No matter how rich someone is, they probably won’t enjoy getting shafted. If I charged a billionaire a million bucks for a Prius, and they thought they were getting Bugatti levels of quality, I think they’d have a problem
@@rudiausbuddeln If a rich person wanted to spend their money wisely, they probably wouldn't be dropping tens of thousands of dollars on a cumbersome way to tell the time. Also, a bit rude, no?
@@kart182 True, but I think a lot of it has to do with perception of value. The Prius analogy actually somewhat works for Louis Vuitton bags, which are thousands of dollars for what amounts to a PVC and brass handbag. I think there are many people who care more about feeling rich and demonstrating wealth than they do about what it is they're shelling out money for. I.e., so long as the Prius has a designer hood ornament, people will buy it.
It will never be in my price range but nor is the Mona Lisa or a brand new Rolls-Royce Phantom , but that has never stopped me from appreciating their existence as an object to look upon. Glad they are now 39mm. A friend of the family owns the older Calatrava, i think 33mm and my dad who isn't a watch person, who probably thinks Blancpain is something you need medication for and Bell & Ross is a comedy duo was asked how much do you think it cost, nearly had a heart attack when told.
@@derlachendevagabund7942 Second hand market is the only way i'm getting my hands on one. For 8k, it might even be tempting. My lust is for a Rolex Explorer in a couple of years.
In my opinion, PPs are not exactly Rolls Royce equivalents. In fact, many Rolex and Omega models are much better timepieces than PPs -without being Rolls Royce equivalents either. And yes, all of them are getting overpriced due to fashion trends, mostly all PPs.
Personally I like the style Jaeger-LeCoultre's Reverso watches more, but if I could afford a $20.000-$30.000 watch I'd probably buy a Vacheron instead of Patek only because of personal taste. Patek's are definitely high-quality but like all things first due your homework and know what you're getting your self into.
Great video. I’m definitely buying a Patek 5231G when I reach a financial goal that I have in mind. But I love watches and you’re right if you don’t have that much appreciation for watches or the budget you could buy a Grand Seiko and be just as happy or if that is out of your budget you could buy an Orient and be thrilled. One of my favorite watches is a diver from micro brand called Lorier (which sell out fast) because it has a look of 1960s Omega and Rolex which remind me of the watch in Goldfinger. Watches I feel are a very personal thing.
Both Antoni Patek and Franciszek Czapek were Polish immigrants. They started many years earlier in Geneva. Later in 1851 they "connected" bussiness with Adrien Philippe.
I got my Calatrava in the late 80's when they ran around $3,500 [manual model]. Now that I've got 4 kids [now all adults] I don't think I'd spring for another one. Granted, mine looks like the new ones so I am a happy owner!
I did see a Breguet and a Lange in a vintage watch shop which were both far nicer on the wrist which, when combined, cost less than the Patek Philippe Calatrava that was present.
I like your channel, super informative so thank you for that. But.. if you could change your background drums and sax jingle for something less annoying 😄 that would be great! Maybe its just me but after a while I cant seem to focus on what youre saying anymore because of the repetitive, monotonous drumming. I would watch way more if it wasnt for that nuisance. For the all the rest; keep up the good work!
Worthiness is not only about the price you pay now. It's also about long-term price appreciation or at least price retention. If you buy a thing that can physically use, feel proud of, and sell at profit (normally but not always in some period of time), why not?
Hi, can you guys do a video on Peter Christian clothing? They are a British brand and expensive and I like how they look and was wondering if they are good quality and worth buying. They have a USA website. Thanks!
I saw the new 6119r. Beautiful, but 30.000+$ for a watch with hours, minutes and small seconds?? There are better choices at that money. Maybe an older annual calendar 5146 second hand.
Guess I’m too old school. One does not wear a timepiece with black tie. The importance of a black tie occasion supersedes any concern for time (unless of course you are a maitre d, in which case you are probably not looking to buy a Patek).
Not really sure about this watch -or any other PP, as a matter of fact. For example, I’d always choose an Omega DeVille (such as the Prestige) over a PP Calatrava. Nothing special about it for that price range.
Patek make ~70,000 watches a year while A. Lange & sohne makes 5,000, and does double assembly. The latter does this even with its base models, while Patek goes “over the top” with finishing on its complicated movements (not the base calatrava). I’d get a German watch for a simple watch (I’d still get a big date), I’d get a Patek if I wanted a complicated movement (and had body guards around me at all times as well as a billion $).
Even if I had millions or billions of disposable income, I'd much rather purchase other select buys such as items from Fort Belvedere, or sport coats like Raphael's collection :)
The cost of wear is probably free if you sell it eventually. Watches are the ultimate way to look your best and have someone else pay for it, if you buy the right watch. Patek is 100% in that category so if you can front the cash, you will get most of it back when you sell.
Some people will spend over $1,000 just for a cell phone that might break within a couple of years, or at least the battery won't last that long and they will have to go out and get another one and one of these watches can last forever but people say why get a watch when I have a cell phone
Well, yeah, honestly. A watch looks nice on your wrist and tells the time. A cell phone tells the time, can call almost anyone, connects to the internet and RU-vid, streams live TV, tells you the weather, has games, has banking, etc. I like my pocket watch just fine, but I hope that if I decide to drop thousands of dollars on something that serves no real purpose beyond being a cumbersome way to tell the time, my family calls the mental hospital pronto. My pocket watch cost around a hundred dollars and tells time just as well as some unholy expensive Swiss thing.
*IVE OWNED 4 ROLEX* dont buy one - they are over hyped mid range watches - Patek Philippe Calatrava, worth every - Honestly, buy a Longines penny ALSO A. Lange & Söhne [Saxonia], H. Moser and Cie [Venturer]. Honestly - buy a Longines over a Rolex. Longines was founded in 1832 to make proper watches, Rolex was set up to make cheap watches for the UK.
Every Rolex has appreciated in value. So even if you have grown tired of it, you get your money back. Don’t buy a lower tier brand like Longines or Tissot because you are almost guaranteed to lose most of the value of it. If you love the watch, great, but don’t buy that tier to “save” money because it doesn’t actually save money.
@@DW-xt7vz IMO you should never buy a watch cos you want to "make money" or "get your money back" I made money on ever Rolex but thats just a coincidence. I think that is TOTALLY the wrong reason to buy a watch. You dont buy a Saville Row suit cos you will "not lose money on it" Also the average cost of a Longines is $2,000 - if the bottom drops out of the rolex bubble [as it will at some point] and you lose just 20% you are likely to lose $4k minimum "Every Rolex has appreciated in value." Im sorry but I [IMO] think that is a poor reason to own a rolex
It's a lovely piece but it's way out of my budget. I could buy a nice car for that kind of money. I can think of several brands that make a dress watch for a lot less.
The truth is that 99% of the world doesn't care what you have on your wrist. There are plenty of vintage watches out there that look just as good. A good Omega dress watch can be bought for around $500 or less.
Pocket watches have almost always been acceptable for black and white tie. It more had to do with formality back in ye old days when wristwatches were new and casual. I've heard the rule of never wearing a timepiece with evening formalwear, and I really have no idea where it came from; even in the Victorian era, men were wearing timepieces with white tie. The idea of the rule is that there should be no concern for time at an elegant, formal event, but there are seemingly obvious reasons why this might not be true. Say you're going to the opera - you probably need to know when to arrive, when it starts, and when to catch your ride home if you're not driving yourself. As a groom, you might need to be able to move things along at your wedding in a timely manner, which is better with a watch than a phone. It's more important to match the formality of your watch to your outfit - sport watches for more casual outfits and combinations, dress watches for combinations and suits, black dress watches or pocket watches for black tie, and pocket watches for morning dress and white tie.
@@themoderndandy713 Thanks - that makes sense. I will say that wearing a wristwatch with black tie just "feels/looks off" to me. Maybe because it lessens the right-left balance in an outfit that is otherwise free from distractions/patterns. Maybe it's the visual weight of the double cuff + cuff link that I wear with a black tie. (I don't have a single-cuff black-tie shirt) I don't have a great reason other than to say that it's a personal preference, not adherence to a "rule."
I dont need an ID enhancer. I recoil at the mere thought of the consumer trap. I refuse to support an opaque company in a neutral country with a higher standard of living than my own.
My life dream was to own a Patek. However, few years ago a Dominican drug lord was very publicly arrested and many Pateks were found. I wonder a) if u can pass the question to the manufacturers and b) is this risk identified at all by the company. Thank you in advance
You are using the word “icon” and “iconic” incorrectly and too frequently. Please keep a dictionary and a thesaurus nearby and convenient for use. They will serve you well.
@@HipstarMusic HAHAHA! Autocorrect, I'm tired of your shirt. Misspelling created by an automated system is an example or illustration of irony. It is not the "definition" of irony. Moreover, spelling is a unique component of writing, separate from punctuation and grammar. So, perhaps it's not as "ironic" as you suggest. Finally, the point stands. When a speaker uses "icon" or "iconic" repeatedly and incorrectly, it reduces credibility and diminishes the impact of their argument. Regardless, thank you for the "gotcha". You made me laugh out loud...literally (as in the dictionary definition of the word).
@@mitchmitchell9588 So let me get this right: Your auto correct replaced...what word with "fir"? Congratulations! You're the dumbest person I've encountered today.
@@HipstarMusic It replaced "fir" for "for". They are next to each other on the keyboard. If I am the dumbest person you've encountered today, you are truly a fortunate individual with brilliant friends and family.
@@mitchmitchell9588 Yes, Mitch, I was assuming "for" was the word your so-called auto-correct replaced with "fir". Funny, my and everyone else's auto-correct replaces non-words with real ones. Yours apparently is enhanced to replace for with fir? Try again. You're digging quite a hole for yourself!
So a Rolex that can go anywhere and do anything and last just as long but cost half to a third isn’t worth it but a precious metals tea and crumpets watch you wear once a month for 30k is worth it!?! Come one. Also did you even touch one in real life for this video? That looked like stock or borrowed footage. Did you actually wear one? How do you review something you never even wore?
Our friend @FedericoTalksWatches sent us a few Calatravas to use for the video. Raphael has previously stated his views on Rolex here: www.gentlemansgazette.com/7-reasons-id-never-buy-a-rolex/?
think about it like this; a pair of nike running shoes that are made in china is going to be 1/40th (or whatever) the price of a bespoke leather oxford made in italy by the finest shoe maker with the best materials. Does this mean that the nike shoe is bad? No. You wouldn't wear the oxfords to go running would you? The rolex is a more utilitarian watch designed for harsher conditions.
@@Jairseph I disagree with your analogy. I own these watches. The Rolex is like a classic penny loafer. Well built and can go with 90% of what you might wear or do. The Calatrava (not to be confused with PP sport models) are basically like ladies stilettos. Stunning but really only appropriate is VERY specific situations. Any one (including me) who has tried to daily wear a calatrava will tell you don’t. Unless you don’t mind spending a few grand and about 2 months every year servicing the thing. My issue was that this channel thought Rolex was “not worth it”. Fair enough. Lots of folks feel that way. But to turn around and say a PP Calatrava is worth it? Seems inconsistent. Also I don’t think they even had one for the video. I don’t recall any of them wear one. All stock images. I could be wrong.
1. Nothing is heirloom piece. The future is getting simpler, more convenient. Your heir prefers fitbit, smartwatches 2. Watch out for the word “cost no object”. This is what drives up nouveau riche’s market & put common sense aside 3. Some nouveau riche said “it’s a conversation piece”. I’d say it’s your personality, your charm, that makes up the conversation. Not the watch, for sure
