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yasir ali another lies

What did I lie about? didn't he answered all questions? Please answer and don't be biased

@Almost an Artist and if they were destroyed? Let's say for the sake of argument they were destroyed... What's your point.? Any baby who dies at young age is automatically going heaven... Stop thinking that this life is only life.

@Almost an Artist first of all... There is no clear cut verses where allah destroyed babies... While in the Bible it does. The people of Noah according to the quran were all bad people... And there is no mention of kids... You can assume it if you want... But I will stick to what allah told us... The point shamsi wants to point is that the bible is written by men.. Not by god.

@Almost an Artist well... Clearly they were destroyed for a reason.. Cos they were actually doing soo much corruptions.. Making soo much blood.. Killing themselves if they were left alive they would have killed Noah so what allah did with his wisdom.. He destroyed them so its a lesson for the ones coming after.. Allah could have easily destroyed Noah pbub too.. But the plan was to wipe outall but leave Noah and his fam.. Many other nations were destroyed too... and all that is a lesson for us.. To not repeat their mistakes.. Am not really worried about those kids if they died in that distruction.. They all go heaven.. What shamsi is trying to say.. Allah will not order men to kill babies and women... That's men thinking. Therefore the bible is written by men.

Taqiya at its finest

spread the delusion ? simpleton

He doesn't let anyone talk. Offers no facts just muslim rhetoric

J .dV lol anyone would stop another person waffling about ‘what if’ or an opinion. Shamsi clearly owned this black Christian. Many times in the video. Even the Christian clearly said ok I agree and even laughed at his own religion belief.

@@amir123786 I've said my piece. Believe what you want..

How is someone who constantly screams like a pregnant woman about to give birth, brilliant?

@No Name As factual as Adam and Eve coming alive with no mother and father..

M. Youcef True

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seriously ? haha story of Nouah is in bible too , what's the point ? look and learn how to destroy religion :) does god lie ? no , does god know everything ? yes , is jesus god ? let's see , they asked him about the hour he said no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father ? he doesn't know se he's not god ^^ . not enough ? okay take this , does god has a god ? the answer is no , jesus said my god and your god , so he's not god too , booooom go to sleep

and ur God created islam that u all hate ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 go to sleep u and ur stupid argument 😂😂

King Buddy Yeah he got replaced, because our god loves his prophets and he would never let jesus(pbuh) die naked on a cross. Your own god doesnt even love his son. lmao

Jahstar Enouch the first man to make the call to prayer was a black man. So shutup. Islam is free from racism. Muslims can sin and be bad as can anyone of any religion... but Islam is free from racism.

Amir A 'black' man was the first to call to prayer as no one wanted the task to wake up early in the morning and shout at the top of their voice. A slave had no choice but to do as ordered!

Fey Y Insulting (as usual) does not make a person right! Bilal, a 'black' man WAS Mohammed's slave, no denying that and a slave does what his master ordered. Bilal obviously knew why he was ordered to call for prayer. As a slave he was ordered to do the task no one wanted, waking before everyone else early morning and shout at top of his voice. Show me the exact verse in Quran where Bilal himself said he was 'privileged' to be ordered to wake up extra early to call to prayers that everyone was reluctant to do so!

Fey Y He ordered Bilal to make the adhan on the rooftop of the Kab'ah. Show me the exact verse in Quran where Mohammed freed Bilal from slavery. Book of Call to Prayer Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 11 :: Hadith 578 Narrated Ibn ‘Umar: When the Muslims arrived at Medina, they used to assemble for the prayer, and used to guess the time for it. During those days, the practice of Adhan for the prayers had not been introduced yet. Once they discussed this problem regarding the call for prayer. Some people suggested the use of a bell like the Christians, others proposed a trumpet like the horn used by the Jews, but ‘Umar was the first to suggest that a man should call (the people) for the prayer; so Allah’s Apostle ordered Bilal to get up and pronounce the Adhan for prayers. Btw, Only a donkey calls another person a donkey

Kwenko are you stupid!! You are beyond ignorant !! All Muslims at the time said the person with the best voice should do it. Also Muhammad said bilal the first black muslim was in heaven as Muhammad confirmed this, he said his footsteps were heard

Read Romans 10: 9-14 , Was the one which was & is to come Jesus or the God Jesus had ?

WWJD ? YHWH ECHAD = One. Jesus IS the Alpha and the Omega, the Aleph and the Tav, the Beginning and the End. Our Father came into this world to save His children. It's a LOVE story of Redemption. Our Father is So Powerful, Almighty... He can send part of Himself - His Only begotten Son, His Spirit (as Yah is Spirit) to become Fully man and Fully God to bring His children out of sin by divorcing them through death, taking on the sins of the world and making a New Covenant with them. That by believing in Him through our freewill, you will have eternal Life. Gods ways are higher than mans ways as He is Holy and can do as He pleases. We limit God to our own attributes. Two seeds to choose from, the seed of Truth which is Salvation only through Jesus Christ. Luke 8:11 Or The seeds of Lies from satan, with all the other False belief systems out there that lead to eternal separation from God, the pit. @WWJD After having a bone tumor in my leg and Many reconstruction surgeries learning to walk again, it left me with chronic pain since 1994 and I was using many methods to deal with that pain, I also acquired a nerve disease and on additional meds. I tried everything to get comfortable, keep my head clear enough and maintain a job in IT. I had enough and was a believer in God but never had the gospel message. I cried out from my bed and surrendered and asked God into my life. I diligently studied, started walking away from Sin in my life (I got married to my then common law spouse) I prayed to be released from pain and the addictions I had picked up to cope with pain. Within Months I was Set Free of Everything...! I mean Everything...! It was nothing short of a miracle...! That included smoking weed/cigarettes on top of the narcotic pain meds and numerous medications. No side effects, cravings, withdrawals. My spouse saw the transformation in my life that they are now a believer. I was Delivered through prayer, not long after I Surrendered my life to Christ. We have an amazing, Loving Father who wants a personal relationship with His children. We must humble ourselves and call on Our Father. John 14:9 “Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”

WWJD ? Part 2. 1 Colossians pay attention to verse 16 12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: ***16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; 24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: 25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: 29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

Read Romans 10: 9-14 , Why the life story ? Please answer the question Thanks

WWJD ? We are called to share our personal testimony, how God touched and is working in our life. It's all about lovingly waking our brothers & sisters from the generations of spoon fed lies and pressure to conform. No one forced me to conform to any religion. I called out to God and he showed up and showed me the way, I just had to pause and listen. Revelation 12:11 - And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of THEIR testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Besides, when God shows up and works a miracle in your life and your spouse Witnesses the miracle and believes. YOU TELL EVERYONE WHO WILL LISTEN. P.s the people pushing that Jesus is not God in the flesh is Freemasons and Jesuits as they have infiltrated the churches and have been building their One World Government/One World Religion for generations and they need the masses to turn away from The Deity of Christ. It does not fit their agenda.

thats applying logic...that is something people from Dawah team lack

+tahane abdulaziz Atleast not praying to fake God iblees Shayateen satan that decieved Mohemed in cave of Hira and now u idiots taking it as Holy book....Aleast we r not licking Black Stone idols like u.......Atleast we r not killing people :D:D:D:Dhahhahaha.....Khanzeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer

+Fey Y Halleluyah..........I'll be in Kingdom of God when Jesus PBUH will arrive soon to make justice in the world to bring the world of Shayateen islam under the unbrella of real islam Christianity.............But u people will be burn in hell and will alive again will be burn and will alive again.

@tahane abdulaziz tahane I would love to debate you.

deception, quoting part passage,s

shamesi is on his period.

Stop lying. He is letting him speak.

It was a fair discussion to be honest even paper boy would agree

SherGill M I agree that Shamsi don't let nobody else speak. He always wants to always have the last word and say he has to go..

Muslims only think they finished Christians because they think they understand what the biblr teaches. Some Muslims are just the most arrogant and prideful people in the world. Taking certain verses from the bible out of context and sooo many other things. I could write a whole book on the misconceptions that Muslims have about Jesus and Christianity (and they have many)

Christians never stand a chance next to Islam or even Judaism.

bro as a muslim i want you what do you believe God is if you are not a trinitarian ? you believe there is only one god ?

Being a unitarian is a million times better than being a mohamedian. Don't be a pedophile like muhummud. Be like Jesus who said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 18:2-4).

haha learn to pronounce our prophet name correctly first

@@joeo3195 Yes bro I believe God is one as the Bible says countless times .“I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God” (Isaiah 44:6) “I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself” (Isaiah 44:24). Why would a Trinitarian God say these things. There's many other verses like these. You never ever see interaction between. God the father and the son in a preexistent form. Only earthly and post resurrection. However I do believe in the full deity of Jesus Christ. Him being the expressed visible image of God. “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily” (Colossians 2:9). " He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation." (Colossians 1:15)

@@jxcess3891 I agree Muhammad was clearly a false prophet.

Amir the bible says God is not man that should lie (Num 23:19). Jesus never lied because He was and is God. Mohammed practised taggiyah. Allah is the best of deceivers. I rest my case.

@@amir123786 God was never a man. He took the form of a man. There is a big difference in the understanding of the verse.

ola didi ...BRING YOUR EVIDENCE FOR YOU CLAIM... AND YES THE CASE CLOSED BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO CASE... WE WILL WAIT ON YOU TO GOOGLE YOU REPLY....LIKE WE BEEN WAITING ON THE HATERS WHO SPEAK WITH OUT KNOWLEDGE REGARDING ISLAAM TO BRING THIER PROOFS.. IF YOU HATE ISLAAM ...THEN FINE...BUT AT LEAST KNOW WHY YOU HATE IT...

ANNONEMUS REC-LABEL read the bible verse. That is all the evidence. It is up to you to accept it or not. I am of Christ and hatred is not in me.

ANNONEMUS REC-LABEL A perfect example of what islam teaches the paedophile worshipers there dopey. Keep up the great work exposing your paedophiles cult. Good job!

Lol ikr 😂😆🙊

Kings Warriors Stop Protecting your pagan religion if God entered a human form than he became a Man. You really are so stupid plus Jesus clearly confirms that he was a man in the bible so what you walfling about?? Do you not worship him?? If so Christians worship a Man simple.

That is a good point you make actually. I had only thought about it the way paperboy said that Gid never said he would never be a man But God isn't a man still, he was God before he entered his creation as Jesus and he is still God now he is not man like Adam was it is completely different situation

@@MustaphaRashiduddin-zx7rn no God can't die but flesh can die, you believe in afterlife right?

@King Buddy God is greater than human being. Its your imagination that is limited that you have to associate God with what you know about. We say, God is beyond our intellectual scope and imagination.

For pedophilia.. lol

Turn to Jesus the Son of the Living God.

Why is the prophet Daniel not in the false book Quran.

Turn away from Islam

The Punisher The funny thing is your Priests and Pastors molest little boys worldwide not Muslims and you believe God made Mary pregnant when she was 12 and Joesph was 90 when he married her. Christian talking about pedophilia is the most funniest and stupidest thing ever LOOOL

Mustapha Rashiduddin You mean like the paedophile muhammad cried to his baby bride Aisha when he was dying a horrible death from the poison a brave Jewess gave to him? Not before he suffered for two years in agony though, thoroughly humiliated by the true God of the Holy Bible for his perverted sick evil ways!

Next is Allah bullah

@Thinkers Corner praised one is blasphemy? in what religion, because it is NOT in my religion

@Thinkers Corner Firstly Qasim is the name of our prophets son. Secondly our Prophets name was given to him by his grandfather. The reason his grandfather called him Muhammed was. His grandfather said "I want the angels who live in the Sky and the people who live on the Earth to praise him. In conclusion I dont know where you are getting your fake news from, but they are feeding you a large volumes of trash. How sad!

@Thinkers Corner If someone is very intelligent or very strong, and I said to them. You are very strong or you are very intelligent. That is a praise, and if I am a believer in GoD; I am NOT only praising that individual. I am also acknowledging the favor and the blessing of GoD who was the one that bestowed that favor, and that blessing upon that individual. I don't think you have the noodles to understand what I just said lol.

Read that message 3 times so you can understand what i said

@tahane abdulaziz Mutah and breastfeeding doesn't?

@tahane abdulaziz Your god tells you to do mutah and breastfeeding. 😙😙😙😙

Did Jibrill squeeze you too! What a correct prophecy 😂😂

wow his got a real rep now, for running, lmao

He is fucking cool. Rocks the park, truely.

Because its truth

powning Aetheists that is correct. I was also disappointed. He always does this. And it now makes the muslim look like he is correct.

Powning Atheists What are you blabbing about you really are dumb The Trinity is One God in 3 persons but did any of the messengers preached that before. He is referring to the "3 persons" which no messenger ever preached so your main doctrine "Trinity" not only did no messenger preached but its not even in the BIBLE LOOOOL. If your so confident show me one place in the bible where the trinity exists this Pagan Concept of "One God in 3 persons" is was added in by the churches in Council of Nisa 325 and some Christians branched off like Catholics and Protestants. Prophet Jesus also never preached the Trinity he preached Worship of One God he never ever mentioned the 3 persons whom what you believe he always said worship Allah Alone. Please again show me the Trinity in your bible. [Quran 4:171] "O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."

@@Drizzymumin23 - What does Islam know about Jesus? You know only about some guy named Isa that Muhammad made up and put in the Quran. Its not even the right name. If you think Trinity is made up 300 years after Jesus, how much worse to have fake Jesus made up 600 years after Jesus? See how hypocrite you are? Every time I will destroy your argument by applying your own standards and logic to it. But, I like that you put 4:171 from the Quran, because it exposes your prophet and so you saved me some time. The verse says that Christians believe in 3 Gods. You told me in your own message that Trinity is 1 God, so you know more than your prophet and your Quran? LOL! Christianity is the adult table, the deep end; Islam is the kid's table, the shallow end. Islam is Kindergarten, Christianity is PhD. You will not win an argument against us, you will just make yourself look more foolish.

Powning Atheists You are so stupid do you know that Jesus is not his name and that the letter "J" did not exist in Hebrew until the 15th century so it is a known fact that Jesus was not his name you got your God name wrong you moron. He's name is Isa Ibn Maryam so what are you talking about. The mother of Jesus was also called Maryam and that is her name in the Quran but in the bible it says Mary which is no where near Maryam. Ibrahim is the name of Abraham in the bible but guess what his name was also changed to Abraham and Prophet Musa is which Muslims and Jews refer him as is changed in the NT to Mosses it is a known fact that Prophets in the bible real name were all changed into English names you moron. The letter "J" did not exist until the 15th century so Jesus, John, Jacob, Job, Jonah, Joesph are all made up names and are not there real name. This is known facts so next time dont be stupid when you say fake Jesus as if thats his real name you sound stupid. You also used a Red Herring and did not want to show me one place in the bible where "Trinity" is in the bible since we all know that Pagan Concept was added in the Council of Nisa 325.

Powning Atheists [Quran 4 171] does not say Christians worship 3 gods you idiot it says you worship One God but decided to put him into "THREE" persons. You clearly dont know English and is blind read the verse carefully you moron. The verse does not say "Christians believe in 3 gods" like what is wrong with you are it is saying you put God in Three. You Christians worship Three Gods in 1 do you not?? This is the commentary of this verse (Commentary Noor al-Quran, Vol4, Page: 532) This phrase means that you believe in oneness of God, and yet in the meantime, you accept trinity. But if Allah had a child, the child would be like Him, and, in this case, oneness of God is meaningless. How can Allah have a child while He is far from being in need of the deficiency of wife and child, and from the deficiency of body and of being a body. This is another verses proving my claim read carefully and stop being an idiot. This is what the Christians say We worship "One God in Three" [Quran 5.73] Surely they disbelieve those who say: “Allah is one of three.” There is only one God. If they will not desist from what they say, a painful torment shall befall the disbelievers among them. This is what happens when you are ignorant and arrogant and jump to conclusions the facts is Christianity revolves around the "Trinity" which does not exist in the bible and if that does not exist in the bible then Christianity does not exist all together. Prophet Jesus also never claimed to be God in his entire life I asked you to show me even one place in the bible and you refused to show me. The main doctrines in your bible are not in there blindly following a religion like a sheep a decided a messenger of Allah to be equivalent with him shame on you. Stop doing Red hearings and show me in the bible only once the concept of "Trinity" and Jesus claiming to be Allah. If you cannot then Christianity is Kindergarten or whatever term you used its funny because the word Christianity was used as insult towards people who were pagans and worshipped Jesus by the jews centuries later. Anyways answer my Questions and do not deflect it hahaha im waiting buddy. Do not use Red Herring again.

Who cares what it says in the bible. Its written by numerous contradicting authors and everyone knows that bits have been taken out or added in over the centuries.

@@ameen7538 ah ok. That's a separate debate we can have. What's your summary of what you believe?

Don't bother with muslims they're indoctrinated..

@tahane abdulaziz interesting. My Muslim friend said Muslims do believe you have a spirit and that goes to heaven. Are you sure you believe you only have a body? I can only use the biblical text that consistently confirms god's position as man. Are you saying that God is limited in what he can do? Jesus in one as God who came in human form to allow us to be sure of our salvation through his perfect sacrifice. Are you sure you will go to heaven?

@tahane abdulaziz is god limited? And what did he mean when your Qur'an said he made man in his image?

Liseby Mania You have no idea what your talking about if you think only Israel had prophets Allah sent down more than 124 Thousands Prophets. Prophet Noah is Iraqian, Prophet Abraham is a Iraqian, Prophet Mosses is an Egyptian, Prophet Job is Jordanian, Prophet Hud is Arabian and Prophet Muhammed is Arabian. Allah also took back the convent from the Israelites and gave it to the Ishmaelite's (Muslims).

No Name He never did these Christians just lie to themselves thats why when you asked him he never responded hes delusional mate

Boo Who who What are you talking about show your evidence and verse how come Jesus according to the bible ordered the killing of innocent people including Babies and Infants and told them to capture and rape all the young virgin girls huh?? According to the bible Jesus also slayed and killed anyone who didn’t want him to be king over him.

Boo Who who You fool this is not a Hadith nor is it the Quran. We Muslims do not accept anything unless it’s Quran or Hadith so next time you copy and paste from Anti-Islam website think or use your brain you moron

Boo Who who Surah 9-5 is explainable but your too ignorant to listen. Jesus said in the bible to bring and kill anyone who don’t want him to be king over him. Can you see the difference one is in War Context the other one is forcing beliefs and killing innocents. You again never refuted that Jesus in the bible ordered the killing of children and infants and to capture and rape all the young virgin girls. You need to read your own bible which is disgusting and way more violent than the Quran. I also said Muslims accept Quran and Authentic Hadith you brought a biography written two hundred years after which is unreliable and what does biology or mathematics have to do with anything I said. Shut up and refute what I said instead of waffling we are having a Quran vs Bible debate so show verses in the Quran and I will show verses in the bible like I just did

Boo Who who I have no idea who you calling princess like are you gay my nigga. Second of all you proved infallible historical records nearly Witten 200 years after which contains error. Prophet Muhammed pbuh was offered by God to be a a prophet like a king just like Prophet David or Solomon or be near and close to the people and be poor prophet. He chose the life of a poverty. Prophet Muhammed grew up an orphan also grew up poor and did not like money but was to busy in his every day life preaching and praying to the almighty Allah to suggest that he killed someone for loot is ridiculous and then not only show me in a biography which is not accepted by muslims shows how incompetent you are. Prophet Muhammed and his companions use to go months with no food and was hungry and only dates to satisfy his hungers. In fact the Messenger of Allah was poor and commanded muslims to donate money to the poor every year minimum of 2.5 percent of there wealth and to adopt an orphan and fast in the days of Ramadan to get closer to God and feel what they poor individuals feel. Zakat and Fast are two of the most important pillars of Islam learn about it. Here are some verses to support my claims. 'My poverty is my pride" The Islamic prophet, Muhammad" [Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2978] Umar reported: I saw the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, spend the entire day suffering from hunger. He could not find even the worst dates with which to fill his stomach. [Sahih Bukhari, Revelation, Volume 1, Book 1, Number 5] Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: "Allah's Apostle was the most generous of all the people, and he used to reach the peak in generosity in the month of Ramadan when Gabriel met him. Gabriel used to meet him every night of Ramadan to teach him the Qur'an. Allah's Apostle was the most generous person, even more generous than the strong uncontrollable wind (in readiness and haste to do charitable deeds). " [Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 22, Number 3341] "The Prophet owed me a debt and gave me something extra when he paid it. [Bukahri] “On the Day of the Ditch, we were digging and a hard bit of rock became exposed. We went to the Prophet ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam (peace and blessings of Allāh be upon him) and said, “‘There is a hard bit of rock exposed in the Ditch.’ He said, ‘I am coming down.’ He got up and there was a stone tied to his belly. We had been three days without eating at all. The Prophet ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam (peace and blessings of Allāh be upon him) took a pick and struck it and it became like soft sand.”

Can you prove your scriptures are from the Holy Spirit?

Holddd on there.. sound doctrine ? Trinity?

@@mustie9045 It's in the Bible. 1 John 5:7.

Reece no offence but the trinity doctrine is far from sound

@@mustie9045 Your opinion. Word of God says differently.

they still haven,t learnt with their attacks on jews, and they wonder in jealousy how Christendom is so much futher in-front than ANY of their state,s

bob can, tkeep up the chase as you know shamsi will run

Can God become mortal?

How can you rational God saying He is not a "Man" and then he becomes a man.

Ronaldo رونالدو u mean big/bigger? Bigger than what?

bollocks ,knobhead

like delusion much?

He usually only picks a sentence from a verse that suits his argument

1. Aliens, fallen angels or Jinn? Have you ever felt confused by the concept of fallen angels? Wouldn't it be amazing if belief in God and Jesus' teachings could co-exist with ETs and recent findings in Quantum Theory without reducing it all to evil aliens, demons and fallen angels out to destroy us? Here's my best attempt at explaining what I have understood through several years of research and it involves understanding the concept of Jinn (hidden races) in Islam in contrast to that of fallen angels in modern Judeo-Christian doctrine and the reasons for the divergence. The concept of Jinn in Islam seems to corroborate what we find in many other traditions (Annunaki, Asuras/Devas from Hinduism, Aesir/Vanir from Norse myth, Titans, Archons, elemental spirits etc) albeit contradictory to the concept of fallen angels/demons found in current Judeo-Christian doctrine. The word Jinn literally means something hidden from our perception. The same root is used in the word "Jannah" which is often translated to Paradise (i.e. a plane of existence that is currently hidden from us). Please note; paradise is believed to be an entirely separate existence and not to be confused with "heaven/samaa" which refer to the cosmos. What is hidden can eventually be seen so this is not a permanent state. In one verse, we can see the word "jinn" used to refer to humans: An-Najm 53:32 ٱلَّذِينَ يَجْتَنِبُونَ كَبَٰٓئِرَ ٱلْإِثْمِ وَٱلْفَوَٰحِشَ إِلَّا ٱللَّمَمَۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ وَٰسِعُ ٱلْمَغْفِرَةِۚ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِكُمْ إِذْ أَنشَأَكُم مِّنَ ٱلْأَرْضِ وَإِذْ أَنتُمْ أَجِنَّةٌ فِى بُطُونِ أُمَّهَٰتِكُمْۖ فَلَا تُزَكُّوٓا۟ أَنفُسَكُمْۖ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنِ ٱتَّقَىٰٓ Those who avoid enormities of sin and abominations, save the unwilled offences - (for them) lo! thy Lord is of vast mercy. He is Best Aware of you (from the time) when He created you from the earth, and when ye were *hidden (أَجِنَّةٌ) in the bellies of your mothers. Therefor ascribe not purity unto yourselves. He is Best Aware of him who wardeth off (evil). Based on above, humans can also be "jinn/hidden" for the races that do not perceive us, nor would the races that we refer to as "jinn" refer to themselves as such as they would be visible in their own dimensions. On that note, the word Insaan/Naas, which translates to mankind/people is derived from the root "نسي/nsy" which means "to forget". The children of Adam are a subset of Insan, hence at times you find verses in Qur'an which refer to Bani Adam and elsewhere Insaan/Naas. So what did we forget? Al-A'raf 7:172 When thy Lord drew forth from the Children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants, and made them testify concerning themselves, (saying): "Am I not your Lord (who cherishes and sustains you)?"- They said: "Yea! We do testify!" (This), lest ye should say on the Day of Judgment: "Of this we were never mindful": Man had to forget their original state in order to have free will, unlike the angels. Any number over infinite reduces to 0 after all, thus our free will would not have been possible without the amnesia. Free will would be eradicated if we even caught a glimpse of God’s creations such as the throne/paradise, let alone God himself. The jinn/hidden races are not angels but free willed agents living in diverse communities like man. Al-Jinn 72:11 وَأَنَّا مِنَّا ٱلصَّٰلِحُونَ وَمِنَّا دُونَ ذَٰلِكَۖ كُنَّا طَرَآئِقَ قِدَدًا 'There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary: we follow divergent paths. The children of Adam by definition would have to be the "aliens" as we are the newcomers to this universe. Verses below clearly state that other races preceded man in order of creation: Al-Hijr 15:24 وَلَقَدْ عَلِمْنَا ٱلْمُسْتَقْدِمِينَ مِنكُمْ وَلَقَدْ عَلِمْنَا ٱلْمُسْتَـْٔخِرِينَ We know exactly those of you who come first and those who come later. Al-Hijr 15:25 وَإِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ يَحْشُرُهُمْۚ إِنَّهُۥ حَكِيمٌ عَلِيمٌ Assuredly it is thy Lord Who will gather them together: for He is perfect in Wisdom and Knowledge. Al-Hijr 15:26 وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا ٱلْإِنسَٰنَ مِن صَلْصَٰلٍ مِّنْ حَمَإٍ مَّسْنُونٍ We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape; Al-Hijr 15:27 وَٱلْجَآنَّ خَلَقْنَٰهُ مِن قَبْلُ مِن نَّارِ ٱلسَّمُومِ And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind. The stars / plasma energy precedes the formation of the atoms that make up the earth/man so it makes sense that a plasma based creation preceded man. As for the angels; the Qur'an teaches they are light beings and incapable of evil and do not possess free will. They are also genderless and not able to procreate, so definitely not responsible for the Nephilim/human hybrids mentioned in Genesis 6:4. At-Tahrim 66:6 O ye who believe! save yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is Men and Stones, over which are (appointed) angels stern (and) severe, who flinch not (from executing) the Commands they receive from Allah, but do (precisely) what they are commanded. Az-Zukhruf 43:19 And they have made the angels, who are servants of the Most Merciful, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded, and they will be questioned. Life is believed to exist in all states of matter (plasma, solid, gas, liquid); Heaven/earth, up/down. Fire/air being heavenly matter and water/earth being earthly (as above so below) Azazel (Lucifer/Satan) was a fire based Jinn that rose to the ranks of the Angels, though was NOT an angel as opposed to the modern Judeo-Christian narrative originating out of Babylon/Constantine & the Athanasian creed. I believe the original Torah given to Moses (pbuh) was encoded in light/sapphire/crystals (not stone tablets) and we only have fragments of the original revelations but that's a topic for another day... Satan's disbelief was only possible because he was of the jinn and NOT an angel. Al-Kahf 18:50 And (remember) when We said unto the angels: Fall prostrate to Adam*, and they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He was of the jinn, so he rebelled against his Lord's command. Will ye choose him and his seed for your protecting friends instead of Me, when they are an enemy unto you? Calamitous is the exchange for evil-doers. Al-A'raf 7:11 And We have certainly created you and given you [human] form. Then We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam"*; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was not of those who prostrated. Al-A'raf 7:12 قَالَ مَا مَنَعَكَ أَلَّا تَسْجُدَ إِذْ أَمَرْتُكَۖ قَالَ أَنَا۠ خَيْرٌ مِّنْهُ خَلَقْتَنِى مِن نَّارٍ وَخَلَقْتَهُۥ مِن طِينٍ [ Allah ] said, "What prevented you from prostrating when I commanded you?" [Satan] said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay." *Sidenote; to (‘li’ in Arabic) also means ‘for/because of’ which I believe is the most correct interpretation, meaning the angels did not direct their prostration to Adam but to God in order to commemorate the creation of Adam. Satan in fact refused to bow to God due to his arrogance and hatred of Adam. Devils/demons are not primordial entities or angels 'programmed' by God and were originally free willed races that can be of men or jinn. Al-An'am 6:112 And thus We have made for every prophet an enemy - devils from mankind and jinn, inspiring to one another decorative speech in delusion. But if your Lord had willed, they would not have done it, so leave them and that which they invent. A devil can be understood as a psychopath unable to feel love/empathy. God did not create any primordially evil entities on autopilot simply to test mankind as the usual apologetics go, though free willed creation have the capacity to become devils. God allows evil to exist through free willed creation and no evil can be attributed to him. Suffering/hell/evil is brought into existence due to the actions of free willed creation and is a state of separation from God. Ar-Rum 30:41 Corruption doth appear on land and sea because of (the evil) which men's hands have done, that has may make them taste a part of that which they have done, in order that they may return. Ash-Shura 42:30 وَمَآ أَصَٰبَكُم مِّن مُّصِيبَةٍ فَبِمَا كَسَبَتْ أَيْدِيكُمْ وَيَعْفُوا۟ عَن كَثِيرٍ And whatever strikes you of disaster - it is for what your hands have earned; but He pardons much. Considering angels don't originally know of evil, the following verse I believe proves ET life pre-Adam and gives hint to a previous corruption: Al-Baqarah 2:30 And when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to place a viceroy in the earth, they said: Wilt thou place therein one who will do harm therein and will shed blood, while we, we hymn Thy praise and sanctify Thee? He said: Surely I know that which ye know not. The angels would not have known corruption and bloodshed unless they had witnessed free willed creation acting as such. It is therefore believed that the Judeo Christian faiths have been distorted to remove the existence of pre-adamite races/jinn....but why? I feel the answer lies in understanding the duality & nature of evil in our universe.

2. Duality, free will & the problem of evil If Satan did exist in an alternate dimension connected to ours and had some reason to manipulate man.. he would prefer we knew nothing of the true nature of his race and their existence. Al-A'raf 7:27 يَٰبَنِىٓ ءَادَمَ لَا يَفْتِنَنَّكُمُ ٱلشَّيْطَٰنُ كَمَآ أَخْرَجَ أَبَوَيْكُم مِّنَ ٱلْجَنَّةِ يَنزِعُ عَنْهُمَا لِبَاسَهُمَا لِيُرِيَهُمَا سَوْءَٰتِهِمَآۗ إِنَّهُۥ يَرَىٰكُمْ هُوَ وَقَبِيلُهُۥ مِنْ حَيْثُ لَا تَرَوْنَهُمْۗ إِنَّا جَعَلْنَا ٱلشَّيَٰطِينَ أَوْلِيَآءَ لِلَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ O children of Adam, let not Satan tempt you as he removed your parents from Paradise, stripping them of their raiments to show them their private parts. Indeed, he sees you, he and his tribe, from where you do not see them. Indeed, We have made the devils allies to those who do not believe. All of creation originates out of unity. The above indicates Adams original body did not have private parts as excretion of waste/ death or decay was not part of their existence (i.e. carbon man was not the original form). Our universe came from a single seed and the duality came after. Al-Anbiya 21:30 أَوَلَمْ يَرَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ أَنَّ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَٰهُمَاۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ ٱلْمَآءِ كُلَّ شَىْءٍ حَىٍّۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? Hud 11:7 وَهُوَ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضَ فِى سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ وَكَانَ عَرْشُهُۥ عَلَى ٱلْمَآءِ لِيَبْلُوَكُمْ أَيُّكُمْ أَحْسَنُ عَمَلًاۗ وَلَئِن قُلْتَ إِنَّكُم مَّبْعُوثُونَ مِنۢ بَعْدِ ٱلْمَوْتِ لَيَقُولَنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ إِنْ هَٰذَآ إِلَّا سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ And it is He who created the heavens and the earth in six days - and His Throne had been upon water - that He might test you as to which of you is best in deed. But if you say, "Indeed, you are resurrected after death," those who disbelieve will surely say, "This is not but obvious magic." Water or "maa" here does not refer to the water on earth (H2O) but a primordial substance which brings existence into reality through the word. Ya Sin 36:82 إِنَّمَآ أَمْرُهُۥٓ إِذَآ أَرَادَ شَيْـًٔا أَن يَقُولَ لَهُۥ كُن فَيَكُونُ His command is only when He intends a thing that He says to it, "Be," and it is. Duality and free will was built into the cosmos. Post the "big bang", when it was a dense hot gas, the initial building blocks of life were made, as understood in the following verse; Fussilat 41:11 ثُمَّ ٱسْتَوَىٰٓ إِلَى ٱلسَّمَآءِ وَهِىَ دُخَانٌ فَقَالَ لَهَا وَلِلْأَرْضِ ٱئْتِيَا طَوْعًا أَوْ كَرْهًا قَالَتَآ أَتَيْنَا طَآئِعِينَ Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We have come willingly." Free willed creation exists in duality which can be represented by triune forces, with the angelic dimension being the neutral balancing force underpinning order and the laws of nature in the universe and man/jinn being the positive/negative pulls (proton electron neutron / quarks leptons bosons (force carriers), man/jinn/angels). Free willed creation can magnify the inherent order or create chaos, entropy and disunity. Everything was created in pairs so our universe has a partner universe (matter/anti matter,yin/yang, male/female). Adh-Dhariyat 51:49 وَمِن كُلِّ شَىْءٍ خَلَقْنَا زَوْجَيْنِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَذَكَّرُونَ And all things We have created by pairs, that haply ye may reflect. There are two cosmic seas with a barrier in between them. Ar-Rahman 55:19 مَرَجَ ٱلْبَحْرَيْنِ يَلْتَقِيَانِ He hath loosed the two seas. They meet. Ar-Rahman 55:20 بَيْنَهُمَا بَرْزَخٌ لَّا يَبْغِيَانِ There is a barrier between them. They encroach not (one upon the other). Below is a verse clearly indicating the two masses/classes of sentient beings and their demise/end (angels excluded as they lack free will); Ar-Rahman 55:31 سَنَفْرُغُ لَكُمْ أَيُّهَ ٱلثَّقَلَانِ English - Pickthall We shall dispose of you, O ye two dependents (man and jinn). English - Yusuf Ali Soon shall We settle your affairs, O both ye worlds! English - Tafsir Jalalayn We will attend to you, We shall turn to reckon with you, O you two heavy ones! (mankind and jinn) The word "thaqal" means "mass" amongst other meanings as above. Angels are excluded in the verses as they are of course light beings/massless. I also believe this is the reason we always have 3 groups of subatomic particles and not any other arbitrary number. Every human being has a companion in the other dimension known as "qareen" since Adam's descent to lowest heaven (galactic root) into duality from unity. The Arabic word for this companion is "qareen". It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no one among you but a companion from among the jinn has been assigned to him.” They said, “Even you, O Messenger of Allaah?’ He said, “Even me, but Allaah helped me with him and he became Muslim (submitted to God), so he only enjoins me to do that which is good.” I believe the qareen is like an anti-matter version of ourselves, not inherently evil but a reflection of us. Hence we are all responsible for our own deeds. Following verse reveals a scenario on Judgement day when an evil person will try and blame their qareen: Qaf 50:27 قَالَ قَرِينُهُۥ رَبَّنَا مَآ أَطْغَيْتُهُۥ وَلَٰكِن كَانَ فِى ضَلَٰلٍۭ بَعِيدٍ His [devil] companion will say, "Our Lord, I did not make him transgress, but he [himself] was in extreme error." Qaf 50:28 قَالَ لَا تَخْتَصِمُوا۟ لَدَىَّ وَقَدْ قَدَّمْتُ إِلَيْكُم بِٱلْوَعِيدِ [ Allah ] will say, "Do not dispute before Me, while I had already presented to you the warning. Qaf 50:29 مَا يُبَدَّلُ ٱلْقَوْلُ لَدَىَّ وَمَآ أَنَا۠ بِظَلَّٰمٍ لِّلْعَبِيدِ The word will not be changed with Me, and never will I be unjust to the servants." Everything created thing is dependent on something else. Our bodies would be lifeless without the air we breathe and electrical energy running through our body. On the same note, electricity/plasma energy will dissipate without grounding/earth. God is the infinite and absolute creator of all life, who alone is self subsisting without any equal or partner. Al-Ikhlas 112:1 قُلْ هُوَ ٱللَّهُ أَحَدٌ Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Al-Ikhlas 112:2 ٱللَّهُ ٱلصَّمَدُ Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; Al-Ikhlas 112:3 لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; Al-Ikhlas 112:4 وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُۥ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌۢ And there is none like unto Him. So now we ask...can there be more than one logical infinite? Where does the idea of trinity originate and what purpose does it serve for man to define the idea of God in such a way?

3. Trinity, the antichrist and worship of false gods The trinity is seen as an attempt by Satan to get man to worship the creation instead of the creator. Here's a verse in the Qur'an addressing trinitarians; An-Nisa' 4:171 يَٰٓأَهْلَ ٱلْكِتَٰبِ لَا تَغْلُوا۟ فِى دِينِكُمْ وَلَا تَقُولُوا۟ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ إِلَّا ٱلْحَقَّۚ إِنَّمَا ٱلْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ٱبْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ ٱللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُۥٓ أَلْقَىٰهَآ إِلَىٰ مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِّنْهُۖ فَـَٔامِنُوا۟ بِٱللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِۦۖ وَلَا تَقُولُوا۟ ثَلَٰثَةٌۚ ٱنتَهُوا۟ خَيْرًا لَّكُمْۚ إِنَّمَا ٱللَّهُ إِلَٰهٌ وَٰحِدٌۖ سُبْحَٰنَهُۥٓ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُۥ وَلَدٌۘ لَّهُۥ مَا فِى ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَمَا فِى ٱلْأَرْضِۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِٱللَّهِ وَكِيلًا O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender. The idea of a physical god is what created the Varna system of the Hindus, legitimised the slave trade amongst the Christians, created divine rule, split up humanity .. and is currently fuelling trump/white supremacy. Humanity needs to collectively realise that God is far above any figment of our imagination before they can unite on a planetary level let alone cosmic. The first verse in the Qur'an describes God as lord of "al-alameen" which is an extreme plural of worlds/universes. The existence of life throughout the cosmos indicates order on an unimaginable scale and indicates the existence of a truly infinite creator. Ash-Shura 42:29 وَمِنْ ءَايَٰتِهِۦ خَلْقُ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِ وَمَا بَثَّ فِيهِمَا مِن دَآبَّةٍۚ وَهُوَ عَلَىٰ جَمْعِهِمْ إِذَا يَشَآءُ قَدِيرٌ And of his signs is the creation of the heavens and earth and what He has dispersed throughout them of creatures. And He, for gathering them when He wills, is competent. An-Nahl 16:49 وَلِلَّهِ يَسْجُدُ مَا فِى ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَمَا فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ مِن دَآبَّةٍ وَٱلْمَلَٰٓئِكَةُ وَهُمْ لَا يَسْتَكْبِرُونَ And to Allah prostrates whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth of creatures, and the angels [as well], and they are not arrogant. A basic understanding of God necessitates that God is incontingent thus has no begining or end and no dependency on energy time or space. Restricting God to human form and all creation to man and demons is seen an attempt by Satan to close our minds to Gods true power and reality. The trinity isn't anything new (Osiris Isis Horus / Brahma Shiva Vishnu). Atheism and ironically paganism relies on an infinite chaos/randomness being the foundation of our existence (e.g. Amun Ra coming out of Nun the chaotic sea). As scientific knowledge increases, I believe we'll soon find there is no such thing as randomness/coincidence and we will rule both of these philosophies out as irrational. I firmly believe microbial life is connected to or at least the effect of life across dimensions as nothing is random or coincidence (I don't think there's a word for random/coincidence in Hebrew/Arabic which says a lot!) Constantine’s version of Christianity & the Athanasian creed is seen as corruption of Christ's original teachings and is in reality pagan philosophy masquerading as monotheism and an attempt at keeping mans mind closed off to the full glory of the cosmos and thereby God. I firmly believe Saul of Tarsus (who massacred Christians for a living) was visited by a devil and not inspired by God or visited by Jesus(pbuh). God incarnating to a finite physical being to pay a blood sacrifice is not a universal nor logical principle. Belief in a physical god assists Satan and the antichrist in misguiding mankind as it is believed that some of the jinn are able to shapeshift to take any form and they probably have access to technology we couldn't dream of. Excerpts from an interesting narration about the antichrist: "He will emerge from Al-Khallah, between Syria and Iraq, and will wreak havoc right and left. O slaves of Allah, remain steadfast. I will describe him to you in a manner in which none of the Prophets has described him before me. He will start by saying "I am a Prophet," and there is no Prophet after me. Then a second time he will say: "I am your Lord." But you will not see your Lord until you die." "Part of his Fitnah (tribulation) will be that he will say to a Bedouin: "What do you think, if I resurrect your father and mother for you, will you bear witness that I am your Lord?" He will say: "Yes." Then two devils will appear to him in the form of his father and mother and will say: "O my son, follow him, for he is your Lord." "Part of his Fitnah will be that he will command the sky to rain, and it will rain, and he will command the earth to bring forth vegetation and it will do so." (narrated by Ibn Majah) So if there were races preceding man who have such capabilities and wish to be worshipped as gods...we hope you can understand why most Muslims find the idea of worshiping a physical god or any figment of our imagination absurd. Al-An'am 6:100 وَجَعَلُوا۟ لِلَّهِ شُرَكَآءَ ٱلْجِنَّ وَخَلَقَهُمْۖ وَخَرَقُوا۟ لَهُۥ بَنِينَ وَبَنَٰتٍۭ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍۚ سُبْحَٰنَهُۥ وَتَعَٰلَىٰ عَمَّا يَصِفُونَ Yet they ascribe as partners unto Him the jinn, although He did create them, and impute falsely, without knowledge, sons and daughters unto Him. Glorified be He and High Exalted above (all) that they ascribe (unto Him). Muslims believe they will identify the true Jesus as he will not claim to be God but will in fact disassociate himself from anyone who worshipped him. Jewish orthodoxy has never believed the Messiah is God or will ever claim to be God and in fact any human who claims that is a blasphemer calling to idolatry. I believe Christians have closed their mind off to modern scientific findings and a universe full of life due to the anthropomorphisation of God, giving rise to beliefs in flat earth and the firmament.

4. Flat earth and closed system cosmology In my experience I have found Christian's struggle with the concept of Jinn/ET precisely due to the mangod paradigm...after all.. what would Christ's alleged death on the cross mean for beings who live in other dimensions or planets? Most Christians I have met are persistent that Man angels and animals are God's only creation and scoff at the idea of Jinn/ET. I personally feel reducing all of existence to man, demons and angels is the very reason flat earth and closed system cosmology is on the rise, as we'd have to be the center of the universe and Gods only creation for the narrative to make any sense. Show quoted text Now imagine if humans were given the keys to the cosmos and were to encounter such a creation. Let's look at how we treat our planet and it's inhabitants ...now imagine that on a cosmic scale. Don't despair...ascension seems to be possible: Al-Hijr 15:14 وَلَوْ فَتَحْنَا عَلَيْهِم بَابًا مِّنَ ٱلسَّمَآءِ فَظَلُّوا۟ فِيهِ يَعْرُجُونَ Even if We opened out to them a gate from heaven, and they were to continue (all day) ascending therein, Al-Hijr 15:15 لَقَالُوٓا۟ إِنَّمَا سُكِّرَتْ أَبْصَٰرُنَا بَلْ نَحْنُ قَوْمٌ مَّسْحُورُونَ They would say: Our sight is wrong - nay, but we are folk bewitched. Al-Hijr 15:16 وَلَقَدْ جَعَلْنَا فِى ٱلسَّمَآءِ بُرُوجًا وَزَيَّنَّٰهَا لِلنَّٰظِرِينَ And verily in the heaven we have set mansions of the stars, and We have beautified it for beholders. Al-A'raf 7:96 وَلَوْ أَنَّ أَهْلَ ٱلْقُرَىٰٓ ءَامَنُوا۟ وَٱتَّقَوْا۟ لَفَتَحْنَا عَلَيْهِم بَرَكَٰتٍ مِّنَ ٱلسَّمَآءِ وَٱلْأَرْضِ وَلَٰكِن كَذَّبُوا۟ فَأَخَذْنَٰهُم بِمَا كَانُوا۟ يَكْسِبُونَ And if only the people of the cities had believed and been mindful of God, We would have opened upon them blessings from the heaven and the earth; but they rejected (the truth), so We seized them for what they were earning." Fussilat 41:53 سَنُرِيهِمْ ءَايَٰتِنَا فِى ٱلْءَافَاقِ وَفِىٓ أَنفُسِهِمْ حَتَّىٰ يَتَبَيَّنَ لَهُمْ أَنَّهُ ٱلْحَقُّۗ أَوَلَمْ يَكْفِ بِرَبِّكَ أَنَّهُۥ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَىْءٍ شَهِيدٌ Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions, and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things? So do we know of anyone who has ascended?

5. Ascension, the return of Jesus(pbuh) & the golden age Now we've all been wondering ... Is physical ascension possible and where is the proof? Jesus! Many people including fellow Muslims think I've been watching too much star wars... but hear me out. The Qur'an clearly states Jesus(pbuh) was not killed but physically raised up to the heavens: An-Nisa' 4:157 وَقَوْلِهِمْ إِنَّا قَتَلْنَا ٱلْمَسِيحَ عِيسَى ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولَ ٱللَّهِ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَٰكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُمْۚ وَإِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ ٱخْتَلَفُوا۟ فِيهِ لَفِى شَكٍّ مِّنْهُۚ مَا لَهُم بِهِۦ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِلَّا ٱتِّبَاعَ ٱلظَّنِّۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِينًۢا And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. An-Nisa' 4:158 بَل رَّفَعَهُ ٱللَّهُ إِلَيْهِۚ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ عَزِيزًا حَكِيمًا But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise. An-Nisa' 4:159 وَإِن مِّنْ أَهْلِ ٱلْكِتَٰبِ إِلَّا لَيُؤْمِنَنَّ بِهِۦ قَبْلَ مَوْتِهِۦۖ وَيَوْمَ ٱلْقِيَٰمَةِ يَكُونُ عَلَيْهِمْ شَهِيدًا There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them An-Nisa' 4:160 فَبِظُلْمٍ مِّنَ ٱلَّذِينَ هَادُوا۟ حَرَّمْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ طَيِّبَٰتٍ أُحِلَّتْ لَهُمْ وَبِصَدِّهِمْ عَن سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِ كَثِيرًا Because of the wrongdoing of the Jews We forbade them good things which were (before) made lawful unto them, and because of their much hindering from Allah's way, An-Nisa' 4:161 وَأَخْذِهِمُ ٱلرِّبَوٰا۟ وَقَدْ نُهُوا۟ عَنْهُ وَأَكْلِهِمْ أَمْوَٰلَ ٱلنَّاسِ بِٱلْبَٰطِلِۚ وَأَعْتَدْنَا لِلْكَٰفِرِينَ مِنْهُمْ عَذَابًا أَلِيمًا And of their taking usury when they were forbidden it, and of their devouring people's wealth by false pretences, We have prepared for those of them who disbelieve a painful doom. Aal-e-Imran 3:55 إِذْ قَالَ ٱللَّهُ يَٰعِيسَىٰٓ إِنِّى مُتَوَفِّيكَ وَرَافِعُكَ إِلَىَّ وَمُطَهِّرُكَ مِنَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا۟ وَجَاعِلُ ٱلَّذِينَ ٱتَّبَعُوكَ فَوْقَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ ٱلْقِيَٰمَةِۖ ثُمَّ إِلَىَّ مَرْجِعُكُمْ فَأَحْكُمُ بَيْنَكُمْ فِيمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ (And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ. Az-Zukhruf 43:57 وَلَمَّا ضُرِبَ ٱبْنُ مَرْيَمَ مَثَلًا إِذَا قَوْمُكَ مِنْهُ يَصِدُّونَ And when the son of Mary was presented as an example, immediately your people laughed aloud. Az-Zukhruf 43:58 وَقَالُوٓا۟ ءَأَٰلِهَتُنَا خَيْرٌ أَمْ هُوَۚ مَا ضَرَبُوهُ لَكَ إِلَّا جَدَلًۢاۚ بَلْ هُمْ قَوْمٌ خَصِمُونَ And they said, "Are our gods better, or is he?" They did not present the comparison except for [mere] argument. But, [in fact], they are a people prone to dispute. Az-Zukhruf 43:59 إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا عَبْدٌ أَنْعَمْنَا عَلَيْهِ وَجَعَلْنَٰهُ مَثَلًا لِّبَنِىٓ إِسْرَٰٓءِيلَ Jesus was not but a servant upon whom We bestowed favor, and We made him an example for the Children of Israel. Az-Zukhruf 43:60 وَلَوْ نَشَآءُ لَجَعَلْنَا مِنكُم مَّلَٰٓئِكَةً فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ يَخْلُفُونَ And if We willed, We could have made [instead] of you angels succeeding [one another] on the earth. Az-Zukhruf 43:61 وَإِنَّهُۥ لَعِلْمٌ لِّلسَّاعَةِ فَلَا تَمْتَرُنَّ بِهَا وَٱتَّبِعُونِۚ هَٰذَا صِرَٰطٌ مُّسْتَقِيمٌ And indeed, Jesus will be [a sign for] knowledge of the Hour, so be not in doubt of it, and follow Me. This is a straight path. Muslims believe in a cosmic golden age that kicks off after the return of Jesus(pbuh)/defeat of antichrist/eradication of Gog/Magog. Narration (Sunan Ibn Majah): The Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will be a just judge and a just ruler in my ummah (people) . . . He will abandon the collection of zakat;grudge and mutual hatred will be lifted (removed), the sting of every stinging insect will be removed until a baby will insert his finger in snake's mouth and it will not harm him, and the wolf will be like the dog among the sheep (safeguarding them). Earth will be filled with peace, just as a vessel is filled with water; the word (kalima) will become one (i.e., only Islam will prevail) and only Allah will be worshipped; the battle will put down its weapons (i.e., come to an end) and the dominion of the Qurayshis will be broken... "The earth will be like a silver platter, with its vegetation growing as it did at the time of Adam, until a group of people will gather around one bunch of grapes and it will suffice them, and a group will gather around a single pomegranate and it will suffice them. An ox will be sold for such and such amount of money, and a horse will be sold for a few Dirham.' They said: 'O Messenger of Allah, why will horses be so cheap?' He said: 'They will never be ridden in war again.' It was said to him: 'Why will oxen be so expensive?' He said: 'Because all the land will be tilled." Narration (Sahih Muslim) Then Earth will be told to bring forth its fruit and restore its blessing. As a result thereof, there would grow (such a big) pomegranate that a group of people will be able to eat it and seek shelter under its skin. A milk cow will give so much milk that a whole party will able to drink. A milk camel will give such (a large quantity of) milk that the whole tribe will be able to drink out of it, and a milk sheep will give so much milk that the whole family will able to drink out of that… Perhaps Jesus (pbuh) will have the knowledge that takes man to a cosmic golden age? Doesn't that seem so much more awesome than being the sacrificial lamb? Now how do we attain salvation if not through the torture and death of one of God's greatest prophets?

Is Jesus a Man Yes LOOOOOL you refuted yourself I like how you left out the first point clearly which said "God is not a Man". Jesus also asked for forgiveness and repent and what so important of not lying all the messengers of God dont lie such as Prophet Muhammed, Abraham, Mosses Noah and ETC.

The first use of the English word "man" in that verse is the Hebrew word "iysh." It's comparative. Meaning God is not in sin like a man who is capable of lying. The second use is son of "adam" which means born of man which is accurate at the time that God spoke this. Jesus had not yet been born to us. I didn't leave anything out. You don't understand because you don't read the Injil. Jesus never asked for forgiveness, except for others, like you... and me. He also had the power to forgive. What is so important about not lying??? Have you ever lied? Do you know anyone who has never lied? Isaiah and Daniel were prophets of God. Are they liars? Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Daniel 7:13-14 13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. How about being born of a virgin? Or creating a bird out of clay and breathing life into it? Healing the blind and lepers? Raising the dead? You know anyone who has done that? Ever? Also, aren't you supposed to say "peace be upon them" when you name all of those prophets?

Spence Jr You should really read more of what the prophets wrote that I presume you believe in and not just Muhammad. There is a birthright you can claim that Jesus has provided out of love and grace. Don’t be like Esau and reject it. Isaiah 42:13 [13] The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

Patrick Ambler Prophet Jesus did all those miracles but it was through the permission of God. Prophet Mosses also did miracles and split the sea and many prophets and messengers were given abilities to do miracles though the permission of God. I also did mention all of them as prophets before naming all of them you probably misread it. You are not denying that word “Son” was meant metaphorically not literally and there are many prophets that are Son of God. In fact Prophet Ibrahim is mentioned as first born son of god which title is better than that huh?? Jesus is the son of Mary it’s not beneficent for God to have a son or any partners anything and everything in the heavens and earth are his creation and are his servants period.

Patrick Ambler Its funny because you quoted Isiah but did you know that is Prophecy of Prophet Muhammed and not Prophet Jesus. You claim your sincere and intelligent so lets analyze the whole passage then decide fair?? Okay lets take a look and see who its prophecy on I will also explain with commentary with clear evidence. Here they are. [Isiah 29:12] "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned." This verse suggests that a messenger would receive the scripture [Quran] from an Angel which was {Gabriel} he then said read this this I pray thee to the Servant of God and he said "I am not learned" since we all know that Prophet Muhammed was illiterate and didnt know how to read or write and recited the Quran in Cave Hira. Lets continue the rest Isiah is clearly prophesying a messenger through out its chapter. [Isaiah 42:1-4] "Behold! My Servant, whom I uphold; My Elect One, in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. He shall not cry out, nor raise His voice, nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. A bruised reed shall He not break, and smoking flax shall He not quench. In truth He shall bring forth justice. He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till He has established justice in the earth; and the islands shall wait for His law." This verse suggest that when this servant whom God elected also know that Prophet Muhammed name was also Ahmed which is the meaning as The Chosen Servant of God in Hebrew its written אחמד. He would bring forth justice to the gentiles, the gentiles are non-israelites and we all know that the Israelites Prophets would only bring justice to there people and no one else. It also states that islands would bring his law which is [Sharia Law]. [Isaiah 42:10-13] "Sing unto the Lord a new song, and His praise from the ends of the earth, you who go down to the sea, and all that is therein, the islands, and the inhabitants thereof! Let the wilderness and its cities lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar inhabits. Let the inhabitants of Sela sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. Let them give glory to the Lord, and declare His praise in the islands. The Lord shall go forth like a mighty man; He shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: He shall cry, yea, roar; He shall prevail against His enemies". The new song praising from the ends of earth is the [Adhan] which is the Islamic caller of prayer where muslims pray 5x thought-out the a day and when the [Adhan] goes off they have to pray. Muslims worldwide from the four sides of globe prayer towards the Kabba Prophet Abraham and Prophet Ismael built. Please take look at the English Translation it does start of by saying 4 times "God is Great x4" take a look and read it. It states that the wilderness and cities lift up their voice and the the Kedar Inhabitants would lift up their voice. Can I ask you who is Kedar and whom lineage that Kedar comes from. He is Prophet Ishmael Son you would probably disagree so if you want proof and evidence in the bible it states it in [Genesis 25:13]. Prophet Jesus is a decadent of Prophet Issac so how in the world can this be a prophecy of him when his not from the Lineage of Kedar. This servant/ messenger of God would then make the inhabitants of Sela scream and shout from the mountains of Sela. Mount Sela is located in Medina Saudi Arabia and is the location where Prophet Muhammed migrated to after the Idol worshippers tried killing and persecuted him in Mecca again if you dont believe just google "Mount Sela". He then shall go forth like a mighty man and still up jealously like a man of war and shall cry and roar and prevail against his enemies. The only prophet successful in war against his enemies is Prophet Muhammed and he defeated the idol worhsipping Meccans who was his enemies and destroyed every single 360 idols down. He was of course successful and defeated his enemies. Please understand the word "LORD" does not mean God al mighty but a man of god and a person who is looked upon with respect. The Lord back in those day meant Nobel one or mighty servant of God there are many prophets called Lord. [Isaiah 54:2-3] Enlarge the place of your tent, stretch your tent curtains wide, do not hold back; lengthen your cords, strengthen your stakes. For you will spread out to the right and to the left This passage suggest that Muslim Conquest would grow rapidly to the left and right as it did spreading all the way to China on the east, Northern Africa, Central Africa and all the way to Paris France. The Rapid growing is history no need to debunk this and this verse it that same prophecy mentioning the Arabia Land. Final Thought: These prophecy's all cancels out Prophet Jesus because he Is not a descendant from Prophet Ishmael but he is decadent of Prophet Issac, while Prophet Muhammed is the only messenger after Isiah to be a decadent of Prophet Ismael. Prophet Jesus is obviously also not located in Mount Seal (Medina) but Prophet Muhammed is and migrated there from the severe persecution and the pagan arabs wanted to kill him, Prophet Jesus also never brought any law but he himself said he only came to fulfill the previous law, and he was not a man of war who defeated his enemies like Prophet Muhammed did with the Pagan Arabs, Romans and Persians empires so please tell me how its a prophecy of Jesus?? He also never brought forth a song praising the lord and he was only sent for the lost sheep Israel. He himself said "I only came for the lost sheep of Israel" and he never cam for the gentiles but Prophet Muhammed was sent to Mankind. The Prophecy also says not only will he be sent for mankind but this messenger who is illiterate and cant read when the angel approaches him will say "I am not learned". Its very clear that no other messenger could fulfill these prophecies but the one and only Prophet Muhammed. The Prophecy gives us a Location, Lineage, Law, Scripture [Quran] him saying he is not learned [Illiterate], Arabia Land, Victorius in War, Servant of God and his name in Hebrew written and more. You can accept or reject but the clear evidence and truth was shown with historical evidence, scripture evidence and with commentary.

Did not the Quran teach Allah children in the flood so how now shamsi try to equate God not merciful for killing children?

Definitely say 18 $74 goes in order of the killing of a Muslim boy because he thinks he might leave Islam that shows that neither of us was fully aware of what will happen with this boy That he did not know unlike in the book of Samuel we are both the children and the forefathers were a highbred of human based on genesis six and based on Leviticus 18 deep in sin as well as they attacked Israel when they came out of Egypt

Just said that he doesn’t follow the sewer 1874 it is in their holy book

@tahane abdulaziz Righteousness has nothing to do with wealth. Only a childish and ignorant fool will think like you. It's clear from your response that you worship money.. be gone seed of satan.

Jacques de Wet Jesus said he came only for the lost sheep of Israel so are you telling the truth or is Jesus telling the truth I dont understand. Prophet Muhammed was not only Prophesied in the Old Testament but he is the seal Prophets and is the last messenger sent for Mankind.

@@Drizzymumin23 Yes you are correct when you say Jesus said he came for the lost sheep of Israel. We also know from Genesis 35 verse 11. And God said to him, “I am God Almighty[f]; be fruitful and increase in number. A nation and a community of nations will come from you, and kings will be among your descendants." So whats the problem?

@@Drizzymumin23 Can you share with me the verse from the Old Testament that is the prophecy of Mohammad?

Did Prophet Jesus tell you this or what if he did please show me in the bible.He is not cursed do not insult our Prophet like that Satan is Cursed not Prophet Jesus

Spence Mumin you call Jesus your profet?are you christian?you will find it in Deuteronomy 21:23. The question you should ask is why.Because it means he took on the curse of the law.

Denis Avdic This verse does not say Jesus became a curse so why are you lying. This says that "Anyone" hung on a pole is a curse and it says pole not cross. Please try again you failed epically

Spence Mumin galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole

Spence Mumin did i fail now?