', Ramana taught there was no free lunch. I didn’t use the words that Papaji was a “fraud” I am just stating that he made a BIG mistake in telling hundreds that their work was “finished” and they were “enlightened” after a temporary experience of manolaya. "Freedom now!" proved to not work. Bhagavan left incredible, detailed teachings in Guru Vachika Kovai, and Ullardu Narpadu. I just find it bizzare that people want to stray from that to follow Papaji a 'new' self-proclaimed Guru that was anti-sadhana.

Hi @@mofoshrimp Regarding what you called "totally extraordinary and miraculous happenings". The very books that relay these stories are ironically called "Nothing Ever Happened". This is the doctrine of Ajata. (Nothing ever happened) For those who don't know, this was in no way a discovery or "invention" of Poonja's. It's in the Madukya Upanishad. Gaudapada famously wrote about it centuries ago, and it was Ramana's conclusion too. Poonja once 'claimed' to be in a lineage that included Gaudapada and Ramana, but regardless of this bold claim, he had trouble all his life with the Ajata conlusion (it can be seen in his diaries). So! If Ramana and Gaudapada were right, and indeed 'nothing ever happened', getting all "wowed" by powers and happenings, goes against the very teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi. Let's look at what Ramana himself said about powers or siddhi's: RAMANA MAHARSHI ON SIDDHIS Question: Are the Siddhis (super-natural powers) mentioned in Patanjali’s Sutras true or only his dream? Sri Ramana Maharshi: He who is Brahman or the Self will not value those Siddhis. Patanjali himself says that they are all exercised with the mind and that they impede Self-realisation. Question: Then what use are the Siddhis? Sri Ramana Maharshi: “These powers are not a means to Self-knowledge, for even when you acquire them, you may quite well be in ignorance. Question: Does the sage use occult powers for making others realize the Self, or is the mere fact of his Self-realization enough for it? Sri Ramana Maharshi: The force of his Self-realization is far more powerful than the use of all other powers. Though Siddhis are said to be many and different, Jnana (knowledge) alone is the highest of those many different Siddhis, because those who have attained other Siddhis will desire Jnana. Those who have attained Jnana will not desire other Siddhis. Therefore aspire only for Jnana. Although the powers appear to be wonderful to those who do not possess them, yet they are only transient. All these wonders are contained in the one changeless Self. Greedily begging for worthless occult powers (Siddhis) from God, who will readily give Himself, who is everything, is like begging for worthless stale gruel from a generous natured philanthropist who will readily give everything. Know that if aspirants who are making efforts on the path to liberation set their heart upon occult powers, their dense bondage will be strengthened more and more, and hence the lustre of their ego will wax more and more. The attainment (Siddhi) of Self, which is the perfect whole, the radiance of liberation, alone is the attainment of true knowledge, whereas the other kinds of Siddhi, beginning with Anima (the ability to become as small as an atom) belong to the delusion of the power of imagination of the foolish mind. So, Everyone knows Bhagavan declared no living person realized, obviously, and importantly including Poonja. Poonja can only therefore be “self-claiming” his own alleged Self-realization. His, (as @Mooji is a Fraud put): “anti-sadhana” stance surely does not point to Self realization. The display and eager celebration of siddhi’s or “miraculous” events (in a world that doesn’t even exist.) does not point to Self realization either. Nor does telling hundreds of people they were “enlightened!” and that “their work was done!” David Godman has humbly stated on record that he is not in the “state” where he could personally determine whether someone is a Jnani or not. (Ramana said it takes one to know one) Therefore his seeming ‘endorsement' of Poonja cannot and should not, be taken as some kind of official “stamp” of HW Poonja being 'literally Self realized'. He was simply commissioned to write a biography, witnessed transient siddhis, and has personal opinions on him.

I think he was the genuine article. He, Raman’s Maharishi, and Rupert Spira are the only teachers I trust.

It's not a goddamn competition guys... we ALL can reach there and find our inner realization. SMFH

No there is no lineage ..ZERO ..and those like ...MOJI ...Gangaji ...Eli...that surround themselves with pictures of Sri Ramana Maharshi to increase their public and give themselves some EXTRA importance are just as you say FRAUD.

@@divinebrightlight @henri jolicoeur Hi Henri (wow...I get to talk with you directly!). Your video makes a very excellent point. Do you feel that Nisargadatta was using Ramana Maharshi's picture to elevate himself? His teaching wasn't anything like Ramana Maharshi's. Looking forward to watching the 20 episodes you mentioned in this video. ⚡👍🥴⚡

@@Da_Xman No according to my friend David Godman who sat with Nisargatta ...he was into his own thing ...he never used or misused the pictures of Sri Ramana ....he just misuse his own body by smoking cigarettes to the very end (thats a joke ) but its true.

@@divinebrightlight We're on the same page, Henri. Thanks, so much for doing your videos/documentaries. Every little bit really helps everyone. Ramana Maharshi was the (very) Top Of The Mark and his words and lifestyle say it all and encourage (YES...!!!). Again, thanks for your efforts and really GREAT talking with you (keep up the terrific work!). ⚡👍🙂👍⚡

I HELP PEOPLE DISTINGUISH BETWEN ...IDENTIFYING A TEACHER AS A POINTER ....NOT A REALIZER ....THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE ....MOOJI AND GANGAJI ....MIGHT HAVE HELP YOU UNDERSTAND SOME THINGS ....THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE ENLIGHTEN.

Mooji attracts broken people. He sleeps with his disciples and Papaji never appointed him as his successor. He's a deluded man who may he a little more advanced than the majority, yet he is not a siddha. People need to stop empowering these frauds and start empowering themselves.

@Lion Of Aryavarta Thank you for speaking the truth.

@@silverlake973 Yes, but Ramana never appointed Papaji as his successor either. He never said anything about him!

,,,,it's one thing to teach, another to appoint or endorse others to teach. From where did he possibly get such an authority, except from his own egoic self ?

The only one who needs to be satisfied with their enlightenment is the person themselves. Others don't always believe but it does not change the state.

@@missiontothrill enlightenment isn't for the person, it's realization of the self truth, consciousness, brahma, god is you but playing the role of person, realization of the true and untrue in onself, not belief but to know, but to know you must see the with your own eyes to realize how obvious it is only overlooked.

@@iliekass8763 It is for the person if the person was a seeker and then gets enlightened. Did you get enlightened?

@@missiontothrill a person will never reach enlightenment, enlightenment is realization that you're not a person you're way more than that, the person is a persona construction that we created unconsciously, to be enlightened you realize what you are, and what your are not, if you hold on to person you hold on to desire, and one cannot be enlightened with desire, enlightenment is freedom

@@iliekass8763 Although the state is separate from personality there is a definite changeover to being aware of the enlightened state. I understand what you mean but it's complicated depending on the perspective.

There is NO lineage in the case of Sri Ramana Maharshi ...for Bhagavan was experiencing SAMADHI from the time he was 16 years old .The lineage that is talk about in the case of Sri Ramana is mostly coming from one source ..the so called disciples of Punja or Papaji ...Eli .Ganga ji ..Mooji and a few others advertise that because their GURU Papaji had a visit with Sri Ramana ...there is therefore a lineage ....It is simply a crazy idea that a visitor to Ramana could then teach how to experience Samadhi ...Its a SCAM

@@divinebrightlight You need to read my comment. You're referring to a lineage that carries the official name of Ramana. When there is a lineage carrying the official name, a lineage holder is appointed. This is clearly not the case. However, if someone awakens, a very simple question arises 'who was your teacher?' the answer is the person's lineage. Lineage in this case simply means 'my teacher was...' Lineage in this case can happen even without the teacher knowing. One is a lineage holder if one realises the teachings. Thus it has happened that the official lineage holder, merely carries the formal practices but may not have the internal realisations and the one carrying the internal realisations may live alone in a cave. There is no conflict and there is no scam, unless one professes to be carrying the official doctrine of Ramana above and beyond others. The amount of clock time spent with a guru doesn't matter when it comes to internal realisation it does when it comes to learning methods and official lineage. Again there is no conflict just a broader knowledge of spiritual traditions and history.

I love Sri Ramana teachings and I am also a therapist that that as seen the disasters that FALSE representatives of his great teachings have created ....Especially the brainwashing by the likes of Mooji ..Ganga ji ..Eli ....ext that have created CULTS base on the pure teachings of Sri Ramana ...Papaji made big mistakes claiming that dozens of his students where "ENLIGHTEN " something that Sri Ramana never ever did ....and did hide his bisexuality ext .....Papaji giving lectures on a throne like seat with a big Sri Ramana picture behind him as he was a disciple of Sri Ramana ...all bullshit that his now followers are imitating ....SO THERE IS THE TRUE TEACHINGS and there is the very misleading BULLSHIT TEACHINGS ...

That's an interesing comment @ognet. That fact that Papaji didn't take money doesn't absolve him from the numerous other bad things he did, included twisting Ramana's teachings, and posing as a Guru in a non-existant lineage to Ramana. Yes, David knew him well, but he is the only Ramana author to accept Papaji as legit. He is all alone in that assessment. It takes a Jnani to recognize another Jnani. Godman does not feel he is himself is a Jnani, so it is only his "opinion" that Papaji is legit. It's well known that Papaji invented "neo advaita." This "nothing to do", "vasanas don't exist" was a HUGE deviation from Ramana's teachings! It is the people that follow Papaji, and those that he erroneously told were "completely enlightened" that have to "get back to Ramana's teachings" Ramana did not recognize Self realization in Papaji.. he did not "declare" him enlightened, nor did he authorize him to teach under his name. Regardless of this Papaji sat under a huge photo of Ramana and allowed people to worship him, and imagine that he was dispensing the same "grace" that people felt around Ramana. But if you look closely, Papaji had an adulterous affair, and impregnated a female disciple! He ate meat. He taught things that were completely opposed to Ramana's teachings. The list is long as to what was "off" with Papaji. Henri comes on strong, but he is correct. People are missing out on Ramana because of all these pretenders. So, he's doing a great service

@@moojiisafraud7073 Thanks ...I did not know that "Papaji did eat meat "(Where did you read this ?).....David Godman is an encyclopedia on everything Sri Ramana ...but because he is not a Jnani ...he also got mesmerize by Papaji ..OCUS POCUS enlightenment of people like Andrew Cohen and many more and when Papaji ask him to be his biographer ...David Godman got even deeper in the misleading teachings of "Papaji " ....Result is that even a nice highly intelligent and knowledgeable person like David Godman can be mesmerized by a FAKE GURU .....And id David got mesmerized well all the hippies around Mooji do not have a chance !

@@divinebrightlight Yes Henri, David has a lot of conceptual knowledge about Ramana, but indeed like many, as you say, he got "mesmerized" by Papaji. It's strange how he ignores the glaring differences in their teachings. This is from Gangaji's autobiography "Just like you" page 94: "He [Papaji] was an outlaw. With the vegetarians he would eat meat, with the meat-eaters he would only eat vegetables."

@@moojiisafraud7073 ...Thanks ....eating meat and pretending to be Sri Ramana representative ....VERY SAD ....Sri Ramana was a vegetarian to the very end of his earthly life HE LOVE ANIMALS all of them ..

I agree at 100%

Yes, Godman is great when discussing Ramana, but unfortunately he was indeed dead wring in promoting Papaji as Self realized. It has lead to Mooji being able to claim legitimacy. We all know about the suicides in Mooji’s circle. It’s become dangerous to accept Papaji as legitimate.

Yes, Godman is good for historical stuff, but he is not a Jnani, and is therefore not qualified to be able to tell who IS a Jnani. He was only going on Papaji's word that Papaji was enlightened. Papaji only self declared it. One issue is, if Papaji was a Jnani, why would he fuck a young disciple? She was 20 years old when he was 60 and married. She called him Master before and after they screwed. It's just creepy, and shows he wasn't free of lust and desire in the least.

I do not know about any suicide except one young man who had suffered from depression all of his life. His mother wrote to Mooji after his death and told him that her son had experienced happiness while staying at the Ashram. You do not know all the conditions for these people and I think it is better not to make a declarative comment without all the information. @@clearseeing5755

In fact, this is a question worth asking David and Michael too.

@@sushilmotwani1145 Bhagavan never said EVER that any of his devotees where realizes .....So I did focus on the obvious boggust one living at the present time ...

Without actually saying it, Bhagavan gave strong "nods" to Muruganar, Annamalai, and Mastan. Muruganar himself viewed Swami Natanananda as a Jnani. Papaji got NO such nod from Bhagavan. Nothing.. The HUGE issue is that Papaji went into the guru business by himself, while teaching things that were opposite to Ramana!

Muruganar is a sure bet, all Ramana scholars agree on that! Mastan Swami is also a safe bet. Muruganar himself said Natanananda was realized, so I'd trust his judgement! The nice thing about Sadhu Om is, compared to Papaji, he would never let anyone see him as a guru. (Same thing with Muruganar.) All the people you mentioned are HUMBLE! Papaji and Mooji were not humble in the least... they were both narcissists.

@@moojiisafraud7073 Lakshmana Swami wrote a note to Bhagavan saying "In your presence I have realised the Self." When Bhagavan read the note, he looked at Lakshmana, and gave a huge beaming smile which a devotee noticed, Bhagavan handed the note to a devotee and told him to place the note on display on the shelf. This would be a nod..

No not at all ...I am just a regular guy that love Sri Ramana ...At this stage of my life I say anything I want ,,,Amen ,,

No they're not "real". Try Ramana first, and you'll see the difference

You have to do some research actually... Papaji only said that in 1994. This was backtracking from the FACT that he once told hundreds they were fully enlightened (even though he knew it wasn't true...) that's simply known as lying. Period.

What kind of person would tell disciples they were enlightened, just to get rid of them? There's no way that is enlightened behavior.

Beneficio. Beneficio.

Nisargadatta can be equated to Krishnamurthy. Not enilightened, but elevated souls. Yukteshwar, enlightened. But then there r degrees of enlightenment. And there r greater souls than him who knew higher truths.

@@SadhuPrasanga There's no such thing as greater souls..the consciousness that was working through bhagwan ramana maharshi is the same consciousness working through you & me..there has to be a second person to state it as greater bt there's no such thing as another..There's only one absolute truth bt bcz of yog maya we see multiple personalities & things..it's easy to put it in words bt difficult for some to experience as it needs a lot of practice & for some ppl it's easy bcz of thr good prarabhda.

@@jaymac2026 Yes apparently there's only one being living everyone. Essential awareness is not greater, lesser, higher or lower.

@@SadhuPrasanga I didn't read his books yet to get a feeling but he looks quite awesome. As far as degrees of enlightenment, the one essential state. However, people spoke of god realisation, freedom from suffering and emotional reactions or emotions. Some of which could be personal and subjective. Some people have source knowledge. Some are claimed to be all knowing, all seeing. It depends who you talk with and what their experience is.

He can only be a fake in your mind, in your opinion see, you are will to immature to go beyond your opinions. You are not evolved enough to listen to mooji as yet. Make a tiktok account or something and come back to mooji when you can listen without judging the words or making a judgment on the speaker. You miss the point completely. Who are you to decide if someone's a fake or not? Get on your knees at moojis feet and the grace you receive will open your eyes. This is so much deeper then you think and has so many more levels once you Know and can see this is the correct light you will be one with the master. The ways of liberation are only for the few, who then speak about it to the masses who don't get it and pass judgement. Mooji is free of judgment see.

You are just looking for other people to confirm your feelings and thoughts in the mind. No thought is true, mooji constantly preachers that message, so the thoughts that tell you mooji is a fake are there in the mind to deceive you. Can't people figure this out why does it have to be spelt out so clearly and they still don't get it

I agree. I saw Mooji live in India and it is crystal clear to everybody apart of his blind consumer followers, that he is the fakest fake and deep inside yourself, dear AdEd, you know it. Just imagine how Tony would look like sitting next to Ramana.... just have a look on old pictures taken with confirmed gurus like Yogananda or Lakshman Joo who came to Ramana for advice...can you realy see Tony sitting there...?

Maharshi