I made a brushing remark on a you tube vid. My main point is It's not a German tank. My point was made. I was already corrected BTW from the avid WW2 enthusiast above, so the response from the peanut gallery doesn't count.
Yep, there's the second time you corrected me. So geeked out on WW2 trivia expertise you're going to be redundant and petty. You're wrong about the main idea, too. Missing the larger point I made says a lot about your ability to comprehend.
*_"You're wrong about the main idea, too."_* So, this is wrong? *_"that sherman tank made to look like a german tank is cringe worthy."_* To which I simply replied, _"It's not a Sherman tank. It's an M48 Patton tank."_ To which you got butthurt about being corrected and falsely stated: *_"My main point is It's not a German tank."_* Which is incorrect, as evidenced by your original post here: *_"that sherman tank made to look like a german tank"_* Which disproves your assertion that: *_"Missing the larger point I made says a lot about your ability to comprehend."_* Because, as evidenced by the content of both your original statement, *_"that sherman tank made to look like a german tank"_* and my correction to your original statement, _"It's not a Sherman tank. It's an M48 Patton tank."_ both being seamlessly related to each other, *I have absolutely no comprehension issues at all.* You, on the other hand, *_"My main point is It's not a German tank."_* failed to even pass along your intended observation in a comprehensible manner. Because this: *_"that sherman tank made to look like a german tank is cringe worthy."_* DOES NOT EQUAL THIS: *_"It's not a German tank."_* _DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW, OR ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE WITH YOUR COMPREHENSION AGAIN?_ Douchebag.
If the Germans weren't aware of Patton, that's just one more reason why they ultimately lost! That and attempting to invade Russia after signing a non-aggression pact.
Just one of the most brilliant moments in film history. He knows it's fucked up he feels this way but he can't help it. It's just a portrait of a guy aware of and reveling in the fact that he's fulfilling his life's purpose
You see the same thing when you watch "The Last Dance" the Michael Jordan documentary. MJ straight up admits that he's basically a little psychotic, but that's the only way he knows how to be, win at all costs, and he doesn't apologize for it.
The carts he was dreaming about from reading about Napoleon and now seeing the Germans actually using them is a revelation to him. He understands now why he saw the carts in his dream. And the way the script was written so that it reveals how vivid his dream of the carts was...."the nightmare in the snow, the endless agonizing retreat from Moscow. How cold it was. He took the wounded and what was left of the supplies and threw it in the carts. Napoleon was finished. Not any color left, not even the red of blood. Only snow." Patton felt all the pain and agony of the retreat (as if he was there), the cold and the snow as he describes it from reading about this battle from Napoleon. He recalls this vividly and the carts. This is a revelation to him as he recalls it and sees it so vividly. You can see he's almost in a trace as he explains it to his Captain. He believes he was there and there's a reason for that. It's not just coincidence. That's why he dreamed and envisioned it. That is why "He loves it so" and loves it more than his life. Fantastic powerful scene. George C. Scott is masterful.
I thought of the cart that was stuck on the bridge and he had to intervene so that his troops can passby and the other was the one that almost killed him after the war.
@@mr.c2581 like maybe the carts and the dreams haunted him and kept popping up in situations throughout his life. The carts to him were never a good sign.
I think about this scene a lot. The passion for what he loves. The feeling of knowing that you were meant and prepared and made for "this" and knowing more than anything that you are walking with destiny. It's the greatest feeling in the world. Even when you're miserable, you love it. Even when it hurts and you're tired and wet I love it. God help me I love it so.
Had he not been rescued by another solider in WW I, he would have never lived to see this day. And when veterans of WW I were camping out in Washington D.C. under Herbert Hoover, Patton volunteered to break them up. And he knew that the man who saved his life was among the veterans. He showed no consideration for the man who saved his life, but treated him with the same contempt he held for all of them. Patton was heartless.
@@mickberry164 Patton also had a lot of weird opinions but soldiers don’t have to be role models. He also shafted himself several times in his life because he was a stickler for rules. He’d be an Olympic gold medalist if it weren’t for his own principles
Sending Patton back into the field was Eisenhower's "I can't spare this man, he fights" moment. SHAEF knew it, the rest of the generals knew it. Everyone knew it. The only way to defeat the battle hardened SS and their superior equipment was strike like a sledgehammer and mitigate those advantages as soon as possible before they could be brought to bear. He orchestrated his own form of Blitzkrieg basically.
"Blitzkrieg" it was not. Despite a brilliant breakthrough in Lorraine, Patton bogged down in front of the Siegfried Line just like everyone else did. Patton's concept of operations was correctly aligned with the concepts of maneuver warfare, but he played a light hand in the execution of his plans. After having some conflicts with Gen. Truscott during the Sicily campaign, Patton no longer shoved his concept of operations down his subordinate's throats, and instead left them to operate within the specified operational outlines he set. By the time the Normandy invasion was in full swing, no one on the Allied side had any doubt as to the outcome of the war, and thus there was no reason to demand such sacrifice from their armies given their vast numerical and materiel superiority. If Patton had been in command of a German Army in 1940, he likely would have operated in a similar manner to the great practitioners of "Blitzkrieg", but by the time he was on the field, there was no longer any need to do so.
@@GeneralJackRipper IMO Patton's true strength was leadership in command. He shows no Napoleon or Rommel-like brilliance in parlaying a bad hand into victory or innovating new concepts. However, he had a visceral understanding of how to inspire men to perform in combat, and the ability to infuse that in large organizations. He shows this most clearly in his first 10 days of command in Africa. The relief of Bastogne was another famous example. Showboating was a part of it, but I suspect more could be said about his methods when interacting with subordinate leaders individually and in small groups. The older and more experienced I get, the more I appreciate the people skills of leaders like Patton, Washington, Grant, and Lee as a foundation of their success. Thanks for posting the Art Alpin videos, BTW. I have had fond memories of those videos since watching them for the first time as a cadet in the 80's.
War is horrible, to that there should be no doubt. Sadly, it has been both alluring and necessary for the human race. This scene captures that dichotomy perfectly. And Oh, by the way George C. Scott gives my favorite dramatic performance in cinema, it's maybe the best. I do love it so.
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst." War is the result of early human tribalism being outpaced by evolving social structure and technology. It is the result of the spread of humans across the planet and developing different cultures. It is also worth noting that war has resulted in the most dramatic technological advancement of each age. You have the Nazis firing rockets at London from Berlin to thank for the space program. Research and development of mustard gas led to the Fritz-Haber process; saving countless millions from famine with industrial fertilizers. Human ingenuity is forged in war.
As far as carts go, The German Army was never fully mechanized America's. A large part of their army used horse drawn wagon to haul supplies and field pieces. The Soviets would have never made it to Berlin as fast as they did if it wasn't for the half million US Dodge trucks we shipped them at great cost of lives and ships.
This was a great movie. I remember watching it mesmerized when I was a kid. My Dad never would talk about his service or wounds. But his Brother was in Patton's Army and he talked about it a lot. Very intriguing for young kids to hear
Yea it really bugged me at first because I'm a stickler for historical accuaracy. But then if you read about the production they couldn't find any German tanks because most were destroyed. So they had to use pattons. Kinda understandable
@@DevinAlden what else where they supposed to do in the days before CGI? M47s (and M24 Chaffees masquerading as Sherman's) were used extensively in 'The Battle of the Bulge' (1966). A wildly inaccurate but nonetheless interesting film
Patton in a future life: “I love the smell of napalm in the morning! That gasoline smell. It smells like … victory.” “You know, someday this war is gonna end …”
A lot of film studios that made World War 2 films in the 60s and 70s couldn't find real German tanks since the Pentagon head them so they had to do with what the US Army could give them
When you have a general like patton that is not a fear of the German army and there tactics and can always see what the patterns are from the enemy lines and pushing up with there play books and when he gets the word nuts he goes like every one goes to rescue mission and no matter what it takes
There weren't much in the way of working Panzers after WWII to use for this movie because something like Germany losing the war and most of their Panzer being destroyed or scrapped took place.
I always took this scene as a signal that Patton knew what was taking place was much larger than most could even comprehend. He was a warrior that could "see". When he felt like he was being fed bullshito by the brass, though he knew to pick his battles, he retaliated we he knew he could prove his point....and he struck hard. I believe General Patton was assassinated because of what he knew. I don't believe Eisenhower had him killed because he knew the SOB was right. Ike was in a bad situation because he couldn't turn Patton loose even though he knew he had to. The noble General Patton was seen as a threat to THEM. If he been given the chance to act on what he knew.....you thought MacArthur went batshito in Korea💊! He probably would have formed an alliance, once the cabal agents in both Germany and Russia had been beaten into submission, with the actual soldiers of these countries and carried on the spirit of Alexander The Great. Read about The Red Snake, The Gates of Alexander and the Wall of Gorgan💊. I bet you the General knew about these things!
It is a shame that in this great movie zero Shermans are used. In 1970 it was still possible to do that: Kelly's Heroes, also 1970, used Shermans from the Yugoslavian Army and mock Tiger1 (based on T34's). Nowadays it is maybe even "easier" to get enough correct (armoured) vehicles, Allied and even German for film
It's double sad because the Spanish army had some Pz IV and Stug III. They were sold to Syria in 1967, but the Spanish Army retained a functional example in the Goloso Tank Museum, which could had been used. Also, the Portuguese still had some Sherman, so they could have brought them for the film. Still, as you say, nowadays it's easier and people pay more attention. Back in the 70's, a tank was a tank.
Perhaps that specific reality. But reality itself is determined by God. We don't get multiple realities. As a man, Jesus had but ONE reality. He gave it all, for us.
@@michaelbee2165 Get back to me when religion speaks true and not before. Your version of God condemns trillions of good souls to a hell, and such a god as yours isn’t mine.
There are no World War 2 era tanks in this movie, they are all American models, post World War 2. Except for tanks in the newsreels that were spliced in all other tanks were, what else but M47 and M48 Patton tanks!!!
I think this if the scene of the aftermath where both sides' tanks ran out of gas as they met each other the night before and engaged in a point blank head-to-head tank battle..
@NO MA'AM PrefixTHX thats nonesense. Humans die. Humans fight. Humans hurt each other with or without war. At least in battle there is some glory to it. If you felt shame for doing your job then maybe war is just not your scene and maybe the combative arm of the army was not the right place for you to serve. But there will always be those willing to fight, and there will always be a need for them and so we had better embrace it all and admire the thinking, planning, technology, and valor that goes into rather then worrying over these foolish morale concepts. The concept that a human life is so infinitely valuable that the destruction of it, no matter then reason, is always unwarranted.
@@whispofwords2590 Defense of our family is FAR above the value of our own life. Trivializing the value of that human life is NOT why Jesus came to redeem us.
When Patton was a young officer he killed two Mexican officers with his pistol in a gunfight in a bar, he was a warrior all his life. You need people who enjoy war if you want to win it, you can have the peace loving hippies and the crybabies on the front. You want the guys who are joking and smiling and talking about how they get erections in the middle of gunfights from the adrenaline. It seems fucked up at first glance, but in war you need fucked up people to win in a fucked up situation.
'Like your name, Eloi. Is there any real evidence that he said that? I've read Farago's biography more than once, and I do not remember that statement. Remember Robert E Lee's statement ? "It is good that war is so terrible. We would grow too fond of it. "
The carts he was dreaming about from reading about Napoleon and now seeing the Germans actually using them is a revelation to him. And the way the script was written so that it reveals how vivid Patton's dream of the carts was...."the nightmare in the snow, the endless agonizing retreat from Moscow. How cold it was. He took the wounded and what was left of the supplies and threw it in the carts. Napoleon was finished. Not any color left, not even the red of blood. Only snow." Patton felt the agony of the retreat , the cold and the snow as he describes it from reading about this battle from Napoleon . He recalls this vividly and the carts. This is a revelation to him as he recalls it and sees it so vividly. That's why "He loves it so" and loves it more than his life.
Combined with the fact it was very difficult to find proper vehicles to be used for the movie's shooting, I think they intentionally made the puns of putting Patton tanks in both German and Allies, in a movie about Patton. See? :v
You know, the pictures of the battlefield are interesting but it’s totally Hollywood because you don’t see the body parts in the blood all over from when these vehicles were blown up. I’ve never been in a war, I can’t imagine it, but I feel sorry for those who have. God bless our soldiers, keeping us safe
Those are modernized Spanish M47E2 Patton tanks with a Rheinmetall RH-105 105mm gun. Were taken off the registry in 1993, but the bridge launcher version, that's still in service.
It's more of a symbolic representation of his advance through France into the Lorraine region. The Germans threw everything they had at him to stop him penetrating the Siegfried line before winter.
In this dialogue Patton recognizes the defeat of Napoleon by the russians. In that sense he always despised soviets for snatching greater victories over the germans than the entire US Army deployed in Europe. After all he being a true warrior like he thought of himself, he only had other western commanders to compare. All of them over cautious. And thats the general feeling in the entire movie. Patton making a bigger splash than anybody. Because the soviets were doing so every week. Thats why he had to take Palermo without orders. Assault Brolo at a huge cost. Make that 100 mile plus march over Bastogne. And felt cheated out of his chance for glory when ordered to leave Berlin to the soviets. But to some all these side events in the movie are not relevant. Think again.
@@GeneralJackRipper indeed, I haven’t seen a lot of movies in general and hardly any made before the year 2000 Was it common to use more readily available vehicles in films in place of their historical counterparts?
@@randbarrett8706 Sorry I missed your comment. Yes, it was extremely common to use whatever vehicles were available rather than historically accurate examples. It's a modern day phenomenon we see this push towards rescuing and restoring old vehicles.
@@michaelbee2165 Saving Private Ryan is probably the first war movie most people have ever seen nowadays. And the Tigers in that movie were actually chopped up T-34's. BUT! They did manage a real Sherman or two.
The movie as a whole is a hokey joke. No mention of Patton's loathing for jews in the entirety of the flick. No mention of anything that might make talmudists feel uncomfortable. This particular scene is good.
Okay genius, feel free to write your own Patton movie. Then go cry in your cereal when everyone says it's cringe-worthy nonsense. This is one of the best war films of all time. F*ck off.
"It makes no difference what men think of war," said the judge. "War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner." - Cormac McCarthy
GUYS DID YOU KNOW IT'S NOT A REAL GERMAN TANK! BECAUSE IT'S NOT A REAL GERMAN TANK. I FEEL LIKE SOMEONE SHOULD MENTION IT'S NOT A REAL GERMAN TANK! BECAUSE IT'S NOT. OH HOW COULD SOMEONE NOT ALREADY HAVE MENTIONED THAT IT'S NOT A REAL GERMAN TANK! IT IS SO OBVIOUS THAT IT'S NOT A REAL GERMAN TANK! AND WE SHOULD MENTION THAT THE GERMAN TANKS IN THIS MOVIE AREN'T REAL GERMAN TANKS, UNDER EVERY VIDEO OF THIS MOVIE INVOLVING THE FAKE GERMAN TANKS! BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REAL! THEY'RE NOT REAL GERMAN TANKS! THEY'RE FAKE!
Thank you for trivializing the deaths of thousands upon thousands of American and Allied war deaths and their graves, both in Europe and here at home and throughout our history. For if these "ARE NOT REAL GERMAN TANKS" then the sacrifice and the honor with which these men died is CLEARLY nothing more than a myth. 🙄. Despite your efforts to the contrary, those men were mortally and savagely wounded and torn apart for your right to vomit such a horrific thing. To do so over such a trivial point misses the entire matter here. It could only take such a shallow, and lacking in courage monster as yourself to evade the grasp of the horror portrayed. There are many like yourself, today, who seek to diminish the valor of those who sacrificed all. Btw, that includes the average Joe Wermacht who was drafted into the hell of Normandy or the Eastern front. But we reserve that honor for our American and Allied dead who gave all. It is written into our American consciousness and will NEVER be removed. One day, your grave will be pissed upon by cattle and goats. Human beings will not be permitted to do so because it would be a senseless tossing away of perfectly good human waste.
If all of a sudden, at that very moment, Patton had to face 400,000 German troops recently transported from Norway, along with 100,000 from both the Balkans & Italy, another 20,000 from both Denmark & Czechoslovakia, including another 400,000 either transferred from or meant for the Eastern Front, then those extra 900,000 or so German Soldiers/tank divisions, supplied with sufficient gasoline (all with the intent of capturing that which belonged to the Americans as well), would no doubt smash right through the weak spots in the American lines, wreak widespread havoc, inflict tremendous damage & destruction, destroy thousands of Sherman tanks, seriously wound/kill/capture at least 100,000 of Patton's men, pulverize & shatter the morale of the US troops, & then push the rest of the 3rd Army back at least 50 miles, if not more, all while drawing at least 10-15 divisions away from General Hodges Army, THUS placing the entire 12th Army Group on the Defensive (by that point quite outnumbered). Hypothetically speaking! Yet how would Patton contend with such an unexpected, shocking & devastating scenario??
@@GeneralJackRipper Far fetched & highly improbable, YES, yet still a scenario (or this close enough one, viability wise, thereof) that, with the right planning, secrecy, intelligence, speed, overall unit to unit coordination & sufficient logistics on the part of the Germans, could have transpired ((merely hypothetical, & based upon what I know of all the availability of remaining German units during that period of The War!))😀😀😊😊👊👊
