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PART TWO: William Lane Craig
Three scholars present key points of view from their respective books on the historical Adam. Each panelist offers a critique of their colleagues' works while also engaging Q&A from the audience.
This informative discussion was hosted at the 2022 annual Society of Biblical Literature (SBL) and the American Academy of Religion (AAR) meeting.
Due to the length of the session, the video is presented in three parts.
Moderator: Tyson James
Panelists:
Part One: Dr. Joshua Swamidass: • Part One: Joshua Swami...
Part Two: Dr. William Lane Craig
Part Three: Dr. Andrew Loke
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@ThatCheech
@ThatCheech 11 месяцев назад
I'm grateful for the work being done here. This content is very useful when discussing my faith with my atheist friends. This is another example that theists (Christians specifically) can have their biblical convictions/doctrines and data of modern science/philosophy in the same room.
@bipn_406
@bipn_406 11 месяцев назад
That's great!
@radscorpion8
@radscorpion8 11 месяцев назад
do you also discuss the legitimacy of noah's ark? Do you believe God flooded the entire planet and that a zoo-boat of giraffes and elephants and every other animal survived on a wooden ship constructed largely by one man? :)
@pathfinding4687
@pathfinding4687 11 месяцев назад
@@radscorpion8 It is important to understand hermeneutics regarding this question. The Bible, as do modern day people, often use terms in a way that is not fully literal. For example, in John 12:19 when Jesus entered Jerusalem to the acclaim of a great many people, the Pharisees sad/lamented to one another "Look, the world has gone after him". Obviously they didn't mean the entire population of Earth. Also, when Noah built an ark and saved his entire family, along with many animals, this was a symbolic offering of creation as it was a common theme of the Old Testament for fallen people to mediate their reconciliation with God through un-fallen creation. Human beings were supposed to be lords of creation but our fallen state has rendered us, temporarily, less close to God than is creation. The language of the story of Noah is not to be taken literally even though it likely happened. It should be considered through a hermeneutic understanding of the way language was used thousands of years ago.
@th3ist
@th3ist 11 месяцев назад
something struck me at the end with the last question. craig admitted that his theological/philosophical conclusion was not based upon linguistics (the language of the bible i guess?) this is logically equivalent to athiest conclusions that don't use linguistics. theology seems to be really flexible which is good i guess. from the kalaam argument which uses philosophical and scientific premises leading to a theologically significant conclusion to ancient adam arguments that don't need any linguistic premises at all. need to think on this
@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns
@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns 11 месяцев назад
But he *does* think there are clues for this view implied by the biblical texts…
@pathfinding4687
@pathfinding4687 11 месяцев назад
I think Dr Craigs error here is not so much one of his conclusions but rather his entire approach. It should be understood that the concept of being in the ‘image of God’ is both a binary and non-binary classification. In fact, everything in creation, from atoms all the way up to plants and insects and lower animals to primate and hominids are all expressions of God’s nature. God Himself is the template for everything He creates. In that sense, all things are in God’s image ‘to some degree’. That is why it is not binary. The real, binary, distinguishing line is that between things and beings that are partially in the image of God and fully in the image of God. A being having intellectual capacity and a capacity for culture and even empathy is not what determines if that being is in the full image of God. As impressive as those faculties are, that is a very low bar. Other species of hominid may share many high function qualities with Homo Sapiens, but that does not make them fully in the image of God. The objective of a being’s physiology is to be an electro-chemical, experiential mould for the eternal soul to be shaped by and to grow in. A living, adapting mould that miraculously changes and adapts to fit the needs as the spirit grows. The body of a particular animal or species of hominid has to be evolved to a high level of sophistication to enable the soul occupying it to have emotional, intellectual and wilful experiences. To in turn enable that soul to grow into a Godly being and eventually reach spiritual perfection (if unencumbered by sin). After all, we see a different ability to grow in emotional and mental sophistication in various primate species. So why would we assume that every hominid species affords the same spiritual growth potential? It is a mistake to dismiss the differences between Homo Sapiens, Neanderthal and other hominids as inconsequential. What may seem like a minor difference to us, can be a deciding factor as to just how that being’s soul can develop. I should also point out that God sometimes bestows titles not yet earned in order to engender within a person an aspiration to grow into the role. An example of this would be for a fallen person to refer to themselves as a ‘child of God’. The Bible makes it very clear that our lineage from God was cut off and we were engrafted to Lucifer/Satan and as such, we fallen people are a ‘brood of vipers’ (offspring of a serpent). We are only a child of God when we engraft to his son (reborn) and even then, our fallen nature means we still have unconscious sympathy with our false god parent Satan in that we are ‘like’ him as much as we are ‘like’ God. We only become true and full sons and daughters of God when we become perfect. But God wishes us to know that our original status is as a child of God. So it is fitting that we refer to ourselves as such even though we are not in actuality that yet. In the same way, a being is not in the full image of God until that being becomes perfect. Here, we must distinguish between being ‘perfect’ (complete/mature and also unfallen) and being ‘perfectly pure’. Adam and Eve were created/born perfectly pure, but they were not perfect as they had not grown to fullness and oneness with God. And as it turned out, they never did as that process was derailed by the fall. Adam and Eve, and ourselves are not actually created in the image of God, rather we are created with the potential to grow to perfection/fullness where we will be in the image of God. Being in God’s ‘full’ image is not just about having emotion, will and rational faculties as God does. It is also about holiness and perfection. A baby, even an unfallen baby born sinless as Adam and Eve were, is not developed and mature and perfect as God is. Were they to have grown to perfection as Jesus did, ‘then’ they would have been in the full image of God. Again, we sometimes describe things in an aspirational way even if that thing is not yet fully realised. God used all things of creation, which are in his image to some degree, to develop to higher and higher degrees of his image. The objective was to have a physical body that was of such emotional, wilful and intellectual sophistication that it could enable the spirit within to develop to spiritual perfection, holiness and be fully in the image of God. That vessel is the Homo Sapien physiology. Other Hominids may share some of our facilities in terms of certain levels of intellect and emotional capacity but there is a reason that God let them all go extinct (God put man into a deep sleep). The end product of the Homo Sapien physiology (from a ‘rib’ or ‘branch’ of hominids) was attained. Adam and Eve were Homo Sapien and although they adulterated their souls and lineage with the blood of Satan and we later even took on some DNA from other hominids, God has been working to purify us through religion and especially through the umbilical reconnection to Him through our engrafting to his son. The real question is not if other hominids were human; especially as there is no truly agreed definition of human. It is to ask what type of physiology is conducive to a spirit becoming perfect in in the ‘full’ image of God. Dr Craig’s lack of understanding of this focus is actually alarming. It would be catastrophic if many other hominid types were alive today as he would passionately argue for cross breeding. If this were to occur, and in enough numbers, the end result would be the destruction of God’s billion year refinery work in bringing about Homo Sapiens and whatever unique qualities our physiology contain. Especially how those qualities pertain to what is needed for the spirit to grow that final step from partial image of God to full image. I discussed this in part on my RU-vid channel in my video about Adam's Rib but will do an expanded talk too.
@joshua2707
@joshua2707 11 месяцев назад
So… what is your argument here, exactly?
@pathfinding4687
@pathfinding4687 11 месяцев назад
@@joshua2707 My comment 'is' my argument.
@fotoman777
@fotoman777 8 месяцев назад
Craig says, "We are therefore biblically committed to Adam and Eve as actual historical persons from whom all humanity has descended." Seriously? How is it that the talking snake or the making of Eve from Adam's rib fail to raise a red flag for Craig that the story might be fiction?
@ReasonableFaithOrg
@ReasonableFaithOrg 8 месяцев назад
In his book on the historical Adam, Dr. Craig provides many reasons to think the creation texts contain fantastic, figurative elements, including the ones you mentioned. However, he also shows that those same texts have an interest in maintaining a historical core - that God created the universe, for example. There are two key points that provide a reason to take Adam and Eve as actual historical persons. First, the resurrection of Jesus establishes the inspiration of the Scripture. Second, since Scripture is inspired, the teaching of both Jesus and Paul that Adam and Eve were historical persons from whom all of humanity descended entails that they were historical persons from whom all of humanity descended. - RF Admin
@fotoman777
@fotoman777 8 месяцев назад
@@ReasonableFaithOrg Jesus never mentions Adam and Eve, does he? He just says that humanity was created male and female from the beginning, and for this reason a man is to cleave to his wife (Mark 10.6-7, Matt 19.4-5). If Jesus thought Adam and Eve were two noteworthy historical humans, he probably would have mentioned them by name. But he ignores them and just says mankind was created male and female, which is obvious and has nothing to do with an original pair. So we are left with just a few verses in Paul. And in these verses we need to claim that Paul was not speaking figuratively or theologically, but we must rather insist that he was speaking literally. You're welcome to interpret it that way if you wish, but there is no compelling reason to, other than to support the pre-conceived theory that Adam and Eve were historical. It looks like a circular argument to me. I'm surprised that evangelicals would try press this "historical Adam" issue, as it makes it look as if being a believer requires that one abandon all common sense. Christianity can survive quite nicely on the assumption that Adam and Eve were mythical figures. Since Jesus never mentions them, why should we worry about it?
@imabeast7560
@imabeast7560 11 месяцев назад
Genesis literal or not, doesn't change the lineage listed that is literal
@pietjansevanrensburg5230
@pietjansevanrensburg5230 9 месяцев назад
The "Garden of Eden" was in the east (hebrew qedem). This refers not to a geographical location, but to "aforetime/a time before time existed. The fall of mankind happened in the spiritual realm. All spirit resides with God. We are born out in time, clothed" in skin" right here on earth. Adam&Eve were the first of mankind to walk this road. Most likely there were humanoid forms walking the face of the earth for thousands of years... In preparation for the fall that God knew would happen. The bride of Christ's redemptive purpose is to ultimately reconcile "heaven&earth" again.
@thescoobymike
@thescoobymike 11 месяцев назад
The Greeks also allegorized their own stories of their gods to try and match them better with reality
@LarryRuffin-vy7hx
@LarryRuffin-vy7hx 11 месяцев назад
It would be more helpful(I think) to make an argument showing why the actual story isn’t an allegory. Otherwise, this just begs the question against Craig’s arguments.
@thescoobymike
@thescoobymike 11 месяцев назад
@@LarryRuffin-vy7hx I do think it was intended as allegorical and symbolic in many ways, but not in the way Craig describes. The author(s) of Genesis didn’t know about evolution so there is no way they could have made an allegory for it. That’s just nonsense. Now, the kind of things I think they were trying to convey symbolically? God resting on the 7th day was an explanation made for why their people rested on the Sabbath, for example.
@Mentat1231
@Mentat1231 11 месяцев назад
​@@thescoobymike If you think Craig is claiming the Genesis story is an allegory for evolution, you are completely mistaken. I recommend reading his book.
@sk-un5jq
@sk-un5jq 6 месяцев назад
WLC is suggesting that Genesis partly mythic folklore, which I'm shocked at.
@sk-un5jq
@sk-un5jq 6 месяцев назад
@@Mentat1231 It certainly comes across that way.
@user-ce3hi6gn1l
@user-ce3hi6gn1l 11 месяцев назад
Доктор Крейг вы ничем не отличаетесь от безбожников в плане их мифоистории согласно которой жизнь зародилась путем эволюции. Адам согласно Христианскому учению реальная личность сотвореннная не из предшествующих животных, но из праха земного
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