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Dr Jonica Newby tries her luck at passport fraud only to come up against a super matcher and the elite Identity Resolution Unit.
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@JacobStein1960
@JacobStein1960 3 года назад
I have worked as a security guard checking photo IDs at the gate of a utility company. The problem is that the ID photo, or a passport photo, was not taken today. It is usually several years old. People gain or lose weight. People dye or stop dyeing their hair. Men shave their heads or stop shaving. Men grow beards or shave beards. Men go bald. If the photo looked pretty much OK, I would let them in. The only other choice would be lock out half the workers.
@gfriend4ever939
@gfriend4ever939 2 года назад
If you don’t mind me asking what is the restrictions with signatures!? I know someone who accidentally put their signature underneath the line, is this important? Is it okay or do you think they should renew the passport?
@radinnazeri6776
@radinnazeri6776 Год назад
Do you know how can i forge a passport?
@JacobStein1960
@JacobStein1960 Год назад
@@radinnazeri6776 Find someone who looks a lot like you and borrow his passport. I think that will work.
@gruvi5
@gruvi5 Год назад
Oke, what abou plastic surgery and botox etc.. This can crush down this system. Many people goes through medical face treatment...
@jayjay3013
@jayjay3013 Год назад
How did you per-sue a career in that profession, did you enjoy it and why did you leave?
@angeld8491
@angeld8491 3 года назад
Who else wants to see if they can find their doppelgänger in that system
@saltyroe3179
@saltyroe3179 3 года назад
US officers are taught to look for features for example: relative location of ears, eyes and nose. The problem is how much time is allowed.
@zerovikings5852
@zerovikings5852 3 года назад
All officers do the same since they take a passport pic that shows face features
@outta10network92
@outta10network92 3 года назад
It looks like they make passports at Dunder-Mifflin.
@VioletInGeneral
@VioletInGeneral 4 года назад
I'm not an expert, but how about thode who had surgery especially in Asain countries? Would their identities be seen as fake?
@zerovikings5852
@zerovikings5852 3 года назад
That’s how wanted criminals travel and they do get caught some times
@user-ly4wt9xp4i
@user-ly4wt9xp4i 3 года назад
Yes I guess... it literally says if you’ve had major changes to your face that’s one reason to get a new passport
@stevenrobinson7722
@stevenrobinson7722 3 года назад
If you’ve had any surgery or reconstructive surgery where your appearance is considerably different from the picture inside the passport then you need new photos to renew the passport and another counter signature to confirm you are who you say you are. Minor alterations by surgery are acceptable and don’t require a renewal.
@Eva92317
@Eva92317 3 года назад
Actually, you can ask the doctor to write you a proof that you are who you say you are. That's what they do in South Korea after people get surgeries and want to go back home or on holiday
@daikonyum3688
@daikonyum3688 4 месяца назад
This is a common issue for South Korea people go and get major surgeries then get declined I don’t exactly remember what happens BUT! I’m pretty sure the plastic surgery clinic issues them a paper or something
@carinewoder1499
@carinewoder1499 4 года назад
Both totally different when standing together but easily be mistaken
@haddingtoniangcp2464
@haddingtoniangcp2464 3 года назад
I was bald in my passport photo but grew my hair. That always confuse immigration officers.
@pamelakennedysztyblewsky2454
@pamelakennedysztyblewsky2454 6 месяцев назад
I used to have hair, now I wear it shaved....you'd think that'd make it easier. These past 3-4 years I've taken to keeping multiple copies of the photo I'd make at the photo booth, so that if the passport gets stolen over and over and over again I have multiples of the SAME photo for the constant replacements.
@chico5286
@chico5286 4 года назад
Even I could tell the 2 ladys faces are so different, particularly the nose.
@musiclover-tf6fu
@musiclover-tf6fu 4 года назад
*And the colour of her eyes❗️*
@azizismail4612
@azizismail4612 4 года назад
Jan Muhammad, for tourist who came to Malaysia, it's no need passport or any travel document, just do like Bangladeshes and Nepalese who came in to Malaysia through the straits of Malacca without a passport or any travel document, about one or two years time stay, you will apply and straight away can get a valid Malaysian passport free of charge.
@leonardgoduni8124
@leonardgoduni8124 4 года назад
Yes but what if she had a nose job, you know 🙉
@nasheribrahim3594
@nasheribrahim3594 4 года назад
A very big different
@minisurfbanana
@minisurfbanana 3 года назад
Of cors its easy for u. You dont look at 1000s of faces every hour!
@jgfakjshfdgkajshd
@jgfakjshfdgkajshd Год назад
It happened to me. I was travelling with another person from Tel Aviv (!) After a check, we swap passports by mistake. I did pass controls with his passport, and he passed controls with my passport. We was not aware about the mistake so our body language was ok and passports was genuine, however, not our passports. We are both same kind of face, but very different weight and height. Funny
@annwithaplan9766
@annwithaplan9766 Год назад
When did you realize what happened? Did you get your passports back?
@jgfakjshfdgkajshd
@jgfakjshfdgkajshd Год назад
@@annwithaplan9766 we were on same trip, very near, almost on parallel lanes. I go out first and I wait for him. I was really not sure about what to do. I understood what happened when I got the passport back Cannot go to the booth and say “this man have my passport” or something similar So, I just wait and he come out without knowing what happened Once we met again, after controls, I told him about the exchange and we swap back the passports
@jgfakjshfdgkajshd
@jgfakjshfdgkajshd Месяц назад
@@rosariogamboa1661if they check, it would be obvious you right. But is not always checked
@rosariogamboa1661
@rosariogamboa1661 Месяц назад
@@jgfakjshfdgkajshd Thank you for letting me know.
@rosariogamboa1661
@rosariogamboa1661 Месяц назад
@@jgfakjshfdgkajshd If some airports also have facial recognition technology, the ones who are using stolen passports will also be arrested when the computer shows that the face of the person using the real owner's passport don't match.
@rossroderickwhitney
@rossroderickwhitney Год назад
The distance between the face and the camera lens is hugely important. And it wasn't even mentioned. So many photos today are selfies, which seemingly distort features because they are taken so close to the face.
@robeldaniel8267
@robeldaniel8267 3 года назад
She had to look different in the passport photo. She was supposed to get enhanced, like she could have used fillers to make her nose look more the same. She had to look different from her real photos and get enhanced to look like the other lady. At the airport she had to look enhanced with fillers and makeup. The trick lacks determination. She didn't try to look different.
@jdaniel3068
@jdaniel3068 Год назад
Aus is likely following US closely with the AI immigration procedures. Customs takes your photo and the AI matches it itself. Facial recognition is also being used on outbound US flights in the boarding areas.
@hootsmon4723
@hootsmon4723 4 года назад
Is the government noting down who.has watched this ...I'm waiting for the door bell to ring.lol
@user-yf9zy2de8q
@user-yf9zy2de8q 3 года назад
People need to keep in mind that identity theft is not a joke. Millions of people suffer from it every year
@MM-tt7hy
@MM-tt7hy 2 года назад
Okay Dwight
@OleJoe
@OleJoe 2 года назад
Here in California you need what is known as a "Real ID" star on your Driver's License which requires proof of citizenship. I had a "Passport Card" used to go to Canada or Mexico. The DMV's scanner rejected it as not a valid document. Had to go home and get my regular passport which passed the scanner. Interestingly enough the passport card and the passport were obtained at the same time from the US Passport Office. They both had the exact same photo and info on them. Glad I wasn't down in TJ trying to get back using the card.
@aheat3036
@aheat3036 Год назад
California is a total mess now!… It’s a sanctuary state run by radical leftist politicians who are hell bent on destroying the U.S.
@aheat3036
@aheat3036 Год назад
California is a total mess now!… It’s a sanctuary state run by radical leftist politicians who are hell bent on destroying the U.S.
@fabianmckenna8197
@fabianmckenna8197 Год назад
In the UK, I had two tries at passport kiosk photos taken which the "computer " rejected. I have grey/white hair which merged perfectly with the background resulting in said computer saying I was not looking straight ahead and my eyes were shut...... reject.... twice! Ended up using a studio with better colour contrast and a slightly darker background which was accepted.
@Itss_okjordannn
@Itss_okjordannn Год назад
Yeah here in India we have something sort of like that, every document that we use to apply for one is sent to the government agencies and is verified after that it gets a green check, print it out and apply
@angelosedacca1940
@angelosedacca1940 11 месяцев назад
The REAL ID star DOES NOT indicate proof of citizenship-merely compliance with the REAL ID ACT. Five States: MI, MN, VT, NY, and WA offer what is called an ENHANCED DRIVER’S LICENSE. This type of license is the equivalent of, and an alternative to, a US Passport Card in that it provides proof of US citizenship. Non-citizens cannot get a passport card or an enhanced license.
@worldview730
@worldview730 8 месяцев назад
10:54, I love that word "Swifty" she used, now I wish I could talk Australian
@joethetraveller2755
@joethetraveller2755 Год назад
Why don't we use fingerprint screening at all airports? All data can be collected UN cloud system. Retina and voice can be used as well.
@KoreanMitch
@KoreanMitch Месяц назад
Seems like a low "error rate." They identified the vast majority correctly.
@Neftegna
@Neftegna 4 года назад
Why are comments disabled on most Australian news channels?
@nick2xopoku386
@nick2xopoku386 4 года назад
I don't get how they do that
@lynnleigha580
@lynnleigha580 2 года назад
I'm glad my looks barely change. A few years ago I had my kindergarten teacher come through my check out and knew exactly who I was and I was in my 30s
@carmencarlton1445
@carmencarlton1445 4 года назад
Wow this is great I hope the world does this as well
@Lvlaple4Ever
@Lvlaple4Ever Год назад
Why is Australia putting so much effort into this lol?
@michellemarek1621
@michellemarek1621 4 года назад
That lady at the beginning doesn’t look anything like the other lady....and use finger prints
@markharrisllb
@markharrisllb Год назад
I wondered about the race question all the way through until it was answered near the end.
@JO-nh6mo
@JO-nh6mo Год назад
Are there no fingerprints stored on Australian passports ?
@franciscobautistaii7413
@franciscobautistaii7413 3 года назад
Eye scan and finger prints and signature in AE... You can't run any where...
@Chlo-ee
@Chlo-ee Год назад
Worst time to be watching this is before bed. I know where my passport is. I dont need it for a very long time but I just need to check 😂
@cronjevandermerwe8864
@cronjevandermerwe8864 3 года назад
I must say. In south africa when u apply for a passport. U take a digital foto at the passport office
@sonyxperiasmk
@sonyxperiasmk 2 года назад
They tried to do introduce this in Germany but every Passport Office has 2-3 Photo stores close by that take the pictures for big bucks. Changing the regulation would have meant a lot of people losing their jobs.
@HelenAMyers
@HelenAMyers 7 месяцев назад
Thank you. Social Security Commissioner. Forensic...Thank you.
@lynnleigha580
@lynnleigha580 2 года назад
Oh yeah, play along, but you must be super quick because we won't wait..
@navugaalice468
@navugaalice468 3 года назад
Passport officer i great you thanks for good job.
@ihabahmed1132
@ihabahmed1132 4 года назад
For me a better way of identification is embedding the finger prints or eyes prints to the passport that simple
@gmunna704
@gmunna704 Год назад
they do already
@daniel11111
@daniel11111 24 дня назад
@@gmunna704I am an Indian national. We still don’t have the biometric chip in our passport. Despite being an IT hub, government services are lagging 20 years behind the rest of the world.
@heighwaya2
@heighwaya2 Год назад
Finger print readers linked to passport is the way to go
@laratatouille6364
@laratatouille6364 4 года назад
Imagine the nightmare with the Kardashians at the airport... No hate intended. True, when I got surgery for my broken nose it came out slightly different and was back to France 2 years after with a heavy American accent: an officer blocked me and I when straight "into the room" for a +20 minutes interrogation. Aha. Maybe he thought I was an American involved in smuggling myself into France 😁
@PrograError
@PrograError Год назад
imagine this flying out of korea in wraps... ( korea is capital for plastics...)
@Whatamachineaustralia
@Whatamachineaustralia 3 года назад
600,000 people per week come into Australian like 6 now
@dan339dan
@dan339dan Год назад
I heard the first few sentences and I thought super matches mean people who look alike to a lot of people🤣
@ThatsJustMyBabyDaddy
@ThatsJustMyBabyDaddy Месяц назад
It's the eye drops for me. 😂 😂
@TokyoHomes
@TokyoHomes Год назад
Why they going through pictures when they can catch with fingerprint.
@gulfupdate
@gulfupdate 3 года назад
My friend had travelled from Kuwait to India on his younger brothers passport with completely different face by mistake and he succeeded to clear all security checks at Kuwait Airport and get caught at Ahmedabad Airport immigration.
@zhiwoo
@zhiwoo 2 года назад
It is typical the receiving country that checks more stringently.
@krunalik1560
@krunalik1560 Год назад
What happened then?
@gulfupdate
@gulfupdate Год назад
@@krunalik1560 nothing.... all cleared, after some legal procedures. almost spent 3000 USD
@dengslacson1
@dengslacson1 Год назад
2022 new passports are different now,...biometrics, finger print & iris scan.
@hannahdivic28
@hannahdivic28 3 года назад
What if someone gets plastic surgery though?
@azimchoudhury4195
@azimchoudhury4195 4 года назад
Put the shackles on
@FlavorTrends
@FlavorTrends 3 года назад
what if someone pays so good to change the database then screw
@rexprangnell6815
@rexprangnell6815 Год назад
Could the face recognition be fooled by holding a photo over your face haha
@surinderjitsingh8954
@surinderjitsingh8954 Год назад
Conclusion- Dr. White wasn't born in Australia
@erikskywalker5331
@erikskywalker5331 Год назад
It's ironic that the people building these sophisticated systems are so concerned with foreigners entering when they themselves are the descendants of foreigners. It's foreign-ception.
@sophia4christ
@sophia4christ 4 года назад
Well in the US and Canada you're also fingerprinted. So, no faking!
@kristof2507
@kristof2507 4 года назад
Surveillance country
@JeanClaudeCOCO
@JeanClaudeCOCO 4 года назад
Gary Christopher Johnson they do in the US.
@sofachatttv4833
@sofachatttv4833 4 года назад
US do not take fingerprints to get a passport
@jpablo700
@jpablo700 4 года назад
I can't talk about Canada but the US does not ask for fingerprints to get a passport. How do I know? I just renewed my third US passport and have never been asked in the past and in the now. Stop spreading nonsense.
@Chilli_-ow6uz
@Chilli_-ow6uz 4 года назад
No fingerprint needed to get a us passport. I know. Because I have one.
@mariosiaven2965
@mariosiaven2965 3 года назад
What happens if the person in the passport picture is wearing sunglasses?
@hellsbells2028
@hellsbells2028 3 года назад
The two women in the beginning are not doppelgangers, the differences are very apparent lol
@elizabethcollins1313
@elizabethcollins1313 4 года назад
In Dubai finger mark and eye's scanned by mashine, I don't know why the hill in UK they haven't done all this strictly check.
@michaeldunham3385
@michaeldunham3385 4 года назад
Because without something to make a comparison with it simply doesn't work
@theusa395
@theusa395 Год назад
How about facial cosmetic surgery? They look 100% different before and after.
@philippinestroppoholic7996
@philippinestroppoholic7996 Год назад
All fine unless you have a good friend in the Passport Office 😏
@pamelakennedysztyblewsky2454
@pamelakennedysztyblewsky2454 6 месяцев назад
Well if you have a good enough friend in the Passport office you could just GET a passport and all this checking would be "pencil-whipped" through.
@babajidealexladegbaye
@babajidealexladegbaye 4 года назад
Good job
@futureforever9960
@futureforever9960 4 года назад
1) I, Future Forever Are Don't Need Passport To Travel, I, Future Forever Are Already Have Finger Prints In The System Already
@kiradotee
@kiradotee 2 года назад
What's the point in wasting time sending the photos to Canberra to see the difference when you can quickly check the fingerprints at the airport and see they don't match.
@sonyxperiasmk
@sonyxperiasmk 2 года назад
"quickly" is the problem here
@estirl7277
@estirl7277 4 года назад
No one needs ur passport anymore haha
@ashleytan422
@ashleytan422 3 года назад
Why dont they take finger prints? Like here in taiwan
@stockmaster6620
@stockmaster6620 4 года назад
Why don't they just use biometric and retina verification?
@peko7446
@peko7446 4 года назад
that's how they do it in Japan
@starr4derek4e24
@starr4derek4e24 3 года назад
Because it's extremely expensive. However in the future with biometrics, this type of fraud will become obsolete
@stockmaster6620
@stockmaster6620 3 года назад
No it's not expensive
@Visiblenightj
@Visiblenightj Год назад
I think they already got biometric passports
@amirahmed651
@amirahmed651 8 месяцев назад
For any man made control system there will always exist someone to escape no matter what
@darshanasawant9611
@darshanasawant9611 3 года назад
Atleast this face recognition is really helpful to us so that no one will missuse our 👧picture
@alexm566
@alexm566 2 года назад
Just put retina fingerprint in a global database, no physical passport needed.
@abubakrmala4553
@abubakrmala4553 3 года назад
I had a problem my face did not look the same to romanian border officials on my passport which is only 2 yrs opd
@johnmutton799
@johnmutton799 4 года назад
Women can look so different with makeup. I new a woman years ago who i always saw out, night life. One day this woman was shouting my name in town in the day, kept hearing someone shout looked around could see no one, so thought she was shouting someone else. Then she grabbed me and then i recognised her voice. She had no makeup. Mind you she was better looking without the mask!
@Tigriss187
@Tigriss187 Год назад
Haha that’s a good one. I have the same problem. Ni one recognises me without the make up😂
@pamelakennedysztyblewsky2454
@pamelakennedysztyblewsky2454 6 месяцев назад
When I was younger I used to wear foundation before having "passport' or ID pictures taken, I don't do it anymore because my acne has more or less cleared up. Thing is my makeup made my face like a whole different shade. (Lighter, of course). So now when people see my "older" IDs they think that's not me. Go figure. It's like, It WAS too me, 20 years ago!
@jovekobalee9066
@jovekobalee9066 4 года назад
It's so simple for anyone to understand if you doing experiment like like to show the weakness or strenth of your country %100has to be positive otherwise it's very weak government
@andreamoscoso4065
@andreamoscoso4065 4 года назад
What about Identical twins etc.
@mamaraah2578
@mamaraah2578 Год назад
Au passports are so expensive. Four children’s passports recently cost us over £500 😱
@malsworld4913
@malsworld4913 Год назад
So what if the person had a nose job done? This is regards to matching the nose 😂😂😂
@duncanhagondi7582
@duncanhagondi7582 4 года назад
Mehn these people are good!!
@spadaacca
@spadaacca 3 года назад
Ahh, good ol' days before AI.
@laraghamian8477
@laraghamian8477 4 года назад
My passport looks so different to how I actually look because it was taken when I was younger
@thekaxmax
@thekaxmax 4 года назад
it doesn't care. :P
@mamaraah2578
@mamaraah2578 2 года назад
How do they cope with babies and kids who obviously change a lot as they get older. My young sons face is a lot slimmer now than it was in his toddler passport pic
@lynnleigha580
@lynnleigha580 2 года назад
But when doing it the old fashioned way, you don't get multiple choice
@luns4081
@luns4081 4 года назад
only face?how about fake name but the same face,whats the case of that
@DCFunBud
@DCFunBud Год назад
Super matchers: "Their whole purpose in life is to catch you out." This maybe their job description, but I doubt this job is "their whole purpose in life." 16:32.
@annwithaplan9766
@annwithaplan9766 Год назад
Right. It would be their whole purpose at their jobs.
@mahammadsattar2399
@mahammadsattar2399 3 года назад
For a moment I thought they were twin
@mahammadsattar2399
@mahammadsattar2399 3 года назад
If a person desperate to do that then if he have right reason to do what he did then u should welcome him in to ur community n ur country
@lroche3262
@lroche3262 3 года назад
What if someone has got cosmetic surgery?
@DrErikEvrard
@DrErikEvrard 9 месяцев назад
All passports have fingerprint data, so how is this still a problem today?
@Trollinskyy
@Trollinskyy Год назад
Ive always wanted to get on the wrong flight on purpose 😂 getting hard now with the biometric reader I’ve seen for international flights at a couple airports but ik it happens. Get a real nice cheap Spirit air ticket to Flint MI and board a flight to Aruba
@crazyt1483
@crazyt1483 Год назад
See I hate the smart gates cos Gatwick tries to funnel me through them but the computer doesn’t like my face since jet lagged me has a even more jet lagged right eye but to be checked manually you need a member of staff to notice that it’s not likening you
@flaviospadavecchia5126
@flaviospadavecchia5126 Месяц назад
Every passport should record fingerprints and they should be scanned at the border, together with facial features. This would make it basically impossible for dopplegangers to go undetected. I dont know why we still dont do it...
@solutionsforabrightfuture3579
@solutionsforabrightfuture3579 7 месяцев назад
Catching fake ids can be learned. The same with passports. I make sure to wear the exact same shirt as my passport photo when I go to the airport. I have unique shaped upper body and I make sure my photo shows that.
@germaineboatwala-sidhva1079
@germaineboatwala-sidhva1079 3 года назад
Interesting video. Highly specialised techs are obviously needed. 😊
@satchelconnor995
@satchelconnor995 4 года назад
The person could of had plastic surgery and so they might not be lying about it being fake
@zezozezon8291
@zezozezon8291 4 года назад
How come all the comments are recent? This video was posted 5 years ago and the oldest comment is a week old lol. Btw I got here from a passport video (everything you need to know about your passport) and I think it was posted a few years ago.
@predator7088
@predator7088 4 года назад
Zezo Zezon idk how i came here,i was watching pubg videos
@sisamusudroka3000
@sisamusudroka3000 4 года назад
News RU-vid channels don't allow comments until years later
@ulsterprodspb
@ulsterprodspb 3 года назад
So what if they where actually the same person and they had a nose and chin job + a face lift could you be fulled.
@hadrian2505
@hadrian2505 2 года назад
Going on 15 years they still didn't catch me.
@erikskywalker5331
@erikskywalker5331 Год назад
lol
@vodoroda9449
@vodoroda9449 Год назад
Hi. where did you make documents of such quality, give a link?
@chaliopardo1578
@chaliopardo1578 3 года назад
Why am l watching this?? Thanks God I don't need to get a fake passport 🙏
@FransceneJK98
@FransceneJK98 3 года назад
Why would you give your secrets away???? If I was a criminal watching this, I’d find a way to bypass Australian authorities
@humanrelashionship940
@humanrelashionship940 Год назад
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ConradKo
@ConradKo 10 месяцев назад
By exposing the trick, more pork barrel for new tricks. More thief more budget for a bigger government. Government rely on crooks not the other way round. Loop holes must and always should be exposed.
@rolandoruiz7659
@rolandoruiz7659 3 года назад
Not to mention the jawlines of both the reporter and the actress is different.
@methlalpallewatta9947
@methlalpallewatta9947 11 месяцев назад
Straight to jail if it doesn't match.
@rajmaity
@rajmaity Год назад
Do u knw nething abt hackers with experience
@alamm.5495
@alamm.5495 3 года назад
They should hire apple for face id verification!
@pammadrid7804
@pammadrid7804 4 года назад
What about fingerprinting?
@Max2coolmayur
@Max2coolmayur 4 года назад
Good point.. But they are fairly easy to manipulate as well.
@balebeal2292
@balebeal2292 3 года назад
This video filmed in 2015 Now technology advance ... sorry for my poor English
@evansnaturechannel1266
@evansnaturechannel1266 4 месяца назад
In the real world people get in countries with no passport .
@isatoudibaga5984
@isatoudibaga5984 3 года назад
What if someone had a surgery???
@alexm566
@alexm566 2 года назад
get a new passport before you travel? unless your surgery itself is abroad
@jonanderson4280
@jonanderson4280 4 года назад
I am not trained and I could easily tell the twins apart
@krunalik1560
@krunalik1560 Год назад
Umm one cud get really good prosthetic and take photos and click passport photos and go to the office in the prosthetic. Real good prosthetic is hard to tell. I work in films so I’ve seen how realistic it can look. But one wud have to travel with prosthetic everywhere which can be risky. Haha
@anwerabdallah569
@anwerabdallah569 Год назад
i dream to have an Australian passport. its avery powerful passport and well respected.
@jonathandjing1065
@jonathandjing1065 4 года назад
I had some problems last time coz when. I renewed my passport 5 years ago I had no beard at all then suddenly I was bushy as heck 😂😂
@mmdaisylover64
@mmdaisylover64 Год назад
So what happens if you have plastic surgery ?
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