Patio slab pointing with mortar (3 different methods!) 

Thankyou 😃. The Pointmaster is a great tool as long as the mix is good

Thank you I will take your advice on board

because the bag is only half full you can twist the end closed and a gentle squeeze will be all you need ok

@@laurencebarber4152 yea that sounds good advice

Glad it was helpful! 👍😀

No problem, to be honest even though I’ve been a builder for 15 years I’d never used a grout bag before last year! Yea you do have to be a bit more careful on the sandstone but once you are used to the grout bags they are nice and controllable. Thanks for watching too

They sell plastic point bags where you cut the bag yourself.This is what I use so on thin joints I can squeeze the tip to avoid getting it on the brick or stone.

No problem, thankyou for watching! 😃

Glad it helped you! A bit of a nightmare doing cement pointing this time of year getting it to go off. Methods 2 and 3 are great and quick just got to get that mix right

@@SamDaviesBuilder yea I bought sand and when I opened it up it was soaking wet and a lot of it was solid and frozen as well.. Luckily I was speaking to the elderly neighbour moaning about it and he said I've got a few bags in the garage you can have, so that was a handy save. I'm doing his patio and another neighbors next week so all good, I just hope the one I did last week still looks okay when I pop back there 😅

Ah yea I had sand the other day that was soaking, put no water in the mixer and still the mix was a bit wet! Let me know how the other patios go!

Thanks, Max. Appreciate you watching and the comment.

Hi Alex, I think getting the mix right is probably one of the hardest things to do. I probably should have included the tuck pointer method in this video. I’m glad you found a method that works for you too

Thankyou 😃🤞

Thankyou 😃😃

Thankyou 😃👍

Yea the mortar is great for stopping the weeds! Is mortar used commonly on patios in the USA?

Thanks, hope this video is useful for when you have a go

Glad it was helpful! Thankyou

Thankyou 😃🙏😊

Thank you very much! 😃

Thanks 😃

Thankyou! No I haven’t tried using lime as plasticiser, I always use a liquid plasticiser as it’s easy to make a good mix with it.

Yea I think I’ve seen similar as a toy!

Good tip, thankyou

Thanks. Yes the cameraman messed up a bit here with his sniffing!

Hi, I wouldn’t recommend that. That method seems to never set as hard as the method I show in these videos. Wet mix always sets firmer and if done right will last years

Thanks....future career maybe!

@@SamDaviesBuilder I was grouting the patio slabs today did the dry mix & the brush in .. worked out great a good sunny dry one too ... your vid helped a lot thanks

@@wittywoo9559 glad it helped and hope there’s some more sunny days so you can enjoy the patio!

Hi, thankyou, glad the video could help. I’d go for 4:1 with plasticiser for pointing

There’s a few more videos on my channel about laying slabs, hopefully they help you

Hi, thankyou. I have never laid any to park a car on so I can’t really give good advice. I have seen people park cars on these slabs with a full mortar bed but I can’t comment on the longevity of it. I would normally recommend block paving for parking a car on as they can take any movements where as a slab like this would just crack if it moved. Hope this helps a bit!

Hi, what gaps to you have between your porcelain? Anything less than 10mm won’t really be suitable for this

Thank you for letting me know. The largest gaps are at the walls which is over a one inch gap.@@SamDaviesBuilder

@@lovejoy9592 that gap would be fine, it’s just knowing what your smallest gaps are so I can advise the best way to go

No problem, thanks for the compliment. So for me I always use it wet rather than a dry mix to brush in as it never goes off as hard when brushed in dry. A good mix would be a nice creamy mix that the water doesn’t separate from - a good test for this is if you push the barrow across bumpy ground then water shouldn’t be coming out of the mix and sitting on the surface. It should be smooth if you trowel it and not break apart easily. It’s quite hard to describe but hope this helps. I do have a few videos about mixing on my channel. Any more questions feel free to ask away

@@SamDaviesBuilder magic, thank you. I’ll take a look and do a few test mixes. Appreciate the response 👍

@@dirtlushpressurewashingser114 no problem. Just remember use a good quality plasticiser and sand. Don’t add too much of the plasticiser (or too little 🤣) and give it a chance to mix

Thanks ☺️. Yea I’ve never seen a dry mix work well, always seems to come out.

I use the concentrated plasticiser, Sika is one of the brands that do it. How long are you leaving it mix? If there is any water rising to the top of your bucket/wheelbarrow out of the mix while you are using it then it’s not been mixed long enough. I have a few videos on how to make a good mix on my channel

Thanks. Well patio slabs need a fall to get rid of water but the base needs to be even

@@SamDaviesBuilder ok, Thanks

Hi, This mix would be 4:1 which would be 4 parts sand to 1 part cement with plasticiser. There is a couple of videos on my channel about how to mix mortar, they may help you :)

@@SamDaviesBuilder Thanks, yes I found that just after I posted this query, really helpful

@@davids9815 no problem, let me know how it goes!

@@SamDaviesBuilder I used the grout bag today, followed your 4:1 ratio plus plasticiser, and it worked a treat. Took me a while to get my technique right - I found tightly gripping the back of the bag with one hand then squeezing with the other hand closer to the nozzle worked best for me. Pleased to get that out of the way!

@@davids9815 glad it worked well for you! It is hard to get the technique of squeezing it out right as I found that out when I started using the grout bag. Now you can enjoy your patio!

I have done before but didn’t do it on this one. And thanks for the compliment 😃😃

Good tip!

You may be good at this method but most people doing this will just brush it in dry, not compact it properly and not get any moisture on it and then it will just crumble and come out in a short space of time. It is a very difficult method to get right!

You would only use polymeric sand on very narrow joints (1mm wide). On bigger joints, you have to use another product as the polymeric sand is too fine to hold itself together

EBay is probably the best place

Building sand

Yes, if you don’t you’ll just get weeds coming up without any pointing

@@SamDaviesBuilder thanks for the tip just subbed 👍

@@notme1345 thank you for subscribing!

Hi Tom, what’s the old school way?

Just find with the gun went p pump it into the joints it takes too long and put into bits of slate either side of the joint takes too long that's my opinion old way is 3 soft sand 1 sharp sand 1 cement always gauge it in bucket so you all way get the same colour put in mix little bit spr or UniBond mix up like it semi-dry so you can make like a fist ✊ in hand to test it be for you put mix in the joints with a gauging trowel make sure the slabs are absolutely dry or they will stain one you put in the joint are filling then run or Donna or finger trowel try like you striking the joint clean off the excess as you do about 10 square be some excess bit just brush it off with a soft broom come up really well 👍 used to do diamond point in as well same mix only little bit wet then put in joints then would use my little pointing trowel once I feel the joints and then strike each hedge with the little diamond pointing trowel come back next day gone off hard would clean snots excess with your trowel on the edges put a stiff broom over it come up really well 👍 another way off pointing is put in the joints with the same mix little bit wet to the top joints then sponge it off like tile grouting 👍 retired old stone mason got 40 years at experience 👍 hope this will help you but you never stop learning 👍

@@tomnapper101 I do like the diamond pointing. You know your stuff but with the semi dry method unless you really understand it like yourself it’s hard to do, I’ve seen so many people do it and it not go off like when a wet mix goes in or stain the slabs like mad. I’ve aimed this video more at the DIY’ers as for us builders it is a breeze doing pointing, there’s so many tricks and tips to learn on it and nothing beats experience like you have, all these skills are getting slowly lost!

If slabs are dry it doesn't stain . When you put the point in in Plus goes hard because it's got the spr in it or Una Bond in mix 👍 there's good point material to use is called gpm is in a powder got additive with it all knock it up with a paddle drill add water you got five different colours and it stays the same colour really good stuff you should try 👍

@@tomnapper101 cheers Tom will check that product out!

Thanks Jimmy I will check this out next time

@@SamDaviesBuilder no worries mate 🤙🏻

What makes you say that?

@@SamDaviesBuilder most of other vids I've seen about pointing flags say 4:1 dry mix

@@adilson3691 it never lasts when brushed in dry in my opinion

Im going to try your method in my back yard

@@adilson3691 great! Just make sure your mix is good and you’ll have no problems

It never lasts doing it that way sadly

@SamDaviesBuilder 3 years down mate..Still looks good as new...I compact it well though

@@davegill7614 if you know what you’re doing and how to compact then it is doable but you get people just brushing it in and leaving it

@SamDaviesBuilder yep fair point mate 👍

Thanks 😃. Yeah, I really wish I could’ve taken the sniffing out of it!

Takes longer than that to do resin properly I’m afraid

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That is another good method!

@@SamDaviesBuilder The only method.

@@fritzdrybeam I don’t think it’s the only method but it’s another method 😃

@@SamDaviesBuilder Yee ha!!

@@fritzdrybeam 🤠🤠🤠🤠

Never heard of ‘the boak’ but I’m guessing it’s a bad thing 🤣🤣🤣

Thanks for the feedback, what method would you suggest and is better than these methods? I am always looking to take on new ideas. Also, the first two methods are aimed at DIY people who may be attempting to fix a bit of pointing on their own patio. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SFq14FSsEEI.html this is the link to another patio pointing video.

Constructive feedback in a respectful manner is usually more helpful tp DIY'rs like me rather than half wit comments. Sounds like to me that you have 1 year's experience that is now 14 years old. 😝

I think these methods are sound thanks

Haha cowboys……yeh ha

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Hi, it all depends on how big the area is and if it's a new patio or work needs doing to take out old pointing so it is difficult to say how much it would cost. For the work I was doing in this video it would be a days labour plus materials - depending on your area will probably affect how much a day rate would be.

@@SamDaviesBuilder thanks for the feed back, it helps a lot. Continue with your good work it’s unfaultable. 👍🏻

@@mmamodfatheruk3094 thanks 😀😀