Above and beyond. Both of these actors died because they were heavy smokers. The look of guilt/sadness on Patrick's face represents how he made the connection how he died and also what happens if you let your addiction consume you that even in death your cravings can still haunt you. This was one of my favorite scenes because he uses the abilities he learns here to help him for the rest of the film.
This scene could have been so forgettable, but the writers and actors were able to make it incredibly special. The subway ghost had 5 minutes of screen time and showed anger, fear, care, happiness, and finally sadness. This is the true way of telling a story, making a character feel "alive"'.
VINCENT SCHIAVELLI! Character actor with 30+ years of acting credits. From FAST TIMES AT RIDGEMONT HIGH to BATMAN RETURNS to DEATH TO SMOOCHY, he's been all over the Hollywood landscape. Even had a medical condition that made his eyes bulge out and gave him the perfect look to play all sorts of seedy characters! Sadly, no longer with us. He's been dead for over a decade now.
No small parts, only small actors. Vincent Schiavelli took this character with only a few minutes of screen time and made him truly memorable. The script and direction are superb
The guy that killed Sam was the scariest character to me - (I was only about 8 years old when I saw this movie at the movie theater) - I don't know why my uncle would take a kid to see this, but he did and I am thankful - but I could not sleep for a couple of nights after watching this movie - I actually thought Wiley was going to come in my bedroom and cut my throat 🤷🏾♂️- and then those demons were going to take me away
@@christopherbrock8913 I agree. Though maybe your uncle didn't know how scary some scenes would get. Perhaps he thought it was just a sappy love story with a ghost. I remember taking my little brother to see Lord of the Rings when he was eight. I had no idea how frightening those orcs were in some of the scenes. Or how scary Shelob the spider would be. Still though, he loved it even though he was only eight.
In this movie Vincent Schiavelli proves to me that there are no small roles for an actor to play. Even with just 5 minutes of screen time he played a very important character that taught Sam Wheat everything of how to be a ghost and how to move objects. We also learn a lot about him. It’s sad to say that his character was a true lost soul.
It's like Oscar Wilde said, "there are not small roles, just small actors". You can appear for just 3 minutes and being unforgettable in a 3 hours movie
Did anyone else feel like the dialogue was very reminiscent of when Morpheus was teaching Neo? Subway guy: “you think you’re crouched on that floor? Bullshit” Morpheus:” you think that’s air you’re breathing?”
Yes I also noticed this. Also the scene where Neo visits the Oracle and meets the psychic spoon-bending kid. He asks him how he bends the spoon: The boy then says “Do not try and bend the spoon, that’s impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth… there is no spoon. Then you’ll see that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.” It's the mind that bends, not the spoon. Reminded me of something similar said by Uri Geller that I recall from reading his autobiography years back. He said something very similar.
The trainman is trapped in a world between the 2 states of being and can bridge the gap. It is the point where believing becomes reality. A place where imagination becomes real. Everything neo can do in the matrix he is eventually able to do in the real world. The trainman created the ability to make it reality. A form of transcendence.
Schizophrenia. Lots of street people have it and will never get their life back together unless they go for forced treatment to get on the right meds but it’s against human rights so we let them live and die on the streets.
@@__1201 I think him jumping at the very end tells the story of how when he felt adversity he went for it no questions asked. Maybe like he did in life.
I went my entire life thinking Ghost would be cheesy and dumb. At 37 I watched it and found I was so wrong. Ghost is a fantastic film, and the crazy subway guy was hilarious. The end is also super satisfying.
I'm a man with a debt.... so i feel really really Reaaally bad for Carl. EVEN after what he did. Money is sometimes quite the poison of live YET we can't really live without it.
Such a sad scene. You can tell the subway ghost had demons and killed himself by jumping into the tracks. It's the little details that show his insomnia and his deranged personality that led to his demise. But all he wanted was a friend, more than anything.
Yes,it was a sad scene. But i have always seen him as a victim of a murder,that he really has been pushed onto the tracks. Otherwise he wouldnt have haunted those underground trains. Like he said - it wasnt his time and place to be there. I see his paranoia as the reaction for being pushed onto those tracks but its interesting how others can see the same scene with another outlook😉
It's all in the Head lads, the Mind. That's what makes us think & that's what makes us believe what we want to. The doubts, beliefs, right & wrong, it's just the head making up stuff to keep us going. Maybe at one point his head thought well FK this we need not keep going with this anymore so let's make up some story to convince ourself & end precious.
@@joshuaparrott2458 I can see it that way also. But his outburst and completely not recognizing Patrick as the train was bustling through reminds me more of a suicide. And I wonder if a person is not well mentally and they kill themselves, if it qualifies as a sin, I’m talking deranged sickness that a person loses almost free will because of their mind. I’ve heard of cases. Does that qualify still as a sin.
Amazing how the entire scene is about presence of mind, awareness of state of being, which are the very things that schizophrenia and psychopathy robs of someone. Brilliantly written and acted.
And a time when movies didn't have to cost hundreds of millions and made huge profit ratio. Yeah some movies today make over $1 billion but they still cost $200 million or more to make making them earn 5 times there cost. Ghost cost $22.5 million to make and earned over $500 million, giving it a ratio profit of 23 times what it cost to make.
For the time the effects were great and still hold up well. Mostly because the story in this film is awesome. You get lost in it. Today we have all the CGI in the world to make...make believe come to life....however the stories are dumpster fires time and time again. I started watching Jurassic World Dominion on DVD. I was honestly excited about it despite critical reviews. However....I turned it off halfway through. It was trash. The original....30 years ago....was a damn fine film and one for the ages. The rest of the sequel films vary in quality....but the last 2 Jurassic World films were utter trash. We've lost the will and maybe the know how in telling good stories. With rare exceptions like the recent Dune movie.
@@sirsaint88 It's called wokeness. It has infected almost every aspect of society. There's more focused on checking diversity boxes than telling a good story.
That's because they had DVD sales as source of most of movie profits. Now they have to produce Next best CGI flick to grab people's attention while they scroll on their phones.b
You do realize that only the films that are fresh and original has survived history. You think there is nothing original today but there is, but also along with 90% of what is “unoriginal” right now. Take for instance films like Everything Everywhere All At Once, Hunt for the Wilderpeople, Tenet, Parasite, Lamb, NOPE, etc. You making this comment is unoriginal much like Disney of which you criticize.
@@lw8099 a lot of the movies you mentioned are Korean cinema or Foreign Indie films which always had a distinguished style to them I think he’s referring to American Cinema and Hollywood which was the Pillar of movie making during that time It no longer is what it used to be.
@@vincentvega1102 Licorice Pizza, Whiplash, Dune, Sicario, Blade Runner 2049, Spiderman Into the Spiderverse, Klaus, 12 years a slave, Moonlight, Lady Bird, Midnight in Paris, Drive. I have adjusted the list, now more American centric films. Now am I more in line with the answer?
The Subway ghost was murdered by random muggers who did it simply to steal his cigarettes. He was in the process of lighting up when they robbed him and pushed him onto the tracks. He's angry because of how senseless his murder was. He was robbed and murdered because of cigarettes.
Interesting theory! I always thought he was a mentally ill gentleman who may been pushed...but he may have honestly tripped and fell on the tracks. Due to his mental illness (paranoia) he has a hard time accepting that he tripped and insists he was murdered, which is why he gets so defensive when Sam questions him. In his living years, he probably got a lot of "Are you SURE that's what happened?" so it's natural he misread Sam as doing the same thing. Him longing for cigarettes is just him longing to do a thing he enjoyed while living.
He killed himself. The only reason he said someone "pushed" him is because he was still drowning in denial and shame for what he did. He says "it wasn't my time" because he absolutely regrets his decision. He still hasn't come to terms with it and wished he could take it back. Him jumping into the train was him reliving his death. Suicidal people always lie to themselves. I know, because I tried taking my life once. He wasn't murdered.
Movies used to be good, they had very little special effects, they made you feel things that stuck with you for hours even days afterwards, now its just a quick fix then on to the next.
The subway ghost, seems like he jumped on his own. But regretted it and is in denial and made up the idea someone else did it. A lot of San Francisco bridge jumpers, who jumped and survived on their way down. They said time felt like an eternity and on your way down you regret your decision to jump. After they survived they lived their life with content and happiness.
Nah, the words Who are you? Who sent you? Leave me alone! Is him getting caught in the memories of his last moment, before someone pushed him. It may even be implied that he had run afoul of a dangerous person either intentionally or unwittingly.
@@damontoledo8253 possibly his contribution to the character/script as it was communicated with such feeling( its too bad that he had lung CA- but it was something that gave him great satisfaction. (as he communicates great depression and paranoia from Sam- (a ghost invading his turf/ he did seem to have great satisfaction from being able to instruct another ghost how to move objects as he was happy when he was hit with the can- as he felt success- if he felt contempt he would ve retaliated)
That scene when the subway guy kicked the glass and cigarettes fell down, and him saying that he would give anything for a drag... _That_ is what Hell is: leaving this material world and not be cleansed from your passions and addictions while you were still alive, and not being able to 'fix' yourself with any of that because you have no body anymore...and that state of the spirit when your passions burn you is the real Hell.
Love Patrick!! Still after all these years i still feel horrible for everything that happened to him!! Was definitely one of my fav actors.. RIP Patrick!!
Isn’t this what a good movie does? It takes the characters, which are ghosts in someone’s mind, and makes them real for others who watch them - not with physical contact, but with fear, joy, anger and sadness. And then they move us
The sound design of when any ghost either phases through something or moves something is really cool! It has a Smokey, Electrical sound. Perfectly conveys that something non-physical is passing through something physical. The electrical part comes through more when something is actually moved, like its taking tons of mental energy to move something like that.
The guy is also like the angry subway guy in one of the Matrix sequels, I forget which. I thought the Wachowskis stole from William Gibson and Grant Morrison, but maybe they took from this movie as well
@@imcallingjapan2178 The Wachowskis stole a bunch of stuff for The Matrix. The red pill in Total Recall, the deceptive reality of Dark City, this scene here, John Woo films, etc. etc. etc. It's still a great movie but hardly original, but they put it together to make a classic so I can't complain too much.
@@drlight6677 IMO they took ideas more from Ghost In The Shell and the comics of Grant Morrison, The Invisibles especially. But apparently their creative process was outlined in depth in the Making Of video, so some of it was coincedental.
I always thought it would be interesting to see a spin-off of Vincent’s poltergeist. There’s definitely more story behind the character that would have made a good movie.
So some thoughts… His name is Vincent Schiavelli he was in golden eye, he was in Hey Arnold, Batman, Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Tons of video games Blade Runner and a Dune one as the emperor. I just watched this for first time in forever. The thing that struck me is in subway station part where he is teaching him how to “haunt” there are Keith Haring exhibit posters shown especially on stairway when he fell down and yelled “Stop laughing at me…” this was the retrospective exhibit after Haring’s death I believe. I am curious if the planned it or it was just an accident.
As a smoker I felt awful for the poor guy when he broke the cigarette machine and lost himself in his regret seeing all the unopened packs laying on the pavement of the platform. His character must've been in so much anguish in that moment.
He’s schizophrenic too and for some reason most schizophrenic people love smokes. It makes it double sad that he still is being affected mentally by his cravings and also by the mental illness but there’s nothing he can do about either since he’s dead and can’t smoke or take medication. His untreated mental illness is probably his unfinished business and why he can’t cross over so he will probably be stuck there forever. “Studies across 20 countries showed that people with schizophrenia were much more likely to smoke than those without this diagnosis. For example, in the United States, 90% or more of people with schizophrenia smoked, compared to 20% of the general population in 2006. It is well established that smoking is more prevalent among people with schizophrenia than the general population as well as those with other psychiatric diagnoses. There is currently no definitive explanation for this difference. Many social, psychological, and biological explanations have been proposed, but today research focuses on neurobiology.”
@@thisisgoodnews8043I'm also schizophrenic so I know exactly what you mean. We're very unpredictable and often find ourselves on edge feeling like we have no control over our own lives and are uncertain or indecisive to what we want and need in life. The carbon monoxide haze found in nicotine products stabilizes our emotional confusions and calms us to where we can make up our minds about these things. So yeah, you touched on some good points in your reply.
@@thisisgoodnews8043 schizophrenic are also very high strung. Someone so much as suggests we're "crazy" we get as belligerent and aggressive as Joe Pecsei in Goodfellas or Casino. Hence the reason that poltergeist got so aggressive near the end after teaching Sam before leaving.
"You think that's air your breathing now?" "Don't think you are, know you are" "I can only show you the door, you are the one that has to walk through it, free your mind..."
This is very true my friend died and he came back to say good bye i saw him to times when he died saying good bye to me and came back again and i saw him saying good bye to his family and friends i felt he was at peace.
many can think the subway ghost died either by suicide or someone really did push him I think everything he does as a ghost, he did in Life, looking through peoples jornals, just wandering the subway, his addiction, even getting so lost he jumped and killed himself he still lives the same life he did, but without resolve, he cant even feed his addiction nor go in peace
The only problem I have with this otherwise great scene, is that you can see the wheels of the screenplay grinding. First there is conflict (this is my train), then the guy becomes Yoda for a moment, complete with some exposition - and when he serves no more porpose, he gets angry again and jumps out of the screenplay. I would have liked some more conversation and the main character Swayze trying to help the guy.
The way they timed the rush of the train to symbolize his rising anger and emotions like you would normally do with backdrop sound effects and ambience is fucking peak
I remember this actor in a Star Trek the next generation episode when he played a character there too for a short time. Made that character unforgettable also.
It's such a sad scene because we know he is a good person that has lost his mind being in this limbo for too long. I wish that his character could be freed and sent to heaven at the end.
Despite only having just five minutes of screen time, Vincent Shiavelli played his role so well that I never forget about him. He played a true lost soul that can’t move on.
This whole movie could've been a dud for my generation but, the actors made a romance an actual good movie for everyone of all walks of life. This scene is great and I hope if end up like that I can move shit too lol
Vincent Schiavelli was amazing! I loved the sound of the subway timed to when subway ghost laughed at Sam. Vincent told an entire movie in just 5 minutes! So tortured yet so likable!
The great questions of movies. -How do the three seashells work? -What was in the pulp fiction brief case? -How is it the ghosts can pass through everything but the floor?
I would love have loved to find out the subway man's back story and what really happened. Maybe Sam found a newspaper article or something that gave more clues on what actually happened to him.
One thing that i noticed later on was when the Sunway ghost was walking backwards saying"you gotta take all your emotions love hate and push it way down to your pit of your stomach and let it explode like a reactor" the number 42 shows posted on the walls and pillars, which is "The ultimate question of Life, The universe and everything else" as said by Deep Thought on Hitchikers guide to the galaxy. Just something i noticed.
It really is that powerful. This guy died of Lung Cancer and Patrick Swayze died of Pancreatic Cancer attributed to his chain smoking. Both were 57 when they died.
Wow. I first saw it as a kid and saw many times throughout growing up into adulthood. So I got the chance to see it through different lenses. I thought this movie was kind of scary. As a kid I didnt want to walk in a shadowy area because I thought one of those black shadow creatures were waiting there. Now that I see it, im like damn this is a really good movie.
