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Not a POE fan, but I think they are currently above Diablo. Diablo 2 R will help revive the Diablo franchise, and close the gap a bit. But will need more D2 content and or D4 to be amazing to fully catch up.
The main difference its pacing. Diablo 3 its horrible. Path of exile its great but the pacing its not for me to fast, mobs dont put a fight you die in one hit from something you barely see. Diablo 2 has the perfect combat pacing, just like my oter favored ARPG grim dawn.
Hey, mostly agree with what you said, but you missed what I and most other players would consider the life of path of exile, The End Game, once you start getting into path maps is everything, ive been playing for years and I would say 75% of my time playing has been mapping if not more, end game bosses gearing and stuff like that that only come from end game.
@@psiklops71 4000 hours in D3?! My god... your lack of standards is disturbing. And it seems you're proud of that too! Lowest common denominator game for lowest common denominator people!
@@matthew7371 Neither did PoE when I really played it. Heard after Blight League or some patch thereafter it started doing that, hopefully the PoE 2 update will fix it.
What if I told you a way existed and has existed for years? It's called widescreen macro and lets you zoom out super far depending on how much you squish your window. It's amazing and I recommend it. Tripolar Bear released a video for it not that long ago ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-p1BLjmfC6e0.html
basically to maintain endgame in PoE need constantly 20 tabs of guides, trades, suffixes, mods and all kinds of stuff open. If You want to get to end end game You need a PhD in PoE. Diablo definitely a more casual player friendly.
Also PoE has very terrible performance for a good number of players. I can’t play longer than a few minutes before the FPS drops massively and it’s unplayable at that point. This is with settings as low as possible and the resolution set at half my actual screen resolution
@@soultekkamusic115 It's not a game for everyone, and that's good! Because it appeals to certain tastes, and there are other games that wouldn't appeal to those people. I'm pretty sure there are some games you like that others wouldn't, just how there are some games I like that I know others would find boring.
@@soultekkamusic115 POE is still one of the best games to come out in a very long time with a ton of content. You don’t need to know how to do most things to enjoy it. I just complete quests, clear areas, grind and level my character.
@@AquaCulinarius Still pain is done, my excitment when diablo 3 was coming out was unmeasured, and i actually loved game for the first 200 hours mostly bcs i was younger and enthusiastic about literally everything, also with auction game actually had some fun factor.
One massive point in favor of Path of Exile is that you won't be supporting or giving any money to Activision/Blizzard, one of the worst companies in the industry.
@@NoobTheMexicanNinja Seems you've spent some time under a rock. Feel free to update yourself on the myriad ways Blizzard has proven themselves to be one of the worst companies in the history of gaming.
Awesome take on POE. This is very true as I have played the game completely f2p before finally making a big purchase back in 2018 after 5 yrs of playing it. Bought some really nice supporter packs and some stash tabs to show my support for the game. I grew up playing D2 extensively, and have also played D3 and it's pretty fun as a couch coop for console however I'm not really a huge fan of linear progression... I really like the complexity of PoE over the two. I really love theorycrafting and making builds work. That being said this is just my personal preference..
Absolutely agree. I had very similar experience with both. Huge excitement for PoE's theory-crafting and complexity, while afternoon lazy couch experience with friends for D3. Great name and title pic. 😉👍
I feel that i truthfully had to look up builds for poe 😂 that shit is crazy but i love the fact there’s soo many routes to choose from and when you’re fighting the screen looks wild
Personally I'm more of a casual gamer, so Diablo is much easier for me to get into and have some fun. PoE is just overwhelming. You start a character and you're pretty much lost as you start playing. And I'm not really interested in looking up a bunch of guides just to enjoy a game. Obviously this might not be the case for everyone, but for me Diablo will always be the better game.
Shit I just started Diablo 2, in act 3 and I’m loving it . But I’ve been so lost and slow to pick up my stride . A lot of Reddit asking and research . So if PoE is Harder to understand there’s no way I could play it hahah
@@gamecop2191 way harder, so many options, you need a month just to catch all the things..I'm D2 fan, I started PoE few days ago, I don't have that much time to catch all the things..
@@gamecop2191 D2 is even less forgiving than POE when it comes to respeccing your characters though(You only get 3 free respec's and then it's hell boss grinding or you are out of luck). And D2 is much more difficult than POE when you get to hell difficulty. All the D2 vets calling POE difficult is pretty funny IMO. I'll respect the people who like Diablo 3 more since I used to also share that opinion. But usually that opinion is only held by people who have never given POE an actual chance. At least that's how it was for me. Not to mention how much easier trading is in POE due to the high playerbase.
I'm not a very heavy gamer whatsoever, but PoE makes perfect sense to me honestly. It might have a bit of a steep curve for an hour or two, but then it makes total sense I'd say. Just a youtube video for a beginners guide or something like that, and you're all set to go really. Maybe not the end game stuff or extras, but overall. Would help if the tutorial was a bit more intuitive in the game though, yeah. But if someone like me who doesnt play many games (this is the only online game Ive played for more than 5-10 hours) can do it, I'm sure most people can
I never took the time to play PoE but after getting sick of grinding d3 greater rifts I took the time to play and learn PoE and I have to say it's a game in its own league compared to d3, the end game content is far superior, options, customizations etc...I love d3 but I can't even play it now, it feels like a basic game to me with beautiful graphics.
@@andreimunteanu750 No they aren’t. And also, I disagree. PoE feels bland compared to Diablo 3. All the classes feel too similar in comparison whereas in Diablo 3 they each feel completely different and there’s way more customization that is viable in Diablo 3 than in PoE. PoE essentially forces you into a few builds if you want to run maps. Diablo 3 doesn’t do this at all, you could even play random builds you just make up and you’re still able to run greater rifts. And Diablo 2 is even better than Diablo 3. The end game level 84 areas in Diablo 2 are what the PoE maps and Diablo 3 Rifts are based off of and they’re just as good if not better than both.
@@tbone8358 really , man as much as I love D3 but it has outdated graphics while PoE looks as if it's using PBR which is obviously superior , you have to be blind to not see the effects, the lightning strikes, the fog , the water and the textures ? you obviously don't need to have super detailed models when you have good textures
@@andreimunteanu750 no not true, you can look up diablo 3 vs PoE comparisons and everyone mentions that it’s obvious that PoE looks worse, everyone knows PoE has bad graphics especially compared to Diablo 3 and PoE is also way clunkier it has frame drops and issues out the wazoo.. PoE combat = aoe aoe aoe warp aoe aoe warp ... I thought the game was complex and had creative builds but it’s just a bunch of number crunching.. I want to play a game not follow a build just so I can play the game. All builds are a big aoe with a movement with auras, the passive tree might as well not even exist since you’re only punished harshly in the late game for mistakes. Just because there’s a big passive skill tree does not mean that there’s choice. It’s like in diablo 3 the legendary gems... well mostly people only use a handful of the legendary gems cause they’re so much better than the others.. that’s how the whole passive tree is in PoE.
I enjoy both games. Diablo 2 and 3 is a really relaxing to play. I like that I don't have to refer to any guides in Diablo 3 - I can just play. It's honestly a pretty chill game. Not exactly the game you want to play if you want to be challenged. But if you don't have a lot of time and want to see everything the game can offer, it doesn't take that long to get to the highest torment level in diablo 3. I did it last season with a Demon Hunter and I think I spent like 3 days. That was fine for me. I don't need to grind endlessly for months in order to enjoy a game - I don't have that kind of time anymore anyway. Path of Exile is really nice, but it does feel a bit heavy if I have not been playing for awhile. I wish I could pre-load my skill tree advancement into the game and have it auto-level my skill tree as I keep playing. Maybe that sounds silly, but would smooth out the flow of the game for me. It's kind of impossible to see the forest through the trees and make the correct long-term decisions on a skill tree while you're just leveling - that's a huge ask. For a new build, how do I know what balance of stats and offense vs defense and special skills do I need right away? Who could really know that so much meta information you can't possible know when starting? It's just far easier to play a build that someone has already worked out from the top-down in advance. I'm sure Path of Exile 2 will help a bit in this area because upgrading gear while leveling is probably one of the most annoying things to do in that game - it's not convenient at all. With currency being as rare as it is, it just feels bad to spend lots of currency to change leveling items you know you're going to throw away very quickly, so I just don't even bother but it makes the loot game feel very bad while leveling. Path of Exile feels a lot better once you get into maps, probably because I've beaten the campaign so many times I am sort of sick of it now. Usually when starting a new ladder season, I just want to get to maps as fast as possible. The campaign feels like a huge wall to me at this point. It'll be nice to play a brand new campaign when Path of Exile 2 comes out. I'm sure it'll also be designed better than the first one too, which is one of the reasons it feels so rough to play over and over.
same. I play D2 modded still(I can't enjoy much vanilla so D2R becomes boring fast) My main game is PoE tho. The game is just so good. From a D2 veteran perspective PoE really is the best follow up. I normally play D2 between leagues of PoE and still enjoy it a lot.
@@Axthenon PoE has the same issue Borderlands has: Every time you level up..... you find minor upgrades in most of your gear D2 is the opposite----- you might get some upgrades but they are more rare and bigger upgrades PoE gets boring fast when it feels like you are constantly replacing your gear..... also all the orbs and sockets..... the lag/latency etc
path of exile is great until you have to figure out why all your builds either became completely worthless or just straight up no longer works after being away for a long time.
I agree with you completely. Recent POE experience from last week, part 1 was actually properly challenging, didn't die much with crit based assassin, reave focused build. Part 2, dying every couple of minutes. Also, haven't read before playing, it's a game not a PhD paper and is supposed to be fun!
@@zaheedhasib Just look up a popular build guys for a skill you like and follow it exactly. You'll still have fun, but you won't have to "understand" why your build is working. Leave the build guide open as you play so you can constantly reference it.
But that is the point of PoE, "you have to figure it out" . It doesn't hold your hands, it is more old school in this approach than anything, which many of us like, as the game forces you to experiment. If you don't want to experiment, there is dozens if not thousands of build guides you can follow and will provide end game viable gameplay...This is the beauty of PoE, no 2 builds are exactly the same, even if you follow a guide. If you are dying too quick then your resistances and health/ES pool's are ridiculously low.
I played PoE in 2019 and had ton of fun, and learning was part of that fun experience: learning the vendor recipes, how the gems and skills works, experimenting new combinations, - even though I was following a build guide, some of the skills and equipment you won't get until you reach the end game and grind a lot, so there's still room for you to play and try things. But I haven't played in 2020 and only now I decided to get back to the game and AGAIN, I having tons of fun. Can't recommend PoE enough!
Like you mentioned in the video, I just cannot get past the learning curve/entrypoint PoE has. This is why I love Diablo as its not as daunting to get into, I am a bit in the middle between casual and hardcore. I want to experience the endgame but I don't min max nor do I like to look up guides and get the perfect build and that's what mainly throws me off PoE.
Yea I get you. I started with embracing the fact that the endgame in path of exile is far far away so it didnt really frustrate me that I couldnt kill any bosses. But I kept learning new things from League to League until I could look up specific problems and find answers to them online. I tried using a complete-guide early on and it ruins everything because you dont understand a thing and just do what the guide tells you. When you played enough by urself to actually understand what a guide tells you, you are able to add your own twist to it. Usually you dont have enough currency to follow the guide one by one anyway, so you still can be quite creative in that regard. But of course there is nothing wrong with loving Diablo, too^^
@@hansbansor5170 yeah have massive respect for POE, but prefer Diablo and the gameplay spec approach they take. POE is like perhaps the most complex game ever, just hours and hours of complexity.
Yeah, I think the video doesn't do a good job of describing just how complicated and hardcore PoE has become. You simply cannot play it without a guide or references. He's right in that you will benefit immensely from checking out meta builds in Diablo 3, but in PoE consulting external resources is a requirement. We're not even talking about trading. Again, there's nothing inherently wrong with complexity and how PoE does it. But if we're going to compare it with Diablo 3, we need to emphasize just how opposite they are in terms of complexity. The difference really is night and day. I think if you're coming from D3 and want to step things up a notch, Grim Dawn and Last Epoch are better options. Those games also practically require consulting build guides, especially for your first couple of builds because you can screw up or at least hamper your progress. But they're much more forgiving and understandable than PoE. Especially Last Epoch. Sure, PoE is free, but the complete Grim Dawn bundle is often massively discounted on Steam. Last Epoch, not so much as it's still in Early Access, but its skill-based variety lets you have fun experimenting and seeing cool skills way sooner than PoE.
@@iatwiatw I dont think you "need" a guide for poe. You can perfectly fine play the whole campaign without any form of guide. Sure you will do incredible inefficient things and of course you should have the brain capacity to skill fire damage, if you are doing fire damage. You will hit a wall sooner or later after the campaign, but I dont think it is inherently a bad thing. It gives you sth to strive for if you want. You "can" spend hours and hours and delve deep into the insane complexity that poe offers if you choose to. And if not, you still had about 20hours of fun up to that point.
for me it comes down to build variety. POE seems to have neverending things to try and if you know what you're doing you can excel with nearly anything. D3 has like... 10 builds you can play any given time and in some seasons there are great disparities between the top 3 builds and the rest.
Build variety in PoE is more like a facade. It’s not actually variety when you essentially have to pick all the health nodes or energy shield nodes, or follow X build if you want to push maps. PoE has about the same amount of variety or less than Diablo 3 especially if you consider all the legendaries and ethereal items in diablo 3
@@tbone8358 build variety isn’t health and energy shield nodes... it’s the abilities and specializations. And path of exile has more legendaries than d3, idk wtf you are talking about
@@adybli36 thats not his point , the point is that you have to spend notes on life or amouir masterys for reservation efficiencys and stats, a easy solution to even more freedom would be giving players more skillpoints , but that would be to broken.
With all the different league encounter in the map system from Poe, i would say Poe offers a much more interesting end Game. Especially the different end game Bosses. On the other hand its pretty complex and hard to understand
@David James my man Arpgs are all about the grind your going to be doing a lot of the same stuff over and over in all these games with subtle differences last epoch is a great game Poe is as well but Poe has a massive learning curve if ur willing to jump in
Diablo 1: cult classic/dark&gritty Diablo 2: legendary/dark&gritty Diablo 3: My little glitter pony treadmill simulator Path of exile: what the actual Diablo 3 should of been
@@Ozmodia are you kidding me? D2 pvp was legit as Fuck. I was there for the beginning of both diablos, I sunk years in them I made money off d2. You must be blind
I have a Cyclone/Whirlwind build in each game. Both of them are just hold right click, spin to win. I have a necromancy build in each game. In PoE, I summon my horde and just waltz through the map without having to do anything. In Diablo 3, I have to be a Korean Master level SC2 player to keep the APMs high enough for my horde to be effective. I have had far more issues getting (meta) builds to work in Diablo 3 due to the ridiculous button mashing required than I ever have with anything in PoE. And in both games, you can control the difficulty, meaning any challenges that are pushing you away from the game are there because you chose for them to be. Breeze through some easy stuff until you get the gear/skills/experience to bump it up. That's why the option is there. Nobody is expecting you to play T16 maps directly out of the gate. Just like nobody expects you to farm GR100s.
@@endersblade It's not the difficulty or the complexity that I have an issue with. It's just that the moment to moment combat isn't satisfying. That might be down to the animations. Theres no weight to the hits. I'm hoping POE 2 addresses that.
I’ve played 2,000 hours of Diablo 2 (when I was in high school) and around that same 2,000 hours of playing PoE. For me it’s crystal clear that PoE is definitely way far more superior on almost every aspects: classes and builds, game mechanics, mapping, endgame contents, bossing, community, gameplay balance, currency system, streamers, pro competition leagues, the list goes on … I even don’t mind mentioning about Diablo 3 for so-obvious reasons. The only good thing of Diablo 2 for me is just the old-childish-first-time playing memorable days - when Blizzard was a darling company that people love and respect - not a racist, gender discriminating, political-influenced, free speech silencing, bad-games remaking, and greedy company like Activision Blizzard today.
FEX WHAT Are you talking about?? poe HAS LIke 15 different end games... Maps is ONE of the end games.. what about Delve? or shaper? or Uber atziri or Sirus? or atlas? Blight farming, metamorph, Delerium 100% , there is TONS of end game.
I stopped playing POE after only 60hours because I did not have any pleasure. This not fun for a new player. I killed monsters and monsters, and go from an act to another. Too much loot in the floor. You have to dowload a filter from the net .... What a strange game design.... POE is for me a currency management game, more than anything else.
Grim Dawn is good too , very very good. Highly recommended to try. POE , Grim Dawn , Last Epoch is better than Diablo 3 imo. Diablo 3 is good , don't get me wrong , but the skills are so lacklustre. Classic skill tree will be far superior than the rune skill system in Diablo 3.
From dawn is awesome. Just having problems with longtivity. Last Epoch is Beta and still better than most ARPG in market. Imagine what will happen when it launch
PoE is the Spiritual successor to Diablo 2. Diablo 3 wasn’t good. PoE is much less beginner friendly than Diablo, but it has so much more depth to it than any other ARPG game on the market.
Man, great work as usual BUT this question is very hard to answer. I mean, the Diablo 2 fans know what they love and the PoE fans also know why this is their game, they love PoE for what it is. The truth is all depends on the lifestyle one has. I myself respect the PoE team, I love the smart way they created it and the richness PoE offers. However, I have too much real life and I have a family , so PoE is not cool for me, even though it is a great game. It is just that reading guides and wikis for 10 days and then training for weeks and then waiting for IDK what to go the final end game which is mega complicated and then again reading other guides and then starting a PhD program to know how to improve the Duelist.........IT IS TOO MUCH. And at some point after just finishing a story and reaching a let me say "almost high level " - I just left PoE. But again - it is a really great game for sure. Nicely created. Smart. Rich. But sometimes "more is less " ... Diablo 2 is the best and for me it is my personal best item hunting game ever
PoE just gets more complicated each patch, it's come to the point where it's stressful just to start up again. I prefer modded D2 since it provides just the amount of depth I want without it being overbearing.
Offline Plugy D2 is my perfect game. I'll never tire of it. And i agree, PoE is far too complicated and that doesnt always mean better. Less is more as they say, a lot of the newer generation don't understand this and im not surprised. They've been brainwashed by the industry, not their fault but thats what it is.
@@NolaGamer the beauty of POE is that the wide array of choices at endgame allow for a different experience frequently. You are able to do different mechanics and can literally ignore others and still easily have a successful season. Sure, some routes are META, but you can for instance literally run a season and ignore something like Delve or Heist yet still make hundreds of exalts. Nothing in POE is forced. Very well thought out. You can even get rich in the game farming an old mechanic like Shaper or Uber Elder completely ignoring everything other than map mechanics through the first 8 watchstones.
@@NolaGamer `thats like saying any restaraunt that offeres more than 2 or 3 things is too much.. you dont hAVE to eat everything. just pick 1 thing. the name of the game is CHOICE. you will never do everything in POE. even if you are the best player in the world you litterally cant do everything.
@@indiegamesonly6617 Poe does have too many mechanics and technical nonsense. the games great but at this point it's like they are making it complex for no reason
My biggest issue with PoE is that it's super deep in terms of builds, mechanics and content but the second-to-second gameplay just feels worse than Diablo. Abilities don't feel punchy or exciting, enemies die with canned death animations circa 1998, and combat generally doesn't feel very exciting. Compared to Diablo 3 which is super god damn shallow, but fighting enemies feels satisfying. Enemies go flying, you can blow the skeletons out of them with crits, etc. Abilities feel super satisfying to hit enemies with (I'm looking at you, Locust Swarm) because there's so many ways for them to die. If PoE and Diablo could just have a baby, I don't think I'd play anything else. I keep hoping GGG will revise the combat of PoE to make it feel fun. Add physics, rework enemy models, rework visuals for the abilities, etc. Just polish the combat and make it fun. Instead, PoE is about becoming so overpowered that you can actually sort of skip the gameplay; you just blow up the entire screen instantly killing everything, and then move as quickly as you can to the next screen over and repeat. It becomes a loot slot machine and sort of removes the gameplay/combat aspect. By just deleting every mob instantly it's all about what drops. The drops are always a super important part of an ARPG, but it should be AFTER the combat. The game is about fighting large groups of enemies, and at a point in PoE it stops feeling like "fighting" and more like "instantly deleting". If your build takes any more time than that, it's considered trash.
You didn't mention the balance and drop-rates. Those are the aspects that would really weigh the games for hardcore vs casual. That and the distance from download to endgame. You can have fun in PoE with whatever build you want, but to even get to the endgame you're already meeting the endgame challenges. D2 can be played through to the end of the first difficulty fairly easily. D3 can be a walk in the park, or very punishing if that's what you're into, to experience all of the story-based content before you get into the slog of endgame min-maxing.
@@matthewreynolds4382 They're balanced for trade, so much lower. If you know D3, you could fill out your LoN build before a PoE character could get more than 4 pieces of their final build. Assuming all of the drops for their ideal build were the first of the type that they found. For reference, in the same amount of time I spent getting a full set (pre-Haedrig's Gift) and all the accompanied legendaries in D3, I found 2 uniques (neither of which were viable for my character) in PoE and 0 6-linked items. Uniques aren't the end-all that legendaries are to D3, but they're the same rarity of item.
@@gogroxandurrac OK thanks, that's helpful. Bit of a bummer that PoE is stingy with drops. I hope there's no p2w mechanism that can get you geared up faster? It's just stash tabs and cosmetics, right?
Diablo 4 might change things around but path of exile is the king by a country mile. Content is king in my books and diablo 2/3 are just the same old same old and get repetetive extremely quickly. Its not even a competition at this point
@Paul Jacobs It isn't overcomplexity "for the sake of it", it's overcomplexity because there ARPGs appeal to people who like to grind, and a game like D3 is just too shallow for a long grind to be satisfying. PoE isn't impossible to understand, especially if you've played other ARPGs, and the depth is the appeal.
Have always kinda felt the perfect game exists somewhere in between the two. Hopefully the next iteration of both games brings them a bit closer together in terms of what they offer overall. PoE2 would do well to be a bit more approachable in terms of systems - D4 needs to really create a great deal more depths in theirs, while pushing out regular seasonal updates that feel more like PoE leagues. It would seem both titles may well be on that path already and we'll end up with two great ARPGs in the next couple years, I'm okay with that. Time will tell.
Yeh kinda nailed it. The fact that D2 still holds up and is IMO superior to D3 in every way, really says a lot of the quality of D2 and lack of quality in D3. I mean the game is what.. 20 years old by this point? If you have played POE and not played any diablo game, you are better of playing D2 over D3, and remember the game came out 20 years ago.
Learning curve is a very generous way of saying it. I absolutely love games like these and I can’t get into POE. It’s absurdly overwhelming at times. I can’t really imagine someone that isn’t familiar with arpgs having a clue what’s going on in POE. It’s complicated just for the sake of being complicated.
@@chefnstrike yeah I agree. I’ve tried the game 4 different times and end up quitting after a couple days. I just wish some things were a little better explained. I hope POE 2 or Diablo 4 fall somewhere in between Diablo 3 and POE. They are both fun in their own ways but where D3 is extremely simplified, POE is overly obtuse.
Ultimately the goal of each game is to min-max your gear to optimize your character. In that sense, PoE is the EVE Online of the ARPGs. It's fairly easy to get at least started, but requires vast spreadsheets to min-max your character. For Diablo 3, it's just a matter of getting the right stats to drop on the right gear, you have no real control over it. Just grind and you will eventually get it.
It's natural, I have over thousand hours in POE and there are still things I can't figure on my own.. and I make builds for the game mind you.. The basic principle is, you don't create build from zero. You have to find core mechanic that work first, and empathize of some of it's aspects. You can create 20 different builds with the same core mechanic, some of them will work, some will not, but if you try to create a build from zero, it's 100% not gonna work. Also respec is a thing. So many builds even revolve around lrvtlingbin one way, and respec at endgame with another build
An amazing review! Thank you very much for the great content. 😻 I'd like to mention that PoE has a thing called Standard league, which was exactly what I started my experience with. It is the place where ALL players' characters end up after temporary league ends with all the new mechanics from it. So it is exactly for players, who prefer more permanent gameplay, if you don't mind that the new content and new characters that you created in fresh league will be added to it 3 months later. When I started playing PoE, it was the first game I was *crazy* excited about for it's complexity. I was so eager to discover my skill path, develop my characters, and destroy the content. My first stash purchase was after 3 years of playing irregularly. D3 got boring for me after 15 hours of gameplay. If I were 6 yo, I would enjoy D3 longer. Maybe. Very nice game though. But I am glad that I never purchased it. For me it would be a waste. But, chacun à son goût.
@@GhostoftheTenthEye LMAO okay Mr ''I'm So InTeLLigEnT'' let me explain you something very basic: If the game wasn't too complex to get into for those having a busy life, they wouldn't have to follow a build guide to get into it. Say your comment again looking at a mirror because it totally applies to you. 2+2 isn't just in math.
I started playing D2 after D3/PoE (I played till Act 2 as a kid on my cousin's PC) and honestly I find it to be a better overall game than those two, especially with some light nodding like Path of Diablo.
It's probably because it is simpler, but more subtle also. Things have to be figured out. It is also a more believable world overall. You can identify to the characters way more.
I have tried both and tend to end back up at D3 and enjoy a season every so often. One of the main factors was the ease of gameplay and sense of accomplishment I could get out of small burst gaming sessions with my limited free time. On the other hand, I was a silver supporter for POE but was unable to play it properly for the first 2 years, just due to the horrendous server support and bad netcode, struggled to play it from my country. While it is better now and I am able to play now, the gameplay just doesn't grab me as much; and the trade system still confused me sometimes. To be fair D3 was horrendous at launch as well, but luckily the second game director helped get the game back to a good state with the expansion and then helped slip in all those massive content patches. Either way I am looking forward to both new versions of their respective franchises. They have definitely learnt a lot from each other over these last few years. At the end of the day ARPG players can't complain as we are spoilers for choice and there is a game to suite everyone's needs and playstyle.
I was a hardcore D2 player and was deep into D3 then I tried PoE and I've not turned back. PoE has so much freedom to do what you want while D3 puts a leash on you and yanks you back every time you try to stray just barely out if their char design. You want the health benefits of a tank but like to cast spells? They have a build for that! You want to have minions but you also want to fight with them? They have a build for that! You want the accuracy and crit of an archer but be a front line DPS? THEY HAVE A BUILD FOR THAT! And dont get started on the Endgame which has way more depth. I ran rifts until I puked for the same gear but PoE has endgame in the form of maps, mine delves (rifts), legendary bosses, monster crafting (seriously, you can create your own legendary monsters for better loot!). PoE is just a far superior game
I clicked on this video with the mindset "haha, PoE is better, let's see what this guy has to say" but honestly I think it's a really fair comparison. Having played both games, I KNOW PoE is my favorite, but this video made a lot of good points in favor of Diablo, and I think it makes a really fair case for either game and it uses really layman friendly terms to describe the games. I've definitely seen the complexity turn away players, I tried introducing my dad (big diablo 3 player) to the game last league and it took him most of the league to make it to maps... and that was after he stopped playing at act 2 in the league prior. This league though, he's there in under a week! I think I got him hooked. Anyway, I think this debate would be much more easily framed if Diablo were more consistent between releases, but I definitely enjoyed it more than I expected I would.
While I prefer D2, I believe PoE is a great option for long time D2 players looking for a bit more. I just wish PoE didn't fall into the same trap of super speed, screen explosions, and massive damage ramp up that d3 also fell in.
Ahaha fair comparison lol. No sorry. POE is better in literally every aspect. Diablo is just a lazy corporate cash grab. Play Diablo for a few hours and you are done. You experienced everything you can do in a $60 game. It's shallow, cartoon graphics that are a spit in the face of the original games. PoE keeps it fresh, it doesn't look like a cartoon for children. Complex deep customization. If you like Diablo over poe then I have an alternative "game" you will love. It's called fortnite. Same cheezy graphics, easy to play, and makes the developer rich without even trying.
Something Blizzard traditionally did with their games was establish a captivating storyline. Diablo 2 had strong narratives and cutscenes to really build a climax to the overall RPG element of the game. Although PoE has layers upon layers of complexity for theory/endgame, it doesn't deliver in the story-rich/RPG side of the ARPG genre.
Yeah this is kinda what put me off PoE for now. I don't mind system complexity, but you gotta give me good story to keep me doing the same kill loot cycle so many times. Played Diablo 1 back in the 90's and was HOOKED on its gothic story until D3 arrived ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UFVIjMSsB70.html
PoE and Diablo 3 do not have a similar end game. I've played diablo 3 since release and completed every seasonal challenge on both normal and hardcore. PoE has a more complex and rewarding end game than diablo even comes close to.
@@joelhodoborgas there are end game only bosses with special items you can only get from them, every old league mechanic that is in the game has their own end game that plays differently from mapping, and with this next league today you can pick and choose which one of those you want to do along with an even higher tier of bosses with even better loot, just because a lot of people never made it to maps or just got into white/yellow tier than quit doesn't mean there isn't more end game outside of it
I mean there are similarities in the diablo franchise, but Diablo 2 and Diablo 3 are such different games that, when you say diablo, I dont even have something solid popping in my head. However one thing they have in common is that classes are actually classes and they have identity. That is a very significant deal breaker for me with PoE, regardless of the other factors, I dont want my character abilities and playstyle to be entirely defined with items. One more thing to add with PoE and to a lesser extent Diablo 3 is that, the game plays a certain way. The time to kill in those games are very low, especially with PoE, the game basically devolves to, kill your entire screen with each ability and the game fills the screen for you again. In Diablo 2, this is a lot different. Monsters have a lot more character and a lot more meat. You are expected to be in combat with the same monsters, you need to kite, you need to crowd control, you need to debuff them and escape their abilities. I also very much prefer this over the others.
I've been playing POE alot for the past few months, but have gotten bored of it. Yes, the end-game content is far superior to what Diablo has to offer, but that end-game content doesn't matter when your entire game is a clusterf*k of particles. It doesn't even matter what monsters you face, they either die before you realize what they are, or you die. I miss the diablo 2 days where every monster actually mattered. Whether it was a monster with resistances, or just a monster to stay away from because of its damage. The "Let's throw 100 monsters at your screen and watch everything explode" just doesn't do it for me. I don't want to sacrifice performance and smoothness of gameplay just for some slight satisfaction of exploding a group of mobs. Done with POE for now, waiting for D2 Resurrected.
You missed the fact that Diablo 3 seasons have a different unique passive effect or rule change each season. Similar to the leagues but to a lesser extent, there's still something new about each season. It allows for slightly (sometimes majorly) flexed build variety each season. It's still not huge, but the video makes it sound like each season is identical.
The difference though is once that season has passed, that unique passive or rules change is gone forever. In PoE, the leagues eventually get rolled into the 'Standard' server, where your league characters end up after the league is over, and where the 'forever' people (people who don't just roll for leagues and then quit until the next league) play as well. They usually appear as events and such on maps, although sometimes modified slightly to work within that model rather than being the central focus as it is in a league.
Yea I agree. It doesn't seem like this guy played diablo 3 more than 5 hrs tbh. Recent season systems were pretty dramatic. Also, those new system going away forever may actually be a good thing for casual players because they don't need to learn the old stuff. POE's learning curve is a bit too deep.
Diablo 3: fast pace power fantasy PoE: slower thought out power fantasy. That’s how I see the two. Diablo 3 is all about speeding things up. While PoE you have to start slow and plan your build out. But once you do and things start rolling, my god does the power trip really kick in.
I really wanted to love and play long term on PoE but I just couldn’t get past the huge learning curve. It’s unfortunate because it’s become even more complex from what I saw on Twitch. Oh well looking forward to Alaloth Champions of the Four Kingdoms. Not to mention when did ARPGs turn into dungeon runners? I miss the D2, Titan Quest days where it was a bit more slow and methodical. Alaloth looks to give me what I feel we lost in this genre. I don’t want to fly through dungeons.
D2 was super but had to google the rune words & secrets there. PoE needs the google a bit too but still opens easily when finding the key elements. PoE casters like ZiggyD and Zizaran got very well explained tutorials for the key stuff & seasons.
If you value a complexity that rewards for mastery, Path of Exile is indeed superior. If want a game that asks near nothing of you mentally, Diablo III is your choice. If you’re somewhere between the two, Diablo II is your jam.
PoE felt AMAZING a year/two ago. Now it feels like work. Also lightspeed builds are no longer interesting for me and that's pretty much ALL meta builds. So yeah, hate me all you want but I'm gonna go with Diablo 4 as my main aRPG in the future. I will play PoE2 for sure but... yeah... I'm tired of GGG constant push towards pleasing streamers and no lifers.
As a long-time PoE fan I would be salty a few months ago.... But seeing the last few leagues like Heist, Ritual and Ultimatum league, I understand that PoE desperately needs a major competitor like Diablo 4 in the market. Unless it’s like Diablo 3 or Immortal. Then fuck it.
@@AMabud-lv7hy Heist and Ritual were amazing. And D3 despite having the best engine has your character flashing all the time in combat, and the enemies you hit also flashing. Look: 7:45. It's so ugly, you can't see s§%! despite there being only 3 enemies on screen. It's like having a bright LED glued to the middle of your screen. D2 waaay better. Build diversity also non-existent, and from what they've shown about D4 it's clear it will be more of the same (they add like what, one single tree per class where you can choose right or left path? That's all?)
Something to consider too is Path of Exile is online only, and Diablo 3 can play offline. I feel this goes with the idea that path of exile is more for hardcore players while diablo 3 for casual.
LOL trading in d2 was a HUGE pain. I still play occasionally and the economy/trading is the most messed up part of that game. Start a game and wait for potentially hours doing nothing in a normal difficulty game so more will see it..... NO THANKS
@@kernoleary1394 you clearly WAS NOT playing diablo back in 2001,those were the days where the trading channel was full of REAL people and no bots nobody even messed with JSP and nobody had a need to make games to sell their items,sometimes people would make a game called trades and people would join it and exchange items all day long because nobody "knew" what the best item in the game was..it was extremely fun to do and i met a ton of people that im still friends with to this day..the most sought after item was sojs that was the true currency.. .08 valks and everything else was just normal loot back when i played..the rarest item was a windforce and a grandfather
@@johnnyraincloud7518 yes I played back in 2001-2002 it's actually the first computer game I ever played, I was 11 years old . I'm just saying NOW if you go in and play it's not a great experience. And back then it just felt like everyone was trying to scam you because few people knew the value of things
Another bonus for path of exile at least for me is the community I've gotten so much good loot from older players just giving them away for free and the ones that I do have to trade are not typically that expensive It has a very fluid economy
You missed some of the major points about PoE's endgame. At the end of maps are a lot of well designed and sometimes difficult boss encounters. Getting there and beating them feels great for the first time. The power curve you get from barely getting by to absolutely blasting maps and melting bosses at warp speed is what a lot of players strive for. Huge negative though: it takes a lot of time commitment to get there. Either in overall play hours over the life of the game to become a very knowledgeable player, or in league game hours of weeks or even more than a month to get there.
My issue with PoE is that it ultimately boils down to pushing 1 skill super far and spamming it. I literally fall asleep playing the end game of PoE. Diablo is by no means perfect and has a lot of issues with their builds (to the point Blizzard just gave up and made super powered sets and rifts that forever get harder to avoid having to make real content or balance), but at least you use multiple skills and have to pay some attention. Really looking forward to the next releases in these franchises to see where they take them.
when it comes to diablo I think the expectation is hours, diablo has been a franchise based on grinding and dumping hundreds if not thousands of hours into finding better gear. For me and I'm sure for a lot of diablo fans its fine if its 60$ as along as its a grindable experience that I can and will want to put my time into
I was shocked by the amount of content u can do in PoE. basically farm what u want. its designed to drop different loot from different things u farm and collectively enable an active trading economy.
Thanks for this comprehensive overview from your perspective. I played the crap out of D2 back in the days and was never really hooked by D3, i stopped playing even before they removed the auction house from the game, so waaaay back. As i am having this A-rpg itch coming up again, i feel encouraged to try PoE to scratch it. So thanks for that.
I am a noob in PoE, have approx 180 hours and i only yesterday purchased stash tabs. And i also did not because i needed them, but because this game has been entertaining me for 180 hours.
@@holymsophy Cool story, bro. With maps only, I can fill like 10 full stashes in about 2 weeks. With currency it can be very hard too. And what about resonators, gear, and all of the bases for crafting ... Like wtf, man. You clearly don't remember what it means to play with only 4 stash tabs, man. What a hassle it is. So maybe some really experienced player can finish some endgame content with very few inventory, because of how sure about his grinding and build strategy he is, but definitely not doable for a total noob.
@@dsinemoi1mouton not a joke. But if you're grinding like OCD. You're not just a regular player. I mean you're something else. 😢😢😢 So since you're something else, you need to buy that storage. But it doesn't mean you need the storage. You can be sure of what you want, your build ahead of time, and not hoard stuff. That way you can get into endgame without buying storage.
For me, a game is worth the price if 100 hours in, there are still new things to do and discover. Games like Diablo require you to grind to get to where you want. Grinding is fine, but most games fa;; into the trap of giving you 3-4 repeatable activities that you just do over and over until you level up or get the gear you need. Companies design these games to be played for long periods of time but usually fall short in the endgame department.
@@kyougou3275 u should have said something else as an excuse since grim dawn has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more builds than diablo and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more things to do :D
I tried PoE multiple times and got to endgame multiple times, but the builds, stats, gems and passives just overwhelm me to that point that I need a break and usually stop playing at that point.
@Lei Yoh May I recommend a channel called Kittencatnoodle for drawing forth lore from Path of Exile. I was quite partial to the story before looking into this, but there is a lot more to dig into with the implications of descriptions that creates a very rich world that is interesting to learn about.
The skill tree of PoE is where I practiced linear programming, and in the process of inputting so much data, found out that I make 1.75% clerical errors. The game in PoE extends beyond the game itself because of the depth.
The day i got a taste of PoE, i've never looked back to D3 and if D4 fails like D3, well... i still get my PoE2. Also, we gonna get D2-R so that also nice.
As a casual gamer, PoE sounds good as a concept but I've seen some videos about the leagues, and I really don't like the idea of changing characters every three months in order to try the new content I never played Diablo 2 so Diablo 3 was my first experience in the franchise, and I've enjoyed the game for many years now, I use what many consider the worst build possible but I like it, and in a game its what matter in my opinion I know it was not discussed in your video but another game which is usually mentioned along Path of Exile, and Diablo is Grim Dawn, I got it some time ago, and it was really, really fun, it even has a mode which turns it into Diablo 2 Next year I expect to try PoE and I may like it, who knows, but I also want to try Diablo 4, and some other games by small(ish) developers which are available now, or which may appear in the future
As somebody with over 1000 hours in both, I find the problem with D3 is that alright yeah, you're playing a new season, some things have slightly changed but at it's core everything is exactly the same. POE on the other hand has a VAST (i'm not kidding when I say this) variety of options of things to do at end game which are updated each league, not only that but they also release expansions (for free) which add an entire chunk to the end game progression systems (look at the atlas & maven)
The video didn't mention this but PoE suffers heavily from content/mechanics bloat. It's due to the years it has been out already so I don't blame the devs but it is extremely too much for new players to get into. Think about this, If a new player has to go out of game and spend weeks (or even months) of researching about what to do, downloading tools, checking guides, videos, reading spreadsheets, essays, and what content they can do everytime they get lost in the game, then I believe it is just bad game introduction----aka EVE ONLINE--. A dev needs to provide the player everything they need to know in-game or at least introduce every content in a structured way. It's what stopped me and plenty of other people from sticking long term. It also doesn't help that when new guys are having difficulty, getting lost, or complain the community just goes, "go back to D3 filthy casual. This game is for smart people, hurr durr". When deciding which of the two to play you have 2 considerations: -Time available: How much fun you are having 1. If you are a busy person and want to maximize your enjoyment with your limited time, go D2R/D3 definitely 2. If you have a lot of time on your hands (teenager, young adult, jobless, etc.), PoE wins hands down With Diablo, I'm playing an hour a day and I still managed to reach endgame and all the season has to offer 2 weeks into the season so I'll have 2 more months to grind perfect gears and do other ingame stuff. There's no way you can do that with PoE; The league will be long over before you get even close.
I think you're presenting preferences as objectively good game design here. The depth is the appeal, and endgame content isn't meant to be accessible to everyone who plays the game. There's nothing wrong with that.
@@kinoguy7503 Well he is right in the sense that POE is just a mess of different currencies and mechanics... which accumulated over all the years. Somehow GGG has to clean up something, because it really is to much... I've 3500hours on steam and played since the alpha. I stopped playing because of t he bloated nature of POE ...
@@ickebins6948 I would say the same thing to you. In your opinion it's bloat, but a lot of players are looking for a game with a ton of different systems to learn. There's enough content in POE that you can just ignore entire sections of the game you're not interested in learning and there's 0 opportunity cost. So i just disagree with you completely. Different players are looking for different things.
So true I ve played since 2013 but missing a few leagues means I have to re learn the game I still do not know much about harvest, grand heist, betrayal league The new atlas system is much harder to me than shaper /elder period AND THEY DECIDE TO ADD MAVEN ON TOP OF ALL THAT. Now we have Conquerors, Watch stones Also with my PC bricked I can't even enjoy the game on console because of the game depending on 3rd party tools
POE is a huge grind and high level content is not very accessible. PoE is not casual friendly. D3 is casual friendly which I very much appreciate. The RU-vid appreciation of PoE is largely from the hardcore community which misleads a lot of casual gamers. I have played both for many many hours, and I haven’t played both for years.
It’s the vibe of the game that keeps me coming back. The dark, gloomy, hellscape of Diablo 2 draws me in. Ive tried with PoE, while I acknowledge and agree with a lot of what was said in this video, it always ends up boring me.
@@Hangman1 the game is base off of diablo2.....it almost identitical minus the MASSIVE skill tree. and do you kno what moba mean? theres nothing in POE that is a battle arena, infact the PVP aspect of the game is what most people hates. the problem w POE is that it not beginner friendly, you need to go to school for that shit. just looking up builds could take months cause of the massive amount of decision needed.
While there is certainly a lot to be argued regarding how varied the mechanics are season to season, stating that there are no unique mechanics for each D3 season is simply not accurate. In addition, set items are changed so significantly that they're essentially new sets (or new sets are added). Obviously not everyone's cup of tea, but it's much deeper than described here.
Just got into PoE and it's amazing, so much fun. I much prefer it to D3, but I've never played D2. Needless to say I'm very excited for resurrected and I hope they add some kind of additional mode for endgame just to keep it fresh. If they don't, I'll enjoy it for a few months then go back when the league resets for PoE.
D2 has a whole diff system so many classes and builds are nice and to get the (end game gear) takes a long time even u have good gear u can maximized or changed it so u can play it longer without feeling bored like d3 just say it like u can play long time with many classes
I've played Diablo since the original release in the 90s and always thought of D2, specifically, as the best ARPG until POE where I played during the beta and on/off after release. I'm currently loving D2R and looking forward to D4, but I doubt ActiBlizzard will ever top D2 nor POE, especially. That doesn't mean I can't play and enjoy both franchises for what each brings. I believe you were right on the 💰.
Never really tried POE. Looks cool but the whole you got to research before you play the game seems like a turn off to me. I just want to play a game. I don't want to research something, then play the game and possibly find out I'm not that much of a fan of it. I don't know maybe I have the wrong approach.
nah man, no research needed unless, like he said, you want to min-max everything. I picked it up last year during the Delirium league, just casually as I had just gotten home witht he beginning of the pandemic and all... it was a breeze all the way, visuals are amazing, story and ambience top-notch, and the fight mechanics are quite elaborate but even the final bosses I died 2 or 3 times max. All I needed to do was tweak my build and playstyle a bit, was playing a rogue so I remember making better use of turrets and the fight was much more doable... still close though so it's a sign of good, balanced challenge. Just go at it and enjoy the environments, it's a gorgeous piece of art on top of solid gameplay.
Yeah. Even though it can be pretty complicate to really refine the character, it's got the strange accessibility that makes any kid to just jump in and start playing.
ive played a ton of d3 and poe, love them both. i like the diablo combat a lot more, setting up combos rather than just doing maps as fast as you can and one shotting everything in order to make currency efficiently. poe wins in basically every other aspect, but the combat is the most important part of an arpg to me. i stick around in poe leagues much longer than d3 but i enjoy my time playing d3 a bit more. they're very different games that i play for very different reasons
Yeah I agree the combat is a bit stronger in D3, especially since it doesn't because quite as much of a frenetic clusterfuck on higher level late game sections like PoE does (though it can still be pretty chaotic). If there was a game that fused the combat of D3 with the sheer depth and content and customization of PoE it would a god tier ARPG for sure.
@@luftim the very same statement could be made of POE so what is your point. casual player: spends maybe 2 hours a day and might just play the game without doing research on "how to play" a casual player in D3 after a few weeks can put together a build even just slap things together that they think looks cool, and will make progress. a casual player in PoE if not following a guide will most likely hit wall after wall of the set hurdles the game keeps throwing, and might not even have something functional after a few weeks.
@@gardian06_85 but then you have more things to look forward to, if its hard. If i dont get a thing i usualy just play it, and i just look up guids and it gets more interesting.. in diablo 3 you are done with the game in 1 day.. Litteraly day 1
@@luftim that 1 day for D3 is VERY exaggerated. to get to level 70 alone if doing optimally in a group takes about 1.5 to 2 hours (for your average casual player that is a full day right there) then you have gearing again in an optimized group probably like 2-3 hours (for your average casual player which is unlikely to be that optimized is 1-2 days. but if the player is just going through the game in an unoptimized fashion but still trying to minimize down time 4-5 days at 2 hours each, but that player will be making progress the entire time. many people gravitate so hard to times and play sessions of streamers that optimize the games to extremes that they don't realize the average person is likely to have at most 2 hours a day if that.
For me personally , the main thing that prevents me from playing any Diablo franchise or any arpg is that I kinda dislike fixed characters , I like the freedom that Poe gives . I mean you can play Marauder ( which is basically a melee character ) as a spell caster and it will work very well ! The second thing is the constant new content they give to us every 3 months and it's literally free.I think there's no companies that have this kind of constancy like GGG .
My opinion is just the opposite. If I pick a barb I expect to be playing melee and if I want to throw spells... well I'll pick a wizard, if not what was the point of picking a wizard! But agree with you that sone flexibility it's also good. There was some in D2 with a few hybrid builds that were funny to play. D3 did this bad with really strict classes and PoE did also wrong in the opposite way where the class doesn't really matter. Anyway just my opinion, and there are many different ones.
Diablo 2 is in my top 5 games of all time, and I'm really looking forward to playing Resurrection and Diablo 4. I completely respect what PoE does to serve its fanbase, but it just hasn't hooked me yet. I want to give it another try at some point.
@@laszloneumann500 grim dawn is amazing. People say it's the closest thing to d2 they have played. IMO, GD is in the middle of D3 and PoE, more depth than d3, but nothing like poe.
i have 850 hours in PoE, and i still dont understand half of the game mechanics yet.. i am not joking at all. In D3 i finished the game in 1 week and 1 day.
Yeah diablo 2 is still my personal favorite, the thing about path of exile is that it went too far for my taste with all the mechanics.. a huge amount of systems, interactions and gameplay loops.. more complexity doesnt necessarily make for a better game experience.
I can't stand free to play games. I'm an old Diablo veteran and my pick reflects this. I just like the way Diablo does things and anytime I have played AOE most of my time is spent wishing it was Diablo.
Chris Wilson stands up, "Poe's end game is maps? Yeah that's one part of endgame but I think you're forgetting a little something, Is Blight Heist Delve Breach Betrayal Metamorph Beastiary Alva Temples Atziri Shaper Elder Maven Uber versions a joke to you?" Way to simplify what options you have at end game other than that pretty good video though even though I'm sure I'm forgetting a few other options you have at end game LOL oh yeah I forgot Legions and prophecy Quest chain bosses oh yeah and Harvest did I get them all now I still feel like I'm forgetting something another one delirium
Just because something is tedious and convoluted doesn't mean it is better. The only problem with D3 is that there isn't enough of it and that its a bit too easy. Hopefully D4 will fix that.
Mostly right, you are wrong about the end games being similar. There is way more to POE's end game than just maps so Diablo's end game doesn't hold up against POE at all.
