You forgot the sin of how Flim and Flam never owned the farm. The bet was only for cider selling rights, the ownership of the farm was never mentioned in the wager so all the property still belonged to the Apple Family.
About the alchool thing...yeah, there's no way this thing, at least seen how they produce it, contains any alcohol. Alcohol is created by fermentation, a long process during which the sugar of the apple juice is turn into ethanol. But they sell the cider as soon as it's produced. So nope, it's just apple juice.
***** AppleJack doesn't use magic to make hers, althrough I don't know about the SSCS6000. Also, foam is due to the gaz inside the drink, which is not due to alcohol (I think)
outside of the USA, "cider" only refers to alcohol made from apples, otherwise it's just apple juice. Besides, the whole of Equestria pretty much runs on magic and the laws of nature are different so I'm thinking it might just be a thing that happens
Krwzprtt oh fair enough. Sorry, I just assumed you were American because you were assuming it to be non-alcohilic. Either way, I'm guessing the show creators didn't intend for it to be alcohol but it really looks like it is which I find quite funny.
Everypony, including Rainbow Dash, probably would've gotten a chance to drink some cider if the Apples had set up a "one mug of cider per pony a day" rule instead of letting Pinkie Pie buy, like, 9 mugs. That's just bad business.
That or good business because the idea is to make the cider seem limited making the value go up and pony’s wanting to buy more which makes the cider seem like something worth buying and waiting in super long lines for which can also help bump up price
Can we all agree that the end of the Brothers’ song (where they ramp up into the part that’s like “were saying youuve got opportunity”) slaps so hard? It scratches my brain in the best way
It's perfectly fine if it implies that Fluttershy is embarrassed when RD takes off her covers and she's naked (even though they normally are naked) right? What if this happened in EG?
I tend to really hate episodes wherein the plot only happens because everyone is an idiot, like this one. If either the Apple Family or Flim and Flam had had even an ounce of business sense, the entire thing could've been worked out to the benefit of all involved in roughly five minutes: 1. When the Apples are protesting that Flim and Flam's quickly-made cider can't compare to the deliciousness of their lovingly-made cider, Rainbow Dash and the others who missed out counter that extra-delicious cider is no good to them if they never get to drink any. And guess what? They're absolutely correct. Cider that's just "okay" that you get to drink is better than cider that's amazing that you never get any of. Especially since Rainbow Dash was so desperate for cider that at one point she eats dirt. 2. The Flim Flam brothers shouldn't have gotten competitive in the first place. Their machine filled a niche that really needed filling. Had the brothers tried to work out a fairer deal with the Apple family, they could have landed themselves a neat profit. Likewise, the Apples should have at least tried to haggle with the brothers when they found the initial offer unacceptable. Instead, Granny Smith stupidly bet exclusive cider-selling rights and put her family's livelihood in jeopardy without consulting them (note how neither Applejack nor Big Macintosh seemed keen on the idea). 3. The Apples show further shitty business sense when they allow a single customer (and don't even get me started on why Pinkie Pie is worst pony) to buy large quantities of a product that they intentionally limit the supply of, ensuring that any number of potential customers will go unsatisfied and will cease to patronize them them the second another supplier comes along. Just because you have the best product doesn't mean you can mistreat your customers and expect them to keep coming back. Seriously, they need to show this episode in economics glasses as a "How NOT to Run a Small Business" guide.
Exactly! At first when I saw that RD was rushing to get a cider I thought she was just being mean or selfish but when I saw Pinkie with all that cider I was like ¨NO WONDER WHY RD DIDNT GET ANY CIDER LOOK HOW MUCH PINKIE HAS". BTW I HATE Pinkie in this episode. Not only she took WAY too many ciders (FOR HERSELF and not any other pony), but before the Flim & Flam brothers came she was like ¨The ciders were so good" ¨Its a once in a life time opportunity that will NEVER come again" I HATED her for that. Literally 7 episodes she was mad at RD bragging about being such a great superhero and now THIS! RD is sometimes selfish and a gloater but in this case I wouldnt blame her for hating Pinkie Pie on this episode.
@@FantasticMysticMagic But RD wasn't being selfish even prior to that. She tells Twilight that Pinkie always buys all the cider every year and she never gets any as a result.
Yeahhh, I can see the idiot plot, but it's still a 100 to me, fun episode that made me have fun reasonings. I do like the idea of using this as a bad economics example, too.
I like how Tilight only deals with the barrels with her awesome magic ^-^ Or actually, no - I don't like that. Had she collected the apples or something, that would have helped way more. Same with Rarity, they really made good use of their unicorn magic ... or not
Yeah, in a previous episode, Twilight was lifting like hundreds of apples of the trees at once. That definitely would've been a better use of her skills.
This is probably my least favorite episode. Never once did the Apples bet the actual farm, just the rights to sell Cider in Ponyville. The Apples didn't have one reason to take them up on the competition, as the FFB posed no threat without apples. After the FFB "won" the farm, they decided to leave after their FIRST BATCH of apples were messed up. So many things wrong here.
Plus the fact that they gave them their apples for no reason and let them sell cider made with their apples in their orchard without asking for any money while betting that if they do more than them they ll let them do it permanently 💀
Overlooking the main sin of this episode: Despite being depicted as the consumate con-artists, Flim & Flam never lie, sell false merchandise, or do anything illegal in this episode. The fact is, their machine *worked!* Had the Apple Family agreed to their original deal and become partners they would have kept the farm AND been producing more cider than they could have before.
You could honestly nitpick every episode to death. They aren't exactly ground-breaking on the animation quality and there are certainly continuity holes. I just sit back and enjoy it. #keepcalmandponyon
i'm probably gonna get corrected on this, but AT NO POINT did i hear the deal was that the Apples lose the whole farm if they lost until the end. Just the cider selling rights. I know there's a chance that, without the cider, they'd possibly lose the farm and have to sell it to flim and flam to pay off their debts and work for them later on, but that is never specified. The deal was, and i am quoting both Flim and the Mayor here, : "Excellent, we have a bet. Whoever produces the most barrels in one hour wins the exclusive right to sell cider in Ponyville." The teams have one hour to produce as much cider as they can, after which the barrels will be counted and the winner will be named the sole cider provider for all of Ponyville! Now, where did it say there that the farm would automatically go the Flim Flam Brothers and the Apples were completely out of business? Because i sure as hell can't see it! Last i checked, sure, they lost their cider rights, but they still have business with several other ponies, including Filthy Rich. That part has ticked me off since i first saw season 2. The episode deserves 1 other sin: Flim Flim Brothers claim ownership of the farm, when the deal strictly said they only got the cider selling rights.
2:46 I absolutely agree, we can have an incredibly irresponsible amount of alcohol in the show; but we can't have Twilight punch Tirek in the face? I am disappoint, Hasbro.
Thank you so much for being the first to point out everything alcoholicy about this episode - I've been waiting for someone to do that for the past two years. Reading that out loud is really making me question my entire existence.
OMG :D new video! Oh And it must be really hard having to go though all that trouble having to look though a video over and over again or just going though the video really slowly. By the way, You do a REALLY GOOD job on these videos! Keep em' up! :)
Артем Авдюхов I assume you don't have the guts to consider Applejack a main character, but you aren't willing to take the low blow route on calling her a background pony.
why is this the only episode I remember from childhood Also thank to this video, I learnt ponies’ knees only bend backward hence avoiding a fatal error in a certain story I am writing! Thanks 😃
Its common that cider and other drinks like eggnog would have alcohol, but when bought at a supermarket I've never seen any mention of alcohol in it, so I think thats added later when you get home. The cider I get here in Florida from the publix food chain is basically apple juice that hasn't been filtered.
Sure, Applejack saying "I didn't learn anything, I was right all along" is a shame. She has so much to learn about this but didn't see that lessons. Plus the squeezy-machine-whatever is still a good machine, because you have a nice producing pace of a good quality without hard work, so you can do some traditionnal work aditionnally to that machine production and making more cider without to be as tired as the other years!
I didn't like this episode because when you think about it Flim and Flam were right. Their machine does indeed produce quality cider at a faster rate. The only way AJ could make enough cider for the whole town was to have five more ponies help her.
I think it was part of what made the episode interesting for me. If you watch Granny Smith's reaction to drinking the cider initally made from Flim and Flam (pre-competition rush,) it's clearly shown that the cider is as good if not more. The undertone is that if Flim and Flam had not been so greedy, the Apples and the Brothers could have had a brilliant business partnership. IMO, it was actually brilliant.
Just because they were right doesn't excuse the fact they were acting like heartless and greedy business partners. They could have just built their own apple farm instead of barging into one that's already owned by a family, and acting like they own the place. If they didn't act the way they did, things probably would've turned out differently and they could've helped with the original problem at hand.
Kasumi Except the lesson is "Dear Princess Celestia, I DIDN'T LEARN ANYTHING!" So AJ is just going to go back to her old way of making cider, which was inefficient. It was a missed opportunity for both parties to gain a lesson, not just the antagonist of the episode. It also felt a little forced that the Flim Flam Bros suddenly panic and turn off the safety measures on their machine, when they prided on how it only chose the best apples. It felt like they were inventors who cared about their invention at the beginning of their episode and were suddenly made overly careless for the sake of the plot.
Kasumi They made a deal and stuck to it. Honestly, they ended up letting the Apples keep their farm after winning it from them, and they didn't ask for the deed back later. These guys are wonderful! Seriously, I'm pretty sure that they wanted to be competitors because sharing the farm would've lead to non-lucrative business decisions made in part by the Apple Family.
2:31 Flim and Flam don't own the farm after winning, it had literally nothing to do with the bet. They were only fighting for "the exclusive rigth to sell cider in Ponyville"
The farm has to shut down,so flim and flam could buy the farm
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Apparently Ponyville runs on mob justice. The town having no guards and all. The mob is a big enough threat that the Apples have to take Fim and flam's ability to produce cider quicker as a serious threat despite them having no apples. And in the end the mob is dissatisfied with the new cider enough to run Flim and Flam out of town and give the farm back to the Apples despite the deal.
I know I’m years late to this but I wanted to point out a missed sin: if the Apple family keeps running out of cider, *maybe* they should’ve just enforced a purchase limit so ponies (like pinkie) won’t buy out all their cider and leave none for the others lol, kinda common sense when demand vastly outweighs supply (i.e. March of 2020) But of course, we wouldn’t have an episode lol and at the end of the day, it’s a kids show Or perhaps it could’ve been a lesson applejack learned so she wouldn’t have almost lost her faithful customers
In fairness to Equestria the sun is literally raised and lowered by Celestia and . . . where does she store it when she's not using it? We have no real reason to think Equestria is a glob not a flat Earth. Anyway the sun rising in the north (and quite possibly setting in the north) could be simply convienent to Celestia and Luna who live well really towards the middle, but north of Ponyville.
I do believe that Celestia and Luna tell white lies, Its a lot easier for Luna to make moon invisible with some bonus special effects, and Celestia just forcibly rotates a planet 180 degrees along its axis assuming that planet 1) rotates very slow or 2) doesn't rotate at all.
Leonid Saykin That's making the assumption it's even a planet. We keep assuming that but lots and lots of the circumstancial evidence (like the sun and moon not being up at the same time. Which can and does happen in real life. Luna refusing to lower the moon should have been hell on the tides and some other shit but it in no way should have prevented Celestia from raising the sun. And fuck white lies. Celestia alternates between outright lying (The Mare in the Moon is a FAIRY TALE!!!), and simply failing to tell people shit they might want to know. Like, hey that's a pheonix. It's gonna die but it'll come back. It's fine. Dont' trip. Tia and Luna probably knew when Tirek escaped as well.
Jarred Mallard This requires explanation. My understanding was it requires plant respiration. Earth rotating is what actually creates wind and that gets oxygen from where it's formed (primarily ocean algae and rainforests) to where people live but not to allow oxygen. However in Equestria the wind, with the exception of Everfree is created by Pegasai. IRL it takes evaporation to get water into the clouds. But there is an entire episode where once a year a city is chosen and their job is litterally create a vortex that sucks water to Cloudsdale. In real life the higher up in the air you get the *colder* it gets not the *hotter*. Rarities wings burn to a crisp when she flies too close to the sun. So either the sun is much, much closer or that environment works radically differently than ours.
At last someone who notices cider is actually alcohol (even if there's not too much of it in) :p Even in France they changed "cider" to "apple juice" and it's supposed to be the country of wine, what the hay?
Max le Fou I would say come to the US, but that's a bad idea, I would guess by your name and that you cited France, I would take a guess that you're French. Look for a US brand, it's probably sparkling if it doesn't specify, or go to any Great Britain, given a sentence from an Oxford article, this holds up there.
I believe he mentioned it in the previous sin video, but this only happened because he botched up video scheduling, it should be back to the normal 2 weeks deal after this one.
The one thing that always annoyed me in this episode, is the fact that Flim & Flam machine actually worked, and they didnt lie after all, the problem is that everypony was REALLY dumb and didn't think well, they could have made a fair deal with no difficult...
Flim and Flam not caring if the cider tastes awful for their customers as long as they are popular pretty much sums up my feelings for the creators of call of duty
Awesome. It wasnt really all that long ago that I would totally agree. Nowadays Pinkie is my favorite, but not by a lot. When I first saw the series I fell in love with Applejacks character which I thought was just so lovable and full of charm, and pretty much looked up to her, seeing as she was such a hard worker and put so much passion in everything she did and for her friends as well. Then when I started to look in the fandom, I saw all that Applejack hate back in the day, and it made me kinda disgusted with the fandom, so I didn't do much with it till later on down the road. But yeah, I just can't stand Applejack hate.
I think the reason the sun seems to rise and set in several different places in the show because when Celestia isn't using it, it has to be on loan to other kingdoms that are not under Celestia's rule.
For some reason, MLP episodes constantly say "if there's not love put into it, the product sucks" (Eg: Canterlot Boutique and this one) I disagree with that and agree with RD: I don't care how much love is put into something; if I can't experience it, there's no point in the "effort" put into it. This episode sucked, 'cept for Flim and Flam's song...that part wasn't half bad.
The sin is that this episode exists. Aside from the bad writing, genuinely unlikeable characters, and villains that weren’t really villains, there wasn’t a friendship lesson learned! None! AJ just writes Celestia and haughtily proclaims that she learned a metric ton of nothing because she knew it all already. (The song, on the other hand…er…hoof, is one of the best in the series.)
I could ALMOST agree, yes, it's a bad episode in general, with a lot of flaws, BUT, watching it without caring about common logic and how stupid most characters are, i still think it's a pretty fun episode to enjoy.
Why does no one seem to realize non-alcoholic sparkling apple cider exists? Just google Martinelli's Gold Medal Sparkling cider! IT IS NON-ALCOHOLIC! Also if you have a sweet-tooth and a love of anything apple flavored, as I do, it can be very addicting. The real shocker is that in the comics Pineapple juice has truth serum properties which is a more definite symptom of alcohol consumption.
tl;dr Very possible dialect confusion. Only the US (to my knowledge) calls 'sparkling' (non-alcoholic) cider just 'cider', given that the English language isn't always localized into other English-speaking countries, this could cause a bit of confusion; the reason English isn't always localized into other countries is because the dialects are generally very intelligible between each other (on boy, there are exceptions though), causing it to be practically pointless and letting little things like that (potentially) slip into other countries.
Comic Sans Pony Even if it /is/ sold outside the US, they would probably change it to include 'sparkling' in the name to avoid confusion, although given that (as I said), English works aren't always localized, I could see them doing that and getting everyone else in the world confused.
Pinkie sings a song called you gotta share you gotta care and yet she doesn't seem to care that so many ponies don't get a single drop of cider because of her
Finally someone noticed it, I'm from switzerlamd and for me cider is an alcoholic drink, that fact made me laugh so hard the first time I watched the episode
I remember when the episode first aired I thought they were saying “spider season” and they were hunting for spiders, took me a moment to realize they said “cider”
Also, the Apples giving up the farm didn't make sense because the bet was just over who got to make cider. The Sun rising in the North, however, is not a sin because Equestria is not on out planet.
Fun Fact time! -Applejack is a strong alcoholic beverage made in North America by concentrating cider, either by the traditional method of freeze distillation or by true evaporative distillation. -In the USA, apple cider is, most often, "soft cider"--that is, fresh-squeezed apple juice with the pulp still in it. You can buy it off the shelf, but it's still the fresh stuff that most people think of. The alcoholic version is explicitly identified as "hard cider." The cider in the episode has a head, and therefore, is alcoholic apparently, that distinction doesn't exist outside of America--elsewhere, the term "cider" means exclusively "hard cider." So, Rainbow Dash doesn't want cider because it's delicious--she wants it because she wants to get drunk. Pinkie Pie doesn't buy like two dozen mugs at once because she likes the taste--it's because she's looking to get hammered. (I am not the original writer of either of these but thought they deserved to be here.)
im suprised he didnt talk about how apple cider has spices added to it, yet neither the apples nor the flim flam brothers actually added any spices to it, so its really just apple juice.
I was thinking the same thing. Here in the UK, cider is definitely alcoholic and sine of it can be seriously strong. It's not something you'd let your kids near, probably not even a sip like you do with wine or beer. I was so confused whilst watching this episode.
