What Robert Morris did was abhorrent, but the fact that her parents allowed this to be swept under the rug was worse. They were responsible for protecting and defending their daughter, but they failed at both. They chose to remain in good standing with their church community at the expense of their daughter's dignity.
@@LareinaJE I absolutely agree with you. They allowed this to be kept secret!!! Her own parents!!!! They should be ashamed of themselves ‼️‼️‼️. Can you imagine how she must feel. They sacrificed her for his position in the church. This blows my mind. This went on for 4 years. 12-17. Unbelievable. The church leaders as her parents should be held accountable ‼️‼️‼️
Robert Morris is not sorry for what he did to her, he's sorry that he got caught. Base on that phone call he never acknowledged or apologize for the hurt and pain he cause her. You can see the narcissistic in him when she talk about what she lose he start talking about what he lose. What he need to and don't understand is that everything he went through was due to his action as an adult that he had full control over. Everything she went through and is still dealing with is due to his actions that she had no control over he cause the situation she did not.
This is why I don't trust ANYONE in "ministry." The assistant pastor of the church I attended had an affair with my now ex-wife for 5 years. I was busy working full-time and going to school while helping her to go through medical school. That kept me so busy I didn't notice anything. But when I started questioning their relationship they both started a heavy dose of gaslighting me. And when I stopped taking the psychological medication for bipolar disorder...they told me I was bipolar...she quickly divorced me. I lost everything, my children, I was left homeless and was kicked out of the church. No one helped me. The whole affair became public in the church about a year after the divorce. Even the music minister was involved helping to set up their hotel rendezvous. Everyone rallied around the assistant pastor's wife and began the process of "restoring" him. But no one came to support or help me in any way. Not even so much as a "we're sorry." I had lost everything. I have two children who don't know the truth and will not talk to me even after 25 years. This is why I will never trust someone who is in ministry again...especially after their performance with the covid debacle. Preachers were all cowards and ran, using Romans 13 for a smokescreen for their cowardice. I am done with man made American "Christianity." I long to fellowship with believers who are under persecution in China, Burma and India.
Wow! Well, I am sorry you went through all of this. I went through some church hurt no where close to what you went through. It takes a long time to heal from such trauma but I hope you’re on the up and up. The worst part is how the church to respond to the “real” victims.
Who can discern their own errors? Forgive my hidden faults. Keep your servant also from willful sins; may they not rule over me.Then I will be blameless, innocent of great transgression. Psalm 19:12
Most of us knew when he Recently said it was a Young lady, that's lying, covering. Anyway back to where more people started. For those saying she wanted money maybe, maybe not. Based on the conversations between them, You can tell she is still struggling/working through the issue. I am a survivor of molestation and 30yrs doesn't wipe away the deed and especially what Ms. Cindy had/has to work through. This goes to show how egregious SA is, the after effects are mostly for a lifetime.
Had she not recently told publicly it would have continued to be swept under the rug. From the age of 19 I believe I heard in an interview, Cindy and her family have on countless times gone to Morris, other pastors and elders and spoke about the truth of what happened to her. This because these churches were bringing Morris in as a guest speaker, etc, and none of them did anything to bring this truth to light. There are "many" along the way that should have brought this sin/crime into the light, but they didn't. Can you put an amount of money of 44 years of enduring what happened to her and witnessing a man that for all intensive purposes seems to be basking in the limelight of being a Godly man? 2 million if she even gets that is a small price to pay imho. Repentance should look like Morris taking responsibility for his actions of abusing a 12 yr old child and making monetary restoration to her for his crime; being that he is not able to be charged criminally.
@@CandidConversationswithKrista in my state of Indiana. If you KNOW OF AN ABUSE OF A CHILD. AND DO NOT TELL SOMEONE TO HELP THAT CHILD. YOU ARE JUST AS GUILTY. AND CAN BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED
@@CandidConversationswithKrista what absolutely kills me is that her own parents did nothing about this let it get swept under the rug all for his position in the church. This is absolutely horrible ‼️‼️‼️‼️. THIS WENT ON FOR 4. YEARS. 4. This was not a one time thing. THIS WENT ON FOR 4 years ‼️
@@maryperrysmith5815 I'm pretty sure that her parents regret not having gone to the police back then. Instead they choose to go the biblical route and that route put Morris right back where he should never have gone back to. After listening to Cindy's interview yesterday on CBN, she mentioned how often her and her family went to other pastors and elders from the age of 19 onward. I don't know all the answers but I'm pretty sure her parents regret that decision as Cindy mentioned her dad was a very present and loving father.
@@maryperrysmith5815 Right. I think that is the case in most places, not sure though. All I know is the statute of limitations is up in this case and criminal charges can't be made.
@@CandidConversationswithKrista I have to come forward. This kind of thing happened in my family with my adopted dad. He sexually abused my older sister. He came clean when she was 12 cause he thought she was pregnant it started when she was 8. 8. It ruined our family. To this day. My mom shot him she lost her nursing license because of that he went to Florida prison 10 years. But it ruined my mom my life my two older sisters lives. We became a mess. My mom hated her own daughter because of what happened. She made her life a living hell for sleeping with her husband. It was hell. By 15. My mom let her leave home married some sailor man. At 15!!!! Just to get rid of her!!! My sis and I things were not any better if we even talked to a guy my mom accused of of sleeping with him. My sis left at 16. I ran away till state intervention. The physical abuse I couldn’t handle. My mom was a mess. It ruined us as a family. I went to live in children’s home. I was better off and you know that was bad but. Now I made it. Alone. Have 3 great sons two graduated from Purdue. One about to retire Air Force. And I adopted my niece then 3 year old daughter who now is 24. I made it through all the chaos. But this story just hit so close to home I didn’t talk to my mom for I don’t know how many years 30-40 I’m 69 now I never let her know my kids my kids don’t know all this never wanted them to see this part of life. I’m ok. They are ok I did fine.
Tony Evans lied about telling his family what it was that he stepped down for that’s obvious when his son preached saying he didn’t know what it was so that’s that 🙄I don’t think Tony has truly repented either
@@FaithandPurpose828She's probably not a pastor. They are held to a higher standard and MUST be above reproach according to the Bible. Just being fair.
I agree. When someone is truly contrite, they let it all out. In his case, as an elder, scripture says he needs to be rebuked publicly (1st Timothy 5:20).
@@Joankc119 One of my favorite pastor Bob Coy founder of Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale did the same thing sort of he counseled a young girl and ended up abusing her for years. He stepped down and his church wiped everything he had ever done.
That’s why your brother Vance has been flown around the Country to speak at Church’s to share my testimony on Repentance after I got clean from addiction, even calling out my sexual sins I committed for yrs. I give God praise for the Apostle Paul “Saul” calling his old self out
Nearly 70% of child sex offenders have between 1 and 9 victims…at least 20% have 10 to 40 victims. An average serial child molester may have as many as 400 victims in his lifetime. Mr. Morris did not repent. He got caught, lied about it and threatened Cindy of she spoke out. "For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience leads us away from sin and results in salvation. There’s no regret for that kind of sorrow. But worldly sorrow, which lacks repentance, results in spiritual death." 2 Corinthians 7:10
@carriemccurley-th8gn, there has to be a first before there can be a second or third. I haven’t seen any evidence that he’s a serial child predator as you claim.
@@whiskeredtuna He already admitted to it. I'm not claiming, I'm showing research on what statistics show. Do you really think a man who did this to a child for 4 years and lies for decades about it has only one victim? Do you know how much lying he had to do just to commit these heinous acts for that long? He also shares in his sermons that he had multiple affairs. SMH.
@@FaithandPurpose828Scripture commands that an Elder’s sin should be rebuked publicly. You may argue he was not continually sinning but the fact that he hid it for long means he was “sinning” every single day.
@@CookieCoCo_OGActually, only Elder’s sins are to be made public (1st Timothy 5:20). All others are commanded to confess their sins to each other (James 5:16) 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He clearly did not repent if people followed his actions from the first time he committed the act to recently, when he was “forced” to resign. Those who are bewildered are the ones who are having accepting that the great Robert Morris is a child molester.
Right because it's been years for me. Thankfully I am not easily triggered but I come to spaces like these because I realize that survivors are always revictimized when these situations are brought to light. Your daughter is blessed to have you, thank you. Only mom knows and I am 47yrs old. I cannot tell my dad because of the circumstances. Coming from a village I don't want my dad to suffer. It's a long story,
I agree it appears he wasn't repentance. He was forced to step down and didn't do so on his own. Cindy was right if she hadn't said anything nothing would of happened to him. Then he tried to compare his pain to her pain, as if. He was being petty going back and forth with her. The church members who knew as well as his wife should have been let go. But instead they renamed the church and he came back as the head of it. Smh 😡😡😡
1st am weary of Pastors that mix politics with their church. Morris was a huge supporter and advisor to the former president. I'm starting to see why so many of these Evangelicals are willing to look past the former Presidents unrepentant sexual misconduct. Because they are making excuses for their own.
If Cindy or her dad had reported this to the police back when she told her dad. RM would be behind bars. I just don’t understand all this and I think there is lots more to the story. God Bless all who are involved!😂
First of all, not sure why there’s a laughing emoji about a story on child molestation. People usually say “there’s gotta be more to this story” when they want to be willingly ignorant.
No he wouldn’t, it was virtually impossible to get justice back then, it still is when there is no physical evidence. Church members are TAUGHT to take problems to the church and not to trust outside institutions.
Evidently not because she never followed thru with collecting an amount of money. She could have sued Morris way before now and been awarded much more than two million.
Even the Bible requires a "Bride Price" when a man messes over a female, like that. Nothing wrong with her asking him for compensation for her loss. She was wronged. That's the least he could do. She never turned him in. It could have been much worse for him. Show both justice and mercy. Ugh!
Looks like her Father did not help other than confront the minister. I wonder if there are more youngsters, young woman who may have had the laying on of hands by the Reverend Morris?
There is something off about this whole situation. Morris is history but shouldn’t this have happened when the parents found out. Why would they not go after him? How could her father not settle this immediately? Would 2 million really fix her brokenness. What can fix all of those members of Gateway who have invested their lives in this man’s ministry now that it has been revealed that he was once a child molester? Why did they wait so long to expose this man? As sick and twisted as this is there’s something else that isn’t being revealed yet. Lord have mercy.
@@petefults5984stop saying and posting this comment ! You obviously have no clue what happens in the mind of a child who has been groomed by a cult for abuse!!!!! Shame on you! And shame on the OP Could the reason it is now revealed is because god is not mocked he has not repented the lord is humbling this man and because he has spent decades fleecing the sheep and lying on his and preaching a false twisted gospel??? Why do people forget that the lord is watching?
@@sebastiansingh5167 I dont have a 12000 member Church. I am not a Pastor that has to submit to the prerequisite of Scripture. I dont have people all over the World looking to me for the answer. Before you jump the gun any more my statement was that Evans dont say what it because the Church people would tear him apart. I am a member of OCBF. So if you live in Dallas and attend service I'll be at 2nd service tomorrow and if you still want to talk sharp to me dont do it on here ill see you tomorrow. Have that same energy.
Important to call out that not only his hiding and lying behind the term “young lady,” for a child! But also calling rape an “inappropriate relationship.” Not a relationship! It’s rape! Why won’t you call this out?
So what are your thoughts on those who aren’t those things, and have been accused or went to jail based on a lie? It happens often. So now they have that hanging over their heads when it’s not who they are. So are they supposed to just “own” that?
@@Blankuser_ I think you meant "rarely happen" What happened to Joseph with Potiphers wife in Egypt is more common than you think. Google "the Innocence Project"
Could you clarify for me when/where he said "how much to shut you up little girl ?", because I apparently missed that. If that is just a phrase designed to garner views, then it is inappropriate. Inflaming a situation for gain is not christ like.
The deceiver is a two edged sword distracting us from gods word and if we continue to listen to all the gossip out there we’ll have no time with the word of god.i have this for those who didn’t read it-2nd Thessalonians 2-11-for he shall send strong delusion those who fall for it will be damned all these things will happen and its all distractions from gods words those who fail to listen gods words will only find out when it’s too late.we should know about it but not dwell on it cause it distracts us from the word of god
Morris was wrong in what he did. The girls parents was wrong for not calling the police when they found out. The young lady is now wrong because she is wanting money or she will have him charged, which is a form of blackmail.
Did she say she'd charge him if he doesn't give her money? Her lawyer can't be privy if that's the case because he'd lose his license. It also makes no sense given she filed suit. She wouldn't need to threaten blackmail
And this whole situation shows what you recently said Corey about ministers being restored to ministry is wrong. In a recent video, you claimed that pastors with grievous sins can be restored to ministry. Whilst misusing the verses by Paul about the qualifications of leaders and elders. Scripture is clear. Certain sins that bring discredit to non believers disqualify men from serving as leaders, pastors and elders for life. And not only this, this Robert Morris situation shows another aspect. That when men have certain grievous sins, they can't be ever trusted if they have fully repented. You don't know if these particular serious sins can resurface later. The Bible is clear. Certain sins disqualify for life. And you were wrong in that video Corey.
@@tomy8339 perhaps you didn’t hear what I said or you misunderstood. I never said that all can nor should be restored. You however are incorrect. There is no passage that list certain sins as disqualifying. , or that a person is disqualified for life.
@@smartchristians Corey, with all due respect. When Paul says that leaders and elders are to have a good reputation with outside and above reproach, that clearly implies that some sins disqualify for life. A former paediphile can never be a leader in the church. There are sins that are common in all of us that no one ever expects a pastor never to have committed. If you've gotten drunk, taken illicit drugs, lost your temper, lied, stolen etc, none of these disqualify as "above reproach", because everyone has committed some of these. But if you're a convicted rapist, domestic violence abuser etc, you never should be a leader. The fact that this Morris scandal has resurfaced decades later is proof of the wisdom and veracity of the scriptures teaching on this matter.
@@tomy8339I agree. Even if Paul did not outright say it, it is implied. I could never trust Robert to be around my daughter even if he said he repented.
So it's a money thing now ? So money would make you feel better , be able to buy things, wow ,no spiritual healing ,just more trips, better cars ,bigger house ,fat bank account ,wow very shallow
I've seen this read on every single Christian RU-vid channel I watch. Thank God that my sins are covered by the Blood of my Savior Jesus Christ!! Imagine if all of our sins are shown to the world instead of His covering. 😢
@@gayleday861 oh yes I agree that this person's Ill needs to be dealt with. My comment is about my own sin and how grateful I am that I have God's grace and mercy and that when I am judged at my time, because of the work of Jesus my sins are covered into eternity. There are so many different opinions about this situation, and how it should be dealt with which is interesting because we are all one body. But that goes to so many differences we have within the body regarding what God says in His Word. I'm just dealing with me. You judge in whichever way you want.
For one thing, Cindy said there was not a phone call. This paper saying a phone call was transferred into a document is not evidence, s0 why make a video to say a statement about something that's heresay? This has gotten rediculious. If he was abusing her for over 4 years, why did she keep sneaking into his room?
@@petefults5984, I hope you’re not victim blaming here (‘she kept sneaking into his room’) She was 12 years old when he first assaulted her. Let that sink in - 12 years old. As a pedophile, he groomed her, and most likely threatened her in a myriad of ways should she divulge the abuse. He was apparently a trusted friend of her parents and ‘a man of God.’ She was 12… There’s only one guilty party here: Morris. To even insinuate that the victim voluntarily subjected herself to this ongoing abuse is very misguided.
Do you not understand what a predator is? They prey on the venerable, and they manipulate their victim. He actually said it in his speech that he did years ago. Please watch & listen. He actually tells you how he had operated, but we now know it was not a 'lady' it was a vulnerable 'child'.
Assuming that she went into his room? Logically speaking he was married and the couple stayed at Cindy’s family’s house. To me that suggests RM went to Cindy and seduced her because he’s a child molester who committed a criminal offense. Blaming the victim is not healthy. I hope that you can learn from this exposure to see and understand. This way of thinking that a victim is to blame is why it took years for Cindy to come forward and when she did she was shut down by many church leaders. It’s been a long journey and there will be more that will come to light. I only hope that you’re ready to receive the truth and become part of the solution and not hide behind corruption.
Based on your post, you sound like one of those who find it hard to accept Robert is a child molester who attempted to hide his sins for decades. You then upped the ante by blaming a 12 year old instead of a man. The power differential is huge between the two. He could simply asked her to come to him at a certain time. You’re disgusting.
@carlmorgan8452 oh yeah, a gossipper and a busy body easily recognizes gossip, no matter how it's spun. This "religious" channel feeds my gossipy and worldly sides. Thankfully, the gossiper of this channel knows that and creates this kind of content for me to be entertained by. More pictures of the people discussed would make it more controversial. Thanks again!
I agreed with your last video on Morris. But now there is this. Really? Christians should realise that God is going to apply the same measure of judgement to them. You REALLY want Morris to pay for his crime. Repentence simply means not doing it again. In Matt 21:28, the son who says the wrong thing but does the right thing is commended. If he regrets what he did and he has not abused anyone since. He has repented. I have no daughter, maybe that's why. But then again, must I experience something to comment on it?
First : Robert Didn't lie like he is accused of. If you look up the definition of young lady it's defined as girl. Second :he did repent and took two years off to get his heart straight. We know he repented because the definition of repentance is to turn away and never do it again. After 35 years we have proof. Thirdly. The real issue isn't with Robert. While he sin was extremely bad it was no worse than King David's sin and God forgave him The real heartbreak is that Christians are refusing to forgive Robert like God has. Fourth Cindy is not a girl anymore now she is 50 years old and suddenly this looks more like blackmail than reparations because if she hasn't dealt with it by now the money won't make any difference. I will agree those around Robert did not counsel him well in how to handle it. Both then and now. If originally all she wanted was $50,000 ( only what I have heard) in blackmail then he should have given it to her. Now she will get millions.
@@michaelarmenta8289 God did Forgive David for killing Uriah but he still had to pay for the consequences of his sin. In this case I don't disagree. But when your own family turns on you.(the body of christ) it feels like and looks like betrayal. Jesus knows all about that doesn't he? American Christians would rather crucify than forgive and feel justified in doing so. But from God's point of view it's more like hypocrisy.
@@SkeeterDunn Hypocrisy? Matthew 7 teaches on hypocrisy. It means someone pretending like an actor, so RM pretended for 4 plus years while pastoring a church ( shepherd ) and married . 41/2 years of scheming and lying and protecting his own ego and reputation , now that's hypocrisy. You said RM didn't lie, do you think the motives of his heart were godly when he said all of this? It's actually what he didn't say and it is his own words that are judging him now. Christians are angry over not just this incident, but countless more all of whom were pastors.
Repentance is, or should be, between you and your Lord. Who knows if this has haunted him over the yrs.? To show repentance is to go and sin no more. Has there been any other young ladies come forth? Why did she wait so long to broadcast this? Who knows what suffering another goes through? Who can say and why are so many ready and willing to judge others? No one but the two involved and God will know all the facts and until we do maybe judgement should be in the Lord's hands. Is forgiveness no longer found, or practiced? Again let those with no sin be the judge. If one has to be totally blameless, sin free, whatever, then no one is qualified. We have all sinned and fallen short. Dirt will keep coming out on others, Should we judge another because ours hasn't been revealed yet? If God can talk through a jackass, He can speak through anyone. Besides aren't we told to trust no man, or woman. Our trust should be in the Bible, or the Word of God. Want a word from God, go read it.
Actually, based on the fact that he tried to hide molesting a 12 year old by saying young lady for all these years is proof that he did not repent. He only resigned when she made everything public.
While I don’t condone Morris’ actions nor defend him, I suspected though when the story recently came to light, that by the lady bringing it to look light, again, after 30+ years, had a motive, likely financial, other than simply exposing Morris.
Corey, I love you my brother and grateful for your ministry. However, arent you doing the same thing Sakio did to you by reading over your transcripts, and saying how uou werent repentant? just dont see the point my brother.
The women wanted $2 million, which is the only reason we know about this because she didn’t get it. If this is such a horrible act and has affected your life so negatively, why would you take it to the public for millions to see? It’s emotionally devastating to live with, and yet the best course of action was to take it to the public after wanting $2 million and not getting it. What she should have said was money won't make this right, Im not interested in money. I want a public apology. It was over 40 years ago and if he didn't do this to anyone else, then I would say move on.
This is problem with sexual abuse. No one knows whether he did it to anyone else. Secondly, it is always assumed that a child will outgrow the trauma only to have it rise later in life in some form or relationship. Why should this woman overlook her trauma or move on? Some people can not move on because the damage is done and etched. Perhaps, the Reverend Morris's brand of Christianity is really not Christ's brand. What she saying is I am living my truth and it is living in . . . .; the Reverend's truth, who knows?
I’m so tired of everyone saying RM did not repent. God is the only one that knows the true answer to that. Judge not!! If it’s true that Cindy ask for $200,000. I call that blackmail. I also think that news people had rather report on bad things than good things! , which is a Shame!!
I call what Morris did to a 12 year old girl PURE EVIL! I also call it multiple FELONY S@XUAL ASSAULTS of a CHILD over several YEARS! If any other man would have to go to PRISON for multiple FELONIES, why should Morris skate without paying any penalty for his CRIMES! And, blaming the VICTIM is sadly all too common! By the way, the verse you referenced is frequently misquoted, as you did. John 7:24 actually says to “JUDGE WITH RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT.” ✝️✝️✝️
You really go hard on Morris, and rightly so. However you didn't apply the same standard of repentance to your buddy Tony Evans. Why is that? I don't believe he was truly repentant, his pride and whatever status he thinks he has, would not let him truly confess his wrong doing. That's hypocritical of you.
@smartchristians No, I don't know. What I do know is his pride and his status won't let him truly repent. You repented, you don't just say you stole, you truly repented and confessed what exactly it was that you did. You know what I'm trying to say and what I mean, don't play dumb.
@@michaelarmenta8289 the wise and godly thing to do is just to wait until his reasons come out. If we never find out then so be it. But right now we don’t have much of a basis to judge him
We don't have all the facts about what Tony Evans has gone through or did or didn't do. That makes a big difference. It looked like Robert Morris is pulling a Donald Trump and trying to pay somebody hush money. That's a huge difference.
You who are without sin cast the first stone. Robert Moore repented and confessed his sin and God has forgiven him but not people like you!!!! This happened some 30 years ago!!! Check your own life first before throwing stones at others!!!😮
This is one of the most misused scripture in the Bible. I’m willing to bet that those who use that scripture to excuse sins are the ones who are always ready to condemn non-believers. Here’s a scripture that addresses both issues: 1st Corinthians 5:12 “What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside”. Did you catch that? We absolutely MUST judge each other’s actions. On the other hand, outsiders do in their private lives is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. I’m a Christian btw.
He 100% repented. She was jealous of his success and wants money this is called blackmail! 100% repented means you turn away from your sin and don't do it again. That is exactly what he did. If he is not very wealthy and successful she would never call him. If he would have given her the 2 million at the time of this call would we be having this conversation? Only unless she wanted to blackmail him more for more.
No! Not blackmail. He wronged her and took her innocence. She could have done far more to him. She never turned him in. But he owed a "Bride Price" for what he did to her. That was the least that he could do. He never went to jail and he's not on a registry list. Come on, now. Where's our sense of justice and mercy?
He did not repent. He kept this silent for more than two decades while continuing to make himself rich at the expense of gullible church members, and only mdke a statement AFTER his sins were exposed. It's PR and damage control, not repentance.
