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Hare Krishna Prabhuji.. Just now I have watched your video. Thank you very much for enlightening on this topic. I have few questions : (i) Do you agree that Srila Prabhupad was poisoned by his own disciples ? (ii) the letters signed by prabhupad in the last stage mentioned about Ritwik because he might have found that the 11 disciples name suggested by Tamal are not Uttam Adhikaris and hence should not give direct initiation but can give initiation on behalf of Srila Prabhupad...Please share your views on this...
Hare Krishna.. Please do check “Prabhupada’s Rtvik System As It Is (Hindi Subs)” by Nimai Nitai das. And get to know about the full reality of this system and then decide which side you want to be. Prabhuji why are you trying to hide many points in the video and skipping the main points told by Srila Prabhupada.
@@rts9797 Actually ritviks are doing Vaisnava Aparadha against Srila Prabhupada. As per him, Srila Prabhupada was not qualified to even make one pure devotee who could be a diksha guru. As per SB and Gita, a pure devotee can make many other pure devotees as well, but since as according to you Prabhupada was not able to do it, so prabhupada himself was not a pure devotee. Prabhupada NEVER said that after he leave, none of his disciples can give diksha. But we are 100% sure that Srila Prabhupada is very pleased with the current ISKCON gurus and his disciples, for their work, efforts and dedication to follow, practice and preach KC. They can never give diksha against the desire of Prabhupada, as they are totally surrendered to Prabhupada. They clearly specify at the time of initiation that they are only a medium to connect their disciples to Srila Prabhupada and Guru Parampara. They might be conditioned in beginning of their spiritual journey (1970s), but now many of them are pure devotees. Srila Prabhupada still regularly keep in touch with his sincere and dedicated disciples. Many of them are pure devotees. This I have come to realise by closely interacting with their brahmachari and grihastha disciples. Many of the current ISKCON sanyasi gurus have mystic powers (this I know after closely associating with the disciples of HH Radhanath Swami Maharaj, Late HH Gopala Krishna Goswami Maharaj, HH Jaya Pataka Maharaj, HH Radha Govinda Swami Maharaj, HH Giriraj Maharaj, Late HH Bhakti Tirtha Maharaj and HH Indradyumna Swami Maharaj. I am closely associating with their brahmachari and grihastha disciples since last 6 years). And SB explains ‘Mystic powers automatically comes to the pure devotees without any personal endeavour’.
Hare Krishna Prabhuji Dandavat Pranam, Jay Sri Guru, Sri Gauranga, Jay Radhe Shyam Thank you so much for making this video, we were planning to make a video on this topic in the near future, but this video is just complete. We don't have to make one now, from here on we will just share this video if anyone asks us this question.
Iskcon is an organisation of Srila Prabhupada... Iskcon devotees are from Brahma Madhava godiya sampradaya... This follows bonafide Guru parampara of Madhva acharya Sampradaya Or Brahma Sampradaya...
Rightly spoken prabhu, appreciate that you could present this issue eloquently. May Sri Sri Radha Gopinath and Srila Prabhupada bless you to help many souls get fixed up in Krishna consciousness!
Apas me ladho orr moro samne bala ko maro.. yahi too age ka rule pravhu pada ya bola tha.. so I should not join to any so called company after death of Prabhupada.
Another thing I would like to mention is that just see the calmness that ISKCON devotees have as compared to others. ISKCON devotees never criticize others and even when they reply back to something, it is always with references, proofs and in a systematic manner, not just blabbering anything. All glory to Sri Guru and Gauranga
@@Ram-em3ot don't try to act smart Prabhupada said follow one associate with few and respect everyone so it's follow one guru ek hota hei ur not even a gaudiya vaishnava so how ur claiming u follow srila Prabhupada? When ur not even in his parampara stop trying to deviate other people
@@dhanurdhararjundas5908 I follow acharyas and vedas. Since they say all Vaishnav are gururoop and also Srila Prabhupada gave me mahamantra therefore I follow all the acharyas. But, at the same time do not follow their wrong actions or orders.
@@abhinandanpandey4868 Bhai tum Pandey ho, tumhara upnayan hua hai? Aren't you opposing the lord's agya? Iskcon me dekha hai kaise bantte Hain janeu aur vishnuling? Arya samaj aur Gayatri Parivar bhi yagya karate hai ved padhate hai janeu dete hai lekin vo sab pakhand hai. Aise hi namjap, kirtan yahi sanatan dharma hai par namaparadh Jo karwa Raha hai iskcon use kabhi koi bhi authentic nahi prove kar skta I'm a vaishnav and all four sampradayas are called chatussat sampraday.
If you here to read comment do one thing more first share this video with your devotee friends and family And now read comment Watch both the part carefully Much needed video every devotees should watch this ❤
Literally, Tears are falling from my eyes, Thank you Prabhuji for making this Video, whosoever is watching this video, please take the words of Ishvara Gauranga Prabhuji seriously... Hare Krishna Dandwat Pranaam
Hare Krishna Prabhuji Dandvat Pranam, Heartiest Congratulations fo reaching 100k Subscribers 🎉🎉🎉in Hari Bol, Looking forward to keep learning more from you and serve the Godhead via your mercy, Thank You so much, Hare Krishna.
Hare Krishna.. Please do check “Prabhupada’s Rtvik System As It Is (Hindi Subs)” by Nimai Nitai das. And get to know about the full reality of this system and then decide which is correct. Prabhuji is trying to hide many points in the video and skipping the main points told by Srila Prabhupada.
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
@@krsnaconscious68 YES YOU ARE RIGHT PRABHUPADA DID NOT MADE ANYONE DIKSHA GURU HE MAD RITVIK WHO WILL GIVE DIKSHA ON PRABHUPADA'S BEHALF AND THAT PERSON WILL BE THE DISCIPLE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA THATS ALL.
After Reading this your all doubts will get clarified why ritwiks are right?? Hare Krishna Prabhu PAMHO AGTSP Prabhu, It was an educative presentation. Well done to present your thoughts and opinion, I wish to present you the Prabhupada UNINTERPRETTED version of the reality by bringing all the facts in front of you and the audience and Gaudiya Followers. Prabhu, with all due respect I wish to present concept by concept of your video presentation. If you wish to clarify kindly note that you can personally mail me for a pleasing discussion. To all the viewers, Ishvara Gauranga Das prabhuji has very aptly told that we should not fight on social media which slackkens the faith of a new devotee of ISKCON. My ernest request is to open a podcast and invite both the parties and try to figure-out the issue instead of making a one-sided video and please the converted audience We should act as Prabhupada told us "Cooperation among devotees is a necessity, not an option." (Letter to Kirtanananda, 21 December 1971) 5:28 > Prabhu, this version is a watered-down version of showcasing what happend in ISKCON @ 1980s and next 4 Decades. To know more about this a. Detailed Analysis of ISKCON-GBC Resolution on this Issue : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CC25KAPkkT4.html b. Read HDG Srila Prabhupada on "Why Gaudiya Math Failed?" : theharekrishnamovement.org/2011/04/21/iskcons-decline-after-srila-prabhupadas-departure/ c. Hear ISKCON Bangalore struggle in this regard: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cg99MPE8nnQ.html 6:53 > ISKCON GBC always found it always uncomfortable to discuss this topic internally or publically all these decades. But unavoidably they conducted Ritvik debate 1990s footage. Kindy go through you can easily know who is winning the Argument. P1 : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kXTW_zkCEw0.html P2 : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xKO_i_EySUc.html Hear about the devotees fate discussing this topic then: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0etTk84hhaU.html 8:10 , 8:52 , 9:48, 12:00 , 14:17 > Prabhu, This is a crutial point where the whole argument is watered-down to win the favor of few. To all viewers : Kindly know that MAY 28th, 1977 conversation and July 9th,1977 Conversation are TWINS they can never be seperated. As July 9th letter starts with "Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as "ritvik - representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations" Prabhupada is informing "HENCEFORTH" as 11 will act as RITVIK when PRABHUPADA is NO LONGER PHYSICALLY PRESENT there is NO CONFUSION when we read in this context : May 28th, 1977 : vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770528mevrn/ July 9th, 1977 : vedabase.io/en/library/letters/letter-to-all-gbc-all-temple-presidents/ July 19th, 1977 : "continue to become ṛttvik and act on my charge." vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770719r1vrn/ I would like to bring to your notice about May 28th, 1977 conversation that Prabhupada told "When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it." that means there was no one order. 14:51 , 18:12 , 23:12 > Prabhupada always hoped that his disciple become qualified for become DIKSHA GURU from 1966 to 1977. But below are decisive interview snippets with Prabhupada's Plan on LAW OF DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION. Interview 1 : June 4th, 1976 : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Z-fPZJ2UlTQ.html Interview 2 : June 10th, 1976 : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Z-fPZJ2UlTQ.html Amar Ajna Guru Hai means in Prabhupadas own words as "Shiksha Guru" on May 30 1976 Honolulu: surl.li/gxinu 18:24 > Guru, Sadhu and Shastra Point Prabhu, below are the list of Madhwa, Srivishnava Dignitaries who have not only acknowledged rather have also said this is the same system achayras in their Sampradaya instated: Madhava Scholar : Vidyavachaspati Bannanje Govindacharya : www.indiadivine.org/content/topic/966455-interview-with-sri-bannanje-govindacharya/ Sri Vaishnava Scholar : Sri Sri Rangapriya Swami Desikachar : www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2653 Prof. Tatachar , Academy of Sanskrit Research, Melkote : www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2655 There is no mention of Sanyas diksha for Mlechhas, but Prabhupada accepted them as Sanyassis for preaching that anyone can be a Vaishnava. Prabhu, Note that this, Gaudiya Matha failed and thier failed leaders have in 1980s and 1990s influence is now impacting ISKCON worldwide.Kindly read what Srila Prabhupada has told about following Gaudiya Math and Hs own Godbrothers: krishna.org/srila-prabhupada-speaks-about-his-gaudiya-math-godbrothers/ 22:14 , 26:35 > Prabhu, Brahma, Siva and other pure devotee fall down is a very offensive statement. It is against the whole parampara system itself. SB 7.7.14 : "Therefore one is strictly forbidden to think that the ācārya is an ordinary human being (guruṣu nara-matiḥ)" > prabhupadabooks.com/sb/7/7/14 Similar instance happened with one Scholar devotee named Nitai Das in 1976 and SP banned him from ISKCON for this kind of offensive statement stating "that Nitai has become a venomous serpent. Be careful of him" srilaprabhupadalila.org/read/SPT258 24:39 , 26:35 , 29:38 > Prabhu, You mentioned without research that HDG BSST didnot open tell that HDG Srila Prabupada is the next acharya is also not so great argument. Kindly read this Letter to Rupanuga -- Tirupati 28 April, 1974 "self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected" vaniquotes.org/wiki/Self_effulgent_acarya_would_be_automatically_selected Be curious within your limit : www.prabhupadaconnect.com/Dont-Go-Very-Speedily.html 25:24 > Prabhu, Yes Prabhupada selected only 11 ritviks but in the same May 28th conversation later authorised to increase or change the number of ritviks at necessary times. But as a the whole Commission committed blunder as accepted later by HH Tamal Krishna Goswami : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-u2R39HsAXrU.html HG Hamsaduta Swami : harekrsna.org/prabhupada-never-authorized-us-to-be-gurus-hansadutta-1993/ The most intelligent acharya had setup DIRECTIVE-OF-MANAGEMENT of the smooth running of the Movement and this is : Read this DoM Document: prabhupadabooks.com/dom Read the will of Srila Prabhupada: prabhupadabooks.com/will and note a. GBC is "ultimate managing authority" not "ultimate Spiritual authority" b. "a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, provided the new director is MY INITIATED DISCIPLE" 30:45 > Prabhu, I genunily think that if follow original Parampara as presented by Srila Prabhupada directly we will be more mature. And with regards to infecting new people I agree both the parties have to be very sensitive. Just like ISKCON Bangalore dont outright preach this rather they focus on Philosophy but they reveal it ony when right time comes or when asked for. Sometimes due to influnce of Rasa-Shastra as presented by senior devotees of ISKCON Group neopyte dont learn the the foundational topics from SRILA PRABHUPADA hence later behave sentimentally humble and ecstatic. This has to be rectified ASAP for the welfare of all the devotees in general. Ecstatic Dance like this can be avoided : ru-vid.comkQqrSF9YIrU?feature=share 34:13 > Yes Vaishnav Aparadh has to be curbed immediately. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cKuvYy5MrNM.html a. Why did famous "Jadurani", "Yamuna" Mathaji leave ISKCON? What happend to "Sulocha Das"? Was justice brought to b. little Vaishnavas who were abused in Gurukulas? etc c. Why people in ISKCON keep canvas about "MY Guru Maharaj" why not Srila Prabhupada? d. HH JPS Maharaj ordered his discples to file a criminal case against HG MPP, is this a Vaishnav Aparadha as it is a Character assasination of a devotee who became an overnight criminal from being a pet Disciple? e. Why the financial reports on Guru dakshina is not published? Where is the money going? Why are dieties wearing plastic garlands? Prabhu, Kindly note that these are not only my questions. There are many questions which is difficult get answer for. Hope you dont delete this comment like the previous one. More 30 years Un-Biased analysis by Ameyatma Das(ACBSP) : ru-vid.com/group/PL9OOuzY2ZCr-oxLRbIpRB6aiF8JP-clJE Hare Krishna. Your Servant
Dhavalvaghela.. Ritvik vaadi ?? See how u are speaking poison...this is your truth.... You ppl are debating like hindu muslim 😂 really your 11 gurus were in bad bad cases, rape cases and what not 😂...your camp tried to kill ritvik president hg mpp prabhu ji😂 you ppl are really very fallen
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980* Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja: The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna spoke. Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
Goosebumps moment when you take HH gopal Krishna goswami maharaj ji nd HH jaypataka swami maharaj ji's name🙏🙏they dedicate whole life for Krishna Consciousness, srila prabhupad nd devotees🙏🙇♀️a very needful video for today's generation💯thank u so much prabhuji for clearing all the things...Hare krishna prabuji dandwat pranam 🙏🙇♀️🙇♀️
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980* Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja: The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna spoke. Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
Hare Bol प्रभुजी आपकी video से नये भक्तो के प्रश्न का उत्तर मिल रहा है (आपकी ईस video से स्पष्ट रूपसे और बहोत ही अच्छे तरीके से समझ आ रहा है, मै भाग्यशाली हु जो मेरी पुरी फॅमिली काफी टाईम से iskcon से जुडे है 🙏Hare krishna 🙏
Hare Krishna prji, nailed it !!! Such a clear presentation. Hard to imagine the impact, this video will have, on many bewildered soul, for times to come....
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980* Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja: The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna spoke. Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
Hare Krishna.. Please do check “Prabhupada’s Rtvik System As It Is (Hindi Subs)” by Nimai Nitai das. And get to know about the full reality of this system and then decide which is correct. Prabhuji is trying to hide many points in the video and skipping the main points told by Srila Prabhupada.
Wow i didnt expect goosebumps just by your praising of Jay Pataka Swami Gurumaharaj. Everyone i am saying truth really. Love from Bangladesh. Hare Krishna
What a mind blowing video.. amaizing prabhuji... all glories to Srila Prabhupada, all glories to Sril Prabhupada's disciples...all Glories to ISKCON.. Nitai Gaur Sitanath Premanande Haribol...Hare Krishna 🙏🙏🙏📿📿📿📿😇😇😇🙇♀️🙇♀️🙇♀️💛💛💛
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
hare krishna prabhuji, You can use below eye-opening videos for research. I am not from Akshay patra iskcon banglore or give gita or ISKM. I am a prabhupada devotee. HH bhakti charu swami clarification on ritvikism. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wFUJjrtEwwY.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QatUU7XLxco.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_WVcjM_MxSU.html
Muslim reading all these comments, hindus reading this, they will never come into devotion after knowing all this 😂😂 you ppl are fools.....in future all will be demons, fight and die with each other...prabhupad left, evetything shattered
@gaurange1087okey !! But m telling the fact !! You ppl are giving topics to muslim, they know nothing about weakness of iskcon, now they will try to divide us.... Iskcon ppl have tried to bomb and kill our Iskcon Bangalore President MPP PRABHUJI, so many times, even many muslim know this, and taunt prabhupad mission and his devotees..... But we are not like that, we have never tried to kill any devotee....
Hare Kṛṣṇa Prabhujii 🙏🏻 Dandavat Pranams 🙇🏻♂️🙌🏻 A very very Kṛṣṇa Councious Congratulations for 100k Devotees Family...🎉🌟❤️ Hari Bol😍 A very much thanks for making this video telling the truth and presenting the Real Philosophy what Prabhupada gave...🌺🙏🏻
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980* Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja: The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna spoke. Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
Hare Krishna prabhuji 🙇🙏 The way you clear things is commendable 🙏 I bow down at your lotus feet who not only clear the things but give us a lot of lessons through just sorting out things 💌 I literally got goosebumps while watching this video .... I pray to Shree RadhaMadhav to bless all with more intelligence so that we get the right direction in the path of devotion 🙏 And in the future if controversy happens, then like prabhuji many more pure devotees come ahead and give us the right direction Please accept my humble obeisances onto your lotus feet prabhuji 🙇🙇
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
Prabhuji you have explained it very well with calmness and politely. I find calmness and politeness in other iskcon devotees also. It is too appreciating the way you have described it. Hare Krishna
Thank prabhuji for standing against the allegations on isckon.... Supporting your answers logically... Srila Prabhupada ki jai... Anant koti Vaishnav bhakta vrnda ki jai Sri narsimha prahalada ki jai!🙏🙏🙏
@@Meenakshi-Sharma Hare Krishna Mataji. The Prabhupada Poison theory was debunked decades ago. Why now you are saying this?Actually ritvik system is based on misinterpretion of 9th July letter. I think u are also connected with those people. My humble request to you, please go through iskcon devotees also, u can question them and can clear your doubts. Making Srila prabhupada one's gurumaharaj doesn't mean that he is a follower of prabhupada or he is pleasing Srila prabhupada.
Since I wanna to connect to ISKCON but not able to do so because of Academic Study and low interest of Parents and in the meantime I got to know about this issue which compelled me to take a step back see all organizations with Third Person Perspective (TPP) and that was the time when I was addicted to Shorts and Reels but due to following ISKCON and ISKM and many other content creators and other monks I observed that ISKCON rarely addresses any issue or other which is not a good thing but if it addresses then addresses with great calmness and humility and also state their contribution to our society such as Acharya Prashant, Sadhguru and others. On the Other hand, there was so much emphasis was given on the issue by GIVE GITA and Banglore and ISKM and in between also a short of ISKM got viral regarding criticising Sadhguru and that was very heartbreaking for me because I never hoped to see such video of any ISKCON devotee then I started to gather many videos on this topic from both sides and last video I saw for this is by ISKCON India Scholars Board and that was very convincing and today after seeing this video all the doubs flew away. And this is the best video with all docs. attached and with such a humble tone and you gave it a good amount of time and explained every possible loophole. Thank you prabhu ji Hare Krishna Harriii boooooll!! ❤
Koi baat nhi pravuji ap hare krishna mahamanta ka chanting kariye baki sab Krishna ke upar chhod dijiye । Ek na ek din Krishna apka aur apka family ka problems ko hata denge ।😇🙏♥️
Dandavat Pranam Prabhuji.... My mind was so unstable after hearing some of the ritvik argument videos. I had 2 sleepless nights after the harsh comments I heard. But my heart calmed down after listening to your explanations. Bohot Bohot Dhanyawad for these videos.
Hare Krishna.. Please do check “Prabhupada’s Rtvik System As It Is (Hindi Subs)” by Nimai Nitai das. And get to know about the full reality of this system and then decide which is correct. Prabhuji is trying to hide many points in the video and skipping the main points told by Srila Prabhupada.
Actually ritviks are doing Vaisnava Aparadha against Srila Prabhupada. As per him, Srila Prabhupada was not qualified to even make one pure devotee who could be a diksha guru. As per SB and Gita, a pure devotee can make many other pure devotees as well, but since as according to you Prabhupada was not able to do it, so prabhupada himself was not a pure devotee. Prabhupada NEVER said that after he leave, none of his disciples can give diksha. But we are 100% sure that Srila Prabhupada is very pleased with the current ISKCON gurus and his disciples, for their work, efforts and dedication to follow, practice and preach KC. They can never give diksha against the desire of Prabhupada, as they are totally surrendered to Prabhupada. They clearly specify at the time of initiation that they are only a medium to connect their disciples to Srila Prabhupada and Guru Parampara. They might be conditioned in beginning of their spiritual journey (1970s), but now many of them are pure devotees. Srila Prabhupada still regularly keep in touch with his sincere and dedicated disciples. Many of them are pure devotees. This I have come to realise by closely interacting with their brahmachari and grihastha disciples. Many of the current ISKCON sanyasi gurus have mystic powers (this I know after closely associating with the disciples of HH Radhanath Swami Maharaj, Late HH Gopala Krishna Goswami Maharaj, HH Jaya Pataka Maharaj, HH Radha Govinda Swami Maharaj, HH Giriraj Maharaj, Late HH Bhakti Tirtha Maharaj and HH Indradyumna Swami Maharaj. I am closely associating with their brahmachari and grihastha disciples since last 6 years). And SB explains ‘Mystic powers automatically comes to the pure devotees without any personal endeavour’.
This was very very much informative... Thankyou so much for this video prabhuji😇🙏🏻 i was so confused regarding ritvikvad system. This video helped me alot..Hare krishna! Haribol! 💫
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
@@rahulchandila7589The ritvik philosophy was not based on the scriptures, but merely on supposition and interpretation of a few of Srila Prabhupada’s last statements.
@@biren5445 Hare Krishna prabhu ji I also used to think like that before knowing that Prabhupada has started this process ( initiation on his behalf ) in 1972 not in the last few months. In last Srila Prabhupada gave this process a formal structure which is proved by 9 july 1977 letter
@@rahulchandila7589 I had been ritvik for 8 years. This is just dry philosophy without any support. If Srila Prabhupada wants the ritvik system to go for eternity, why is there no such proof in his writing? Give me a clear statement! Why would Srila Prabhupada neglect to mention something as important as this ritvik system in writing? Why? Why? Why? Any sane person should accept this fact that there is no such proof! The July 9th letter doesn't say that this ritvik initiation system would go on for 10,000 years.
Hare Krishna prabhuji, very well explained. I totally agree with you that we should try not to commit Vaishnav Apradh and one should follow whatever sampraday one wishes to.
hare krishna prabhuji, You can use below eye-opening videos for research. I am not from Akshay patra iskcon banglore or give gita or ISKM. I am a prabhupada devotee. HH bhakti charu swami clarification on ritvikism. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wFUJjrtEwwY.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QatUU7XLxco.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_WVcjM_MxSU.html
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980* Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja: The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna spoke. Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
Highly recommend very well explained And your description increased our appreciation for Gopal krsna Maharaj and Jayapataka Maharaj. Dandawat pranam prabhuji Hare krsna
Harii boll🙇🙇i could feel the pain in your voice in the end about people hurting vaishnavas. Your voice itself is representative of how great ISKCON is, how great our Acharyas are. Thank you so much prabhuji. Please bless us with this kind of bhakti and attitude towards other vaishnavas. Hare Krishna. Dandwat pranam. Yas, Sumedha.
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980* Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja: The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna spoke. Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
Prabhuji you explained very nicely and lastly glories of such great vaishnavas you told... Prabhuji please make a video on all these great vaishnavas glorifying them...we want there glorification which will make us pure... Thanks alot prabhuji Hare krishna
Hare Krishn prabhuji Dandwat pranam😢🙇♀🌸🌼🙌you r very humble prabhuji🙇♀🌸🌼🙌 Thanku so much prabhuji you explained it very well to us🙇♀🌸 Prabhuji Thanku so much to save many people from vaishnav aparadh🙇♀🌸
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980* Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja: The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna spoke. Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
I was also introduced to Krishna Consciousness by HG Vrindavan Chandra Prabhuji but later we decided to follow ISKCON as it's Sila Prabhupad's own organisation.
@@Ram-em3ot u mean to say ISKCON is not bonafied? We can't take diksha from there? A vaisnava thinks 1000 times before opening mouth so plz be a good vaisnava first. So many initiating gurus are their in iskcon and very Systematic and pure process of initiation they follow. 🙏 Hare Krishna
@@anshumankr7303 yes prabhuji, iskcon is not eligible to give Diksha to aryas of Bharat. I know what I am speaking, Iskcon does not follow the rules of vaishnavagamas. Follow vaishnavacharyas and vaishnavgamas for they are incarnation/expansion of lord himself. A foreigner, a parampraheen, one who has travelled out of india and many others can not give Diksha. It is advised to get a shrotriya Vaishnav guru, if not him then a sandhyopasak Vaishnav Arya can initiate you as Vaishnav and give nammantra (even he is not eligible to give other mantras and stotras). Hare Krishna, jai Srila Prabhupada
Hare Krishna, you have changed your mind to leave BC but please beware of some so called' gurus' to take initiation. They can never take you to Goloka Vrindavan in this life time. Dozens of 'fake and fallen gurus who are still in their position after they are fallen down. One of them is Lokonath swami who molested a 11 years old girl in CA in 1981. That girl is 42 years old now and still going to therapist.... this is not a story, you can search in Google the details.
Hare Krishna prabhuji , dandavat pranam , very thoughtful presentation, the way you spoke and made us understand each and every aspect with letters of srila Prabhupada was very convincing!!!! I really needed this kind of information for my spiritual journey!!!! And your videos are very inspiring, in 1 or 3 mins video you talk about amazing pastimes , lessons for sadhakas and you cover almost everything in those 2 mins!!!! Thankyou so much Hare Krishna dandavat pranam
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
@@rahulchandila7589yeah that's it when one of the ritvik devotee already cleared they all have miss used the position of ritvik to a GURU so why arguments hence MPP statement is cleared
आपने 100% सही कहा है प्रभुजी वो भी पूरे सबूत के साथ में सबसे अच्छा ये लगा की आपने आपने कहा कि प्रभुपाद को ना छोड़े जबकि ऋत्विक वाले बोलते हैं की प्रभुपाद को छोड़ के कही ओर से दीक्षा ले ले लेकिन इस्कॉन से न ले ये वैष्णव अपराध है
Prabhuji kaha se aapko ye sahi lag Raha h ........ Inhone ye to btaya hi nhi ki prabhupad ji ne kisi ko bhi dikhsha guru banne ka nhi bola h ...... Prabhupada ji ne ye kaha h ki 10,000 years tak bahi diksha guru rahenge .... Ye log is baat ko kyun nhi manne ko taiyaar h ..... Or aaj khud hi diksha guru banke baidhe h kyun nhi prabhupad ji ke full order ka palan kar hare
Hare Krishna prabuji I am from ISKCON . I am also very much confused about ISKCON and ISKM. But now it's pretty clear. Thank you for making this vedio. Hare Krishna
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
@@krishnacharan9527 हा जरुर होना चाहिये ! शास्त्र कहता हैं की, जो भी व्यक्ती (कितना भी पतित क्यों न हो !!) सिर्फ एक बार श्रीभगवन विष्णू या श्रीराम या श्रीकृष्ण का नाम को उच्चारता हैं (चाहे हसीं मजाक या व्यंग से भी !!) उसे वैष्णव समझना चाहिये ! इसीलिये प.पू प्रभुपादजी भी हमेशा कहा करते थे की, "NEVER BLAME A PERSON WHO IS STANDING BELOW THE SHOWER" तो अब आप ही बताओ श्रीमान कृष्णचरण जी, की इस दुनियाँ में "वैष्णव" कितने होंगे ?!!😊
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
hare krishna prabhuji, Sorry for attmepting to confuse u more . You can use below eye-opening videos for research. I am not from Akshay patra iskcon banglore or give gita or ISKM. I am a prabhupada devotee. HH bhakti charu swami clarification on ritvikism. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wFUJjrtEwwY.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QatUU7XLxco.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_WVcjM_MxSU.html
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
@@rahulchandila7589 Hare Krishna prabhu ji. In this video prabhu ji clearly show what is truth, and as a matter of fact that Prabhupada never appointed any one as diksha guru, that's not true Prabhupada make HH gaur govind swami Maharaj as diksha guru, When Prabhupada went to bhubaneswar there Prabhupada spend 16 days, in between those days there are more topics can be discussed, but among all topic, Prabhupada himself tell that gaur govind swami now you are preching so you need to except disciple so that preaching can be smoothly continue. As a matter of etiquette he except disciple after shrila Prabhupada departure. Well you might think it was just made by iskcon followers but is that every one is wrong and you are only person who is right, if there in iskcon people are not devoted to lord and Prabhupada & his teachings. It can be collapse, but now you can see iskcon is flourishing across the globe. And we welcome you to please come into the shelter of our HDG AC Bhakti Vedanta swami shrila Prabhupada movment. Hare Krishna
@@HQ286 can you show me any letter , conversation where prabhupada made gaur govind swami diksha guru. actually there is no any proof that prabhupada made anyone diksha guru
@@rahulchandila7589 there was top most senior devotees.they told to everyone not that Maharaj is telling that i want to be diksha guru there was more than 8 to 11 people and simelerly Prabhupada wants that every one should become guru hence first be eligible for that, And prabhu ji as a matter of proof and facts prabhu ji represent very nicely you can watch full video frame by frame, we never criticize like you ritvik iskm people are doing, in scripture there are clearly say that ritvik are those who help to master not to be the master, if this was the process so you can even take initiation from srila bhakti siddhant swami Maharaj, spritual master of Prabhupada in this way you can imitate Prabhupada to, forget about everything just take initiation form krsna, why not Scripture are saying if you have any confusion go to 1 - guru 2 _ sastara ( scripture) 3 - sadhu Prabhupada don't know you guys have done such terrible things. If he knows he never appointed ritvik. But after leaving His transcendental body his pure disciples can continue very well, cause of this iskcon is growing. You want proof watch this video properly 🙏 Hare Krishna
Hare Krishna prabhuji, thank you so much for making this video. You presented the points in a such a humble and straightforward way. You have a wonderful mood. All Glories to your service. 🙏🙏 Your servant
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980* Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja: The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna spoke. Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
Hare Krishna Ishwar Gaurang Prabhuji this is so mature and Vaishnav way of dealing with such a sensitive topic.Your humility is flashing so brightly that this itself is proof about who is right.And yes this is our Internal family issue and you have not offended Ritviks but explained more clearly.this is proff of your maturity that as i heard many ritwiks outrightly critisize and offend non ritwiks openly without fear of Vaishnav aparadh.Riviks themselves are defeating them as they do not even know what is vaishnav apradh what to speak of know deeper aspects of philosophy....If child do not know ABCD and bluffs about Phd. topics its suh a joke...Hare Krishna may Lord bless you to take ISKCON ahead far and wide but with your ever growing Natural humility....Hare Krishna
Whatever it be Both are under the shelter of srila prabhupada There are some conflicts between us but we should respect each other Chant and be happy ❤
Hare Krishna Prabhu PAMHO AGTSP Prabhu, It was an educative presentation. Well done to present your thoughts and opinion, I wish to present you the Prabhupada UNINTERPRETTED version of the reality by bringing all the facts in front of you and the audience and Gaudiya Followers. Prabhu, with all due respect I wish to present concept by concept of your video presentation. If you wish to clarify kindly note that you can personally mail me for a pleasing discussion. To all the viewers, Ishvara Gauranga Das prabhuji has very aptly told that we should not fight on social media which slackkens the faith of a new devotee of ISKCON. My ernest request is to open a podcast and invite both the parties and try to figure-out the issue instead of making a one-sided video and please the converted audience We should act as Prabhupada told us "Cooperation among devotees is a necessity, not an option." (Letter to Kirtanananda, 21 December 1971) 5:28 > Prabhu, this version is a watered-down version of showcasing what happend in ISKCON @ 1980s and next 4 Decades. To know more about this a. Detailed Analysis of ISKCON-GBC Resolution on this Issue : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CC25KAPkkT4.html b. Read HDG Srila Prabhupada on "Why Gaudiya Math Failed?" : theharekrishnamovement.org/2011/04/21/iskcons-decline-after-srila-prabhupadas-departure/ c. Hear ISKCON Bangalore struggle in this regard: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cg99MPE8nnQ.html 6:53 > ISKCON GBC always found it always uncomfortable to discuss this topic internally or publically all these decades. But unavoidably they conducted Ritvik debate 1990s footage. Kindy go through you can easily know who is winning the Argument. P1 : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kXTW_zkCEw0.html P2 : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xKO_i_EySUc.html Hear about the devotees fate discussing this topic then: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0etTk84hhaU.html 8:10 , 8:52 , 9:48, 12:00 , 14:17 > Prabhu, This is a crutial point where the whole argument is watered-down to win the favor of few. To all viewers : Kindly know that MAY 28th, 1977 conversation and July 9th,1977 Conversation are TWINS they can never be seperated. As July 9th letter starts with "Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as "ritvik - representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations" Prabhupada is informing "HENCEFORTH" as 11 will act as RITVIK when PRABHUPADA is NO LONGER PHYSICALLY PRESENT there is NO CONFUSION when we read in this context : May 28th, 1977 : vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770528mevrn/ July 9th, 1977 : vedabase.io/en/library/letters/letter-to-all-gbc-all-temple-presidents/ July 19th, 1977 : "continue to become ṛttvik and act on my charge." vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770719r1vrn/ I would like to bring to your notice about May 28th, 1977 conversation that Prabhupada told "When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it." that means there was no one order. 14:51 , 18:12 , 23:12 > Prabhupada always hoped that his disciple become qualified for become DIKSHA GURU from 1966 to 1977. But below are decisive interview snippets with Prabhupada's Plan on LAW OF DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION. Interview 1 : June 4th, 1976 : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Z-fPZJ2UlTQ.html Interview 2 : June 10th, 1976 : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Z-fPZJ2UlTQ.html Amar Ajna Guru Hai means in Prabhupadas own words as "Shiksha Guru" on May 30 1976 Honolulu: surl.li/gxinu 18:24 > Guru, Sadhu and Shastra Point Prabhu, below are the list of Madhwa, Srivishnava Dignitaries who have not only acknowledged rather have also said this is the same system achayras in their Sampradaya instated: Madhava Scholar : Vidyavachaspati Bannanje Govindacharya : www.indiadivine.org/content/topic/966455-interview-with-sri-bannanje-govindacharya/ Sri Vaishnava Scholar : Sri Sri Rangapriya Swami Desikachar : www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2653 Prof. Tatachar , Academy of Sanskrit Research, Melkote : www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2655 There is no mention of Sanyas diksha for Mlechhas, but Prabhupada accepted them as Sanyassis for preaching that anyone can be a Vaishnava. Prabhu, Note that this, Gaudiya Matha failed and thier failed leaders have in 1980s and 1990s influence is now impacting ISKCON worldwide.Kindly read what Srila Prabhupada has told about following Gaudiya Math and Hs own Godbrothers: krishna.org/srila-prabhupada-speaks-about-his-gaudiya-math-godbrothers/ 22:14 , 26:35 > Prabhu, Brahma, Siva and other pure devotee fall down is a very offensive statement. It is against the whole parampara system itself. SB 7.7.14 : "Therefore one is strictly forbidden to think that the ācārya is an ordinary human being (guruṣu nara-matiḥ)" > prabhupadabooks.com/sb/7/7/14 Similar instance happened with one Scholar devotee named Nitai Das in 1976 and SP banned him from ISKCON for this kind of offensive statement stating "that Nitai has become a venomous serpent. Be careful of him" srilaprabhupadalila.org/read/SPT258 24:39 , 26:35 , 29:38 > Prabhu, You mentioned without research that HDG BSST didnot open tell that HDG Srila Prabupada is the next acharya is also not so great argument. Kindly read this Letter to Rupanuga -- Tirupati 28 April, 1974 "self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected" vaniquotes.org/wiki/Self_effulgent_acarya_would_be_automatically_selected 25:24 > Prabhu, Yes Prabhupada selected only 11 ritviks but in the same May 28th conversation later authorised to increase or change the number of ritviks at necessary times. But as a the whole Commission committed blunder as accepted later by HH Tamal Krishna Goswami : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-u2R39HsAXrU.html HG Hamsaduta Swami : harekrsna.org/prabhupada-never-authorized-us-to-be-gurus-hansadutta-1993/ The most intelligent acharya had setup DIRECTIVE-OF-MANAGEMENT of the smooth running of the Movement and this is : Read this DoM Document: prabhupadabooks.com/dom Read the will of Srila Prabhupada: prabhupadabooks.com/will and note a. GBC is "ultimate managing authority" not "ultimate Spiritual authority" b. "a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, provided the new director is MY INITIATED DISCIPLE" 30:45 > Prabhu, I genunily think that if follow original Parampara as presented by Srila Prabhupada directly we will be more mature. And with regards to infecting new people I agree both the parties have to be very sensitive. Just like ISKCON Bangalore dont outright preach this rather they focus on Philosophy but they reveal it ony when right time comes or when asked for. Sometimes due to influnce of Rasa-Shastra as presented by senior devotees of ISKCON Group neopyte dont learn the the foundational topics from SRILA PRABHUPADA hence later behave sentimentally humble and ecstatic. This has to be rectified ASAP for the welfare of all the devotees in general. Ecstatic Dance like this can be avoided : ru-vid.comkQqrSF9YIrU?feature=share 34:13 > Yes Vaishnav Aparadh has to be curbed immediately. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cKuvYy5MrNM.html a. Why did famous "Jadurani", "Yamuna" Mathaji leave ISKCON? What happend to "Sulocha Das"? Was justice brought to b. little Vaishnavas who were abused in Gurukulas? etc c. Why people in ISKCON keep canvas about "MY Guru Maharaj" why not Srila Prabhupada? d. HH JPS Maharaj ordered his discples to file a criminal case against HG MPP, is this a Vaishnav Aparadha as it is a Character assasination of a devotee who became an overnight criminal from being a pet Disciple? e. Why the financial reports on Guru dakshina is not published? Where is the money going? Why are dieties wearing plastic garlands? Prabhu, Kindly note that these are not only my questions. There are many questions which is difficult get answer for. Hope you dont delete this comment like the previous one. Hare Krishna. Your Servant🙇♂🙇♂
Hare Krishna prabhuji dandvat pranam, Many thanks for your initiative on this. You are a very good devotee and really dedicated to guru, Srila prabhupada and Gauranga Mahaprabhu. I recently started following you and its very interesting to listen you as the way you explain it gives a clear understanding.🙏🙏🙏
HARE KRISHNA PLEASE READ IT ONCE!!! (1) why you hide the last two lines in conversation of 28 MAY 1977 (2) why you hide the real thing from prabhupad's will - that only my initiated disciples can become the directors of iskcon (3) In his many books prabhupada writes that one can only become guru when his guru authorised her to become guru and prabhupada never appoint anyone to become diksha guru. I request you all please listen vrindavan chandra prabhu ji's video on ritvikism and then decide because in this video they just show what they just wanted to show
You don't even know the reality of these evil ISKCON Gurus who poisioned Prabhupada...these iskcon GBC gurus go to parties , Kapil Sharma shows, meet aashish chanchlani ,. GBC which you know as orignal iskcon is and was a managing body, it was supposed to manage iskcon movemnt not to apoint gurus and people and give them names..by following this guru system Prabhupadas deciples will no longer be here.. Prabhupada himself said in his letters one who will follow GBC will surely go to hell so follow the ritvik system , he said this in the July letter if 1977 . Please do some research before commenting such stupid stuff. These gurus do not follow Prabhupada's will. Isliye aankhe band karke andh bhakt banke mat follw Karo GBC iskcon ko.
Already people don't want to do bhakti, after trying so much thing, few people are coming as a result of a lot of preaching, but here is so much division. New people will be confused about where to go. Thank you very much for making it clear . Hare Krishna
Hare Krishna Prabhuji you done a great job 👍🙏 you talked about very sensitive issue, actually devotees want but don't talk about that, you talked on it, for that hats off to you 🙏 Haribol....
Hare Krishna, please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada, All glories to Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga. Prabhu thank you 🙏 Ys, Parakrami Partha Das
If ISKCON is right then in this video this man is saying that like the ISKCON guru's Lord Brahma & Lord Shiva also fell down....This is what told by this person in this video. Do you really think that whatever he told is correct ??
Shrila prabhupaad ji ki geeta me likha hai k ek din pravati mata sir pakad k baithi thi phir shivji k man me unke liye kaam ki iccha jagrat hui kya mtlb hai? K shiv ji k andr kaam vasna aa gyi, Thoda sochna chahiye kaam krodh lobh moh kaise ho skta hai kisi bhi bhagwaan me, Iska jawab nhi de payege ye log, Shiv ji aur baaki devi dewta ko itna neeche kyu btaya gya hai
*PYRAMID HOUSE CONFESSIONS, December 3rd, 1980* Tamāla Krşna Mahārāja: The inspiration came because there was a questioning on my part, so Krsna spoke. Actually, Prabhupāda never appointed any gurus. [.] He appointed eleven rtviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus.
Thank You for the Wonderful Video Prabhuji..I also went through ISKM, HKM, ISKCON Indonesia and Finally by the Grace of Guru, Gauranga, His Holiness ParamPujya Sri Gopala Krishna Goswami Maharaj given me Diksha & provided shelter at his Lotus Feet
प्रभु जी आपको सुनने के बाद तो रित्विक व्यवस्था पर मेरा विश्वास और भी अधिक दृढ़ हो गया है क्योंकि जैसा आपने बताया कि प्रभुपाद ने शरीर त्यागने से पूर्व 11 रित्विक अप्वॉइंट किए थे इसका मतलब है कि उन्होंने रित्विक व्यवस्था को अपने शरीर त्यागने से पूर्व ही अप्रूवल दे दिया था। श्रील प्रभुपाद ने आप के मुख से ही सच बुलवा दिया😊 और जिस व्यवस्था पर इसकाॅन चल रहा है उस व्यवस्था के विषय में प्रभुपाद ने शरीर त्यागने से पूर्व कोई भी प्लानिंग क्यों नहीं की? आप ने यह कहा कि अन्य आचार्यों ने रित्विक व्यवस्था का खंडन किया है कि यह शास्त्रों के अनुकूल नहीं है फिर श्रील प्रभुपाद ने शरीर रहते शास्त्रों के विपरीत व्यवस्था चला दी आपके कहने का अर्थ यही है!?! जय श्रील प्रभुपाद 🙌
हरे कृष्णा माता जी, इस तरह की logical बातें करना इस कमेन्ट सेक्शन मे वर्जित हैं, कृपया sentimental बातें ही पोस्ट करे अन्यथा किसी guruvadi Prabhu के sentiments हर्ट हो जाएंगे |
Nimisha ranjan mataji ....if your going with ritvik waad then where are those 11 ritvik ....those to whom you are following they are how to be appointed to give initiation...is that Srila Prabhupada asked them to do so sorry ....mataji you need to be very rational and analysing that how arrogancy reflected in rithvik waad people...🙏Hare Krishna 🙏
@@gkgvishwambharmohandas4008 श्री वृंदावन चंद्र दास जी की और भी कई वीडियोस रिलीज हुई हैं, जिनमें की रित्विक व्यवस्था के विषय में बहुत ही तर्कपूर्ण तरीके से समझाया गया है। आप कृपया करके इन वीडियोस को देखें ।अब कहीं भी कोई डाउट नहीं रह गया है कि प्रभुपाद ने रित्विक व्यवस्था ही सेट की थी इसके अलावा दूसरी और कोई व्यवस्था नहीं है। आंखों पर से पर्दा हटाइए सच सामने आ जाएगा।
भाई जिसे जाना था वो चला गया एक दिन सबको जाना है और कुछ भी साथ नहीं लेकर जाना। रहीं बात साधक की, वो जिसे चाहे उसकी आज्ञा से उसे अपना गुरु बना सकता हैं। आध्यात्मिक जीवन में अपने आप को आप जितना महत्व दोगे उतना ही आपका महत्व कम होता जायेगा । उतम यही होगा कि गुरु चुनने का निर्णय आप दोनों (रित्विक और इस्कोन) जो साधक जिसे दीक्षा स्वीकार करनी है उसी पर छोड़ दें।🙏 ।। हरे कृष्ण राधे राधे।।
Dandavat pranam prabhuji, I'm so grateful for your sincere and wonderful presentation! It was very thorough and balanced.. even though I have heard these concepts my whole life - I was convinced by your sound and straightforward logic. You brought tears to my eyes at the end. May Srila Prabhupada and the whole guru parampara bless you and continue to protect and empower you!!
Jai Prabhuji! Everything became Crystal clear! Most importantly, without offending anyone! Concluding part of the video is really heart touching. Thank you prabhuji!
First of all you say that there is no indication in July 9th letter about it's continuation after Prabhupada's departure but I think you didn't read it's first line. "Recently when the GBC members were with His Divine Grace", it's referring to the May 28th conversation. Just read the May 28th conversation you will understand everything. Prabhupada was asked that "initiations in the future specifically when you are no longer with us" so it clearly means after Prabhupada's departure how initiations will be conducted, then to make it short Prabhupada said that he is going to appoint officiating acharyas ie. Ritwik. You can see all this in the May 28th conversation. So it was very clear that Prabhupada wanted ritwik system after his departure. And even at the end Prabhupada clearly said that only when he says "You become Guru", then one will become regular Guru. So it is very clear from above that 1. After his departure Prabhupada wanted ritwik system to continue and 2. If someone has to become Guru then Prabhupada should order. Also I saw that you are comparing it with other Sampradayas, there is no point in doing that, if Prabhupada is authorising something then that becomes bonafide, that way you should also compare 16 rounds chanting, which Sampradayas do you find this, none right? Why do you follow then?? Because Prabhupada has authorised, right?? Same is with ritwik system!! Also if you still doubt that the Guru need not be ordered by his Guru, then you may go and refer to Prabhupada's lecture in Nairobi on 28th October 1975, where Prabhupada clearly said "A guru can become Guru when he is ordered by his Guru". Also in that Prabhupada clearly said that he had been ordered by His Guru. Also finally there is the will of Prabhupada where Prabhupada has mentioned that the managing director should be "my initiated disciple". So this is possible only if the ritwik system continues. Just two days before Prabhupada changing this point Jayatirtha read and it was "an initiated disciple" but Prabhupada changed it to my initiated disciple. This clearly shows that Prabhupada wanted the ritwik system to continue, otherwise if all the disciples of Prabhupada who have been initiated by Him till 1977, would leave their bodies, then nobody can become managing director, because nobody would be Prabhupada's initiated disciple, so for that to happen ritwik system should continue. Still if you have any doubt on ritwik system, watch this series: ru-vid.com/group/PLQGHF3mp1o789PKRgjtfAK9mW7irlqbVe
Hare Krishna Prabhu PAMHO AGTSP Prabhu, It was an educative presentation. Well done to present your thoughts and opinion, I wish to present you the Prabhupada UNINTERPRETTED version of the reality by bringing all the facts in front of you and the audience and Gaudiya Followers. Prabhu, with all due respect I wish to present concept by concept of your video presentation. If you wish to clarify kindly note that you can personally mail me for a pleasing discussion. To all the viewers, Ishvara Gauranga Das prabhuji has very aptly told that we should not fight on social media which slackkens the faith of a new devotee of ISKCON. My ernest request is to open a podcast and invite both the parties and try to figure-out the issue instead of making a one-sided video and please the converted audience We should act as Prabhupada told us "Cooperation among devotees is a necessity, not an option." (Letter to Kirtanananda, 21 December 1971) 5:28 > Prabhu, this version is a watered-down version of showcasing what happend in ISKCON @ 1980s and next 4 Decades. To know more about this a. Detailed Analysis of ISKCON-GBC Resolution on this Issue : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CC25KAPkkT4.html b. Read HDG Srila Prabhupada on "Why Gaudiya Math Failed?" : theharekrishnamovement.org/2011/04/21/iskcons-decline-after-srila-prabhupadas-departure/ c. Hear ISKCON Bangalore struggle in this regard: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cg99MPE8nnQ.html 6:53 > ISKCON GBC always found it always uncomfortable to discuss this topic internally or publically all these decades. But unavoidably they conducted Ritvik debate 1990s footage. Kindy go through you can easily know who is winning the Argument. P1 : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kXTW_zkCEw0.html P2 : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xKO_i_EySUc.html Hear about the devotees fate discussing this topic then: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0etTk84hhaU.html 8:10 , 8:52 , 9:48, 12:00 , 14:17 > Prabhu, This is a crutial point where the whole argument is watered-down to win the favor of few. To all viewers : Kindly know that MAY 28th, 1977 conversation and July 9th,1977 Conversation are TWINS they can never be seperated. As July 9th letter starts with "Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as "ritvik - representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations" Prabhupada is informing "HENCEFORTH" as 11 will act as RITVIK when PRABHUPADA is NO LONGER PHYSICALLY PRESENT there is NO CONFUSION when we read in this context : May 28th, 1977 : vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770528mevrn/ July 9th, 1977 : vedabase.io/en/library/letters/letter-to-all-gbc-all-temple-presidents/ July 19th, 1977 : "continue to become ṛttvik and act on my charge." vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770719r1vrn/ I would like to bring to your notice about May 28th, 1977 conversation that Prabhupada told "When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it." that means there was no one order. 14:51 , 18:12 , 23:12 > Prabhupada always hoped that his disciple become qualified for become DIKSHA GURU from 1966 to 1977. But below are decisive interview snippets with Prabhupada's Plan on LAW OF DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION. Interview 1 : June 4th, 1976 : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Z-fPZJ2UlTQ.html Interview 2 : June 10th, 1976 : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Z-fPZJ2UlTQ.html Amar Ajna Guru Hai means in Prabhupadas own words as "Shiksha Guru" on May 30 1976 Honolulu: surl.li/gxinu 18:24 > Guru, Sadhu and Shastra Point Prabhu, below are the list of Madhwa, Srivishnava Dignitaries who have not only acknowledged rather have also said this is the same system achayras in their Sampradaya instated: Madhava Scholar : Vidyavachaspati Bannanje Govindacharya : www.indiadivine.org/content/topic/966455-interview-with-sri-bannanje-govindacharya/ Sri Vaishnava Scholar : Sri Sri Rangapriya Swami Desikachar : www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2653 Prof. Tatachar , Academy of Sanskrit Research, Melkote : www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2655 There is no mention of Sanyas diksha for Mlechhas, but Prabhupada accepted them as Sanyassis for preaching that anyone can be a Vaishnava. Prabhu, Note that this, Gaudiya Matha failed and thier failed leaders have in 1980s and 1990s influence is now impacting ISKCON worldwide.Kindly read what Srila Prabhupada has told about following Gaudiya Math and Hs own Godbrothers: krishna.org/srila-prabhupada-speaks-about-his-gaudiya-math-godbrothers/ 22:14 , 26:35 > Prabhu, Brahma, Siva and other pure devotee fall down is a very offensive statement. It is against the whole parampara system itself. SB 7.7.14 : "Therefore one is strictly forbidden to think that the ācārya is an ordinary human being (guruṣu nara-matiḥ)" > prabhupadabooks.com/sb/7/7/14 Similar instance happened with one Scholar devotee named Nitai Das in 1976 and SP banned him from ISKCON for this kind of offensive statement stating "that Nitai has become a venomous serpent. Be careful of him" srilaprabhupadalila.org/read/SPT258 24:39 , 26:35 , 29:38 > Prabhu, You mentioned without research that HDG BSST didnot open tell that HDG Srila Prabupada is the next acharya is also not so great argument. Kindly read this Letter to Rupanuga -- Tirupati 28 April, 1974 "self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected" vaniquotes.org/wiki/Self_effulgent_acarya_would_be_automatically_selected Be curious within your limit : www.prabhupadaconnect.com/Dont-Go-Very-Speedily.html 25:24 > Prabhu, Yes Prabhupada selected only 11 ritviks but in the same May 28th conversation later authorised to increase or change the number of ritviks at necessary times. But as a the whole Commission committed blunder as accepted later by HH Tamal Krishna Goswami : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-u2R39HsAXrU.html HG Hamsaduta Swami : harekrsna.org/prabhupada-never-authorized-us-to-be-gurus-hansadutta-1993/ The most intelligent acharya had setup DIRECTIVE-OF-MANAGEMENT of the smooth running of the Movement and this is : Read this DoM Document: prabhupadabooks.com/dom Read the will of Srila Prabhupada: prabhupadabooks.com/will and note a. GBC is "ultimate managing authority" not "ultimate Spiritual authority" b. "a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, provided the new director is MY INITIATED DISCIPLE" 30:45 > Prabhu, I genunily think that if follow original Parampara as presented by Srila Prabhupada directly we will be more mature. And with regards to infecting new people I agree both the parties have to be very sensitive. Just like ISKCON Bangalore dont outright preach this rather they focus on Philosophy but they reveal it ony when right time comes or when asked for. Sometimes due to influnce of Rasa-Shastra as presented by senior devotees of ISKCON Group neopyte dont learn the the foundational topics from SRILA PRABHUPADA hence later behave sentimentally humble and ecstatic. This has to be rectified ASAP for the welfare of all the devotees in general. Ecstatic Dance like this can be avoided : ru-vid.comkQqrSF9YIrU?feature=share 34:13 > Yes Vaishnav Aparadh has to be curbed immediately. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cKuvYy5MrNM.html a. Why did famous "Jadurani", "Yamuna" Mathaji leave ISKCON? What happend to "Sulocha Das"? Was justice brought to b. little Vaishnavas who were abused in Gurukulas? etc c. Why people in ISKCON keep canvas about "MY Guru Maharaj" why not Srila Prabhupada? d. HH JPS Maharaj ordered his discples to file a criminal case against HG MPP, is this a Vaishnav Aparadha as it is a Character assasination of a devotee who became an overnight criminal from being a pet Disciple? e. Why the financial reports on Guru dakshina is not published? Where is the money going? Why are dieties wearing plastic garlands? Prabhu, Kindly note that these are not only my questions. There are many questions which is difficult get answer for. Hope you dont delete this comment like the previous one. More 30 years Un-Biased analysis by Ameyatma Das(ACBSP) : ru-vid.com/group/PL9OOuzY2ZCr-oxLRbIpRB6aiF8JP-clJE Hare Krishna. Your Servant
