I feel like Ken shoulda got a standing O for pulling off a clean sweep. He puppeteered that entire game, and im sure the taste of victory must have been sweet. Love seeing it happen.
Dom figuring out its a Vigormortis for all the wrong reasons is just like getting the right answer on a math test by completely missreading the equasion
What a truly unreal game! A Vigor Mortis with no minion kills, yet people still thought it was a Vigor Mortis - that did kill their minions. Ken's calls and plays were phenomenal. Poor, poor Laurie. People say he's still staring off into the distance as we speak.
Good had no idea what was going on! They started landing on Vigor because it was the only way there could seem to be so many poisoned players, that the minions must have died. But both minions were alive and absolutely running the entire game!
@@MikeDCWeld Sure, after his bluff had run its entire course and still confused everyone for the rest of the game. Ken was a balloonist who had four nights info, and still looked pretty sus in people's eyes (and also just, was ken, who often plays chaos anyway), so he continued to steer the conversation after his death.
@@floataway3 Ken is such a chaos player. When he’s on the good team his antics can completely derail the game and he becomes his own enemy but put him on the evil team and he’s got everyone dancing on his strings doing exactly what he wants.
Mara starting the game with "I'M THE VILLAGE IDIOT" really swung things in favor of Evil. What a dumb play. Even within the game, all the Good players were clearly upset about it but were being polite. There are some Good roles that you want to announce like that, but a powerful information gathering role is certainly not one of them.
It's great the the gamemakers just went "You know what a great new role would be? A ghost lawyer." And then they gave it to Dom. This is the content that I'm here for!
Yeah. When I saw Banshee revealed, I immediately thought "Ghost Lawyer!" and I was so pleased to see Dom pull it. Spoiler: Really is a shame how close it got to him getting the proc. If he had convincingly bluffed an info role like Flowergirl and Sully had said he gained info through Dom's ability, I think it would've been a slam dunk for Banshee. Evil probably would've still won because Ken was killing it but still...
I don’t know the filming chronology but Tegan has been in a few Patreon-exclusive games already so she’s not brand new if any of those were filmed first.
Yeah I don't think Tegan was especially new. I assume this was Jane's first game with the crew? I admit I haven't watched all the Patreon and RU-vid content but I've never seen Jane play before.
@@2spoonz yes, Sulivan has played with Oxventure, Ellen played with No Rolls Barred in the Bean game (can't remember the name) and now Jane has played this. I secretly wanted Jane to be the Demon, just for the fun of it.
Ben could've ended it there but the group loves their drama and suffering, so it's natural he let them play it out. With players tieing it on essentially the final vote it was even funnier.
@@PQRDGWell it establishes a precedent thst prevents future bluffs as such. A minion in final 3 could easily say that he is DA and protected the demon in order to force quick decisions or saw further confusion. For this game yes it would be better if Ben ended it early, but long term it is not a good decision.
Is no one talking about how good the marionette/ghost lawyer combo from Mara and Blaire was?? That was excellently executed and predicted by both. I'm very impressed.
Socially Blair acted well, but imo good should have caught on that she wasn't acting like her claimed role--a real virgin would need to try to use their power earlier for info or confirmation instead of risking wasting a late day's execution. I think Tilly said this but people were too distracted by the minion shenanigans.
@@jacquifashimpaur8798 I think she settled with Mutant in the end. It's also not necessarily a bad idea to slow-play it as a Virgin, just a risky move in general.
Seeing everyone at the end having a nice chat and laurie just staring at the camera with the most hate i've ever seen in laurie (Which is saying alot) was just the perfect encapsulation of this episode This is definitley one of my favourite Blood on the Clocktower episodes yet
I've been watching BotC on the side of Laurie. I keep wanting him to grab a win that keeps evading him for so long. Thus, it ups my anxiety watching town flounder so wrong the entire time like in this episode. Ken was the MVP this episode, his protections created so much chaos with the information that the evil team just ran away with it this time. Can't wait for next month!
I usually root for Good, because it feels like storyteller disinformation usually puts them at a disadvantage. But Evil did such a perfect of causing chaos this time that I had to root for them instead. You've just got to be able to appreciate a masterpiece when you see one.
Honestly, Evil had so little help this time. Both the minions were non-investigative, nor *actively* disrupted investigative roles with poison and such. Heck, Harpy could have backfired and confirmed Tilly and Dom, but I also feel like Town didn't squandor or flop about, the evils just had really good strategy all around. Ken and Blaire working together to realize *all* outsiders were in play to be bluffs, and Mutant was a Perfect cover for Blaire's early claim, Dan's use of Harpy to suggest himself I think drew lots of heat off both him and Ken just as planned, and Ken's plotting and scheming were just on point. Honestly, this game typified the premise of all social deduction games perfectly. An informed minority can outperform an uninformed majority. Maybe more active information sharing between town could have won them the game, but just enough was withheld (for justifiable reasons) that they didn't stand a chance.
I always root for Laurie. It's so sad watching him solve the game and nobody listen to him. I bet if he would've suggested killing him on the 3rd day instead of the 2nd to rule out DA, they still would've executed him. He very clearly suggested it before anyone else worked it out. @@JCPRuckus Evil is always the underdogs unless the ST builds the game in an imbalanced way. It's why they get the most help. If you want to root for underdogs, you should always root for evil. The game is balanced by the ST so if you watch an experienced ST favor evil that should be a pretty clear hint as to which side is the underdog in that moment.
My conspiracy theory is that NRB films dozens and dozens of secret Clocktower games but only publishes the ones where Laurie loses. His W/L record at this point would make a statistician cry.
@@stargate525if Laurie is on the evil team he's got some pretty serious tells. Definitely a product of the games being recorded but he spikes the camera CONSTANTLY when he's evil or scheming.
Amazing game from Ken, he was the mvp in this game imo, but also so well played by Blair always choosing the right player to kill in the night, good coordination.
My favourite thing about this game was the good team having such a painful, "tense" final day, meanwhile Ken's just sat there knowing there's absolutely 0 tension, he and Blair have already won. Perfection 👌
@@user-yl3pp8fy9wI think it's a thing of Storyteller's preference. I can absolutely see a reasoning for a ST to just call the game the moment a situation had arisen that guaranteed a certain outcome, but doing so would also absolutely just kill the tension in a very anticlimactic way for both the players and audience. "The game hasn't ended yet but the evils already won so there's no point" would be a very sad end for what was otherwise a wildly exciting game. (It's also worth noting that rules are rules. BotC's instructions state that the only usual way evils win is when there are two players left, and anyone playing a board game on RU-vid knows that, for the sake of viewers, sticking to the rules is best since there is a high likelihood there are people watching these videos for the sake of deciding if they want this game themselves.)
@@Mazzis11It's.... a joke, its a comedy channel.... what is so confusing, he made a joke deduction that demons do not lean, and then blair actually didn’t, so the joke was funnily accurate
@@Thefangirlshadowamazing, thank you. I have noticed that Blair tends to go along with the bit way less when they're evil Also tbh i thought the comment said "the demon doesn't learn" and that you were referring to Ken with cotton,,
I can't believe that Blair went and screwed up Sully and Dom's plan like that! She said she was thinking she should kill Sully, and then pivoted at the last moment to Tilly. I'm shaking my fist at you Blair! 🤣🤣🤣
Honestly, I think the crucial moment of the game was Ken and Blaire realizing that with Balloonist as a certified bluff, and a Vigormortis in game, that all but *guaranteed* there weren't outsiders, so *all* outsiders were bluffable. It opened the door to that mutant claim that covered the base for Blaire's early claim, and gave so much room for Ken to sow misinformation.
Amongst the other genius plays Ken has made, this episode makes me believe wholeheartedly that Ken might legit be the best BotC player I’ve ever witnessed play the game
SPOILERS FOR THE EPISODE: This whole episode is a beautiful example of the minions absolutely running the town. The harpy noms early on burned a lot of time, and Ken had all the pawns on chessboard just playing every single day. Blair also did a wonderful job of the townsfolk not even knowing which demon was in play the entire game. There were entirely plausible worlds of Laurie the Lleech, or a Fang Gu jump because she opted not to show off her special powers.
How gutsy is Ken to but BOTH his fellow evils in his fake evil pings. The mistake a lot of evils do with fake info is not create a believable evil team and thus it becomes obvious they are lying. I think even Blair was nervous with her "I'm trusting you" line. But where's the evil team that has her as a demon? If kens right, she's not the demon. If he's wrong, she's not the demon.
AMAZING GAME for the evil team. Good team really blundered at the beginning. With a cannibal possibly at play, Teagan(Knight) should have offed herself. Same with Jane (Fisherman). Tilly, heavily suspecting she's drunk, should have gone hard on Blaire. But that shouldnt take away from the fantastic plays of Ken (DA) and Dan (Harpy). And of course, Blaire. Coordination and deception won them the game. Congrats, evil team!
Yeah, but live games have a different mindset compared to online. It's easy to sit back and point out what should be done, but those thoughts don't tend to cross the mind unless you're dealing with very seasoned vets.
Best Devil's Advocate game I've ever seen there, Ken was amazing. But Ken just seems born to be a great minion, he keeps outdoing himself. Also great collaboration from him and Blair. I was worried when she bluffed virgin, but the way they made it work together with the balloonist and the outsider was wonderful.
This was a delight, Laurie Suffering Deluxe, you love to see it. I just would have wished to have seen the faces of people when Ben would have said: "Blaire is executed and does not die."
We were so close to that banshee-cannibal play working out! Blair even said she might kill Sullivan that same day! If that had happened, would the town be told that Sullivan was the cannibal, or the banshee? Would he still be able to nominate and vote twice after someone else dies by execution?
Wow, an absolute blinder of a game from the evil team. Dom calling the fact that it's a Vigor game while both minions are still alive is absolutely hilarious to me. Ken in particular played an insanely good game with his DA calls.
@markfitzpatrick4316 Good point. I also didn't take into account when Dom figured out it was a Vigamortis game correctly but didn't realise both minions were still alive at that point. Damn now I have to watch both episodes again to figure out which was the best evil team
@@chaosmonkey1595The good team could work out near 100 percent that Blair was evil because Dom getting picked by the Harpy suggests he's good which indicates Mara is likely getting good info. Execute Blair GG. They could have won day 2 really. Town needed one strong person to take a bit of a lead.
@@chaosmonkey1595 Tilly's information as a drunk Village Idiot, and Mara's as the sober Village Idiot were excellent bits of information but they weren't willing to take the leaps of faith required to use them or coordinate properly to maximise the benefits. Mara should have trusted her information but didn't, Tilly knew she shouldn't trust her information but didn't act on that fact (she should have pushed for Blair to be executed night 2 or 3). Now I'll admit the fact they would have won from Tilly acting on her information was a fluke but if you are the drunk village idiot you need to be working with the sober village idiot anyone you both get the same ping on you know is that alignment, anyone you differ on you kill the one whose information is least trustable. Evil played well this game, but good also played terribly.
Tilly jumping out of her seat at the end when it all finally clicked was beautiful. The wide eyed look of shock oozed a genuine sense of visceral betrayal. That emotion was real!
Laurie should feel like a lucky fool. He was seated next to Jen, Tegan, Tilly and Blair, even if she was the demon. While Ken gets the MVP as one of the best plays as a DA I ever saw. Hats off to Blair for playing a cool calm game. I remember the game where she was a nervous wreck being the Demon and Sully pulled her through it. Also Tilly for her hunch that her info was wrong and Blair was evil.
I watched the entire episode anticipating to see how a Banshee can overpower the evil team. Good for the evil team to sneak past Banshee ability twice!
Is it just me who feels the Fisherman’s advice was next to useless? Evil played a really good game through, good were pretty much always on the back foot, and the advice they gave was to confirm that Goblin wasn’t in play when practically no one was considering it anyway? Feel bad for Jane honestly playing for the first time and her only moment to implement her ability was to confirm there was no Goblin (which no one really commented on because it wasn’t really needed)
I think this was a text book case of Ben's frequent putting the thumb on the scales for evil a little too hard in the early game because of his attitude of "you can always help good later" but all too often he has tilted it so far that isn't even an option. The only good thing was that it was guaranteed to be at least one good character in the final 3 because of Laurie (as the fool/leech nobody was going to kill or execute him it'd be a waste). If that information hadn't been around I think it's quite likely that evil would have had a clean sweep just like the first live game where everyone but evil was killed. By the time the Fisherman had asked things were sufficiently in evil's favour (no good living information source left, a Banshee that was getting nominated repeatedly and so wouldn't get their power, a Cannibal that had missed multiple nights of information, and a Fool that was out of lives) I would have said something like "All the Evil characters are still alive." actually useful information.
@@DarrenFoster well to the last bit of your post the fisherman doesn’t get information, they get advise. So something like “don’t trust the living” maybe.
@@DarrenFoster Though I don't think Ben intended this part. "Don't fear the Goblin" could also have meant don't fear the one person who mentioned they might be the Goblin. Meaning Don't fear Laurie being evil. This basically clears Laurie as good if she is not to fear him. Also though seeming week Ben is also telling a new player not to fear the goblin also enables a new player having trouble deducing who the minions are of not voting for a player claiming Goblin. Now I am not saying there might been more useful but its only advice that is given. Saying "All the Evil characters are still alive" is not advice and should not be used. Now I have seen Ben do something like trust this character's info or something don't trust certain type of info. ie "don't trust the good info" meaning since there are idiots and the demon was already picked twice as good it should not be trusted or in an empath game don't trust their good pings, but that might not be something a new player could figure out.
SPOILERS FOR THIS EPISODE (AND ALL LIVE EPISODES FOR THAT MATTER): It's amazing that out of I think 10 live games now, the only win Laurie has was because a Snake Charmer-Pithag insane combo. My man can't catch a break.
Hey, this isnt spoilers for the episode. This is spoilers for ALL episodes. I now know going forward that Lauries team never wins. Please delete this comment before other people see it.
These are the videos that introduced me to NRB and I get so excited every time I get to see a new one. Such a cool channel to see board/tabletop games that I never would have seen otherwise. My amazing wishlist will never recover though
More quality entertainment! After the last one, I binge watched a load of the old ones (I hadn't seen anyone) and this is now my favourite RU-vid series. Also Blair looks adorable in that flower crown
Haven't watched the episode yet, just wanted to say I'm still so happy to see Oxventure doing collab episodes with NRB! Just really cool to see two channels I really like from the UK supporting each other.
I would like to thank each and every Kickstarter backer who make these episodes possible. This game is amazing, the cast, crew, and production are phenomenal, and this episode is on of their best. A PERFECT Evil game from start to finish. The absolute defeated looks of the townsfolk at the end was hilarious. I immediately want more episodes.
Ibelieve that once two executions failed, being either the DA protected fool, or the lich, both makes you safe from execution for the rest of the game.
I wish Mara and town considered why the demon would have killed an outed village idiot - I don't remember if both village idiots were out at the time, but no one considered she was killed because the demon knew she was getting good information.
Spoilers for the episode: For someone who is so stressed out about being evil Blair is remarkably good at it, and she was backed up by some of the best minion play I've ever seen
