Passport vs IC Row | Kalon Gyari Dolma response to Chitue Choedak Gyatso 

Yeah and lol even Lobsang Sangye the ex Sikyong holds American citizenship so what’s wrong in that! 😂

Completely agreed or understand your inconvenience. Manu Tibetan has the same problem when we travel abroad especially those who travel frequently. I believe the green book should be the legit book which distinguishes Tibetan from non Tibetan. The down side of the Passport is if some tibetan do extraordinary in some field he/she will be known as respective nationality not as tibetan in the history like Tenzin Norgay (tibetan but globally known as Nepali or Indian) lots of extraordinary young tibetans coming up in the west sadly they will never be called as Tibetan. Chinese are using passports as a tool to claim that some influential Tibetans abroad are not Tibetan because of having a US / EU passport, technically right. Those Tibetans who really need a passport should apply but not everyone. just my view.

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Frankly, I don't believe that Tibetan immigrants and their descendants in India are treated as fairly as other Indians (who are also subject to local government bureaucracy). Young Tibetans, born in Tibetan settlements, no one has the right to stop you from contacting the authorities to apply for a birth certificate and Indian citizenship. But apart from your parents' dislike and your own wishes, THE GOVERNMENT OF INDIA is a very big problem. For the past 70 years, the Indian Constitution has provided that refugees are protected and assisted in Indian territory; and the Supreme Court of India has always strived for this. However, for various political reasons, Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru resolutely refused to accede to the 1951 United Nations Convention and then the 1967 Additional Protocol, relating to the status of refugees. . Similarly, over the past 70 years, up to now, the elected government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi has not been enthusiastic and treated the refugee community warmly. Currently, the United Nations has 146 countries participating in the 1951 Convention and 147 countries participating in the 1967 Protocol, out of a total of 193 member countries and 204 countries on Earth; But there is no India. And this United Nations agreement is the only HOPE for nationality registration and basic procedures for refugees to work and live normally in their country of residence (except for the Constitution of that country). In 2019, the Narendra Modi government passed the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA), which promised a potential path to Indian citizenship for refugees, but in reality was based on religion and their nationality, except Muslims and minorities from Myanmar, and progress is extremely slow...to the point that NOTHING CHANGES!!! I'm not sure why your Parents fled with the Dalai Lama, but the truth is that when you left Tibet, to preserve the language and Buddhism, you confronted Communist China - a government which India ALWAYS WANT TO COMPROMISE. I feel sorry for the plight of young Tibetans, put in a difficult position (due to your Parents' decisions), but LUCKY the Dalai Lama has established the Tibetan Government in Exile (CTA), and continuously attract the attention of the Western World, about Tibetan culture and Buddhism, so that the World develops, cares and funds to maintain the welfare of the community. Tibetan refugee community and allowed to open representative offices in the United States, Australia, Canada, Switzerland, etc. and INCREASE OPPORTUNITIES to migrate and live in those countries, for Tibetans in India. I am sure that, during the 70 years of refugees, Tibetan friends in Indian settlements have never been the focus of Western people's attention and help. More precisely, the Dalai Lama and Buddhism along with the suffering and oppression of about 3 million Tibetans are trapped by the Chinese government's policy of destroying Tibetan culture and Buddhism. I also believe that the operating costs of the Tibetan government in exile (CTA) have always come from the United States and Western countries, along with the Tibetan diaspora that has migrated there and the monetary contributions of Tibetans in India is very small!!! So let's look at the whole story. When the Chinese government does not like you and the Indian government does not like refugees, the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan government in exile opened many representative offices in the West, and many Western citizens and The Dalai Lama wants to preserve Buddhism and the Tibetan language, the MOST REASONABLE THING that young Tibetans should consider is: - In the long term, India is not a suitable place for you to apply for citizenship and live permanently. I can be sure that your child will face great difficulties when applying for Indian citizenship. - America, Australia, Canada, Switzerland...etc are better countries for your job and your children's future. And in terms of helping Tibet, you have more resources and resources to SUPPORT the Tibetan government in exile (CTA) than in India.

In any case, your Parents believe that fleeing the Chinese Communist Party is better for personal security and the freedom to practice Buddhism. As a child, you had to live in India, even if you wanted to return to China, and the Indian government did not consider you an Indian child. The precarious little government you rely on is just that: CTA I have heard praise for the economic development and modernization of the Tibetan people with the help of China. But actually it is a very normal thing, if you look at Bhutan or Bangladesh, the Dalai Lama's government will be much smarter and wiser than the Bhutanese king. And it is a tragedy that the Tibetan people cannot enjoy modern life and religious freedom, as the Bhutanese experience, because of the Chinese Army invasion - something the Bhutanese government is also concerned about. Anyway, China has closed the border, Tibetans cannot cross the border and you cannot return to China. The Indian government, despite YEARS OF PUBLIC VIOLATIONS of the Constitution and the Courts, has not granted Indian citizenship to ALL REFUGEE COMMUNITIES: Afghanistan, Myanmar and Tibet. It's a sad political story but life rarely comes with a free lunch, and the plight of the Tibetan people remains most hopeful, with the help of the Dalai Lama and the CTA. In any case, be wary of the Indian government's propaganda on the refugee narrative and determine that migrating to the West is best for you and your children, and better for your health. Voluntary support with the Tibetan Government in Exile (CTA) preserves the Tibetan language and Buddhism! And if Mom, Dad and you want a life of prosperity and comfort, with more hope than other refugee communities, such as Myanmar, then connecting with CTA is important! The Indian government almost considers Tibetans to be on the margins of society, don't rush to compare yourself with the Indian people!!! On December 22, 2010, the Delhi High Court issued its decision in Namgyal Dolkar v. Ministry of External Affairs. The court ruled that Ms. Dolkar was indeed a citizen under the Indian Constitution, which states that individuals born in India between January 26, 1950 and July 1, 1987 are Indian citizen. In August 2013, in the case of Tenzin Choephag Ling Rinpoche v. Union of India, he was born in Dharamsala in 1985 and was denied a passport by the Regional Passport Office with the highest opinion of the Ministry of Home Affairs. The Karnataka High Court intervened and ruled that: Tenzin Choephag Ling Rinpoche, is a LEGAL INDIAN CITIZEN. On 13 May 2016, Lobsang Wangyal, who was born in India in 1970 and thus qualified for birthright citizenship under the Citizenship Act, sued the Indian government for refusing to grant Indian. The Constitution and the Courts affirm that: Tibetans born in India between January 26, 1950 and July 1, 1987, regardless of ethnic origin, are legal citizens of India. and their future descendants are also automatically legal Indian citizens. Despite these decisions of the Supreme Court, the policy of the Government of India remains unchanged. Very few Tibetans have been able to obtain Indian citizenship and most remain ineligible for citizenship, and are ALWAYS considered foreigners and stateless.

U may call ur self American with just one book. But u still face lots of discrimination just with the looks of asian .

Do you know what sort of terms and condition China might apply via (if and only if) agreeing to our "MIDDLE WAY APPROACH" ?one of them could be, That you and these other country passport holders stay the F$$K out of Tibet since ur of that other country citizen. What if these are applied to our Tibetan government by China? What becomes of you then? now these have lotta advantages to china because all that will head home to Tibet mostly be older generation because they had hope and sticked to it. Unlike fresh ones like you who wanted to ignore the identity certificate(IC) and not hold on to it. Eventually the older ones will go without trace. And thus making China win again. If you want u can release ic but don't spread misinformation here. Bhungu. Rc, ic and green book.... All three is NEEDED AND PRESERVED.

I m good with green book, i don't wanna count to be indian. Refugee and tibetan forever

Well said brotha 👌

Gyari dolma is good decision 👍

Dear Pema, you are right, but the issue of a restored independent Tibetan state will be very complicated and long-lasting. An Indian passport does not make someone less Tibetan. Tibetans from Ladakh with Indian passport are no worse than those Tibetans from Dharamshala. Don't forget that someone from Zanskar can be a Muslim and even move to Pakistan, but he can still be a Tibetan in his heart. ❤❤

Tell this to Namgyal dolkar

U r absoluetely rite bro ,, whatever we hold .. our root for tibetan will never diminish .. we have green book to identity to prove as tibetan as well !! IC s just for travel process nothin else

Exactly 💯👍

That's the best comment. Very well explained.

What benefit is there with ic? As u said just don’t enjoy dual benefits?

Exactly true

Listen to her properly and then come and comment here. That Chitue said it’s wrong to get Indian passport rather than Kalon Gyari Dolma la. She said she don’t see anything wrong in doing so and she appreciated those who can stay without sacrificing RC or IC.

@@TD600listen carefully what she is saying. She is saying being refugee is something we should be proud of. You agree with this? If she is proud of being refugee. Then why all her families are US citizen, and Indian citizen herself?

That's true .

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I believe it is close minded not open

American Tibetan here too, fully agree. Bhoe Gyalo

She is langdharma daughter. Her mom is golddigger . No one in dhasa like her. She just do things for the camera

work your way up

He needs to pronounce IC 1st or just stick to དེབ་གསེར་པོ་།།

Give right answer from your side if you can

What about you 😂😂😂😂